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My Xmas Pressie.............
« on: January 04, 2016, 11:10:44 am »

Iv'e knocked this up in the last week, actually it took a day to assemble the frames, 40 minutes for the laser to actually cut them out and 50 something hours lofting the frames from a plan into Coreldraw - finding out the lines plan wasn't as accurate as it looked! A couple of sooty photos, because I couldn't wait for laser plywood to arrive so used ordinary, the soot is from the glue burning, this doesn't happen with the correct laserable plywood (well not a lot)


I'm already in love with this way of building, gone are the days of wonky doors and window frame openings, corners that don't meet etc etc because of a craft knife that can't follow the ruler like your shaky hand wants it to!

Then a video of the laser cutting out paper frames for this demonstration. Yep, the lid is up and there is a lot of smoke as it is pointless having the fume extractor running if the lid isn't closed. Yes I'm a great believer in personal safety and practice p.p.e at all times %) The video is 3 minutes duration but shows how my laser works.


https://youtu.be/WfOjScSavKs

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Re: My Xmas Pressie..................
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2016, 12:06:51 pm »

That looks a very impressive machine, could think of many jobs for that.  :-)


I always find it surprising the way they cut. You kind of expect it to start at one point and just go around the path to finish where it starts but I guess it does it in bits so the work piece doesn't move?
I have a knife type cutter for paper and card and that does the same thing, cuts random bits of the path and finally they end up joined together.


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Re: My Xmas Pressie..................
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2016, 12:56:18 pm »

Impressive bit of kit. wouldn't mind one myself. what wattage laser do you  have in there ?
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Re: My Xmas Pressie..................
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2016, 12:59:29 pm »

Hi Craig,

The path laser travels is dependent on the settings used. in this instance I had left the laser set to 'follow drawing' so in essence it follows the lines the plan was drawn in or which line was edited or added first to last. You can set 6 different cut methods, but as you say, cutting anything other than wood, this is the best as no single area gets zapped for too long and overheats/warps out of shape.

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2016, 01:01:44 pm »

This is a 40w laser, they can be had relatively cheap on Ebay (if you don't mind some hassle) next up would be a 60w at twice the price then an 80watt at 5 times the price.

40watts will cut 5/6mm ply in one pass and can cut thicker material with multiple passes but then the edge begins to degrade. I'm happy with 5mm ply and the ability to cut plasticard as well. Covers all my modelling needs.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2016, 08:31:50 pm »

Did you add the little fanfare after printing the text? That was cute:O)

I am interested in the whole idea.i
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 07:16:29 am »

Did you add the little fanfare after printing the text? That was cute:O)

I am interested in the whole idea.i

Nope Ian, that is the Chinese software- cheesy huh?

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2016, 10:13:27 am »


Hi Brian,  I watched in fascination as the work unfolded.

I suppose the preparation drawings are the hardest part.  ok2    How are these directed to the cutter please.

Cheers

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 11:35:56 am »

"No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die..."  %)


Awesome. I think I need one.


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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 11:53:35 am »

Nope Ian, that is the Chinese software- cheesy huh?

That sounds just like the Windows 95 shutdown sound. Good old days.....  :}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JQF-c3ROSA

I'm trying to convince the boss that one here in the office at work would be really useful....  :-))

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 01:06:13 pm »

That is an impressive machine and certainly doesn't  waste material, and a god send for cutting windows out of a styrene wheelhouse, :-))
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Re: My Xmas Pressie..................
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 01:09:19 pm »

 :embarrassed: Just out of interest what was the make and model of the cutter?.....Ray. :embarrassed:
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2016, 02:13:28 pm »

I should have MADE room for mine rather than selling it on
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Re: My Xmas Pressie..................
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2016, 02:37:05 pm »

Hi Brian,  I watched in fascination as the work unfolded.

I suppose the preparation drawings are the hardest part.  ok2    How are these directed to the cutter please.

Cheers

ken

Yes Ken prepearation is the hardest, as I said over a weeks work getting the frames drawn into Coreldraw. With this laser, you need to connect the cutter to your computer via a usb cable and there is also a pendrive that plugs in to the computer that contains the interface. Without the pen drive the laser won't cut. There are other more expensive types that you can just put your drawings on to a pen drive and plug that straight in to the laser, or even more expensive, connect via wifi.

:embarrassed: Just out of interest what was the make and model of the cutter?.....Ray. :embarrassed:

It's basically a generic cutter Ray. That is there are at the moment I think six chinese companies selling these on Ebay, they all look the same except one has a digital readout for amps rather than an analogue gauge (the gauge is better and quicker to adjust laser amps) The big thing to watch for is the sofware/hardware configuration. Some of them (mine) comes boxed with Coreldraw, Laserdraw as the interface and a hardware board on the laser to interpret that. Some come with Moshidraw as the software and a hardware board by Moshidraw as well.

The Laser forums basically tell everyone thinking of investing in a unit to avoid any unit fitted with Moshidraw. The software is useless and the board is even worse.

There are pitfalls to avoid when thinking of buying, the best thing to do is make sure you do your homework on what you want and ask questions if unsure!

I should have MADE room for mine rather than selling it on
   They cut vinyl as well mate! Along with leather, paper, acrylic sheet and block, plasticard, most things really except metal. You can also engrave with them on glass, slate, wood again most things. The world is your oyster for setting up specialised small business work if you are so inclined.

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 03:39:00 pm »

Does your laser have a compressed air assist?   On the big machine we have here there's a small air line attached to the cutter head which blows down onto the cutting point.  This cools the material and help disperse the smoke which can get on the lens and mirrors before it's extracted.  I don't think it would be difficult to rig on your machine as long as there enough slack in the airline.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 06:27:16 pm »

That is one awesome piece of kit. I've never seen one in action before and it looks so precise!

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2016, 07:39:48 pm »

Does your laser have a compressed air assist?   On the big machine we have here there's a small air line attached to the cutter head which blows down onto the cutting point.  This cools the material and help disperse the smoke which can get on the lens and mirrors before it's extracted.  I don't think it would be difficult to rig on your machine as long as there enough slack in the airline.

It's available as an add on from a different company, I have one on order but its coming from the USA, it replaces the entire lens head and is quite a neat addition. You can use a number of air supplies, air pump for fish tank seems to be popular, but I'll be using my airbrush compressor for now, I don;t really want to rig up an airline through the window from my large garage compressor.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 07:42:14 pm »

fascinating this ,what a time saver ,clever stuff .whats the price on them ..
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2016, 09:32:09 pm »

Nope Ian, that is the Chinese software- cheesy huh?

Like a good ripe stilton!!!!

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 09:40:04 am »

fascinating this ,what a time saver ,clever stuff .whats the price on them ..

Check ebay for K40 laser, there are dozens of them,  all supplied from 3/4 dealers, BUT all come from the same warehouse in the UK, yet they claim not to be connected in any way. I think you'll find that they are all fronts for one main company based in China. Who cares? If they are paying the import duty and you get the same consumer rights as everything else in the UK, no problem!

Well there is, sort of.

If anything is broken or needs replacing its the Devils own job to communicate. You get the same standard 'Hello Friend' email as a reply with a few words changed each time. If anyone does buy one and there is a problem, involve ebay/paypal immediately and let the company know that you will accept nothing less than a full replacement or a refund and they are to pick up the laser at their cost.

They will do both of these but need pushing to do so, they would much rather offer you cash off the item as a refund. In my case I was able to repair the transit damage from poor packaging, but I did wangle a 100€ refund :-)) but if I hadn't been able to repair it, the damaged part would have cost 160€ to source from elsewhere.

You have to be very savvy.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 12:15:05 pm »

Brian I've never used coreldraw how does it work?  Do you literally measure each frame on the plan and then re-draw it using coreldraw to create an electronic version or do you trace your plan using some kind of pen which is linked to the software?  I hope this makes sense!

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 06:52:13 pm »

Mark, Coreldraw is a standalone software, rather like Microsoft Office or indeed, Adobe Photoshop, In fact it is very much like photoshop, if you have that it doesn't take much learning. Its basically an art/technical drawing software.

The way I used it for this piece was rather simple really - once I worked out how to do it. You need your ship plan on the computer, either scanned in or downloaded from another site. Then you import the plan into Coreldraw, open a second layer over it (think carbon paper and carbon copy!) Then trace the lines using the tools in Coreldraw. The tools allow you to draw straight lines, curves, circles etc and size them exactly as you require.

Once you have your line for frame, wall, bulkhead or whatever drawn you can 'hide' this layer, open a third layer and begin again on your next set of lines until you have them all traced - simples.

Coreldraw as a standalone piece of software can be had from computer outlets like PCWorld Check youtube for videos on how people use Coreldraw and tutorials. It took me about 2 days to get the hang of the tools on it that I needed to do what I wanted, but there are always more and more hidden away to learn.

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 08:19:04 pm »

Mark, Coreldraw is a standalone software, rather like Microsoft Office or indeed, Adobe Photoshop, In fact it is very much like photoshop, if you have that it doesn't take much learning. Its basically an art/technical drawing software.

The way I used it for this piece was rather simple really - once I worked out how to do it. You need your ship plan on the computer, either scanned in or downloaded from another site. Then you import the plan into Coreldraw, open a second layer over it (think carbon paper and carbon copy!) Then trace the lines using the tools in Coreldraw. The tools allow you to draw straight lines, curves, circles etc and size them exactly as you require.

Once you have your line for frame, wall, bulkhead or whatever drawn you can 'hide' this layer, open a third layer and begin again on your next set of lines until you have them all traced - simples.




Coreldraw as a standalone piece of software can be had from computer outlets like PCWorld Check youtube for videos on how people use Coreldraw and tutorials. It took me about 2 days to get the hang of the tools on it that I needed to do what I wanted, but there are always more and more hidden away to learn.


One of these could be useful when doing the carbon copy thing:-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H610-Pro-10-x6-25-USB-Art-Graphics-Huion-Drawing-Tablet-Pad-Cordless-Pen-Hotkey-/151696730614


My son has one and its a very good bit of kit. Obviously not as good as a Wacom, but still very good for amateur use
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2016, 09:42:59 pm »

Well, I couldn't resist!

Have this sitting on my living room rug now waiting for a trip to the workshop but good to have it in the house to get used to the software and controls.



I got this from a UK supplier on ebay. Supplied with Coreldraw and CorellLaser software as well as LaserDRW software. It was delivered in a few days and unbelievably cost me £330 all in. Strange that they all seem to have gone from ebay now when I look again?

All seems to be intact and undamaged and I have been playing tonight but not actually turned the laser on yet, just getting used to the software and bits but it all seems to traverse and do what it should. Took a while to get Coreldraw to work with it until I realised there was an option in the software for 8 different laser cutter machines and the default was the wrong one. Now all working as it should. I have access to a professional CAD system in my day to day job so will be doing my designs in that and just importing the DXF files into CorelDraw in order to cut them out.

One thing I was going to ask though Brian is what do you put under the piece of material you are cutting? There is a big hole under the metal frame work in mine so if you cut through the piece could drop in the gap and dislodge the sheet so do you put a thicker bit of ply underneath and cut into it? I have seen honeycomb material bases on larger machines.

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2016, 10:16:43 pm »


Brian "Persuades" another Mayhemmer that a laser is an acceptable tool for the scratchbuilders workshop


Sorry Brian couldn't resist  ;D
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