Topic: Windows 10 ! (Read 64278 times)

imsinking · « **Reply #100 on:** July 21, 2016, 11:33:51 am »

Quote from: kinmel on July 21, 2016, 11:19:26 am

That is why you never start a new O.S. install until you have taken a image of the drive's existing installation. Windows 7 has the necessary software pre-installed.

Then when it goes wrong, you simply restore from the image and everything is exactly as it was before.

NEVER my intention to do Win 10 , I'd been blocking it for weeks, they changed the 'reject' alternative to 'go ahead ' and instal . . without telling anybody.
For all you pro 10er's what are you going to do if you need to do a fresh instal or repair ? NO DISK . . .
I'd gone out back to make a brew & a 'jimmy' when I came back it was installing Win 10

never had a chance to do anything, was wrong footed . . . .
Bill

kinmel · « **Reply #101 on:** July 21, 2016, 11:59:36 am »

Quote from: imsinking on July 21, 2016, 11:33:51 am

what are you going to do if you need to do a fresh instal or repair ? NO DISK . . .

Use the Media Creation Tool to make a bootable Win 10 installer as an ISO, or on DVD, or USB stick

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

imsinking · « **Reply #102 on:** July 21, 2016, 12:51:39 pm »

Quote from: kinmel on July 21, 2016, 11:59:36 am

Use the Media Creation Tool to make a bootable Win 10 installer as an ISO, or on DVD, or USB stick

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

All you HAPPY 10'ers make a note !
Bill

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #103 on:** July 21, 2016, 01:26:20 pm »

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It doesn't matter Martin , the fact that it's been 'IMPOSED' on everybody is surely the issue ?[/size]It cost me £200 to recover my computer from the mess Win 10 left , lost two years data (you cant 'uninstal' the backup win 7 files 45 GIG of them >:-(" title="Tickoff" class="smiley" style="vertical-align: bottom; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-small; line-height: 14px;"> without the microsoft installer & they make sure you can't get that so it's a drive format .I was willing to give Win 10 a trial & wind back if I wasn't happy , never got that far. . . all my passwords were scrambled, I couldn't access the comp'. . . PERIOD (the next day) even with a bootable CD. I was tight on drive space & couldn't leave it there . . .Bill I'm GETTING MAD AGAIN . . . .[/size][/font]

Quote from: imsinking on July 21, 2016, 11:33:51 am

NEVER my intention to do Win 10 , I'd been blocking it for weeks, they changed the 'reject' alternative to 'go ahead ' and instal . . without telling anybody.
For all you pro 10er's what are you going to do if you need to do a fresh instal or repair ? NO DISK . . .
I'd gone out back to make a brew & a 'jimmy' when I came back it was installing Win 10
never had a chance to do anything, was wrong footed . . . .
Bill

This is why, for the last several years, I have advocated using PCs sensibly - the top basic requirement is using one of the many system cloning softwares to make a reloadable copy of the system disc ON ANOTHER HARD DRIVE. That way, no matter what, there is always a way back to the day that the copy was made. This works for many eventualities including most irretrievable virus problems, a dead hard drive and having the wrong OS.
Reinstallation on my systems has taken about a half hour (after fitting the new drive or whatever), afterwards the system, settings, and programs are all as they were. Obviously any recent data stored on the c: drive is lost, but important data should never be stored there. Ever. No matter what the software vendors think by putting all of their defaults on there.
If items of any data do not have any physically separate back up copies, then the brutal truth is that they were not really wanted, no matter what the immediate feeling might be just after their loss. There was an old saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket".

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #104 on:** July 21, 2016, 11:53:58 pm »

Martin, my hardware is a 3 year old Sony Vaio laptop with a CORE i7 chip at 2.20 Ghz, 4 GB RAM and a 64 bit OS. According to Microsoft it's capable of supporting W10, but they would say that wouldn't they?

Peter.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #105 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:14:52 am »

My main HP PC had some initial problems with W10 but it does seem to have settled down now. My older Toshiba laptop appears to be perfectly happy with it at the moment and is working better than with W7.

Microsoft are continually moving closer to a rental model where you don't buy the operating system you simply have it on a licence which allows them to do whatever they like with it. (and to you)

Colin

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #106 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:17:32 am »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on July 22, 2016, 12:14:52 am

Microsoft are continually moving closer to a rental model where you don't buy the operating system you simply have it on a licence which allows them to do whatever they like with it. (and to you)

Colin

That sounds scary!

Peter.

Kipper · « **Reply #107 on:** July 22, 2016, 12:52:13 am »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on July 22, 2016, 12:14:52 am

Microsoft are continually moving closer to a rental model where you don't buy the operating system you simply have it on a licence

Colin

That is already the case, when you purchase a Windows OS disc (I have a Win.7 disc), you are not purchasing the op system, you are only buying the 'license' to use it. If you have bought a Windows O.S. disc, check the small print that came with it.

derekwarner · « **Reply #108 on:** July 22, 2016, 02:43:07 am »

This is quite true Kipper with the Microsoft OS disk.......however you have purchased a licence to use the system for the life of your computer

In January 2015, for my secretary role, I purchased Microsoft Publisher retail disk, installed it on my main machine ....all OK..........tried to install it on my upstairs Ultrabook & the message was

........I had exceeded concurrent installations

A little swift talking

to a MS Representative somewhere in the Sub Continent ....I was required to let her log on to my main machine to check the validity of the Publisher install....she then kindly gave me a code to install Publisher on my upstairs Ultrabook

The fine print is 1 Disk for 1 software program = installation is available for 1 computer only & for the life of the machine

I am sure that Colin is talking about purchasing typically an MS Cloud hosted Office 365 suite of applications, however the purchase is for subscription for 1 year only.............

In Australia in say 2000, a licenced copy of MS Office Pro was approx. $480.00, in 2005 I needed a licenced copy of MS Access 2003 as Access in Office 2005 was not totally backwards compatible with 2003

I understand the QuickBooks suite of accounting software is now by 1 yearly subscription only......

Thank goodness I have retired..................Derek

tigertiger · « **Reply #109 on:** July 22, 2016, 03:30:06 am »

This may have been mentioned somewhere above.

I have just noticed
On my messages to update now, it says that for Win7, you notes Win7 SP1.
If your Win7 does not have Service Pack 1, then that is why some of you may be having problems converting. I think that there are also hardware requirements that might affect older machines.

derekwarner · « **Reply #110 on:** July 22, 2016, 03:54:08 am »

Morning TT.............

When Win7 was upgraded to Win7 SP1....machines post the revision/upgrade were shipped as Win7 SP1

The only way users of Win7 did not automatically receive the SPI upgrade/download would have been if they chose to BAR all recommended MS upgrades

There is a setting in the Win7 OS, where you can choose to view all MS upgrades prior to installation .....you will see they come as distinctly in 2 options

1 = recommended
2 = optional

Derek

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #111 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:55:03 am »

When I "did" my Vista machine it involved getting a download and license for Win 7. After this was loaded, it spent a lot of time doing updates, including, eventually, SP1. Shortly after that it wanted to do the W10 update (as was the original intention). The only problem encountered was the wifi adaptor - it couldn't update over wifi so I used a temporary network cable. After the update, and running Driver Booster, the entire thing has become boring - it just sits there and works.
Unless somebody else is paying for it or there is a need for some obscure corner of the overly bloated package, I cant see the need for a private individual to use MS Office when Libre Office is free and does the exact same job. Often better if you look at the mess that MS Office often makes of page formatting.
I do like my elderly Publisher 2002 because by now I am getting used to it. Replacing it would be painful.
I have avoided all of the cloud based options because I have the deep belief that anybody, or more particularly any business, that relies implicitly on the cloud deserves all the trouble that they will experience when their connection doesn't work. Look up "BT down" for the last couple of days.

essex2visuvesi · « **Reply #112 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:11:47 am »

this is a much faster way to get updates if you have multiple Windows machines in a household

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

set it up on a large capacity USB stick or external hard drive
You then run the application which then downloads ALL the updates for the chosen OS (Win XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 & 10 are all supported as well as most versions of MS orofice)

you then connect it to the required PC and run the update program, select you updates and away you go
Quite often it is much faster than running them directly through Windows update.

derekwarner · « **Reply #113 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:35:36 am »

Well Malcolm........individuals sometimes need to use proprietary software and in multiple locations....the distance is immaterial

MS Access files in V2003 were saved with an .mdb extension.......V2005 files were also saved as .mdb extensions, however V2005 was not 100% backwards compatible with V2003.....we found this when incorporating SAP R3 software & superimposing over SAP R2 operating systems

I do assure that Libre Office does not read MS Access .mdb files and have the facility to perform design revision or query reporting.............

Robustness of software is the critical issue & that is why a number of World Military systems still use & depend on Microsoft XP operating systems

Microsoft does not support the XP operating system for every day customers, but sure does for Uncle Sam..............Derek

U-33 · « **Reply #114 on:** July 22, 2016, 06:09:09 pm »

Where's that Martin? I want a word with you, Martin...

I took your advice and installed W10 yesterday (second time...) from then on in, it all went downhill rapidly. Four attempts to boot my laptop up, when it eventually did fire up it was so slow...time to put a brew on whilst waiting for Mayhem to open up. Screen was ever so dark, really needed a torch to read anything...and did I mention it was slow in operation?

Half the programmes were having hissy fits and not playing properly...I lost my favourite game of chess...and did I mention how slow it was?

Just gone back to W8.1...I'd prefer W7, but you can't have everything.

DavieTait · « **Reply #115 on:** July 22, 2016, 06:09:49 pm »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36854909

Looks like Microsoft could be in a lot of trouble on the continent due to the excessive amount of YOUR data they are taking off your PC's

U-33 · « **Reply #116 on:** July 22, 2016, 06:10:46 pm »

mutter mutter...

imsinking · « **Reply #117 on:** July 22, 2016, 09:08:43 pm »

Every sympathy Rich . . .
We should get some T Shirts printed . . . .
" HAVE YOU BEEN SCREWED BY MICROSOFT LATELY ."
& on the back . . . .
"YOU'VE JUST JOINED THE CLUB."
over half the Win 10 "upgrades" will be successful , what about the rest of us ?
In American parlance. . . we can just SWIVEL ON IT ?
Bill

(where's me pills . . . )

kinmel · « **Reply #118 on:** July 22, 2016, 10:22:47 pm »

Amongst experts El Reg has a fairly high reputation, here is their take upon a Windows 10 upgrade, warts and all....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/22/time_is_running_out_for_free_windows_10_upgrade_should_you_do_it/

tigertiger · « **Reply #119 on:** July 23, 2016, 08:34:12 am »

A good article.
Thanks for posting.

RAAArtyGunner · « **Reply #120 on:** July 23, 2016, 08:56:08 am »

The only thing wrong with the "experts" is the fact that in the main they are Microsoft certified (as is my Guru) and it is in their interest's that we all switch/stay with Microsoft. Simply because it keeps them in a job, they are experts capable to handle MS issues.

Much like your new car dealership and specialised tools.

However there are some experts who are prepared to tell it as it is.

Bottom line, most existing computers cannot handle WIN10 and if you are running WIN7 stick with it. At the end of the WIN7 support time, you will need a new PC and it will come with WIN10.

By then, WIN10 will have been fully developed etc etc.

Another criteria is the slow take up of WIN10. Forget the exact figure, but MS estimated they would have X million WIN10 users by the end of the free update. Current take up is nowhere near their target.

Yes, I am staying with WIN7 Pro.

My other PC is still running XP Pro.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #121 on:** July 23, 2016, 10:44:29 am »

I don't think it is correct to say that most existing computers cannot handle W10, I suspect that the majority do so but obviously those people who experience problems will understandably complain about it. Of course Microsoft have behaved badly by forcing the upgrade in the way they have.

Colin

essex2visuvesi · « **Reply #122 on:** July 23, 2016, 10:59:37 am »

Something from my old Pub days:-
A happy customer tells no-one, an unhappy customer tells 10

imsinking · « **Reply #123 on:** July 23, 2016, 11:20:23 am »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on July 23, 2016, 10:44:29 am

I don't think it is correct to say that most existing computers cannot handle W10, I suspect that the majority do so but obviously those people who experience problems will understandably complain about it. Of course Microsoft have behaved badly by forcing the upgrade in the way they have.

Colin

Quite right in everything your saying , I build my own computers , the latest Motherboards /CPU's are well capable of Win 10 . . . BUT if your using older MOBO's / hardware / software, it may clash / crash somewhere & every computer WILL be different in it's setup , possible conflict there too . . .
Strong rumours that there's a lot of Commercial users that have took a hiding with this 'upgrade' let's hope they have the b@lls and the clout to go after Microsoft & teach them a lesson

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Bill

warspite · « **Reply #124 on:** July 23, 2016, 12:45:42 pm »

And every one forgets its MS's way to Monopolise the revenues by having you pay yearly/monthly, for what is essentially their software (you only lease it), it also helps the hardware partners as the software will only work on their newer machines - so it means more revenue when the tech needs updating as well. do you think I am cynical.

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