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Colin Bishop

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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 11:07:42 am »

OK guys, cut the wisecracks. We don't want another lot of arguing.  Colin
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 01:16:24 pm »

Here, here Colin!

Yes we've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt and posted on the Forum - Kit or Scratch Build - Why? http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6182.0

If you want to run RTR boats that's OK, some of us like to do that.
The thought of buying a RTR boat and just adding water is quite appealing....
If you want to build from plans then that's OK too.... the water is still the same!
Personall I like both, depends what you want, your budget, what's available, time limitations, capabilities, access to a lake..... and what mood you're in at the time!

Personally, in the way of RTR,  I the Century Speed boat, "Graupner" Southampton tug & Ripmax Interceptor....


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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2008, 04:12:28 pm »

Don't forget Ripmax's Carlson Martin. Or if you want true speed tty the aquacraft range, shown is the supervee 27.
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2008, 05:41:37 pm »

bri, I stand by CB here, You like your scratch models, hence "wont be interested....", besides it's a cheap and simple way of getting someone into the hobby, you buy an RTR, sail it, then make a kit, sail that, then scratch or semi scratch.

nice one C B ;)
I'm interested in everything to do with modelling. How else does one learn?
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2008, 06:16:51 pm »

RTR= Ready to Run
ARTR= Almost ready to run

You won't be interested in these Bryan, somebody else builds them and you run them - but quite a lot of people are happy with this, instant gratification!
First time I have heard you being patronising. I only asked because I didn't know. Got the huff now. BY.

I think in our modern day and age of diversity, respect,understanding and enlightenment we should all try to be more accomodating of our fellow man and his needs and to this end I think it would be a great idea for Bryan to offer to hold classes in how to insert the batteries into an RTR boat and radio.

I know you'd be really good at it Bryan O0
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2008, 07:16:00 pm »

I hate cheap toy type RTRs but on the other end of the spectrum you have ARTRs like this:

I can understand why builders with skills like Bryan wonder at people like me spending so much money on something I can not even claim to have build myself- what have I learned?
I have considered a fleetscale hull but I really don't have the confidence to build a scratchbuilt superstructure let alone producing a deck with planking details :o Brought a robbe U47 and it was a disaster, spent so much money and had a load of ruined plastic parts to show for it (just how the heck to you cut out some of those parts in that tuff plastic)- actually ended up stabbing myself in the hands a couple of times with a Stanley knife. I did build a Model slipway coaster took me about 7 months but had a difficult time with the painting. I used car sprays and was happy with the result until 6 months later when the painted seemed to start splitting and crazing in parts. Actually brought another coaster kit as I love the subject and get this- I sawed it in half and have successfully lenghend the hull! Thing is I keep thinking of the mess I'm going to make painting it so I've done no work on it since August last year.
 I have learned that building a kit is a very expensive business with no promise that I can pull it off- for me it's a gamble. On the other hand I can buy stuff like the ARTRs on the Graupner site for the same amount of money I spent on just building/painting a large kit.
So with my past experiences what makes more sense to you?
Besides I've added details on the the Prinz and rebuilt parts like the catapault from scratch. Then there was the question of wiring up 3 motors and all the rest of the electronics so some skills are still needed.
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2008, 07:27:26 pm »

I know you'd be really good at it Bryan O0
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2008, 11:10:49 pm »

one option is take a hull, like I did, buying an aziz-esque hull off stavros, then turn it into something different. 

when I started doing model boats I thaught that I'd never be able to do a full scratch, or even semi scratch, well Im not totally sure where Nord Icelandia fits in the scheme of things as its not based on any real ship, just bits o' this and bits o' that, ho hum,
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2008, 06:24:07 pm »

last week I had a chap wanted to come sail with me he didn't have any idea what to do or where to go I invited him up to home , spent quite some time explaining general pondside etiquette he then showed me his pride and joy which turned out to be one of Deans Marine ARTR boats . This chap then came sailing with me and a couple of others the next day , he had a great time and by the end of the day was a complete convert to model boats . This chap had no idea how to build from a plan or a kit , and if he could have he would have had real problems , he had bad arthritis in both hands . The point I am making is without his ARTR  he would never have got into model boating He had a great day out sailing and met a lot of new friends it may have cost him quite a lot in tea and as far as I am concerned I have made a new friend to buy my tea for me
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2008, 07:57:47 pm »

All boats start as scratch builds. RTR are scratched built at the design table by a product designer, so you still get a scratch built boat just a copy of one that is mass produded. If that makes sense.
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2008, 11:14:57 pm »

Ready built aircraft are very big in RC flying, and have a big role to play in the hobby. Likewise, RTR boats have a significant place in model boating, for many of the reasons outlined above. The fact that I prefer to scratch build is simply a personal choice. As has been pointed out in previous posts, many of the RTR models are beautifully made, and those I have seen perform very well. They are just another branch of our hobby.
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2008, 02:01:00 am »

Ready built aircraft are very big in RC flying, and have a big role to play in the hobby. Likewise, RTR boats have a significant place in model boating, for many of the reasons outlined above. The fact that I prefer to scratch build is simply a personal choice. As has been pointed out in previous posts, many of the RTR models are beautifully made, and those I have seen perform very well. They are just another branch of our hobby.
Peter.

Perfectly said  O0

The thing that worrys me is, if i turned up at a lake with a £30 dickie tug, poeple might look down me, on the other end of the scale say i turned up with a graupner £700 artr and people came along and chated, would this be because i or someone has spent more money? Or would this be class as oh its a lesser rtr ( iv seen this happen to people before ) its almost like depending on what you bring to lake, depends on what people think of you, say the person that turns up with the £30 rtr has kit boats at home that they built, yet other modelers just think oh hes not into the hobby as much because hes sailin a £30 boat

Im not wanting to start another rant  :angel:
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2008, 08:27:57 am »

You had better come sailing with me then Offshore .............if it floats and you got enough for a cup of tea you will enjoy it  :D :D
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2008, 11:27:51 am »

You should join our club offshore1987 we have some fantastic scratch builders, as good as any on this forum and some of them sail RTR models on occassion and we also have people who only sail RTR . In fact we have scratch builders, kit builders and RTR sailers who all receive help when needed and all are welcomed, we have no prima donnas and if you look at our gallery web site you will see the many types of craft involved.  O0

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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2008, 02:21:07 pm »

Well said Richard,

Just as it should be.

Yours Colin H.
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2008, 03:56:30 pm »

I bought a rtr tug this week simply because if there is no wind at the lake i can't sail my yacht, and as i am concentrating on my u47 kit  building would be a pain.so it fills the gap at the mo fair enough it'll need a radio change but it's great fun in the pond O0. and i don't want to be stood idle at the lake or Bob will make me get the tea! ::)

  but just to throw the cat in surely if you buy a plan to build a model this is just a kit without parts a pure scratch build is drawring plans up first then building, something i have done a couple of times but just don't have the time for now. but as the u47 progresses i am realising the instructions are very vague and a fair bit of interpritation is needed not what i expected from a kit (never built a kit before) but as i'm now modifying it to suit my needs does that make it a "semi scratch built rtr kit?"  :D
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2008, 04:23:17 pm »

does that make it a "semi scratch built rtr kit?"  :D
Very nearly bbdave. Now if you were to alter your tug you would be right.  O0
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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2008, 04:28:21 pm »

Changes to a kit as supplied have usually been considered to make it a "modified kit". The changes might involve replacing fittings/parts with scratch built ones or commercial ones or a combination of both. As has been stated at considerable length on other threads, the distinction between  kit built, scratch built or even Divine Intervention  :angel: only becomes an issue if you put the model into a competition and the distinction then is whatever the rules of that particular competition state it is. Otherwise model boats can range from RTRs which come ready charged; just add water; to totally scratch built where the builder has planted the tree, waited for it to grow, cut it down, seasoned the wood and then built the model using plans drawn up by taking measurements off the original vessel whilst probably having made their own pencils and rulers along the way.

Everything else is somewhere in between.

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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2008, 04:56:33 pm »

Have you noticed Colin how you can do a tongue in cheek posting, then before the "ink is dry" someone is posting the rules a regulations at you, or giving you a lecture ;)
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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2008, 05:03:46 pm »

Happens to me all the time Richard!  ;D
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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2008, 05:08:36 pm »

Happens to me all the time Richard!  ;D
Oh good. I was getting a complex for a while. O0
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2008, 05:29:50 pm »

thats the same tug i just got Richard it goes like stink but the steering is near non existant which makes it more fun  :D. What did you change in yours?
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Re: RTR Boats
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2008, 05:31:14 pm »

Dickie  :)

I tryed to pop along last year to say hi to others but its abit hard me gettin there with a model, Il try and make it this year if you have an open day  O0

I just ment from my last post that some people seem stuck in thinkin that a cheap rtr makes you less of a modeler, just seems abit crazzy to me  :D

All the best

P.s maybe we should have a thread of ( post your rtr models ) ?
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 05:33:04 pm »

BBdave...............call it what you like as long as you enjoy sailing it ............by the way the teas are on you next time   :D P.S. glad you had a good day today I been locked in the shed
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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2008, 05:38:33 pm »

 bbdave and offshore1987 my tug alterations are on here:


http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8411.0

Youngat65 "today I been locked in the shed". Teach you to upset your better half. ;)

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