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Sailing in the Rain
« on: July 28, 2019, 02:00:43 pm »

Prepared two tug models on Saturday for the local club's Tug Towing event today (Sunday).  Arrived at the lake and found buoys laid out for the sailing course but no one else there.  Waited a half hour, listened to a Queen CD in car and watched joggers running around the lake, still no other members appeared so I drove home...?


Yes, I'll admit it was raining but I've never believed that this was a reason for abandoning a clubs event.  Now I'm not advocating that you deliberately plan to sail in the rain but, in the UK at least, rain is hardly unexpected.  Yet it is not uncommon to see some modelers at the first spot of rain quickly recover the their pride and joy and then dash for shelter.  This is something I confess to finding amusing.


Our models are usually designed, built and finished to be waterproof.  Well, at least the hull should be waterproof but the decks and superstructures should be at least "water-resistant" and able to cope with the inevitable splashes of water that occur on the sunniest of days.  So, unless your model has a openings to allow rain inside, sailing in rain ought to be little problem.


A perhaps unrecognized benefit of sailing in rain is that it tends "flatten" the water's surface and produces small ripples that can be more in keeping with the scale of our models.  The result can be a more lifelike appearance as the model moves through the water.  Add the darkening, if not downright murkiness, that rain creates and photographs or video's taken under these condition could be hard to distinguish from the real things.


Like most things, there is a limit to how far you can sensibly push the idea of sailing in the rain.  If it is really hammering down then delicate details on scale models could be damaged of even lost overboard.  Also, whilst the human body is reasonably waterproof, getting your clothes drenched, especially on cold days, might not be such a good idea.


My first experience of rain sailing was many years ago when sailing a warship model.  The rain started just after launching the model and I carried on sailing but moved to stand under a convenient tree.  The rain increased and turned into a thunderstorm but I was amazed how realistic the model looked under these conditions, just as if it were ploughing through some miserable mid-Atlantic weather, the lightning flashes adding to the effect.   It was only after returning home did I realise the aerial of my 27 MHz transmitter could have become a lightning conductor.  This ought not to be a problem with 2.4 GHz RC outfits!
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2019, 03:15:30 pm »

OK with semi scale models Glynn but not fully detailed ones as rain can leave watermarks and unsightly stains. Fine if you like a bit of genuine weathering but not if you want your pride and joy to keep a pristine appearance.

Plus, rain these days tends to be pretty dirty, full of dust and sand. After a shower on Thursday my car was covered with fine powder, no doubt from the Sahara and I needed to wash the windows just to see out of it safely!

Of course submarines are different, they can keep out of the rain...

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2019, 03:22:07 pm »

I agree GG. Went to the lake this morning as the forecast indicated Overcast. In fact it was mizzling (Yorkshire word :} ), but not really wet. Waited at the lake for 30 minutes but no-one turned up {:-{ :(( . Didn't sail as we have a rule that there should be two adults present when sailing.


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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2019, 05:08:32 pm »


Of course submarines are different, they can keep out of the rain...

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2019, 06:55:09 pm »

. Didn't sail as we have a rule that there should be two adults present when sailing.



Why ?

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 08:06:18 pm »


Why ?

Presumably so one of the adults can attempt to throw a lifering at the one who fell into the drink, while the second adult takes a video for facebook. LoL.

Seriously though, is there not something ironic about putting a model into a pond, but not when it's raining??  I can understand if it's a downpour though.

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The rain started just after launching the model and I carried on sailing but moved to stand under a convenient tree.  The rain increased and turned into a thunderstorm but I was amazed how realistic the model looked under these conditions, just as if it were ploughing through some miserable mid-Atlantic weather, the lightning flashes adding to the effect.   It was only after returning home did I realise the aerial of my 27 MHz transmitter could have become a lightning conductor.  This ought not to be a problem with 2.4 GHz RC outfits!

...the tree above you could have been a bit more more of a worry?

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 05:06:52 am »

we had a standard sailing day yesterday. i had put out an email that we would have a work party as well to sort the hut, after putting new shelving up a few weeks back. as it was raining i turned up at 8.30, thinking i would be the only one to turn up. to my surprise, and despite the rain, we had 18 people turn up to help with the work party! a couple even went an had a sail! great work party  loads of gear sorted, and lots gone to the tip!!! having to do another on a few weeks time to sort the top shelf  and build a new shelf for the club shop.
ps I agree with GG, rain should never put you off sailing. we sail in rain, shine, sleet and snow in Luton. in 2 years we have only lost 2 days of sailing, and they were due to severe flooding.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2019, 06:45:50 am »

There is no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing.  :-))
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2019, 08:07:53 am »

I remember an early modular transmitter (the make of choice in my flying club at the time & normally totally reliable) that simply stopped working if it got wet so whilst I don't mind light rain I always try & keep my electronics dry.

Would I choose to sail in rain? The answer is pretty much the same as if you had asked about any adverse weather and other activities like walking etc. If I had an appointment like a competition that I had entered & others had put time & effort into organising then yes I would sail but if I thought that I would be the only one who turned up then no.

What would concern me more is that the person/ group who organize the event didn't turn up. That is unacceptable to me when emails & texts are so easy to send & cheap.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2019, 08:59:27 am »

Many years ago when I was on holiday in Switzerland I went to the local swimming pool. It was closed because it was raining!
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2019, 10:05:27 am »

What would concern me more is that the person/ group who organize the event didn't turn up. That is unacceptable to me when emails & texts are so easy to send & cheap.

I, probably like most other organisers, have this for every event. no matter how many people say they WILL turn up, until they do its  worry, good or bad weather. on many occassions I have been phoned up to see if an event is going ahead, to which I reply, I will be there, its up to you to make a decision. as an event organiser, you should attend no matter what (unless it's an extreme emergency). I'm the first to arrive, last to leave, and lead by example. I help out with whatever needs doing. Delegating is easy to do, but don't stand and watch them do it.  help out.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2019, 10:20:30 am »

Many years ago when I was on holiday in Switzerland I went to the local swimming pool. It was closed because it was raining!
If it was an outdoor pool, quite understandable.  Rain drops tend to be very cold things, when they drop from a great height.  In mountainous areas they can often turn without warning into hailstorms.  Look back to last Friday at the Tour.  Presumbaly the pool owners didn't want to deal with any hypothermia cases.


A member of my club does very nice lifeboats.  They sail in, and handle, rough water with no problem.  A few years back at an outdoor show, the one he was showing was caught on the stand in a downpour.  It came away with a half pint on the inside.  Heavy rain can and does force a way through.  Models tend to be made to stop splashes finding their way inside, but heavy rain can be more like a fire hose being directed down on the model, it can splash up a considerable distance and find a way past almost any coaming.
Some pools might well be simply unsuitable for sailing in wet conditions, either because of bank conditions, or facilities, or lack of them, for preparing a boat for sailing.  Cold weather, no problem, I have a coat.  But I also have a heater in the car for warming up on the way home.  Getting wet detracts from the enjoyment, so I tend to avoid it where possible.  Its a hobby, not a compulsive obsession.
When the sailboaters set up an event, virtually nothing stops them, but that is usually an event counting towards a championship with some travelling a considerable distance to compete, there is something more than just personal pleasure involved.
I reckon that we are all fortunate that Glynn's tree was not the tallest around, we might not have benefitted from his knowledge over the years if it had been struck by lightning with him trying to keep dry.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2019, 10:36:58 am »

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I reckon that we are all fortunate that Glynn's tree was not the tallest around, we might not have benefitted from his knowledge over the years if it had been struck by lightning with him trying to keep dry.

Would have charged up his TX batteries PDQ though!

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2019, 12:27:16 pm »

Sorry of line again, just a quick story.


When I started scuba diving, one of my first open water
 dives took place in our local river, after some time in the water I looked up and saw that it was raining, my first thought was I must get out before I get wet {-)


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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2019, 01:05:47 pm »

I've sailed in light rain before but that's fairly unusual around here, and I don't feel like standing outside in any sort of a normal downpour, especially with a transmitter exposed.

I do sail until the water starts to freeze over or it becomes too miserable to stand outside with just gloved hands.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2019, 01:11:22 pm »

If it rains or looks like it will rain, I typically choose my plastic fantastic modelboats like Swap drawg, Skimmer, Robbe jetski and my 2 other water jet boats all of the don't care about a bit or a lot of water
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2019, 01:26:44 pm »

Not my model. But good video.


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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2019, 01:58:16 pm »

Think the main reason for not doing any RC, whether flying, sailing or driving, in the rain is water getting into the Tx. Most people take some precaution in boats and cars to keep the electronics in particular the Rx dry but very little is done regards the Tx.
Rain can easily find its way inside a Tx via the stick gimbals so unless you're using some form of Tx cover, I wouldnt recommend any RC activity when it is raining.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2019, 02:14:05 pm »


Rain can easily find its way inside a Tx via the stick gimbals so unless you're using some form of Tx cover, I wouldnt recommend any RC activity when it is raining.
I just use a sandwich poly-bag for the Tx.      If you open up a modern Tx you'll find it's almost empty - the pots for the sticks are mounted off to the sides, the trimmers are often a mechanical cam and there's only a tiny circuit board with just one chip on it.    There's no complex electronics like in old sets.      It's why a 5-channel Tx & Rx are sold brand new for £16.I'd guess the most damage would be to the lowest point - the bottom of the battery compartment.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2019, 03:49:55 pm »

People pursue model boating for fun, but there is precious little fun to be had when you are standing still getting wet and cold in the rain!

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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2019, 04:29:56 pm »

There's rain and then there's heavy rain. I have sailed in a short sharp shower and lengthy drizzle. However, this last weekend the rain was torrential, I didn't even leave the house.  O0 Each to his own  :-))
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2019, 08:29:56 pm »

I just use a sandwich poly-bag for the Tx.      If you open up a modern Tx you'll find it's almost empty - the pots for the sticks are mounted off to the sides, the trimmers are often a mechanical cam and there's only a tiny circuit board with just one chip on it.    There's no complex electronics like in old sets.      It's why a 5-channel Tx & Rx are sold brand new for £16.I'd guess the most damage would be to the lowest point - the bottom of the battery compartment.
Only if you have one of the simplest toy transmitters, any modern set with a microcontroller inside will be very sensitive to water. An old 27MHz set has much less electronics than a more modern set, if I open one of my transmitters it is full.
Another thing to think about is the effect of rain on a 2.4GHz transmission, this frequency of radio is absorbed by water so range will be much lower in rain.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2019, 09:54:56 pm »

Have to say, these days everything is hi-tech. When I started out I had one futaba radio kit, one propshaft etc. I cut my teeth making models from card, waterproofing joins with sellotape and using dregs of emulsion pots plastered on  to waterproof the rest. Some of the quicker models (looking back they were flipping quick on a 540 motor and 7.2v ni-cad for about 10mins) didn't have any tops to them and I used to remember if it started raining I had about 30 secs before everything unstuck and sank, as long as the BEC and enough juice held I could get it back in!
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2019, 10:58:33 pm »

Sailing in the rain is nearly as sad as golfing in the snow - and there's more than a few do that! It's no fun trying to do much of anything in the wet if you rely on specs to see owt.
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Re: Sailing in the Rain
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2019, 11:44:43 pm »


Well talking about rain, we have a couple of weeks of good weather and then on the weekend where we have a local Carnival that we display in an provide have a go boats to try to get kids interested in, what does it do Yes bucket it down to the extent that the organisers for the 2nd year running had to cancel it, exactly the same happened last year, 6 odd weeks of sunshine and then that particular weekend rain, and heavy wind !!, however I suppose we are fortunate as we are able to sail from within the protection of our Pavilion and have hot drinks available..
As our hoards of kids never materialised it did give us the opportunity to test out the new Have-ago area and to try to see how we can further water proof a couple of the boats we use , the Southampton is a new one to the fleet and still needs a lot of work to make it suitable. The tug 510 is an old workboat and has recently undergone a major waterproofing exercise and is now back in dry dock undergoing some more re-designing.





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