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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2023, 06:21:14 pm »

Hello there Greg, I started to follow this blog when you first opened it but then I went AWOL for a few months. Well, I've just been going through it in slow time and your efforts are well impressive and I look forward to seeing more of the same - cheers!


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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2023, 10:59:11 am »

Thanks Ray.  I hope your AWOL period wasn't anything nasty.  Nice to have you back!

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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2023, 11:41:48 am »

Thanks Greg, fortunately nothing nasty occurred - just needed to step away from the hobby for a while - anyway, back now and it's time to clear the workshop out, ready for the restart  :-)


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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2023, 07:05:59 pm »

 Picking up from my last instalment, I needed to plank the transom, so I did that.  Pretty straightforward after some of the other planking.
 

 
With the planking complete, I embarked on a fairly tedious sanding (and still more filling!) to get the planking in a fit state for the glass and epoxy covering.  Obviously I needed to remove any glue stains, filler overspill and any other blemish that would show through the coating.  To save me some of the tedium, I roughly marked the waterline with a few pieces of tape.  The area below the waterline is to be painted so all I needed for that area was a smooth finish; blemishes didn’t matter.
 

 
Next step was to stain the mahogany planking with the supplied stain.  This helps to give the planking a more even appearance as it moderates any differences in shade between individual planks.  If I hadn’t used it before (on my Chris Craft Runabout of a few years ago), I might have been a bit alarmed by its appearance as it was applied! %%
 

 
But it will all look lovely once the finish is applied.  Now the glassing.  I was going to do this outside, but it was a pretty windy day when I was going to do it, so I stayed in the workshop and managed to work around the hull by shifting it around a bit as I went.  First, I should say that I do not follow all the perfectly good advice you can find on this subject, partly because a lot of it is contradictory.  So here is how I do it.  First, I cut a piece of cloth (100 gsm twill from Easy Composites) and drape it over the hull.  I smooth it out with my hands to get it to lie as flat as I can.  The weave will distort a bit to help the cloth conform to the hull shape. 
 

 
Most of the advice will tell you not to try and apply the cloth over a sharp corner like the chine but to apply the cloth in separate pieces.  They say the cloth will not fold that tightly.  They are right – sort of.  My view is that the chine is actually where I want the glass to strengthen that corner, so I do it that way.  There are certainly places where the cloth doesn’t follow the hull perfectly, but mostly it does, with a little encouragement, so I am happy.  I apply the epoxy with a roller, making sure the cloth is pressed hard against the hull and that there is only sufficient resin to wet out the cloth.  I am not trying to fill the weave at this stage.
 

 
And here is the hull with the cloth all rolled down.
 

 
Some of the advice will suggest you should use an old credit card to scrape off excess resin.  Using a roller means there really isn’t excess and it dries with the weave of the cloth still readily apparent.
 

 
Once dry, the excess cloth is trimmed off with a Stanley knife.
 

 
The issue I had with this particular hull is that for the aft portion there is no clear delineation between hull side and deck.  I had decided to simply let the cloth hang and see where the epoxy got to as I rolled it on with hull upside down.  One side looked quite neat but the other was like this –
 

 
I already knew that there would be some overlap of the glass edges as I glassed the deck, so I decided to simply overlap all the way over this ragged edge then rub down the resultant bump.  I did rub down the edges of the cloth to a feather edge before adding the deck cloth –
 

 
And this is the overlapped area –
 

 
Once the deck epoxy was cured it was on to some fairly aggressive rubbing down to lose the edges of the cloth.
 

 
Once these were smooth, I applied a coat of epoxy to fill the weave.  At least I tried to.  Largely because of the difficulty in differentiating between hull and deck, I decided to apply this fill coat to the whole hull and deck in one go.  I pushed some large plastic containers into the cockpits so I could stand the hull upside down and clear of the bench, planning to do the deck first then turn the hull over and do the rest.  I mixed up the epoxy and set to.  The decks and the hull sides went fine but a short while after I started on the bottom it became clear the epoxy was starting to go off.  I had mixed it in a shallow tray (well, a takeaway food container actually) but it was a hot day and the workshop was pretty warm.  Foolishly I kept going, hoping to get a coat on the whole hull before the epoxy defeated me.  The result was a bottom coat that never flowed out and cured with loads of hollows and craters.  I should have known better.  Actually I did know better and was telling myself the whole time I was doing it that this was a silly move.  Hey-ho, another lesson re-re-re-learnt!  {:-{ {:-{


I set to with rubbing down the lumpy bottom. 
 

 
After a while, I decided that sanding off the entire coat was not really needed.  Once I had the worst of the high spots done, I mixed up a fairing mixture of epoxy (epoxy plus colloidal silica and wood flour) and squeegeed that over the bottom, filling the remaining craters and leaving a relatively smooth surface that need only modest rubbing down to be ready for painting.
 

 
Once that little boo-boo had been dealt with and I had finished telling myself never to do that again, a final rub down all over and the hull was ready for varnish.  (You might have gathered that I have now had my fill of wet and dry paper for a while.  O0 )   Here is the first coat of many.
 

 
So a couple of weeks now of varnishing to build up a good coverage ready for polishing out.  I hope we don’t suddenly find the weather turning cold – I like it as it is for the varnishing.  Incidentally, the Dumas instructions suggest painting the king plank and deck margin planks black as was often seen on full size Chris Crafts.  I did this with my C-C Runabout but couldn’t decide if I really liked it, and am still not sure.  So I have left this with no black planks and it’s too late now to change my mind.
 
Happy building and sailing folks
 
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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2023, 06:58:35 pm »

 Plenty of varnishing has been done.  I didn’t bother with varnishing the bottom, which is due to be painted, but I did varnish all the way down to the chine, which is past the waterline level.  After each coat I gave the surface a gentle rub over with a fine scotchbrite pad to get rid of dust specks and any other minor blemishes.  It also dulls the shine making applying the next coat a little easier.
 

 
Then after 5 coats, I gave everything a good rub over with 320 wet and dry used wet.  I then marked out the waterline by first taping a thin line in place to connect the correct points at bow and stern.  As the hull is pretty slab-sided, this works well, and I could sight along the line to make sure I had a fair line.  I then put a strip of 6mm Tamiya masking tape along the line to show where the boot topping line will be.
 

 
My plan was to complete the varnishing down to this tape, then mask the top of the hull and spray the underwater areas.  Then run masking tape each side of the 6mm Tamiya strip, peel that off and mask the rest of the hull.  I then spray the boot topping and I end up with all the different coatings at roughly the same level rather than having the boot topping applied on top of another layer.  I completed the varnishing with another 5 coats, although I have noticed a couple of spots which aren’t very good so another will be needed sometime soon. But having got the 10 coats on, I turned to the bottom of the hull.  Before painting I needed to fix the P bracket and rudder tube in place.  To make sure the P bracket was correct as I glued it in, I tack-glued a couple of scraps under the prop shaft to keep it at the right attitude while the epoxy for the P bracket set.
 

 
 I then turned the hull over and filled with epoxy the little box I had built around the P bracket stem.
 

 
By this time our lovely Indian summer was beginning to break, and as I do my spraying outside I needed to choose my moments.  First coat of primer –
 

 
While waiting for the good windows in the weather, I started on the seats for the three cockpits.  The “upholstery” is provided as vac-formed plastic, so the first job is to remove each piece from the plastic sheet and get rid of the flange around the edge.  I guess most here will have a good idea about working with vac-formed parts, but in case you don’t, this is what I do.  Take a hard, flat surface such as glass or, as I do, a small granite slab of the sort sold for use as a chopping board.  Lay a sheet of wet and dry on this  - I use 120 grade – and pour a small amount of water on it.  Take your vac-formed part and start rubbing it over the wet and dry, keeping even pressure over the whole piece as much as you can.
 

 
Keep rubbing and after a while the surplus bit around the edge will start to separate.
 

 
When this has separated all the way round, you have you piece ready for use.  The kit provides die cut ply pieces that fit inside each plastic part (or do after a little gentle attention).  I had already stained and varnished the seat parts that show so it was just a matter of gluing the necessary pieces together.  At least part of the front seat needs to be removable to access the hole I cut in the floor to drain any dribbles that find their way in there, so some locating blocks were glued under the seat cushion and a small magnet and washer form the attachment system.
 

 

 
I also carried on with spraying the hull below the waterline.  The primer coats went on fine, but when it came to the top coat, I rushed things a bit between rain showers (showers? More like torrents!) and made a bit of a hash of the spraying.  Very patchy finish and considerable curtaining of the paint.   >>:-( Another mistake I should know better than to make.  It’s becoming a habit on this boat.   {:-{ {:-{
That’s where we stand at the moment.  I am waiting for the bottom paint to harden properly so I can rub it down before doing a proper job on it.  Given the weather we are having, I am not holding my breath for this.  I also have a couple of other model boat projects I want to progress, so I think there might be a pause in this build.  I have tidied up my workshop and put all the Chris Craft bits to one side for the moment.  If the weather suddenly turns benign I will crack on, but I’m in no hurry to make another error of judgement (that's me being polite) on this build.  So things might go quiet on this thread for a while, but please be patient – I will finish it!
 
Happy building and sailing folks
 
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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2024, 03:05:36 pm »

 Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, there was a build log on Model Boat Mayhem of a Dumas Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, or so legend has it……. %)
 
Well, legend is right, and as our spring spluttered into summer, I got going again on this.  I was waiting for some decent weather to get my bottom paint into a decent shape.  When the sun came out for a couple of days, I managed to get a good finish on the bottom.  (This is when I discovered that Halfords had stopped doing manufacturer’s colours and introduced their own range of spray paints.  Fortunately I found a good match to what I had previously.)
 

 
With the main painting and varnishing complete, I turned to the boot topping.  Those with very long memories might recall I masked this off with 6mm Tamiya tape before the paint and most of the varnish was applied.  I masked either side of this tape, then peeled it off leaving the boot topping line ready for painting.  Doing it this way rather than simply adding the boot topping on top of the varnish means you don’t get a ridge along the paint line.
 

 
Everything else was then masked off and the boot topping applied.
 

 
After a few days to let that paint harden a bit, I began the rather tedious task of rubbing down the whole hull in preparation for final polishing.  There are about 11 or 12 coats of varnish and 6 or so sprayed coats on the bottom, so there is a good base for cutting back.  I started with 800 wet and dry, then 1200 and 1500.  As almost all of the hull has various compound curves in one direction or other, I did this without a block or backing for the paper, which meant I had to be careful not to miss a bit.
 

 
Once that was done, I started the very satisfying task of polishing the hull to a fine shine.  I used this product from Easy Composites – it is intended for polishing GRP moulds to get a perfect finish before moulding the final product, and it did a splendid job on the paint and varnish.  You can see the result in most of the pictures that follow.  I am not a fan of what I call the toffee apple finish – an extremely high gloss, which might look lovely on a full size boat, but on a model I think it looks toy-like.  The finish I get has a slightly subdued gloss but feels like a piece of glass when you stroke it.  As I do on a regular basis.   :} :}
 
Next job was adding the various fixtures and fittings.  The trickiest of these were the two windscreens, which were cut from the supplied piece of clear plastic and mounted in partial frames which fitted to the deck.  I cut the basic shape of the screens with a small hacksaw, backing the plastic with some plywood to give some rigidity.
 

 
I finalised the shape on the Proxxon sander, running at the slowest speed.
 

 
The instructions provide a pattern for the screens, and are very specific about the width.  However, the two partial frames for the screens, one port, one starboard, are not identical in their dimensions.  One is about 0.5mm wider than the other.  Not a difference that you could notice, but as the screens must be a snug sliding fit into the frames, it is essential to get them exactly the right dimension.  As you can see from the picture, there isn’t a great deal of gluing surface to hold the screens in place, so it really has to touch in all possible places.
 

 

 
Some sticky backed aluminium foil is used to represent the glass surrounds, and the final job looks pretty good.
 

 
All the other bits of bling are now glued to the deck.  On similar jobs in the past I have used Araldite, but found this not to be ideal (and it tends to squeeze out, leaving a nasty smear on the deck).  This time I used CA, but I also carefully plotted the position of each piece with masking tape so I knew it was going in the right place when I dropped it onto the deck.  I rubbed the base of each piece on emery cloth to remove any ridge or pimple that might interfere with the fit, then spread a thin layer of CA over the surface. I dabbed this with a tissue to make sure there was no more than strictly necessary for the gluing job.  Many of the pieces are small, rounded and smooth, so holding them without touching the glue was tricky.  I used pieces of tape to make temporary handles to give me some control as the bits were applied.
 

 

 

 

 
And suddenly there were no more bits to add.  Outside into the sunshine and some pictures of the finished article.
 

 

 

 
Last Sunday she took to the water for the first time, and I am happy to say she performed admirably.  Quiet, smooth, more than fast enough and not a drop of water on board.  The crew were delighted!
 

 
So after a considerable hiatus, Lady Daphne takes to the water and the workbench is clear.  What next I wonder?
 



Happy sailing!


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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2024, 04:54:20 pm »

Beautiful result Greg..!  And looks great out on the water.


Very nice indeed.
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Re: Chris Craft Triple Cockpit, Dumas kit
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2024, 09:58:39 pm »

Indeed, looks lovely. Reading back through the posts it was a great save with the resin and cloth. And as for time, my Fairey builds have been going on for much longer and still not finished!

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