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[KitS]

Is there even a need for such ships these days? Only in Trump's warped mind I suspect. 

[Mark T]

Obviously I'm no expert in war ships - but doesn't a bigger ship make a better target in times of war regardless of armour? 

[Colin Bishop]

Trump is nuts! These ships will never be built. The proposed timescale is completely uinrealistic as the US can't even build frigates to a planned timescale. Plus the intended weapon fit out is only fractionally above that of the current Arleigh Burke destroyers which carry a comparable weapon load to the proposed 35,000 ton 'Battleships' at a quarter of the displacement.

A big 'Battleship' can only be in one place at one time. Four smaller ships with pretty much the same  capabilities can be in four different places and that is what the US Navy actually wants to avoid concentrating assets in a few large, potentially vulnerable hulls.

This is all basic stuff, but Trump just wants to build big gold painted targets at a huge cost. The US Navy stopped development of railguns some years ago as they concluded that they were not technically viable.

Trump of course will be helping to design the new 'Battleships' to make sure they look nice... Very important!

You couldn't make it up really. Trump is rapidly losing whatever few marbles he originally had and his health both physically and mentally is deteriorating  at an increasing rate.

Colin

[derekwarner]

Merry Christmas Folks....
 
Good to know, these vessels would be "extremely lethal".......{funny choice in the need of the adjective [word]

But I suppose it was preferable to very, very, very, very................very much question how the Trump support Staff, managed to keep a straight face 

Derek
 
 

[tigertiger]

I saw a report that mentioned, in addition to the comments below, that the US Navy had already moved away from very large ships some years ago. Reasons including being a large less manouverable target, high running costs, and the very large crews required.

[Colin Bishop]

and the very large crews required.

Yes, the USN is still very reliant on manpower rather than automation. The Nimitz class carriers need nearly 3,200 just to run the ship whereas the RN Queen Elizabeth class manage with 680. I remember reading an article by Jeremy Clarkson, who was invited to visit one of the US carriers, in which he expressed amazement at how many sailors (most of them very junior) were carrying out simple manual tasks which he thought would have been automated.

Colin

[Akira]

"Yes, the USN is still very reliant on manpower rather than automation. The Nimitz class carriers need nearly 3,200 just to run the ship whereas the RN Queen Elizabeth class manage with 680. I remember reading an article by Jeremy Clarkson, who was invited to visit one of the US carriers, in which he expressed amazement at how many sailors (most of them very junior) were carrying out simple manual tasks which he thought would have been automated."

 
Quite true. However, it has, since the USS Nautilus was launched,, perhaps before, been the policy in the USN, to have manual redundancy for all critical systems. Just one of the reasons the US never adopted, but did consider, X tail subs. Nimitz, being a nuc, I imagine is governed much by the same philosophy.
 
Happy Christmas All.  
 
 

[roycv]

With the current 'battle field' and on a smaller scale the Russian £2M tanks can be taken out by a cheap drone.  Russian army soldiers are being used as targets by their own country.  There was also a rumour that Russian tanks with the explosive armour left the factory without this protection.
The Iranians are building swarms of high speed (70 mph) small explosive boats to attack major warships.  Only one or two need get through.
The UK has taken into account the recent (2022) sinking of the Russian flagship Moskva by a couple of Neptune missiles.
We may even be seeing that the US fleet of aircraft carriers may be more vulnerable.  The Chinese have missiles with a greater range than the aircraft on the carrier.
 
I suggest that the UK will be thinking about how to use the PoW and QE and protect them.  We are rather short of Fleet escort ships.

WW3 may be a remote one by drone!  Cheap on weapons but dear on lives.

I said to several friends before the Russians invaded Ukraine that the old Chinese handbook on warfare said that when faced with the enemy threatening on the borders, the small country should attack first.  What a difference that might have been!  Almost all their tanks in one place just sitting there.

The current posturing leadership in several countries seems to be a repeat of 1938/9. 
I was there but not in any influential role!!!!  I had nappies and it is rumoured someone else also has them.
Roy

[Neil]

    "Trump is nuts!"

That is putting it mildly Collin......gotta be carefull what you say though............

You might be next to appear in his special self owned court on the end of a billion dollar law suit......we'll all chip in though to smuggle you out.

[Colin Bishop]

OK, Trump is a hexagonal fastener...

Been to the US twice, Canada three times - much more civilised!

Colin

[dodgy geezer]

Obviously I'm no expert in war ships - but doesn't a bigger ship make a better target in times of war regardless of armour?

Look up Project Habakkuk...

[Colin Bishop]

Look up Project Habakkuk...

Funny you should mention that. In 2014 when touring the Canadian Rockies we visited Patricia Lake near Jasper where the experiments on Pycrete were  conducted. There was a small plaque there to commemorate it.

Colin

[Martin (Admin)]

Good audiobook on Utube:  Habakkuk of Ice (2001) by Steve Walker, starring Tim McInnerny
 
https://youtu.be/tv_wwzUIlUg?si=4qsRU1NTPjTcJ4lG
 
 
 

[tigertiger]

***We are straying into politice gentlemen.***
Please avoid.

[Martin (Admin)]

 

[Martin (Admin)]

 
        ... posting early, 'cause it's nearly bedtime for me!
 

[KBIO]

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[Neil]

happy birthday Martin........have a good,warm, happy day.