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Gun on a gun?!
« on: October 10, 2020, 08:57:37 pm »


Found this on Facebook...



📸 Some journalists and officials visit an Italian artillery pitch equipped with an impressive 381 mm cannon.
🇦🇱 The site should be on the Albanian coast, after the country was occupied by Italians in 1915.
✅ Notice halfway through the fly the small (relatively) caliber used for shooting adjustment.

Could it be, the small, a 57 Hotchkiss, about 2,5 mt long. Useful shot about 1 km, 1,5 no: maximum shot 6 / 7 km, but no longer exploitable, for him. If well-collimated, he directed the shoot of the main piece. Both of naval origin. Keep in mind that the cost of the bullet was different: here is one of the reasons.

In my opinion it's the 381 Vickers installed in Brindisi in Cala Mater Domini before the construction of the batteries Brothers Flag and Brin, twin sisters of the Amalfi battery in Venice.



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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2020, 09:10:46 pm »

Many nations used smaller weapons mounted on the main armament to train crews and keep the costs down as firing a main battery cost many hundreds of pounds whereas firing a smaller 'Sub calibre' round was much easier on the annual budget. Some armies also did this including the Americans who kept 37mm trench guns mounted on frames for such a purpose.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2020, 10:37:55 pm »

Reminds me of my MOBAT mobile battalion anti tank days. The 120mm HESH round MOBAT with an effective range of 1000 metres uses a Bren gun (old tech but very accurate) with tracer rounds 7.62mm for spotting on the target tank after which a mismatch of trajectory figure is applied to the sighting before letting the main round go  %%  as well as an amount of lead if the target is moving  {-)


The gun crew only get an order of STANDBY! which is the signal to clench buttocks as the fire button is pressed
immediately following  ;D







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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2020, 11:45:15 pm »

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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2020, 09:03:51 am »

 
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2020, 09:59:00 am »

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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2020, 12:43:13 pm »

Hi I can vouch for the Bren gun really accurate I fired them and stripped them down many times.  I have frequently put a 15 shot group (3 at a time) at 25 yards within a 1/2 inch span.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2020, 02:33:28 pm »

Reminds me of my MOBAT mobile battalion anti tank days. The 120mm HESH round MOBAT with an effective range of 1000 metres uses a Bren gun (old tech but very accurate) with tracer rounds 7.62mm for spotting on the target tank after which a mismatch of trajectory figure is applied to the sighting before letting the main round go  %%  as well as an amount of lead if the target is moving  {-)


The gun crew only get an order of STANDBY! which is the signal to clench buttocks as the fire button is pressed
immediately following  ;D


My brother in law has got a MOBAT in his 'fleet' of military vehicles, he tows it around Jersey with an Austin Champ.


I never fired a MOBAT but I did manage a couple of rounds on different occasions with a WOMBAT, they had a 50cal spotting rifle on the top. Us medics always used to try and scrounge 'a go' with anything we could.

They also made a .22lr sub-calibre 'dummy' round for the WOMBAT, never fired one of those though. But then that would have been a bit of an anti-climax after the 120mm real thing.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2020, 09:50:17 pm »



Hi I can vouch for the Bren gun really accurate I fired them and stripped them down many times.  I have frequently put a 15 shot group (3 at a time) at 25 yards within a 1/2 inch span.



Oh yes, I've put a few hundred rounds down a Bren before now. My mate Ray and I won a Schools LMG Trophy at Bisley with our fave Bren in 1961, starting at 800 yrds and ending up at 200 yards. That's two magazines full and two barrels later.  :-)


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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2020, 11:11:20 pm »

  Saw a WOMBAT fired on Haltern (I think) ranges. Amazing flat trajectory. Problem with both weapons was making sure no-one was behind them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2020, 07:57:11 am »

  Saw a WOMBAT fired on Haltern (I think) ranges. Amazing flat trajectory. Problem with both weapons was making sure no-one was behind them.


When I was on an Army Cadet Force 'visit' to Germany in about 1967 we were taken to a range to see WOMBAT being fired. We were all shepherded carefully out of the way of the way of the 'back blast'.  Unfortunately nobody did the same for the tatty old Bedford Army bus we had travelled to the range in. The first round removed all the glass down one side, strangely enough it didn't break any of the glass, it just popped them out whole.


The Army being the Army we had a very draughty 20 mile trip back to Celle where we were staying.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2020, 11:31:20 am »


When I was on an Army Cadet Force 'visit' to Germany in about 1967 we were taken to a range to see WOMBAT being fired.
The Army being the Army we had a very draughty 20 mile trip back to Celle where we were staying.


Doubt it was Haltern that's  down by Münster  a lot more than 20 Miles from Celle .I was Stationed  In Fallingbostel    and  remember there was a big firepower demo at Hohne   might have been 67 or earlier. Was there a Large Missile launched at that one.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2020, 10:48:57 pm »


Doubt it was Haltern that's  down by Münster  a lot more than 20 Miles from Celle .I was Stationed  In Fallingbostel    and  remember there was a big firepower demo at Hohne   might have been 67 or earlier. Was there a Large Missile launched at that one.


I didn't say it was Haltern, that was in a previous post. A fair guess would be Hohne or F-ing-B or somewhere in that area. All I can remember is that it had two or three 'dead' Shermans out on the range as targets. As a kid you didn't really notice where you were going, too busy messing about in the back of the bus.
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It wasn't a major thing though, just a small demo done for visiting cadets, making the job look like fun to con us in to joining up. Too late for me I'd already decided by then anyway.
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Re: Gun on a gun?!
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2020, 10:55:03 am »


When I was on an Army Cadet Force 'visit' to Germany in about 1967 we were taken to a range to see WOMBAT being fired. We were all shepherded carefully out of the way of the way of the 'back blast'.  Unfortunately nobody did the same for the tatty old Bedford Army bus we had travelled to the range in. The first round removed all the glass down one side, strangely enough it didn't break any of the glass, it just popped them out whole.


The Army being the Army we had a very draughty 20 mile trip back to Celle where we were staying.
Were you guests of 94 Locating Rgt RA?
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2020, 11:04:56 am »

Were you guests of 94 Locating Rgt RA?


We did visit 94 Loc among others. but we we were hosted on that occasion by 1 R. Anglian. As we were Suffolk ACF that was effectively our 'home' Bn.
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