Topic: Covid vaccination (Read 107362 times)

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #150 on:** January 29, 2021, 02:27:24 pm »

Redacted bits, whole sections 1 to 5.1 missing and who knows if we have all of 5.4. We certainly don't have 5.5 on. The bits that they have published do appear to support the EU view but then they would..............

Doesn't convince me of anything except their desperation to get vaccine.

We have no idea at all what is in the UK contract & it might well be wise to keep it that way as the EU probably doesn't know the full details either.

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #151 on:** January 30, 2021, 08:31:36 am »

Well what a mess the last 24hrs has been.

Clearly panic in the European Commission to deal with a problem that is largely of their own making.

The events of yesterday evening re Ireland are hard to believe.

Politicians (particularly Macron) are playing to the gallery as usual.

Have we ever been truly friends with the French as a nation or do we just tolerate each other (most of the time) and why do I like the individual French people that I know despite this?

What a pity so much of our food and other trade is through French ports.

Baldrick · « **Reply #152 on:** January 30, 2021, 09:33:50 am »

I wondered when the froggies would seek retribution for Mers El Kebir.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #153 on:** January 30, 2021, 09:44:15 am »

Yes, Macron is behind a lot of this. He is unpopular in France and up for election soon and it is by no means certain things will go his way so he needs to throw his weight around a bit. He is also feeling humiliated that the French vaccine that he backed has turned out to be a non starter and the French company is going to manufacture (or bottle) the Pfizer vaccine instead. It's all an affront to La Belle France in his eyes so now he is trying to rubbish use of the Astrazeneca vaccine for the over 60s with his wild statements. 'Take that! Perfidious Albion!'

It was Macron's unltateral action in closing the border with the UK that brought about the lorry crisis just before Christmas. The rest of the EU forced him to back off.

It's bad when one man's ego can have so much malign influence.

In any event, the French are very suspicious of vaccines as a nation. They prefer remedies that can be inserted where the sun don't shine.

Colin

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #154 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:05:27 am »

All this is a wonderful example of why I don't like politicians and treat everything that they say as at best a half truth.

Boris has lots of a British made/developed vaccine so you can guarantee that he is going to tell us that it is wonderful (nearly as wonderful as customs forms).

Macron has a lot of demand but no French vaccine and very little British Vaccine so he is going to rubbish the British vaccine and praise the Pfizer vaccine that he soon hopes to have some of.

They are both following one of the permanent politicians rules "Never let the facts get in the way of a story that you want to sell".

Baldrick · « **Reply #155 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:10:52 am »

Interesting that around the world there are now , apart from the 5 proven vaccines in deployment 236 other vaccines in development.
171 in pre-clinical trials
19 in stage 1 small scale safety trials
25 in stage 2 expanded safety trials
21 in stage 3 wider testing and efficacy assessment

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #156 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:11:44 am »

This is becoming rather political, so please keep the forum guidelines in mind.

Peter Fitness, moderator.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #157 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:17:55 am »

Is French politics OK Peter? It's a national UK pastime.

Colin

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #158 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:36:29 am »

Peter

The tricky bit is how do you discuss something where the narrative is being dictated by politicians without being told it is political?

This is not party political but rather trying to sort the lies from the half truths and from the nearly truths.

There seems to have been a real effort by some Europeans to diminish the Oxford vaccine which is of enormous concern to most of us on the forum who will be, or already have, received it.

I don't know how big a story this is in Australia but it is enormous here.

Having said all that I hear what you are saying & I apologise if I have gone too near the line

derekwarner · « **Reply #159 on:** January 30, 2021, 01:37:41 pm »

Yes, our Media in OZ has just picked up the ball being 'the supply of the main two manufacturers product', when low & behold Johnson&Johnson are today reported as able to supply a one-shot jab that is ~~60% OK

[thanks for the correction Colin.....I have revised this with some other comments

I somehow think the ~~Astra~~ Pfizer blend which requires -70C storage will not really be suitable to our Australian temperatures & environmental distances between facilities that can maintain such storage.....

There is also reported which cost differential between the two main contenders [it is also the Oxford varient that is 1/8 ?? the cost of Pfizer]

I understand our Moderator Peters direction to keep Politics out, however it is really a little difficult to express our views with the questionable statements [lies & 1/2 truths] being sprouted by the Politicians.......my faith of fact is still Dr Norman Swan

We in [OZ] are also rather fortunate that it is now 10 days of ZERO 'new' case of COVID-19 was found & reported...having said this Indonesia is only a rifle shot away from Darwin, & the Indonesians have reported 1,000,000+ cases of COVID infections & ~~30,000- deaths?]

On a personal note, we have recently achieved the process in having our Illawarra Live Steamers registered as Holders of a COVID Safety Plan

...and I would prefer not to comment further

Derek

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #160 on:** January 30, 2021, 01:45:34 pm »

Derek, it is the Pfizer vaccine that requires deep freeze, the Astrazeneca one can be kept in the fridge with the beer.

Colin

Baldrick · « **Reply #161 on:** January 30, 2021, 02:25:29 pm »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on January 30, 2021, 10:17:55 am

Is French politics OK Peter? It's a national UK pastime.

Colin

After all we call them froggies (Frogs) ! they call us les rostbeefs

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #162 on:** January 30, 2021, 09:58:11 pm »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on January 30, 2021, 10:17:55 am

Is French politics OK Peter? It's a national UK pastime.

Colin

I realise that Colin, as long as a modicum of decorum is maintained

As Derek Warner mentioned, we're very aware of the situation here, and the EU's seemingly dog in the manger attitude towards releasing vaccine supplies to countries outside the Union.

Peter.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #163 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:10:29 pm »

But of course Peter! In the meantime things seem to have calmed down a bit thankfully.

I love France and have always found the people very friendly during our numerous visits over the years but I don't think their politicians really like us very much. Too much top level rivalry perhaps, although they do seem to appreciate our military support in a Europe which, other than them and us, is in a rather weak state to say the least. It is a complicated relationship and always has been.

Colin

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #164 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:28:05 pm »

The political relationship between Britain and France seems very similar to that between New South Wales and Queensland. Queensland was proclaimed a colony separate from NSW in 1959, and have been trying to prove their superiority to us ever since. With the exception of Rugby League they haven't yet succeeded

I love the people of Queensland, it's just their politicians and journalists I dislike

Peter.

frazer heslop · « **Reply #165 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:46:41 pm »

The BMA and the Lancet are open sourced for anything Covid related at the moment. Including information on the new protein Not a bad pay per jab.
Mamma always said Politicians are like babies nappies.
Keep well and safe
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00258-0/fulltext
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-programme

jaymac · « **Reply #166 on:** January 30, 2021, 10:48:25 pm »

Except that relationship has been going on since before you lot even existed no comparison

BrianB6 · « **Reply #167 on:** January 31, 2021, 03:38:01 am »

Quote from: jaymac on January 30, 2021, 10:48:25 pm

Except that relationship has been going on since before you lot even existed no comparison

At least 4500 years!

Since the 'Beaker people' invaded.

Plastic - RIP · « **Reply #168 on:** January 31, 2021, 07:03:28 am »

Quote from: frazer heslop on January 30, 2021, 10:46:41 pm

Mamma always said Politicians are like babies nappies.

Yes - they stink , they're full of crap and need changing often.

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #169 on:** January 31, 2021, 12:08:44 pm »

Very interesting article on how effective is one dose of vaccine.

Summary: Much better than nothing but don't rely on it. It should help the NHS but it won't guarantee that you are safe.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-effective-is-a-single-vaccine-dose

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #170 on:** January 31, 2021, 12:44:23 pm »

Yes, an interesting article but I agree with you that it will be a while before we are out of the wood yet. Hopefully things will become clearer once the effects of the current vaccination programme are felt and more data is available. In the meantime we have not renewed our travel insurance for this year!

Obviously it is also very important to establish whether, if you still become infected after just one jab, the severity of the disease is reduced. If so, and with the new treatments now being used and tested, the death and seriously ill rates might come down considerably.

A lot of people seem to be regarding the vaccination as a 'get out of jail free' card but it's nothing of the sort. Some implications for the suggested 'vaccination passports' there I think.

Colin

Liverbudgie2 · « **Reply #171 on:** January 31, 2021, 01:09:15 pm »

I go for my stabbining in an hours time - just thought you would like to know.

LB

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #172 on:** January 31, 2021, 01:35:21 pm »

I am interested to know what is going to happen when the 12 weeks 2nd doses become due. Unless they can ramp up vaccination numbers there won't be any slots available for 1st doses for 12 weeks until the backlog is cleared.

Unless they extend the 12 weeks......................................

I haven't seen any suggestion that we will be getting lots more doses available by April/May. As the 2nd dose is supposed to be the same vaccine as the first 1st time recipients April - June might be getting different vaccines to those currently being given.

Pure speculation but, I think, interesting.

LB
I hope that it goes well for you. Remember that it appears that don't get any protection for around 3 weeks.

Colin
We haven't renewed our travel insurance either. Actually we need a new provider as our previous insurer, BUPA, has left the travel medical insurance market.

Liverbudgie2 · « **Reply #173 on:** January 31, 2021, 02:44:04 pm »

First stabbing complete was first one in - next one in twelve weeks; final year student did the job and we had a chat about marine photography while he was doing it.

LB

jaymac · « **Reply #174 on:** January 31, 2021, 03:46:37 pm »

Quote from: Liverbudgie2 on January 31, 2021, 02:44:04 pm

First stabbing complete was first one in - next one in twelve weeks; final year student did the job and we had a chat about marine photography while he was doing it.

LB

Did he mention anything about a Negative result

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