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Tribute engine
« on: January 11, 2022, 08:51:52 pm »

Hi I have a TRIBUTE v 4 steam engine never used i am wondering what size steam prop it would run ,regards Allan , btw if anyone dose not know this engine its a tribute to the saito v4 steam engine .
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2022, 09:41:10 pm »

Hi, the Tribute is a lovely engine, I too am trying to find the best size prop to allow the Tribute engine to rev freely. I am hoping to get to the lake later this week to try a 3 blade 50mm prop to see if the performance (boat speed) is better with the 3 blade, than with a 4 blade 60mm steam prop. Here is a link to my tribute engine running on steam. The reason for wanting the engine to Reve freely is to celebrate the engine, to use its max power which is at high rpm and to enjoy the wonder of the engineering that went into creating this jewel of an engine. Will up date you on progress, but your prop choice is going to be trial and error it will depend on the hull length size and weight, I wish you well with your project.

https://youtu.be/6EoldCmzk7A
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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 09:56:59 pm »

Bonjour,
I am also a happy owner of this machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWyr9kCE3g and as you can see, it is already very fast with less than 15 PSI of working pressure.
My friend Eric has the original Saito and coupled it to a 55 mm 3 blades steam propeller : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOw7EjkIg9E&t=218s
Working pressure around 15-20 PSI and cold weather !
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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2022, 11:02:49 pm »

Thanks for the replies it is a lovely engine and you have given me some useful information and the engineering is absolutely superb.
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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2022, 09:30:08 am »


Hello!
What I know...The TRIBUTE engine is a replica of the Saïto V4 PR  .It was built by David Tracy with a small number of copies. I doubt there were more than a dozen made.David is an excellent engineer who manufactures lots of complicated stuff like the hydraulic circuit of Jaguar (i.e) automatic gearboxes. Sometimes these engineers are surprising and their imagination is limitless! Their masochyst side too!He got permission from Saito to reproduce it and that’s why he called it: TRIBUTE.
The originality of this machine comes from the fact that it allows the reverse by rotating a cylinder around the piston valve.(see attached diagram).

DS88, if I may make a suggestion; it’s  to disconnect the crankcase vent line from  the steam exhaust.This engine has a dry crankcase and steam leaks around the pistons. This generates a pressure that is lower than the one of the cylinder exhaust line.  It creates a counter pressure  that reduces the performances. You can connect this vent line directly into the oilers. It allows to gain RPM's and power.The difference with a Stuart (i.e: SUN) is that the crankshaft of the Stuart bathes in oil and thus allows a better sealing between the HP/steam side and the crankshaft box .
This engine called «carré» (in French) = short stroke is made to rev up  but has no torque. Also the propeller must be small = less than 50 mm and with a low pitch. Obviously the boat must be thin and light. It is made to draw long fast lines on the water and is bad in manoeuvring. Think of a good light boiler  .The ideal for this engine is the controllable-pitch propeller.

Also , as the reverse is made through these outlets by rotating them , you can connect the exhaust manifold through push/pull quick coupling. or simply the exhaust pipe with a thin O'ring around and sliced into the exhaust pipe. There is no pressure left at this side (if it is not plugged in :embarrassed: )

I hope I haven’t said too much scraps and if anyone has more  information , I will be happy to know them for  my book!Sincerely!


Ps: -Miles Newlin can tell us more about this engine history.
      - Between you and I , I prefer the manufacturing quality of the Tribute than the original one ….

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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2022, 01:20:22 pm »




A video of a true Tribute :
[size=78%]https://youtu.be/xFa9_pOKqyo[/size] ok2

For info & out of subject, here is another engine made by David Tracy : V-Quad !Excellent work and performances:Some more coming later.

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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2022, 04:58:43 pm »

For the prop size to go with steam engines its normal practice to have a large prop with a steep pitch, my understanding of the reasons for this is that steam engines torque is higher at low revs and second but more important in model boats is that with the engine turning over slowly the available steam will last longer - increased run time on the water.
So why depart from that rule of thumb with this engine?
Well unusually, the power curve for this engine is available, indicating max power at 2bar at 3700rpm, so my objective is to find a prop that will allow the engine to rev to that level so that the engine is being used at its maximum - the aim is not to conserve steam or to run for a long time, the aim is to celebrate the power and glory of this wonderful masterpiece of steam engineering. Lets remember this is a 2.5cc V 4 engine, each cylinder is just 0.6cc - thats just mind-blowing.
Thank you to KBIO for providing the additional information and for the suggestion re letting the sump vent to fresh air to ensure that back pressure is not limiting the rpm.
Here then is the performance data for the Saito V4PR Engine taken from page two of the instructions - I think its fair to assume that the performance of the Tribute engine is likely to be at least as good as the Saito V4PR's
Also included is a photo that better shows off the exquisite alumininium exhaust manifold - just marvel at the work that has gone into producing it.
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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2022, 09:44:09 pm »

Here is a link to a video of a Tribute powered boat that runs well but the prop is not allowing the engine to achieve the higher engine revs https://youtu.be/R-ilRb4AVpA

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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2022, 08:23:17 pm »

Piperclub apologies if I have provided too much information on what is after all your thread. I did run the tribute engine today in a boat called Quadriga in honour of the engine. I ran it with a 50mm 3 blade prop and it ran well. It was the first time I have run this boat properly. I planned to run it twice today, first to see how it went then second to make some changes but it was cold and misty, zero degrees and other things were going on so I went for coffee to warm up and the second run didn't happen. Here is a link to a video of it running, I handed the controls to another person so I could film it. https://youtu.be/XNYl6xvvj0E I will run it again soon and experiment with other smaller prop sizes.
           
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Re: Tribute engine
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2022, 10:55:45 am »

No need to apologise I'm finding all the information very very useful ,I purchased  the engine from David Tracy several years ago and its been sat in the drawer long enough I'm planning to put in a custom launch I'm on with at the moment but thanks I'm really enjoying the thread ,regards Allan
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