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barryfoote

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Lining the Bulwarks
« on: January 05, 2008, 02:17:39 pm »

Sorry, but I am about to show my ignorance again!!!

I am building a 1/32nd scale Tug, circa 1900, based on an MMM grp hull. Obviously the inside of the bulwarks is just rough fibreglass. What do you use to line it if anything. Also how do you ensure the lining adheres properly.

Sorry to be a nuisance but I have racked my brains and non of my solutions seem right.

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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 02:27:00 pm »

barry

 i read some where on here that you can use p-38  body filler.
here in the states we call it bondo. spred out a thin layer and sand smooth
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 02:48:23 pm »

hi there Footski

What people normally do with the inside of the bulwarks is to cut out all your freeing port openings first; plus your fair lead openings; then, on the inside smooth as much as you can of the fibre glass matting out, with a coarse sand-paper or emery paper.  Then, as Bigford has said, a thin layer of car body filler applied and that then smoothed out - finishing off with wet n dry.

Hope this is of some help.

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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 02:56:20 pm »

Bluebird's solution is the most commonly used and works fine. But because I'm lazy and don't like rubbing down, I have been experimenting with lining the inside of the bulwarks on my Dean's Medea with 1/64th (1mm) birch ply which has been quite successful. Just cut to shape and stick on with epoxy or even contact adhesive. Then a coat or two of sanding sealer and you have a nice even surface for painting. One advantage of this method is that it helps bridge any irregularities in the thickness of the bulwarks which you commonly find with glassfibre hulls. It's easier than trying to rub down filler to a uniform thickness i have found.

Just an idea anyway..

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 03:12:27 pm »

OK - here's my method, passed on by Dave Boden of the Nottingham Club and shown to him by the late Phil Plater:
Grind and sand off all the high spots from the GRP and fill any large gaps or depressions with P38. Sand smooth and remove all traces of dust. Cut card templates of the inside of the bulwarks, to fit neatly along the line where the bulwarks meet the deck. Transfer the shapes to 0.5mm plasticard and cut out, leaving a surplus strip above the top edge for trimming back. Apply a VERY THIN smear of Evostick Impact (the smelly brown solvent-based one) to the inside surface of the bulwarks and the plasticard lining. If you put too much on at once you'll distort the GRP or plasticard; I apply a small dollop about the size of a 5p piece and smear it out straight away with my finger. Keep applying these smears until you've covered the surface evenly, then allow the Evostick to dry (about ten minutes). Carefully place the lining over the GRP, ensuring it lines up properly, then press it into place, working from the middle to the ends. Once it's all in position, give the combined bulwark and lining a good squeeze all over between finger and thumb to make sure there are no bubbles under the plastic. Finally trim the plastic back to the top of the GRP bulwark edges.
This method is used on all of my own Model Slipway models. It also has the advantage of allowing you to fit the bulwark supports and capping using liquid polystyrene glue, which I find much more forgiving than superglue.
Works for me every time, but suit yourself.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 04:49:19 pm »

I'm afraid I am nowhere near as sophisticated as lining the bulwarks.  I simply apply a dollop of P-38, spread it around, and rub it down smooth afterwards.  I agree that it is not a perfect finish but for my coaster I am specifically after a more natural finish.  The insides of the bulwarks of such ships were far from regular and the paint finish was as a result of many years of painting over old paint and rust giving an end result that was far from even and regular.

I therefore do not want the insides to look too perfect so my own finish is a bit closer to what I am after.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 06:58:00 pm »

Why not try putting the bulwarks in as a seperate item? They do not need to be excessivley strong/robust in normal conditions. I have found that a layer of thin "plasticard" on both sides of a 1/32" ply former stands the test of time. (20 years in one example).
Bulwarks are fastened to the sheerstrake with an angle bracket (strip) on the inside of the sheerstrake. Makes for a good connection to the hull and deck. It beats me why kit manufacturers mould in the bulwarks in the first place.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 07:06:50 pm »

Second thoughts, If you already have "rough" inside surfaces you can still stick on a thin plasticard overlay and re-inforce it with the bulwark stays. Beats trying to smooth down a rough surface.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 07:19:48 pm »

Fellas,

Thank you very much. I am now armed with plenty of info. I will give it some thought and let you know which way I decide.

Don't know what we would do without you experts out there.

Barry
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2008, 10:46:07 pm »

Hi Footski,
I'm with FLJ on this. Though I dont go quite as far. I smooth down the fibreglass, clean up and leave it at that, more than enough bonding surface (dont forget to wipe it clean). I use a form of evo stick called timebond (blue tin) You've got more time to play and get your plastic card in the right place.

Enjoy
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 10:16:20 am »

Footski,

The instructions on my Model Slipway Vliestroom state line the bulwarks with plasticard glued with contact adhesive. This will provide you with a smooth surface with the minimum of preparation.

WARNING, certain contact adhesives will attack plasticard so experiment with test pieces first before glueing to the bulwarks.  I'm currently using Evo-Stick Serious Glue. Its £5 a tube but will stick anything to anything. (Takes 24hrs to cure).

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2008, 10:39:39 am »

WARNING, certain contact adhesives will attack plasticard so experiment with test pieces first before glueing to the bulwarks.  I'm currently using Evo-Stick Serious Glue. Its £5 a tube but will stick anything to anything. (Takes 24hrs to cure).
Terry
I'll second that warning; use a thin smear only. Is it really called "Serious Glue"? I'll have to try some of that stuff. Maybe the bloke who writes the instructions for The Model Slipway would like to know about it as well.............. ;)
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2008, 11:43:14 am »

FLJ,

Yeah, I must be on my 3rd tube now. Dries clear, no pungent smell, nothing to mix. I stuck down a plastic cased mini amp on the inside of my pusher tug (plywood), but its surplus to requirement and I cant get it back out !!  Also its waterproof and works from - 30 degrees C to + 130 degrees C.

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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2008, 01:01:19 pm »

Hy Faradays Cage  (Terry)
I have been looking for a glue that will stick Foamex, without to much sucsess, Can you tell me where I can get hold of the glue you mention. I have,nt seen it in any of the shops.
Many Thanks
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2008, 01:13:36 pm »

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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2008, 01:30:44 pm »

Thankyou Colin
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2008, 02:01:45 pm »

Got mine from B & Q and I've seen it on the screwfix site.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2008, 10:01:15 pm »

Hy Faradays Cage  (Terry)
I have been looking for a glue that will stick Foamex, without to much sucsess, Can you tell me where I can get hold of the glue you mention. I have,nt seen it in any of the shops.
Many Thanks
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Showing ignorance...what is "Foamex"? Never heard of it before.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2008, 12:11:50 am »

Hy Brian.
Foamex,,, is a type of plastic sheet that is used mostly by signwriters and the exhibition industry. They use it for sticking vynil lettering to, and as partition type walling at the big exhibitions
I believe it is based on vynil, hence the difficulty in getting it to glue. It is a very thin foam sandwiched between very thin plastic,  think liteply but in a plastic form, and starting at about 1/8 thick
Blazing Penquin says how he works it on the thread in General Hints and Tips, under crane barge.
hope this helps
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2008, 10:58:10 pm »

Hy Brian.
Foamex,,, is a type of plastic sheet that is used mostly by signwriters and the exhibition industry. They use it for sticking vynil lettering to, and as partition type walling at the big exhibitions
I believe it is based on vynil, hence the difficulty in getting it to glue. It is a very thin foam sandwiched between very thin plastic,  think liteply but in a plastic form, and starting at about 1/8 thick
Blazing Penquin says how he works it on the thread in General Hints and Tips, under crane barge.
hope this helps
Bosun
Thanks for the reply. Do I understand that it does not like being bent or formed in any way? Cheers. BY.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2008, 12:03:38 am »

HY Brian
Bending Foamex isnt a problem, it will bend into a fairlly tight circle, it cuts easily and and will take acrylic paints with ease after a little bit of a rubdown.
It is  also easy to work when at room temp or warmer, however it does,nt like to be really cold, that is below freezing, it can then get a bit brittle, but that would only be a concern with large area,s.
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Re: Lining the Bulwarks
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2008, 12:03:44 am »

Back to bulwark finishing, here is one that I happen to be working on right now.  The P-38 does give a smooth finish and it is relatively easy to work and sand down.
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