Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: GaryM on May 30, 2008, 09:34:05 pm
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Although a noob to modeling and only ¼ way through my Marie Felling build, I'm planning ahead to my second build.
I'm into big working boats and wondered if anyone had any suggestions.
Marie Felling is 43½" x 11½" 1:32 scale, I think 50"+ and same (ish) scale would be OK, I've had a brief look around the shop sites but nothing seems to measure up.
I did see some warships, barges and yachts of size but I'm not really into them - Yet!
regards
Gary :)
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TUG!
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Yes, Yes, Yes! O0
Any ideas as to which one, I will try the sites again, I DO like TUGS, I really do like them :)
regards
Gary
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some radical ideas here:
http://www.shipsandoil.com/ShipInformation/Groupe%20Bourbon/Groupe%20Bourbon.htm
I have already approached Bourbon, and the shipyard, Ulstein, for plans for the Orca, but neither will release them, so, I am working on my own plans!
Ian
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mmm what tugs do you like????
Mobile Marine Models have plenty of BIG tugs that are rather nice looking.
Jay
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Thanks Ian and Jay.
I'll have a look, every tug I've so far seen I've liked (kits and photos) there just so........
regards
Gary :)
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Gary,
If you go for a modern tug the hull forms on some are fairly simple to allow for mass production.
Make your own hull at ANY size.
Most modern hulls are made out of as few pieces of steel as possible so you can usually use ply sheet and ply frames.
Bob
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The "Bourbon Dolphin" looks good, as do the rest - unusual bow shape.
Could you keep us informed on your progress with your plans?
The "Brackengarth" looks real good too, both real meaty and the business.
regards
Gary :)
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Hi Gary, do you fancy a change from a tug, cos I have something big and I mean big.
NO NOT THAT, as my missus would vouch for, but a model, and I mean big, and plenty of scope for very good detailing.
it's a raised quarter deck twin hatch coaster and comes in at 82, YES 82 inches long.
It 's a semi kit from Fleetscale models ( see their web site) of the 1920's coaster Moygannon, and comes with brass fittings, resin winches and beautifull quaycraft ships boats. She really is a beauty and I have longed to build her for years.
HOWEVER, as they say the grass is always greener and I fancy buying the new Speedline Tamar lifeboat kit, but her who must be obeyed has said "if you want another kit you have to build one or sell one first.
Bah humbug.
If you are interested give me a pm with your email address and I'll get it out of the loft and take photos of it.
cheers,neil.
ps. you will be amazed at what is in the package, and believe me you could use it as a canoe. If you want BIG, then this is it!!! :D :o {-)
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Thanks Bob
That reminded me of a post, can't remember the Guy's name. (old creeping age)
He bought a kit or plans - one where you get the (sorry for not using the correct vernacular) hull framework -
(Like cutting a cucumber into 100 slices and leaving a gap of 2cm between each slice.)
He drew a line around each "slice" and the photo copied it at 150%, giving a larger template.
I would really like to build a boat around 50 - 60" - if I used this method would I have to replicate all of the fittings manually?
As I have said before, I'm a novice - only ¼ way through my Marie Felling Kit. Yet after seeing so many scratch built works of art, I would like to attempt one myself and with the support of the guys on this site I think I could just about do it.
regards
Gary :)
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gary
that could be me {-) smit rotterdam at 56'' long
at 1/50 scale all my fittings are store bought robbe,billings and any other make i need
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug031Small.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug030Small.jpg)
a few things to remember the billings rotterdam cost me $300.00 u.s.d
then all the tools i needed(scroll saw,sander,circuler saw, new dermel i killed the old one)
what i thought would be a easy thing has been on going for 6 months and cost me almost
a $700.00 to date and this is what she looks like as of today
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/tug034Small.jpg)
the happy hunter is 40'' long
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How about scaling up a TID?
Mine is scaled to 1/19 (c.44" long) but since the hull is relatively easy to scratch build, the choice of size is yours.
Don't ask why 1/19, I'm sure it was a good idea at the time.
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Gary,
If you go to a recognised scale there will be fittings available.
If you went from say 1/48 to 1/24 there are fittings available but you would still have to scratch build some ship specific ones.
One problem I can see is launching her.
At about the length you are talking about for a workboat you will need an awful lot of ballast to get her down.
Bob
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Thanks Bigford, yes you are the one, sorry I forgot your name. :embarrassed:
Thanks Mrsgoggins and Bob. :)
I fancy having a go like Bigford has done, it will probably be winter time but if I do some research now it will be clear in my mind and I can plan accordingly.
A good idea keeping it to scale, as my modeling abilities are limited, yet the butterfly's in my stomach say go for it.
thanks guys and gals
regards
Gary :)
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Try that fire boat on Bunkerbarge's post of his Norway fjord trip! A bit like a ST Knud with fire monitors and a boat deck!
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Will do O0
Gary :)
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Why not a 1930s steam trawler? If you want to scratch build I have a set of plans and description of "Bayflower". Any print shop will scale the drawings to whatever size you wish...or you can just double the size yourself to give a 50" long ship. Weighs about 50lb when ballasted. There is a pic of it somewhere on this forum. Bryan Y.
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Thanks Bryan :)
I'll search out the photo.
regards
Gary
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Bayflower here. O0
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3084.0
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Thanks Richard O0
Gary :)
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I really like the "Bayflower", I'm building the "Marie Felling" which is slightly similar in that they are both steam tugs and built around the same time. (Bayflower 1933 and Marie Felling 1928)
regards
Gary :)
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Bayflower is a steam trawler Gary. ;)
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woops! :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
;D ;D ;D
I still love it. :)
Gary
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Hi ya there Gary M
If you have a look at Advanced plan for beginners, theCervia build, this is a plan for a tug. Quite simple build, being plank on frame and if you doubled the size of the plan; this would give you a model of some 48 - 50 inches in size.
If you have a look under Ron1's postings, Ron build the Cervia at the 'double scale' he used MacGregor plans I believe, but, no doubt if you send Ron1 a personal message, he can help you out on that.
aye
john e
bluebird
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Ron1's boat. O0
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8165.0
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Thanks John and Richard
She certainly looks good, the first shot of Ron1's Cervia looks awesome and about the right size.
I have a few excellent idea's to think over, I don't want to put anyone to any trouble at the moment as my minds not made yet, I would like to try them all, and perhaps I will, (God willing)
regards
Gary :)
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Graupner Altona? big'ish steam launch thingy
1300 something long over 300 wide, 18ish kg weight i think, looks rather sexy and can be run on the new steam power plant or 900bb motor, works out about £500/550 with the fittings and everything :) iv never seen a build for one or any pics of someone owning one O0
all the best
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Thanks Offshore1987 O0
I'll have a look
regards
Gary :)
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I think the Altona may have been discontinued, I had a look on the Grupner site but couldn't see it, mind you I sometimes can't see my hand in front of my face! :embarrassed:
I'll try the shops, maybe lucky.
regards
Gary :)
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still for sale i think, my model shop can get them
Its on the front of the Graupner model book 2007 :) As new for 2007
All the best
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Sorry it's a crap pic[taken on my mobile phone of a photo]but this was my attempt at a big boat..a 1/35th scale Type 1X minelayer, the U-117. Made from MAP plans and then just double sized, all plank on frame with solid pine bow and stern sections for strength. It was a tad under nine feet long and weighed nearly three hundredweight ready to go...the words 'white elephant' spring to mind. ::)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/sweeperdriver/DSC00041.jpg)
A young John Stevens is holding Bernie Wood's Darnell type X11c as a comparision....
Cheers,
Rich
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Now that is BIG!
Did you manage to get her in the water, any more photo's?
regards
Gary :)
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I think the Altona may have been discontinued, I had a look on the Grupner site but couldn't see it, mind you I sometimes can't see my hand in front of my face! :embarrassed:
I'll try the shops, maybe lucky.
regards
Gary :)
Graupner Altona. https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=2146
Fittings set. https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AA?wgr=2218
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Scale up a TID indeed!!!.....who would do such a thing? Tut, tut, tut! O0
Google 'Bad Bills Boatyard' for pics (please remove if classed as link Martin)
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Now that is BIG!
Did you manage to get her in the water, any more photo's?
regards
Gary :)
Here you are Gary, a couple more...
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/sweeperdriver/DSC00044.jpg)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/sweeperdriver/DSC00045.jpg)
U-117 made her debut at Plumpton Model Show back in the late eighties, her second mission was at Derby at the AMS day there, she was on display and won a couple of trophies at Bewl Water in Kent at a model boat day, and she sailed a few times at Princes Park Lake in Eastbourne, but in the end common sense and my back muscles took over and I sold her and bought another Darnell sub.
She always suffered from a leaky radio box, no matter what I did I could not keep the water out! Where it got in I never did find out, most strange it was.
Cheers,
Rich
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Hi Gary
Here are some drawings '' off the Cosmos 2 website ''..... http://www.cosmos2.bravehost.com
Although Cosmos 2 has already been done , I see there was a plan drawn up for Cosmos 3
Also there are some other ( way over the top ) huge private mega yacht ideas for you .
Below Cosmos III ( 3 )
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/2549843230_0d3200221c_o.jpg)
Below is the original drawings for Cosmos 2 ( with blacked out windows )
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/2549843140_cf3b918563_o.jpg)
A 130 ft Hargraves Style design Drawn in the 80's . Never built
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3104/2549000245_ba36bf1f57_o.jpg)
And finally below are 3 crazy over sized Motor yachts . :D
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/2549022645_077268784d_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/2549015807_651f7b77fa_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2547449603_c4b3446886_o.jpg)
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Cut'n'Paste is a wonderful thing eh?
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heres a few plans and a nice one of an offshore tug the Hermes too ,you could scale it to any size you like ?.
http://www.john-tom.com/RcShip/RCship.html (http://www.john-tom.com/RcShip/RCship.html)
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hi i think the ironsider tug is as about as big as you can Carrie lovely boat Ive one with 100mm prop plenty powerfull
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Thanks Richard - I can't see for looking! :embarrassed:
Thanks HoverCrane, BlazingPenguin, Martno1fan and Tomo 1, plenty to consider. Theres gotta be a lot of power to actually tow a guy in a dingy! :o
Apologies for not replying earlier - I've been up to Yorkshire for a few days.
Tomo 1 100mm prop! What's her other measurement's?
Thanks again guys
Gary :)
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gary
what are you willing to do to build a big boat? i mean do you have a pick up truck or trailer?
my robbe happy hunter is only 40'' long but it wont fit in a toyota celica :'( i tried
same thing for the 56'' smit rotterdam. heres a pic of a seven foot rotterdam
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/IMG_66757footrotterdam.jpg)
and here is a six or seven foot happy hunter
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/bigasshunter.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/71867864.jpg)
transporting these BIG boats will be the biggest problem
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hi Gary bow to stern 49+inch's Ive got one of the motors that run the freezer on the small delivery vans through a court nozzle with rudder tows me round lake in row boat
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Wicked!! ;D
Gary :)