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Title: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on July 18, 2008, 06:07:13 pm
Have just started this Caldercraft Kit having had to get delivery of a new hull to replace the damaged one in the box.

This kit is going to take sometime as the old breathing hasn't been to good lately and the glues dust etc are affecting me badly.

Have trimmed the top of the hull.

Fitted an oiling tube to the prop shaft and fixed the prop shaft.

Fixed the rudder and servo and waterproofed where necerssary.

Fixed the motor, a Graupner Speed 500 which might be to powerful

Wired up the Viper 15 Esc, the battery and the Rx temporarily just to make sure it all works. O0

Sigh of relief, works a treat.

Thats all for now, don't hold your breath for the next installment.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: offshore1987 on July 18, 2008, 07:27:34 pm
Looking good is that mate :)

Cant wait for the updates

All the best
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on July 18, 2008, 09:22:35 pm
Richard,

Milford Star is a lovely model and was originally designed by Frank Hinchliffe who I had the pleasure of knowing many years ago...

Keep posting the pictures so we can follow your progress, but watch that breathing lark.....It tends to be quite important you know O0
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Stavros on July 19, 2008, 12:12:56 am
Richard sorry to hear about you trouble with your chest etc BUT I think I might have a master plan so to speak,and NO I am not taking the preverbial here.I know it might sound a daft idea BUT how about an Air fed mask supplied from a compressor,OK it is a drastic step to take BUT might be worth considering.Yes Richard I know it is expensive and th compressor would HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE your shed or you would poison youself but even I would not want that!!! WELL ! no seriously it might be an option.I have enclosed so to speak a link to the 3m web catalogue,there are others available try your local motor factors or even machine mart.

Stavros

http://3m.richfx.com.edgesuite.net/catalog/media/3M_UK_ProductDirectory/?rfx_page=18
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Proteus on July 19, 2008, 12:26:21 am
Dickey I appreciate that you have a bad chest but you may find it is only when you get the consentrated vapour that its bad i use a desk fan to pull air from the window to push the air out of my face that has any vapour or dust, it just cuts it down a bit may enable you to carry on , I tried a carbon mask and an air shield helmet , I would stop modeling before I would use them again.


Proteus

Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on July 19, 2008, 10:18:50 am
Stavros thanks for the information, unfortunately I am saving for a stairlift at the moment so money is a bit tight.

I'm assuming you didn't actually mean what you said, and I quote "or you would poison youself but even I would not want that!!! WELL ! no seriously it might be an option."

 ;) O0

Proteus as you say when you have emphysema the last thing you want is an ordinary mask over your mouth. I do however have the desk fan which is constantly on. O0

Thanks all for your comments.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 19, 2008, 11:46:20 am
DickyD,
is there no way you could rig up a small fold away bench OUTSIDE your shed.
Then on the one or two sunny days you could work outside and give the neighbours the treat of seeing you work!!!   ;)

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: John W E on July 19, 2008, 12:10:06 pm
 O0

What a lot of people dont realise though is not only do you get shortness of breath with emphysema - you also have a lack of energy - it is like having lead weights on your arms and legs - and sometimes just to move is such an effort.   Nuff of the self-pity now for the Micky out of Dicky  {-) I know he can take it - cos he doesnt half give me some stick.   Shipmate, be careful, WORK is a threatening word to our Dicky  {-) {-) {-) are you sure you want the neighbours to be subjected to such an ordeal.

Dicky having a look at the photograph of the first hull they sent to you.  To me, it looks as though there has been no glass matting behind the gelcoat - so that is why it looks such a clean break - easily repaired though mate.   Boom defence vessel next eh??????  {-)

Answer me this question next my friend - I know you will be following the instructions; but, doesnt it say to put some internal stiffening around the inside of the hull at deck level first?  and then some cross bracing to ensure that the hull is not distorted and then add your internals - e.g. motor and prop tube.   It does look a good build mate, it has got the old grey matter thinking for the next project.

aye
john e
bluebird
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 19, 2008, 12:21:04 pm
Wasnt there a recent thread about a GRP hull "springing" and without the stiffeners fitted the Deck wouldnt fit correctly.
Just a word of warning then Dicky, check the dimensions of the hull to the deck, then fit the stiffeners as Bluebird suggests.

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on July 19, 2008, 04:14:23 pm
OK you two, first off I dont want to frighten the neighbours or ruin my reputation by letting them see me work.

Secondly I have followed the instructions to the letter ( instructions  {-) {-) {-) )

Thirdly. ( Is there such a word as thirdly ?  :-\ ) I shall try the deck next before I go any further and then brace the hull. Although it is not mentioned in the notes.

Fourthly John, you should sleep at night and not spend all your time on here.  ;)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 19, 2008, 05:41:42 pm
DickyD,
2 things:

1, You actually HAVE a reputation with the neighbours, amazing!!  :angel:
2, I thought Instructions were only used when ALL ELSE had failed, a bit like asking for directions, you know a male thing!!  ::)

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Stavros on July 19, 2008, 07:47:50 pm
Duckyd you know I meant it in jest O0Yes I fully appreciate what you mena about a mask,BUT there are types that are similar to a grinding mask and the air comes down from the top, mof the mask so to speak and you don't have a pure mask over your face.keep up the good work


Stavros
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on July 20, 2008, 05:00:56 pm
Well I braced the hull as ordered by bluebird (chairman of the Dont Get Your Boat Wet Club ) and just as I knew it would, the deck fitted, Phew !!  ::)

Bit of a problem with the forecastle deck and bulkhead. There is 8mm difference in size on the edge where they join. Still what the hell, 40 odd years as a carpenter reckon I might be able to sort it out. Bad though, should not have happened. >>:-(

Might do some more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: FishdockBob on July 21, 2008, 12:11:24 am
Looking forward to watching your progress on this build DickyD. Being a newcomer to the hobby, and bias towards trawlers, fishing boats, It should be very educational to me. Also like you I have chest problems due to years of shotblasting and paint spraying in confined places (ships tanks etc). I have already discovered that I cannot use CA,s for more then a few mins or I have a very bad reaction with them and use aliphatic most of the time. Again I look forward to following your project good luck  O0



Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dash8man on July 26, 2008, 05:14:55 pm
Hi Richard,

    Hope your build of the Milford Star is going ok. Totally enjoying seeing your progress so far. I have an opportunity to buy this kit at a great price but was wondering what your overall opinion of the kit is? I know Caldercraft build Instructions can be skimpy and although I consider myself an avg. to intermediate builder, I do like good directions! ie. motor, servo and battery placements, etc.. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers.

Bill.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on July 26, 2008, 06:32:18 pm
Hi Bill
I haven't done much lately as I have not been well, or should I say I have been worse than usual.

The instructions for the kit are sparse to say the least.
You get one plan, not to scale.
You also get four drawings in the instructions  {-) one for the anchor winch, one for the trawl winch, one for the superstructure and one for the wheelhouse, these are all on one page, so first off I had to scan them and enlarge them so I could see them.
Positions of motors etc are shown on the not to scale drawing, but there are no dimensions.
There are also approximately one thousand white metal fittings that need cleaning up before you start.
I wiill say I have had one or two fittings missing, apart from the damaged hull to start with, and Jotika have replaced them all immediately with no problems.
Its not a kit for newbies and I would suspect that with the instructions you are given, no two will be the same.

Hopefully do some more soon, its not going to beat me. O0
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dash8man on July 26, 2008, 06:44:54 pm
Thanks for the info Richard. Hope you're feeling better real soon.  O0 Cheers.

Bill.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: GaryM on July 26, 2008, 11:23:19 pm
Hi Richard
My Marie Felling (Caldercraft) has the same draw backs as you have, plan not to scale etc.
Don't know why the can't re draw it to scale?

Hope you feel better
regards
Gary :)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dash8man on August 04, 2008, 05:41:18 am
Richard,

     Any hull profiles shown on the plans or in the instructions so a proper boat stand can be made for this ship? One of my pet peeves with certain manufacturers who don't show this. The build of the model is hard enough! Hope you're feeling better. Cheers.

Bill.

Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on August 04, 2008, 08:20:40 am
Sorry Bill there are no profiles supplied I'm afraid.
I am still housebound unfortunately.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on August 29, 2008, 05:10:13 pm
Managed to make it down to the shed for a couple of half days this week and managed to get most of the really dusty jobs done thank goodness.

I have sorted out the electrics and fixed the Rx and Esc in their final positions. This I did after fixing the deck as I want to know I can get at all the important things if I have to.

As I said I have fixed the deck after making it fit and filling where it didnt.

I then sealed the joint between deck and hull by pouring thinned down epoxy resin into the hull and tilting the hull so the resin ran round the edge.

I then had to cut out the washports. The instructions for setting these out start with " Measure from the stern at the front" Promising Eh ?

Figured it out in the end by using my "not to scale drawing with lots of bits omitted for clarity"

Why they dont just give you a box of bits and a couple of decent photographs is beyond me, you'd be better off.

Still not to be defeated, think I might have a go at the superstructure tomorrow. O0
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on August 29, 2008, 06:27:55 pm
Richard,

Excellent start amigo. I am so glad that you have managed to get some work done on her. Keep it going and keep the health going too......Most important that!!!

Any way while everyone is at Llanberis, you may as well get on with her...

Barry
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Weeds on August 29, 2008, 06:41:01 pm
that's a beautiful hull right there...
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: John W E on August 29, 2008, 08:10:54 pm
..... hello Marra .... glad to see you eventually got to your workshop or workshed.  How did you manage to cut your freeing ports out?   

Its looking really canny there mate...looking good.

aye
john
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on August 29, 2008, 08:15:14 pm
Drilled the corners and then used me Dremel angle grinder and a file to finish John. Dust nearly killed me. Still most of the real dust over now.
Next real problem will be the painting. :-\
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 30, 2008, 11:36:50 am

Dicky, that's real nice. Well done so far, it's coming on great.

ken
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on August 30, 2008, 01:43:46 pm
Thanks for the remarks guys, still struggling on. ;)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: polobeer on September 06, 2008, 11:51:12 am
Keep up the good work Richard. Will you finish the model in pristine condition or will you weather it (I know that this is jumping the gun a bit!)? Personally I think this model looks great when it's weathered and has a tatty look about it.

Cheers
Simon  ::)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: FishdockBob on September 06, 2008, 09:36:54 pm
Looking good Richard, looking forward to the next installment.  O0
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on September 06, 2008, 09:43:27 pm
Will do some more when and if I feel a bit better.
No Simon I dont intend it to be pristine.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: polobeer on September 07, 2008, 08:00:34 pm
The pristine look just doesn't seem to suit models like this (or tugs for that matter). In my view too many well built boat/ship models are let down by a lack of ageing and weathering. As I've said before in an earlier posting on weathering, as we all know the sea is very corrosive and coupled to the ravages of the elements, the pristine look of the newly launched boat/ship will soon start looking tatty with salt bloom, paint deterioration and finally rust. It is a very contentious subject and there is no right or wrong to either approach. Of course one major reason why many modellers do not weather their models is due to the sheer cost of the investment in terms of time and money, and the subsequent concern that a bad job may be made of the weathering process, thus ruining hours of work. And then there are those who just like to see models in showroom condition anyway.

Simon  ???
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 05:37:42 pm
Well I am back doing a little bit each day.

I have all the electrics installed.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 05:40:31 pm
A couple of photos to show what I am up against
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Stavros on December 04, 2008, 05:43:55 pm
Nice top see that you are back in the saddle :-))


Stavros
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 05:50:33 pm
All set up in my new work room thanks to my wifes hard work and our MP Alan Whitehead who managed to get the social services to supply me with a stairlift even though I am likely to live more than 6 months which is apparently their criteria if you were born and bred in this country and had never been out off work or drawn any benefits until you became terminally ill.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 05:51:26 pm
Nice top see that you are back in the saddle :-))


Stavros
Thanks for that Stavros
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 05:55:48 pm
Have painted the hull today.

Just what I needed, paint fumes.

Had to give up for the day after that.

On with the superstructure tomorrow
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dan on December 04, 2008, 05:59:01 pm
looking good dicky  :-)) cant wait to see it finished, how many hours have you spent on it so far any idea?
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 06:06:15 pm
Sorry I havent got a clue as I was not very well at the beginning and did nothing for several weeks.

I would say however that I would not recommend this kit to a novice, they would end up shooting themselves. {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: J.beazley on December 04, 2008, 06:12:04 pm
Come on Richard you know im only up the road and could of popped in to help with painting especially with your health >>:-( <*<

Besides that good to see your in the spare room and in from the cold, she is looking rather good in her new colours keep up the good work.

Jay :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on December 04, 2008, 06:12:57 pm
Richard,

I am absolutely delighted to see you back doing what comes so natural to you. Workroom looks great and the hull is coming on a treat.

All the very best amigo.

Barry
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 04, 2008, 06:21:18 pm
Looking good Richard. Obviously a case of "when all else fails DON'T read the instructions!"

Colin
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dan on December 04, 2008, 06:47:10 pm
Sorry I havent got a clue as I was not very well at the beginning and did nothing for several weeks.

I would say however that I would not recommend this kit to a novice, they would end up shooting themselves. {:-{
as long as your ok now that what matters. and i think that everyone has a time where they want to shoot themselves or throw their model out the window, in fact iv just walked away from my build as i was about to destroy it.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 04, 2008, 06:51:13 pm
An interesting question. Which is the most frustrating?

A kit that doesn't go together the way you think it should so you curse the manufacturer.

OR

A scratch built model which just doesn't seem to go right and you know it's all YOUR fault.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 04, 2008, 06:55:34 pm
Looking good Richard. Obviously a case of "when all else fails DON'T read the instructions!"

Colin
Instructions went in bin ages ago Colin.

The most frustrating is the kit that doesn't go as it should and you end up scratch building it. This is what I am doing at the moment. >>:-(
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 04, 2008, 07:12:04 pm
Snap!

But I think I'm winning on mine now. Hang in there!  :-))

Colin
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: John W E on December 04, 2008, 07:34:23 pm
woooo yeeeee me owld mate, your workshop looks canny there - and you arent doing too bad with that model either - you tell me you are struggling with it - and you have a picture on the wall of her - what more do you want?  %) ;) :-) :D :D :}

How are you going to explain yourself to the better half that you have used the ironing board to spray paint your model on  <*< <*<

Its looking canny mate, keep up the good work.

aye
john e
bluebird
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 05, 2008, 09:09:55 am
Doesn't everyone use the ironing board John ? {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: cbr900 on December 05, 2008, 12:40:26 pm
Richard,

Good to see your back at work mate, how do
you paint with your chest and not being able
to wear a mask.........

Roy
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 05, 2008, 01:38:01 pm
Not easy Roy. Painted it yesterday, breathing bad today, might be able to do a bit more later today, though not painting or gluing.

Should be fairly alright (for me that is) on Sunday.

Have to do a little at a time if I want it finished before I leave this mortal coil. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 05, 2008, 01:39:45 pm
Thanks to every one for their kind remarks. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 14, 2008, 07:27:36 pm
Havent done a lot lately as I have this cold bug that is doing the rounds lately.

Have made up several of the smaller parts, which is not very easy without dimensions or scale drawings.

Have constructed the water tanks, escape hatches and the main part off the superstructure .
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on December 14, 2008, 07:45:36 pm
Richard,
Glad to see your new workshop up and running.

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 20, 2008, 05:28:52 pm
Have done a little bit more.
Painted the main bulk of the superstructure and fixed doors and portholes and windows and stained the wheelhouse.
Fixed a few handrails and stanchions. I used brass for these and not the white metal ones supplied.
Made up the hatches, water tanks and fish pools.
Have started on the decking for the lifeboat position.
I still have hundreds of white metal items, god knows where they go. {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 20, 2008, 05:39:26 pm
Quote
I still have hundreds of white metal items, god knows where they go.

Are you soliciting suggestions Richard?   %%

Looking good so far though.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: dan on December 20, 2008, 07:54:12 pm
coming on nicely DickyD, can't wait to see it completed and on the water :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 30, 2008, 09:42:58 am
Done a little bit more since last time.

Made the funnel
Fixed handrail to bow section and main superstructure
Fixed hatches, water tanks, smoke stacks, fishpools, winches, vents and wheel house
Fixed sundry white metal fittings (loads left)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Brian_C on December 30, 2008, 10:01:48 am
 hi richard,,, shes looking very nice,  :-)) what did the wife say about the tiger striped ironing board  :}
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on December 30, 2008, 10:04:46 am
We dont talk about that Brian  ok2
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on December 30, 2008, 10:11:38 am
Looking good Dicky,
Nice job on the Ironing board too!!

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on December 30, 2008, 12:17:33 pm
it's the mole on the window sill that I'm worried about {-) {-) {-) %%
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Ghost in the shell on December 30, 2008, 12:49:52 pm
looks great DD:)

Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 06, 2009, 05:34:18 pm
Still plodding on.
Mainly making and fitting deck fittings.
The white metal fittings have nearly all gone (whether they are in the right place on the model is anyones guess).
They tell you to fix such and such but they dont tell you what it looks like, which if you work on or build trawlers is fine.
Unfortunately the nearest I have come to trawlers was when we used to load fish out of Mallaig at the end of the road to the isles.
Still waiting for some mast fittings that were missing from the kit so cant fit the masts yet.
Have still to phone John bluebird with some more queries if I can catch him awake  {-)
More to do tomorrow.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Roger in France on January 06, 2009, 06:01:32 pm
Going well, Richard. She is looking great.

I love her lines and have been very tempted to place her on my "To build" list. If I ever do build her I shall know where to come for advice.

Roger in France
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 11, 2009, 04:01:19 pm
Can anyone tell me how much ballast to get the Milford Star down to the water line ?

At the moment I am using 2 No 6V 4ah SLA batteries and I am about 1/2" to high at the bows although the stern is about right.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on January 11, 2009, 06:59:09 pm
Richard,

I reckon a couple of pounds of lead should do the trick...

Barry
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on January 11, 2009, 07:04:16 pm
Dicky,
Trim her slightly bow light. It will help to reduce the prop dragging in air and let her handle a bit better.

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 12, 2009, 11:59:30 am
Thanks guys, better get in touch with my plumber brother-in-law for some lead.  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 15, 2009, 10:05:08 am
Have had to shelve this model as I am still waiting for the white metal mast fittings that were missing from the kit.
First off I was told they would be in the post "straight after the weekend". After waiting a week or more I rang to be told they hadn't cast them yet,
That was a week ago. {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on January 15, 2009, 10:47:03 am
Hi Richard,

She's looking good, shame you have to wait for bits though, frustrating! By the way, I thought you were purely warships, has the Dickie tug changed your mind of late?

Best wishes,

Danny
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 15, 2009, 08:49:15 pm
Hi Danny

Just thought I'd like a change and maybe do something that will take me a little longer. %)

I am doing Model Slipways small Tenby lifeboat while I'm waiting for my parts to arrive.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on January 15, 2009, 09:10:18 pm
Is there no start limit to your versitility   %) {-)
Next you'll be building a "smelly"  ;D

Danny (not that one, or Dantheman, or Daniel - bl**dy place is swarming with them  O0 )
 
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on January 15, 2009, 11:46:51 pm
Richard,
Glad to see you started the lifeboat at last   :-))

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Peter Fitness on January 16, 2009, 01:23:37 am
Great job, Richard, I am envious.

I would love to build one myself, but unfortunately the cost of importing kits (especially those with GRP hulls, and therefore bulky), from the UK into Australia, is only marginally less than the GDP of a small country  {-) {-)

Peter.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 16, 2009, 09:41:11 am
Is there no start limit to your versitility   %) {-)
Next you'll be building a "smelly"  ;D

Danny (not that one, or Dantheman, or Daniel - bl**dy place is swarming with them  O0 )
 
Gave up smelly ones around 1967 (the year not the time) Danny.  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: John W E on January 16, 2009, 11:09:05 am
Hi   Dicky         
nice build, but has the rudder been put on upside down   %) {-) {-)


aye

john
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 16, 2009, 01:33:12 pm
Cheeky bu**er John, cause not.

Whats that canoe you are building doing in the house ? {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 22, 2009, 06:28:28 pm
Well my mast fittings have turned up, but first a few photos of what I have built while I have been waiting.

Wife has got fed up with her tug so wanted something faster. Seeing as I rely on her for my pocket money I didnt argue.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 22, 2009, 06:32:17 pm
Anyway as I said, my mast fittings have turned up so I have fitted them to the masts and derrick and I have started fitting the first mast.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Roger in France on January 22, 2009, 06:42:22 pm
Richard,

She is really looking good. Please keep the photos coming.

It is amazing how the rubbing strakes make the water line look curved!

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on January 22, 2009, 08:51:14 pm
Looking great Richard, will look forward to seeing her on Setley Pond later this year.
Roger, I think it's a 'h'optical illusion, or in your case in La Belle France, a grape-tical one! %)

Danny
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on January 22, 2009, 09:54:44 pm
Yes, it must be an illusion - i noticed that his trouser belt did the same thing  {-) {-) {-)

Oh, alright - It's a very nice model Richard  :-))

(but this doesn't mean I'm going to make a habit of being NICE to you)   :-X

Danny (the real one!)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 22, 2009, 10:08:18 pm
Thanks for the comments guys and Danny.

The waterline is actually straight. I know this because as John will tell you, I thought it looked odd myself so I floated it and its OK. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on January 22, 2009, 10:24:13 pm
Oh well Dicky,
Whatever floats your boat    :-))

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Brian Roberts on January 22, 2009, 11:12:58 pm
Hi Richard
Just been looking at your Milford Star, what a beauty, just shows what can be achieved if you are determined enough even with poor health.
I noticed on one of your photos a number of crewmen in various poses and since I'm building a 1/32nd Imara I'm keen to get some similar figures.
If you, or any of the tug boat boys could give me some info. regarding suppliers I'd be most grateful.
Look after yourself
Brian
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Capt Podge on January 22, 2009, 11:36:23 pm
Hi Richard,

I'm a recent addition to this Forum.

I bought a Milford Star kit recently. Got it from a model railway enthusiast who bought it new, took one look in the box and stowed it in his cupboard. One of his mates told me he was looking to sell it. I popped over to his place and he refused to accept any more than £70.00 !

The kit is still in it's box, sitting atop my wardrobe, waiting in the queue.

I'm glad I didn't rush into it now - I'm gonna follow your build to completion and take onboard the pitfalls of this kit and how you overcame them.

Judging by comments of others, this kit aint for the feint-hearted !

Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 23, 2009, 04:15:18 pm
Got stuck into the masts and rigging today.

Although it appears that the rigging is shown on the drawing, only part of it is.

Carried on regardless and hoped I've got it right.

I am short on a number of fittings but as you cant really tell what you need untill you need it I am making them myself out of scrap brass and white metal.

I do appear to be running out of parts so I must be nearing completion O0
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: awvs on January 23, 2009, 05:03:49 pm
Hi DickyD,

congratulations, your model looks really great.
Best
Wilhelm
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 23, 2009, 05:08:28 pm
Thankyou Wilhelm. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on January 23, 2009, 05:19:04 pm
Richard, she's looking great :-)) let's hope she sails as well as she looks, roll on the decent weather!!!

Danny (the seventy-year-old one, so presumably I was first? ;D)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: awvs on January 23, 2009, 06:21:34 pm
Hi DickyD,
forgot to ask what kind of prop you are using? I mounted a black 50mm 3 bladed plastic prop. It works fine but it doesn't look so good. I might switch to a brass one.

Best
Wilhelm
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 23, 2009, 09:03:15 pm
Hi Wilhelm
At the moment I have a 45mm 3 bladed brass prop so will have to see how it behaves.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 23, 2009, 09:05:29 pm
Richard, she's looking great :-)) let's hope she sails as well as she looks, roll on the decent weather!!!

Danny (the seventy-year-old one, so presumably I was first? ;D)
Definitely not the daftest Danny.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on January 23, 2009, 11:14:58 pm
He   :kiss:  me really - he's just too butch to show it   :P :P

(a mere sprog at only 61 - does this mean I can only have one 'N'   <:( <:( <:( )

Dany  %% %%
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 23, 2009, 11:26:14 pm
hope you don't mind me saying Richard but she really should have a lovely four blade prop on as steam trawlers would have done in reality. looks much more pukka too. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 25, 2009, 06:01:01 pm
Today I carried on with the rigging and sail.
I hate white metal fittings where they are used structurally as they break to easily. Its only a matter of time before the jib and sail part company with the superstructure roof as the only thing holding it on is a white metal fitting which has a 1.5mm pin in the roof and the same into the end of the jib.
I am also having to make block and tackle as they were not in the kit and I cant be bothered waiting for them to be delivered.
Still, having moaned about this kit all the way through, now it is nearing completion it really is quite impressive.
Not a lot more to do.
Needs a coat of varnish, needs the wiring to the batteries to be completed, needs paint touching up and it needs a crew.
Can someone tell me how many crew she would have had please.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Roger in France on January 25, 2009, 06:08:21 pm
Looks great, Richard.

I would guess no more than 4/5 crew.

Roger in France
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on January 25, 2009, 06:39:00 pm
Richard,

She looks nearly finished to me.......What's next apart from the Lifeboat?
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 25, 2009, 06:52:18 pm
Barry the lifeboat is finished apart from the crew which are coming from George Turner.

I have a hull that I might use to scratch build a tramp steamer.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 25, 2009, 08:32:53 pm
1 skipper
1 bosun
1 mate
1 cook
1 wireless operater,
1 chief engineer,
1 second engineer
1 or 2 firemen(coal shovellers
2-3 deckies
1 deckie learner
1 brassie
That was on the smaller trawlers like Milford Star was. the larger trawlers such as St Nectan that mountfleet does would have had between 18 and 22 crewmen.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 25, 2009, 08:57:25 pm
Thanks Neil, a great help.  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: John W E on January 25, 2009, 09:09:26 pm
Dicky, after all ya moaning and complaining  :P :P about the plans and lack of info - that to me my friend looks one good model and you have made a brilliant job of it -  :-)) :-)) at least yours have more chance of seeing the watta -  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 25, 2009, 09:10:59 pm
no problems, Richard.
the old sidewinders were incredibly labour intensive.
it was always a game we played in the late50's with my mates to see how many crew men we could spot on an in or outward bound trawler from Fleetwood beach.
they used to stand everywhere waving to their loved ones.
sadly, sometimes, thinking back, that would be the last sight some lads would ever see. {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Roger in France on January 26, 2009, 10:26:01 am
I am sure Neil is right about the full ship's compliment. I was thinking more about "populating" a model.

If you attempted to show the full crew she would look like a pleasure steamer!

Given that many of the crew will be below decks working or resting I would only put 4/5 visible crew on such a model to prevent her looking cluttered.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 26, 2009, 11:54:57 am
Hi roger, please forgive me if I came over as a "clever " b******R.
I was just giving Richard a choice of where he could "stick em" when he chose which crew members to depict.
However  as lads in our youth,we were once counting every member of an inbound trawler and counted EVERY member of the crew all standing here there and everywhere, and stood pondering HOW the trawler was steering herself down the twisty channel into fleetwood.
It wasn't until we read the local rag later that week and found that there was infact the bosun steering the ship.
The "EXTRA" crewman had been a stowaway lad who'd wanted a few weeks off school!!!
I know which I'd have chose??? {-) %% :}
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Roger in France on January 26, 2009, 01:14:58 pm
Neil,

Never thought you were being a clever b****** for a moment. You were answering correctly, I was not but was answering what I thought was the question!.

In my grandfather's day in the Plymouth fishing fleet, stowaways were treated to the roughest patch of sea that could be found on the fishing grounds. Most were put ashore....green and crying for mum. The ones who were not were offered a job!

Roger in France
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 26, 2009, 01:22:42 pm
You two carry on amongst yourselves, I'm off to paint some figures  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 26, 2009, 04:45:04 pm
there were two lads from my secondary ( long before Comprehensives were a twinkle in Maggie thatchers eye) school who  decided to stow away on an Icelandic bound trawler from Fleetwood for a pleasure trip.
They avoided the "night watchman" for the company and got under the sheets of one of the lifeboats ready for an early morning sailing.
they had taken a bag full of butties and pop and thought that if they stayed under cover for 36 hours they wouldn't be put ashore in Oban.a favorite port of call for refueling anf off loading sick or trouble makers.
After 30 hours or so they came from under the covers to find.......................she'd been slipped on Prestons slip in the fish dock at Fleetwood for a new propellor and a repaint, and had moved exactly........................ 50 yards
One of them eventually went on to be fleetwood's youngest skipper and his mate became a co owner with him in a trawler some years later.
So it didn't put them off!!, but still brings a smile to my face> {-) {-) %%
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 27, 2009, 05:32:51 pm
Right I think I am more or less finished.

Today I completed the rigging, varnished the boat and attached my previously crew members

The electrics are complete except fot the aerial.

The lettering is nearly finished though I have just realized that I need some larger lettering for the numbers on the Hull. This I have just ordered from Barrys Model Lettering

( www.modellettering.com ) so that will be here soon.

Can anyone tell me what size of mesh the nets would have been, and the rough size of the nets ?
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 27, 2009, 05:45:25 pm
That's looking very nice indeed Richard. Hope she handles as well as she looks.

Colin
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on January 27, 2009, 05:52:48 pm
Richard,

Sorry I can't answer your question, but she looks great, a real credit to you amigo.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 27, 2009, 10:32:51 pm
Thanks guys, someone on here must know  {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 27, 2009, 10:38:49 pm
Richard, obviously mesh size would depend on the expected catch. This site might possibly help: http://www.fishinggauges.com/regulation.php

Colin
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on January 28, 2009, 12:04:14 am
hi, Richard
on a ship that size the net would be approximately 80 - 100 foot in length from headrope to cod end, giving a scale length of 20 - 25 inches long with a scale mesh of about 1/16th inch diamond shape pattern.
hope the sketches enclosed are of some use to you.
neil/
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 28, 2009, 10:46:18 am
Thanks Neil just what I needed  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on January 28, 2009, 12:40:51 pm
So you're out to dredge Setley pond now, are you Richard? :} Should be fun!

She's looking great, a real credit to you.

Danny (the older one!)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on January 28, 2009, 03:01:17 pm

Hi Richard

You've made a lovely craft there. Now that's something for us all to aim for. Beautiful workmanship. Thanks for showing us.  :-))

Have you tried the netting from the fruit shop? They have various sizes and colours to contain their produce.  ;)

Cheers

ken
 
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 28, 2009, 04:44:00 pm
Danny thought I might try and find my PT boats superstructure though strictly speaking its a war grave as some of the crew went down with it.

Ken thanks for the comments and the tip, I will have to get the wife to try and find a greengrocer. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Shipmate60 on January 28, 2009, 05:07:44 pm
So whats next?

Bob
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on January 28, 2009, 08:00:26 pm
Richard, perhaps you should scatter some scale flowers over the site, in that case?

Danny
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 28, 2009, 08:03:49 pm
So whats next?

Bob
Thought I might use that spare hull that I have and maybe scratch build an old tramp steamer Bob.  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on January 28, 2009, 08:05:23 pm
Richard, perhaps you should scatter some scale flowers over the site, in that case?

Danny
Was going to scatter my son over the site when he lost it Danny <*<
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: cdsc123 on January 28, 2009, 10:07:42 pm
Hi Dicky
I like that very much, all it needs now is the grey paint and a 4" stuck on the fo'csle...
 ok2
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: gibson on February 20, 2009, 10:01:03 pm
Hi Richard,

Is there a chance that you could take a photo of the R/C gear installed in the finished model?
Also, where did you put the ariel ?

Many thanks

Dale.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on February 21, 2009, 09:46:59 am
Rx and Esc on either side of the hull just in front of the front hatch.

The antenna I ran up the front mast.

If the photo is not clear enough let me know and I will take another one.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on February 21, 2009, 04:52:26 pm
Better photos Dale.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF0336.jpg)
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF0337.jpg)
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF0338.jpg)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Stavros on February 21, 2009, 11:21:09 pm
That looks a mighty fine vessel there young sir keep up the good work :-))



stav
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: gibson on February 23, 2009, 03:56:43 pm
Hi Richard,

Thank you for posting the pictures, they are very helpful and much appreciated.

She is a great looking boat!!

Dale.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: gibson on March 02, 2009, 05:46:47 pm
 Hi Richard,

just a quickie,

Did you use the mock planked deck (in the kit) or did you plank it yourself on your build?

How is the Tramper comming on?

Cheers

Dale
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on March 02, 2009, 06:35:04 pm
Hi Dale I used the printed sheet from the kit.

I have just added to the Coastal tramp steamer topic. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on March 02, 2009, 09:15:05 pm
Hi Richard,

Looking at your posts lately, it would appear that you are getting into mass production with your boats! Have you ordered the articulated lorry yet, to get them all down to the lake?
You're doing a great job my friend, well done, and keep up the photos and reports for us lesser mortals!

Danny
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on March 29, 2009, 01:18:33 pm
Maiden voyage today.

Apart from the two 6v SLA batteries I added extra lead in the stern section and she sails really well.

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF0008.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF0007.jpg)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 29, 2009, 02:26:47 pm
Very smart Richard, you can be proud of her. Worth all the effort after all!

Colin
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: awvs on March 29, 2009, 02:52:41 pm
Hi Richard,
she is looking great, congratulations.

Cheers
Wilhelm
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on March 29, 2009, 05:12:27 pm
Richard,

I am so glad that you got the boss to drive you to the water. She looks great!! :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on March 29, 2009, 06:52:43 pm
Very nice Dicky - is that a BEAR hiding behind the funnel in the last picture  O0 <*< <*<
About time you got some fresh air instead of all this ship searching  :P

Richard,
I am so glad that you got the boss to drive you to the water. She looks great!! :-)) :-))

I didn't know Barry had ever met "the Boss". Bet she's pleased with the compliment ...  :embarrassed:

Danny  %%
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: tolnedra on March 29, 2009, 07:05:47 pm
She looks really good on the water Richard, well done! :-))

I was down at our lake near Yeovil today, wasn't it beautiful boating weather? Great to be out in the fresh air again, with no ice on the water!!!

Danny (the other, older one!)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: barryfoote on March 29, 2009, 07:15:47 pm
Very nice Dicky - is that a BEAR hiding behind the funnel in the last picture  O0 <*< <*<
About time you got some fresh air instead of all this ship searching  :P

Richard,
I am so glad that you got the boss to drive you to the water. She looks great!! :-)) :-))

I didn't know Barry had ever met "the Boss". Bet she's pleased with the compliment ...  :embarrassed:

Danny  %%

Oo er, whata mistaka ta maka...... :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on March 29, 2009, 07:38:10 pm
Thanks for the nice comments chaps, I wont let the boss see yours Barry.

No it isnt a bear Danny, why has yours jumped  ship ?  {:-{
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on March 29, 2009, 07:43:59 pm
That's a vicious lie - he was pushed  ;)  anyway, he's back on board now and ready to brave the elements at Torquay next Sunday.
Last year - it snowed  O0 <:(

Danny
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on March 29, 2009, 07:53:48 pm
With the bear driving Danny you might get higher than fourth then.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: omra85 on March 29, 2009, 08:28:57 pm
Who do you think trained him ....  {-)

Anyway, on closer inspection I see that your lovely Milford Star should be renamed Milford Ark  {-)
Is that a CAT draped across the anchor winch  :o :o

Danny  %%
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: gibson on April 09, 2009, 11:14:14 am

Hi Richard,

your Milford Star looks superb on the water  :-))

Dale.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on April 09, 2009, 03:38:26 pm
Thanks Dale  :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on May 11, 2009, 09:24:16 am
Hi Dan

The trawl doors came with the kit.

You will have to bear with me for the sizes as I am laid up at the moment with cellulitis in my legs. I will get them for you as soon as pos.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 11, 2009, 09:37:04 am
Get well soon Dicky.   :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on May 11, 2009, 09:54:46 am
Thanks chaps.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on May 11, 2009, 10:15:26 am
Dan, I have a mould for making those little trawl doors somewhere. If I can find them I'll cast 4 for you in resin. They come with board markings, nuts and graining..will just have to find them./
neil. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on May 12, 2009, 09:08:14 am
no costs dan, just happy to help.
just have to find the mould now...it's in the dank dark corners of the workshop somewhere.will start looking. neil. :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on May 12, 2009, 12:10:11 pm
cheers, dan.
i'l go searching,
hi ho hi ho. {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on May 13, 2009, 05:37:19 pm
i've started casting your trawl doors, Dan. they'll be ready in a few days.
neil.
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: nhp651 on May 16, 2009, 10:23:26 am
i dan, your trawl doors are on their way.......open carefully. neil :-))
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: DickyD on September 30, 2010, 05:29:13 pm
Better photographs

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/The%20Fleet/DSCF2695-Copy.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/The%20Fleet/DSCF2695-Copy-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Milford Star
Post by: ian-mccaffrey on April 26, 2012, 01:32:24 pm
stunning model .... my ex mrs's grandad was skipper on her when she was running out of milford haven