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Title: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on October 31, 2008, 08:15:44 pm

First job was to modify the kit propshafts, props and rudders. This was all pretty standard stuff, I drilled out the props just enough to take a length of 1/16th brass rod as a prop shaft, then epoxied two lengths of 1/16th brass tube into the recesses in the hull, these fit exactly which saved an awful lot of work. The rudders come on a square section shaft, which has to be removed…I did this by carefully cutting them off with a fine razor saw, then drilling into the rudders and epoxying two lengths of 1/16th brass rod as rudder shafts. I glued two lengths of 1/16th brass tube into the pre-marked recesses in the hull, these made up the rudder tubes. Rudder arms were two spare ones that Ramesh (Mankster) made me for the rudders in U-33, a wheel collet soldered to a length of brass sheet and drilled through to take 1/16th brass wire as operating arms. I joined the two rudder operating arms by using lengths of brass wire and a joining block from an electrical chocolate block connector. I made up a support beam across the hull to give some support to the long rudder to servo linkage by simply soldering a ¼” length of brass tube onto a length of brass rod and just glueing it to the hull sides with epoxy resin. Running the operating arm through the tube supports the arm and stops any lateral movement caused by the servo’s motion.

The radio equipment will be fitted onto a plywood floor as seen in the pictures, a six volt four amp gel cell battery fits onto the front section of the floor with ample room to spare. The rudder servo, rx and battery pack are stuck down on the ply floor with double sided tape, the on/off switch has yet to be placed in it’s final position.

Two esc’s will be fitted on a frame above the two Mabuchi 280 motors and will give independent motor control to help the ‘Mighty Mo’ turn, and the servos which will rotate the forward gun turrets sit on the ply floor behind the main drive battery. The rear turret will be connected to the rudder linkage, so as the rudders turn left the turret will rotate to the right.

More to come very soon…



Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on October 31, 2008, 09:18:36 pm
Just another pic of the underside of the forward deck section showing the operating arm which will rotate the forward gun turret...this links to the second turret so both of them rotate in unison. At a rough estimate both turrets should rotate through 45* to port and starboard.



Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: ian kennedy on October 31, 2008, 10:04:55 pm
Hi Rich,

You don't waste much time do you? you only got the dam thing this week!!!

Looking ok up to now.....what speed controllers are you going to use? and power pack voltage/capacity etc....

Keep up the good work

Ian
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 01, 2008, 06:51:10 am
err....I only collected it yesterday morning Ian   :embarrassed:  :embarrassed:  :embarrassed: But it was my day off and it seemed such a shame not to open the box and just take a wee look inside.....  ;)

I was going to use the good old 6volt 4a/h gel cell as a main power supply, but having hooked up the turret rotation servo, I found that space is a bit limited, so I'm thinking of a five or six cell pack of nicads (or whatever they are called nowadays).

As for esc's...haven't got that far yet, Ian. Any recommendations....? I'll need two as I want to keep to independant motor control, judging by the size of Mighty Mo's rudders she's not to turn very tightly, the old girl is going to need all the help she can get.


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: Bunkerbarge on November 01, 2008, 08:42:05 am
I'm sure you could get away with mini servo's for the rudders and the turrets saving a bit of weight and space.
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 01, 2008, 10:43:40 am
Wouldn't be a problem to use mini servos BB, thing is I didn't have spare ones, my small ones are earmarked for the USS Blueback when it comes back after it's major surgery. Mini servos would do fine, I may go get a couple when pay day arrives  :embarrassed: spent too much this month already!  >>:-(


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: ian kennedy on November 01, 2008, 11:02:34 am
Hi Rich,

Power wise i would use a pair of mtronik 10 amp vipers, running off a sub c cell 6v nicad or nimh pack.

You can run Rx power off the vipers via becc...this saves weight and space

If your budget is tight you could  use 1x viper esc and a switcher or mixer unit to stop/reverse the inboard prop to assist in turning the model
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 01, 2008, 11:28:54 am
Hi Rich,

Power wise i would use a pair of mtronik 10 amp vipers, running off a sub c cell 6v nicad or nimh pack.

You can run Rx power off the vipers via becc...this saves weight and space

If your budget is tight you could  use 1x viper esc and a switcher or mixer unit to stop/reverse the inboard prop to assist in turning the model

Thanks for that Ian, much appreciated...the budget isn't that tight really, pay day is approaching fast, it's just that the g'friend decided to spend MY money instead of hers. She's very good at that, she could spend money for England, shame it's not a Olympic thing!

I've changed the rudders over to some 'similar to scale' ones which are larger all round and have a much bigger blade area, that should help the old girl in tight corners, so what with that modification and independant motor control, I think we should be ok for getting her to turn in less than a mile...

Talking of lack of turning ability, I did once enter my USS Patrick Henry in a scale steering regatta...the organisers got so fed up with waiting for me to get round the course they allowed me to do it submerged. All I did was to dive, sit on the bottom for five minutes, pop up near the finish line and claim a clear round...and I got away with it, got the cup on my bookcase to prove it!!!   ;D


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 01, 2008, 12:53:28 pm
A quick update...got the forward 16" gun turret rotation servo installed and operational. And I thought squeezing radio equipment into U-33 was tight...the servo fits. Just... O0

The number two turret will have to have it's own mini servo mounted on the underside of the forward deck, and be connected via a Y lead to the number one turret servo.

(sorry about the crap pic, the batteries are in need of a charge  >>:-()




Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: regiment on November 01, 2008, 08:26:36 pm
hello i cannot see the missouri on ebay  what page ? not very good at computers thanks regiment  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 01, 2008, 09:06:06 pm
I got mine from this guy... http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BERKSHIRE-BOOKS-AND-COLLECTABLES_MODELS-TOYS-GAMES_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ3QQftidZ2QQtZkm  (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BERKSHIRE-BOOKS-AND-COLLECTABLES_MODELS-TOYS-GAMES_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ3QQftidZ2QQtZkm) Email Geoff, he's a real nice guy to deal with, very helpful.
Any problems, let me know and I'll email him for you.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 02, 2008, 10:56:32 am
Cracked on this morning with a bit of superstructure building, almost completed the foredeck and the forward deck turret, and I've made a start on the other turrets.

I'm learning fast with this build, main thing I've learnt is to have plenty of breaks well away from the fumes of the plastic solvent glue, and also to use a much smaller brush to apply the solvent with. But so far I'm enjoying the whole thing, it's going together pretty easily.

Rich



(now if only I could learn to take a decent picture.....  {:-{ )
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: ronkh on November 02, 2008, 12:02:40 pm
U33.

"it's going together pretty easily."

I do hope these are not like famous last words!

Looking very nice and look forward to more pics of your build.

Ron.
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 02, 2008, 03:52:17 pm
Same as that Ron!

Anyways, onwards and upwards...spent an amusing hour thisarvo making the two stern mounted spotter plane catapults rotate.

Quite easy to do, just a short length of brass wire fitted into the base of the catapult and a wheel collet under the deck.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: andyn on November 02, 2008, 04:35:21 pm
Watching with great interest :-))

For a challenge, I have decided to make Revell Germanys Smit Houston tug. Build thread will follow.

Good luck with it, I may steal some ideas ok2
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 02, 2008, 07:17:31 pm
Thanks Andy, and good luck with your build. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I'm enjoying this one.

err...there will be a charge of course, for any ideas borrowed  :D

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 03, 2008, 08:04:37 pm
I cannot believe just how quickly this boat is growing...a nice steady hour or so tonight has seen the best part of the main superstructure almost completed. Just a few small fiddley bits to go on, and then I start on the funnels and the conning tower assembly.


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 04, 2008, 08:30:56 pm
Did a bit more to the upper bridge tonight and assembled the forward funnel. It will soon be time to think about getting some paint on...


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: andyn on November 05, 2008, 04:45:37 pm
And you'll have to take it all apart again to paint it ok2
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 05, 2008, 05:14:26 pm
Ah...I have a cunning plan Andy. Everything that I've glued down is painted in the overall battleship grey...the parts that need another colour aren't attached as yet. Everything that's on the decks still lifts off so as I can paint the decks and all the fittings thereon.

Y'see? Sneaky one, eh? Us old council shirk...sorry, workers, ain't half as daft as we looks, y'know.   %)


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: andyn on November 05, 2008, 06:01:54 pm
Ahaa we've got a clever one.... %)
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 05, 2008, 06:27:56 pm
Ahaa we've got a clever one.... %)

I'll have you know I sat my NVQ's in wheelie bin assembling, Andy... (put one wheel on axle, push through holes in bottom edge of bin, put other wheel on axle...job done) I'm now about to sit another NVQ in how to deliver a wheelie bin.... ('ere you are mate, sign 'ere) Our council knows how to waste council taxes....

Clever old lot, ain't we?


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: craftysod on November 05, 2008, 06:34:47 pm
Rich
two more NVQ's to obtain
1.How to load said wheelie bin
2.How to move above (no more than ten feet) health and safety reasons
 :-))
Mark
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 05, 2008, 07:54:53 pm
Rich
two more NVQ's to obtain
1.How to load said wheelie bin
2.How to move above (no more than ten feet) health and safety reasons
 :-))
Mark

Steady man, steady....I'm not allowed to load or move loaded wheelie bins. Not trained and not my job...I just deliver empty ones!

Anyway, back to the Mighty Mo...installed the tiny esc tonight, it fits perfectly. Motors should be here soon (so the shop keeps telling me) then I can get the wiring up done. One more servo to fit in for the stern turret when the motors are installed, and then it's out with the paint.

Rich



Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: craftysod on November 05, 2008, 09:26:27 pm
That is a small esc,watching this build with interest,
cant wait till finish,probabaly in a week or two cos off the speed your going,
wd
Mark
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 06, 2008, 08:23:12 pm
You are quite correct Mark, I've never seen an esc that small before, it's amazing. It'll be a while yet before the Mighty Mo gets her bottom wet though, still waiting for the motors and I have yet to buy the battery pack.

Did a bit more to the superstructure tonight and started on building up the high angle AA guns (HOW many have I got to make?)  %%
I only made three of them in half an hour! They are so small it's a job to see the little perishers...



Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 06, 2008, 08:26:55 pm
These are the tiny high angle AA guns in the housings on the turret tops.


Rich


(Should have gone to Specsavers....)


Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 09, 2008, 05:45:41 pm
The Mighty Mo got her hull wet today for the first time...just enough water in the domestic test tank (aka the bath..) to float her, well I didn't want to push my luck, did I?  :embarrassed:

Anyway, first trials were spot on, she has a bit of list to port but then she still needs fitting out properly, at the moment she has no engines or batteries (I'm STILL waiting for the motors to arrive  >>:-( ) but I was well pleased with the results. When I lifted her out, she was bone dry inside, despite being left in the bath for over an hour.  :-))

On now to the slipway for final fitting out, installation of the batteries and motors as and when they arrive, then she's off to the dockyard for painting.


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 10, 2008, 02:30:13 pm
Seeing as how I'm off work due to a nasty and very painful groin strain (don't ask...ok?  :embarrassed:) I've cracked on with a bit more of the superstructure detail assembly. Radar masts, fire control centres and the various radio antenna are now all together and ready for painting.

Yes, I know brass etched replacements would be the way to go, I'm saving the added expense of that sort of thing for the next one. Building the Missouri was just to see how I'd get on building a surface ship in this scale...so far it's been ok (ish) so the next one will be..... ;).....(answers on a postcard please....)

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: amdaylight on November 10, 2008, 06:04:56 pm
Seeing as how I'm off work due to a nasty and very painful groin strain (don't ask...ok?  :embarrassed:) I've cracked on with a bit more of the superstructure detail assembly. Radar masts, fire control centres and the various radio antenna are now all together and ready for painting.

Yes, I know brass etched replacements would be the way to go, I'm saving the added expense of that sort of thing for the next one. Building the Missouri was just to see how I'd get on building a surface ship in this scale...so far it's been ok (ish) so the next one will be..... ;).....(answers on a postcard please....)

Rich

You mentioned it and then asked us not to ask ;)  so now we have to ask  . . . . what did yo do to yourself ????? Lifting to many of those bins? ;) By the way what are you going to use for props on the Mighty Mo?

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 10, 2008, 07:38:17 pm
Seeing as how I'm off work due to a nasty and very painful groin strain (don't ask...ok?  :embarrassed:) I've cracked on with a bit more of the superstructure detail assembly. Radar masts, fire control centres and the various radio antenna are now all together and ready for painting.

Yes, I know brass etched replacements would be the way to go, I'm saving the added expense of that sort of thing for the next one. Building the Missouri was just to see how I'd get on building a surface ship in this scale...so far it's been ok (ish) so the next one will be..... ;).....(answers on a postcard please....)

Rich

You mentioned it and then asked us not to ask ;)  so now we have to ask  . . . . what did yo do to yourself ????? Lifting to many of those bins? ;) By the way what are you going to use for props on the Mighty Mo?

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon


Andre, you are not far wrong when you mention bins, it's just embarrassing to mention. OK...I was taking a fully loaded glass recycling bin up on the truck's tail lift when it started to slip away from me...(they weigh in at nearly a ton  :o) I grabbed the handle on the bin, and turned to pull it back and felt a twinge in my leg, thought no more of it and carried on doing what I was doing. Inside a couple of hours I could hardly walk, it was so painful, so I went to the docs and was told I had the classic footballer's injury, the strained groin.  :embarrassed: It's getting better now, but it's still painful to walk any distance.

As for props for the Mighty Mo, I've managed to get hold of some almost scale props from my cousin in Canada (bless her little cotton undies) and what with the adaptors that Bee on here is sending me, we should be well sorted....I hope. For the next one I'm going to use proper commercially available shafts....all four of them.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: amdaylight on November 10, 2008, 07:53:13 pm
The reason I was asking about the props is I work in a hobby shop part time and get a real good Employee discount, I pay the stores cost about 40 to 50% off depending on the distributor. So I was kind of thinking that throwing one of the Tamiya's ships up on the to build shelf. When I do that I like to get all of the little fiddly bits and toss them in the box so when the mood moves me I don't have to go looking for any of the parts. As to the strain, I know how those things feel and it does not matter how you do them they just plain HURT, get well soon. :-))

Andre :-)
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 11, 2008, 12:12:26 am
Perhaps I should be asking you about my next Tamiya then Andre... :-))

The results of an hours worth of assembly tonight...all the 5" high angle guns put together ready for the paint brush. I was sceptical over building these, but once I'd done one, it was easy from then on in. It's made a good prequel for the next lot...16 x 40mm Bofors AA guns.   {:-{

My next one won't have as many guns....

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 17, 2008, 08:25:19 pm
Had a couple of days break from building up sixteen tiny Bofors AA 40mm guns, it was driving me mad!

I had a bit of a move round of the radio gear, I'd noticed that the servo arm of the forward gun turret servo was rubbing on the forward deck section, so a slight alteration was called for.

The two 280 motors arrived, so I've fixed them in position. I used a drop of superglue on the motor case and attached them to an 1" long section of the tapered end of a clothes peg, then a drop of silicone sealant fixes them in postion nicely. Not quite permanantly, you get them out if needs be, but I don't plan to move them.
The couplings are made from a slice of rubber tube (not shown in the pics) and everything seems to line up nicely, both motors run quietly and smoothly.

Next job is complete the motor installation by wiring everything up, then it'll be back to building 40mm AA guns.... >:-o


Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 22, 2008, 12:15:12 pm
First trials with the plastic tubing motor/propshaft couplings failed miserably, the tube I used was far too stiff and resulted in the starboard motor coming adrift from it's mounting  >>:-(  >:-o

I've rebuilt the couplings using sections of ball point inner tube, bits of brass  tube and a couple of brass collets, and used small bore silicone fuel tubing for the flexible joins. It's much better now, everything runs much smoother, and both motors will run at very slow speeds. Next job is to shorten the propshafts, fit the M4 adaptors that Bee kindly made for me and fit the correct brass props. Then it's time for the initial sea trials... ;)

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 23, 2008, 09:38:36 am
Spent a very entertaining couple of hours this morning bending brass wire into intricate shapes...it seemed like a good idea to have the rear turret working in unison with the front one, so as I could take aim at a target and swing the turrets round to either port or starboard in order to fire a broadside salvo. Yea... >:-o In 1/72nd scale...easy. In 1/350th scale...a different kettle of fish.

Having bent a whole length of brass wire into several different shapes, none of which worked any sense, I made up a short piece of brass wire, sunk it into a short legth of brass tube which was glued into a hole in the radio deck, added two of Ramesh's collets, bent up some more wire and connected everything...result!  :-))

Both forward and stern turrets now rotate perfectly in unison at last. I can'r seem to get the middle turret to rotate properly yet, but there's plenty of time yet...it will.

Rich

Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: craftysod on November 23, 2008, 02:31:13 pm
Looking good Rich,we are still watching with interest.
Quick question how are you going to make all 16 40mm bofors rotate together  :}
Mark
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 23, 2008, 03:43:21 pm
The turret linkages were bad enough, now I'm trying to work out how to install gunfire sound simulation...the idea is that when the 16" turrets rotate fully, the servo arm will hit a microswitch and and trigger a sound board to create a sound similar to a full broadside salvo being unleashed. Problem is, I'm starting to run out of room inside the hull...there's still the main battery pack to get in there somewhere.  :o
I'm still looking at installing working lights too...if (IF) I can find LED's that are small enough. Oh, and the spotter plane catapults at the stern...they will rotate as well. (I hope....)

Rich
(going slightly mad...)
  O0
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: Bunkerbarge on November 23, 2008, 05:15:04 pm
Have you thought about fibre optics for the lights?  You only need one light source then and you can install the fibre just about anywhere.
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: DickyD on November 23, 2008, 05:17:46 pm
Hi Rich
Where are you fitting the water wings to cope with all this weight you keep squeezing in ?  ok2
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 23, 2008, 05:43:37 pm
Have you thought about fibre optics for the lights?  You only need one light source then and you can install the fibre just about anywhere.

Good thinking BB, I hadn't thought of that. I'll investigate that more closely... :-))

Hi Rich
Where are you fitting the water wings to cope with all this weight you keep squeezing in ?  ok2

Every tiny bit of space that isn't filled with something I'll fill with foam DD, so far I'm fairly OK on the waterline, but the battery pack will no doubt take care of any spare freeboard I have, I'll have to be really careful from then on in. The next one won't be quite so bad as this, I've decided...and it will be bigger!  %)

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 23, 2008, 06:25:46 pm
Just had a very pleasant surprise..DickyD, you got me to worrying about the weight of the Mighty Mo, so I've just carried out a quick bath test. With a set of Duracell dry cells in position (I'm only going to use a four cell battery pack) and everything on board that will be onboard, she floats with a good 3/8" freeboard to spare all along the water line as marked on the instruction sheets, so I'm well pleased with that. We'll not be making that terminal dive just yet  {-)  although the old girl will be a calm water boat I think.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on November 30, 2008, 08:43:38 am
Had a change of plan with the Mighty Mo, I wasn't happy with the prop shafts so I've ripped them out and ordered a pair of shafts from Howes in Oxford. Whilst I was flashing my flexible friend I bought a set of brass rudders as the ones I'd fitted didn't seem to be 'right' somehow, so a complete stern refit is underway. A pair of new motor mounts is under construction as well, hopefully to make the whole boat look and perform much better. Got a cracking pair of Raboesch brass 25mm props from Howes, they really look the business, and Dave the ACTion man sent me the main battery pack.

Hopefully by this time next week the Mighty Mo will be back in operational status and practically ready for her sea trials on open water.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 07:33:44 pm
An update on progress on the Mighty Mo..

Following the battle damge incurred when I knocked the hull off my desk, ripping the rudder out, bending the new shafts and cracking the hull where the shafts exited, I've had to plate over the damage with plastic card. I filled the holes, sanded it down and then glued two plates over the damaged areas, making sure that the edges were well covered with PlasticWeld solvent.

Here's a pic of the repair so far...not exactly what you'd call 'hull plating', but at least the damaged areas are covered.

Rich
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: andyn on January 31, 2009, 11:05:11 pm
I bet there was some swearing involved there...

How on earth did you manage that?
Title: Re: The Tamiya battleship BB-63 USS Missouri
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 11:18:19 pm
I bet there was some swearing involved there...

How on earth did you manage that?

I found it very easy Andy..( >>:-() I caught the extreme edge of the bows in my sleeve, the hull went off my desk, caught the edge of the desk in the shafts as it went down, I went to grab it and must have pushed it further under the desk(which probably caused the bending in the shafts) and pulled both shafts out of the hull and cracked it at the same time. It only fell just over two feet, I couldn't believe the amount of damge it caused....'gosh and bother it' I said. Or something like that... O0

Rich