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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: regiment on January 11, 2009, 01:00:16 pm
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prince harry in trouble again happend three years ago news of the world digging up rubbish once again. leave him alone i heard more than that when i was a service man regiment
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Prince's racist term sparks anger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822883.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822883.stm)
Bob
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Are the press on an "anti-Royal" witch hunt again? Two days ago it was Edward beating his dog, now it's Harry and platoon chatter?
I am a republican, through and through but eradicating the monarchy is not achieved this way.
Now....that should set some hares running.
Roger in France (.....a republic).
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Is it me or does it seem that the spokesperson's for these so called race relations groups take things out off all proportion in order to push forward their own little sound bite and enhance the personal reputations, which only serves to force a bigger wedge between racial groups. They'd probably say he was still racist if he had referred to his chum as a "little Pakistani Friend" but if he had of said his "little Indian Friend" that would have really insulted the guy. Can it not only be taken as natural to abbreviate the word "Pakistan" without jumping to sinister conclusions during a light hearted, friendly banter, as we British often do when referring to people from other areas of our small island. Could have been worse, at least he's not a macum.
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Or a Limey or a Pomme
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Is it me or does it seem that the spokesperson's for these so called race relations groups take things out off all proportion in order to push forward their own little sound bite and enhance the personal reputations
I too saw this individual on the BBC News.
I just deleted what I was about to post - I'd probably be arrested, let alone moderated....
Malc
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not to forget Yank, It would be intersting to see the comment from the person who was called the alleged name to see their reaction.. Utter pc Tosh..
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are the aussies racist when thay call us poms or when we call the french froggies or the germans jerries remember the old saying names cannot hurt me regiment
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if the PC lot had their way the
we couldnt call a german a "Kraut"
a french person a "frog"
a japanese person a "nip"
an american a "yank"
a police officer a "pig", "copper" or as a force in general "the fuzz" "the rozzers"
calling a pakistani a "'foreign'" is no worse than a British person a "brit" 'foreign' - short for PAKIstan, what has made it racist is the Indians, as India and Pakistan, politically at least, don't get along well and its the Indian's who get upset, not the Pakistani's
it gets bad when they have had to change Snow white and the 7 dwarves because it may offend the vertically challenged, (bloomin short **** gits! : {-)) and in Thomas the tank, the fat controller is no more, and as for captain pugwash, well lets not even go down there.
other examples of silly pc crap.
Blackboards are now chalk boards, because it may offend people who are of colored skin
disabled are now mobility challenged
removal of a cross in a crematoria because it may offend non christians
removal of bibles from a hospital because it may offend non christians
you can't even call someone "bald", they're folically challenged
the blind are "sight challenged"
when will it end?
and one for the record of history
Guy Gibson called his Black labrador dog "Ni99er" and that word was used as the codeword for the dam breach on the dam buster raids.
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"but eradicating the monarchy is not achieved this way."
ehh...and we all know what the french did to eradicate their monarchy.......lol {-) {-) {-)
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le guillotene :)
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disabled are now mobility challenged
...the circle's complete though. After a thorough check through endless dictionaries, my work's "disability services" (dealing out hardware and software to those who need big font keyboards, screenreaders, etc.) have returned to: "Disability Services".
Since it does what it says on the tin.
Andy #1963#
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Ghost, as far as i am aware 'Brit' has never been used as a derogatory term. Not even by Rupert Murdoch.
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I have heard a blackboard being refered to as a "dry erase board" in the states
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I think Ghost was trying to point out that referring to a persons home or origin should not be called as racist (ie. 'foreign')
If that were the case then references to Geordies, Scousers, Cockneys and Brums would also be derogatory (to some I suppose they are %) :} )
Garabaldy - a dry-wipe board is white or cream and is written on with dry-wipe pens which, once dry can be erased with a dry-wipe eraser, unlike a "chalk board" which is black or green and is written on with chalk (surprise, surprise) :-))
Danny
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I think Ghost was trying to point out that referring to a persons home or origin should not be called as racist (ie. 'foreign')
If that were the case then references to Geordies, Scousers, Cockneys and Brums would also be derogatory (to some I suppose they are %) :} )
that was EXACTLY my point :)
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disabled are now mobility challenged
Do you know I always thought I was disabled I hadn't realized it was a competition. {:-{
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No Dicky - you're DISTURBED and you have NO competition %% %% :P
Danny
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and as for captain pugwash, well lets not even go down there
http://www.everythingyouknowisalie.co.uk/urbanmyth/files/6554ea6b9b2f582f00c1973efd267fad-34.html (http://www.everythingyouknowisalie.co.uk/urbanmyth/files/6554ea6b9b2f582f00c1973efd267fad-34.html)
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Oh bloomin heck does this mean I have got to rename the rescue boat as it's called PUGWASH just to politically correct,what has this world we live in got to.One is so afraid these days of even opening ones mouth incase we offend someone.The joke is that I have quite a few ethnic friends and one of them even calls himself a Packi,but was chastised in the street the other day in Caernarfon by a Copper for calling himself one,what has this world come to,it is like big brother is watch you.
Stavros
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One wonders if the chap in question would flinch at being called Ginger (would that be treason?), or if the opprobrium of the world's press would descent upon the head of the unworthy who dared mention the G word.
It amounts to about the same thing in its degree of offensiveness - or would that be "offensivity" these days?
Personally I don't give a rat's armpit what HRH Prince Henry says in public or in private - but I would like to see a photo of him printed next to one of James Hewitt....... %)
FLJ
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No Dicky - you're DISTURBED and you have NO competition %% %% :P
Danny
Now if you really want to try to insult me Danny you could call me a disabled, fat, short sighted, slightly balding, wrinkley Pom who is also a GOG. It wont work though, its pretty accurate.(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/wheelchair.gif)
By the way, a Jet powered Bluebird would be no good to you, as it would mean you'll still lose those races, but at twice the speed. :}
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get this:
when the hospital removed its bibles "because it may offend muslims"
the act of removing them acually offended the local muslim leader. to solve this, keel haul every pc brigade member!
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FLJ,
Shall I hold the door to the Tower for you or the other way around?
Roger in France
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stavros,
by the fact you mention your ethnic frend was hauled up by a copper for calling himself a 'foreign' says to me that the copper was implying "dont be proud of the fact that you are pakistani" - that is in everyway offensive.
thats how I read it, I, as is so often, may be wrong
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after all that little lot I'm quite surprised that Golliwogs didn't make an entrance. Stage Left...obviously. BY
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didn't robinsons jam have to stop using their logo for pc reasons?
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FLJ,
Shall I hold the door to the Tower for you or the other way around?
Roger in France
Last one through Traitor's Gate's a cissy................. 8)
FLJ
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Personally I don't give a rat's armpit what HRH Prince Henry says in public or in private - but I would like to see a photo of him printed next to one of James Hewitt....... %)
FLJ
Don't you mean Harry, and " like to see a photo of him printed next to one of James Hewitt....... " are you trying to infer something by any chance ?
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didn't robinsons jam have to stop using their logo for pc reasons?
Robertson's - yes.
In the old days when I were but a lad, they used to put paper ones behind the labels - save enough of them and you could send away for an enamelled badge version. You don't see may people wearing them these days though.
Malc
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This year I got a Christmas card from an American owned company in the UK.
On the cover was a picture of a sprig of holly and the words "Happy Holiday". Inside there was nothing but the signature.
Now I find THAT offensive >>:-(
(not that I'm a religious fanatic - spending most Sundays at the lake)
Danny
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stokes mayor offended both christians and muslims, as well as other faiths by having "winterfest" instead of christmas! PC has gone tooo far
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Don't you mean Harry, and " like to see a photo of him printed next to one of James Hewitt....... " are you trying to infer something by any chance ?
No; that'll be Prince Henry Charles Albert David............and I found the piccie I was looking for....
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/images/2008/03/02/prince_harry_james_hewitt_20050413.jpg&imgrefurl=http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/2008/03/whos-your-daddy.html&h=200&w=349&sz=15&tbnid=bllMqGtefx43sM::&tbnh=69&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djames%2Bhewitt&usg=__vqxaNLGNDwYSw2u6efg2app0WAQ=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1
Who's the daddy?
You - the Nation - decides!
FLJ
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Is treason still on the statuette book in this country?
Am I going to be hauled before the beak?!?!?
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Is treason still on the statuette book in this country?
Am I going to be hauled before the beak?!?!?
Yes but they dropped capital punishment for it a wee while back it's now life in jail
or should the be in a hotle ;)
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Don't you mean Harry, and " like to see a photo of him printed next to one of James Hewitt....... " are you trying to infer something by any chance ?
No; that'll be Prince Henry Charles Albert David............and I found the piccie I was looking for....
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/images/2008/03/02/prince_harry_james_hewitt_20050413.jpg&imgrefurl=http://njmg.typepad.com/ervolino/2008/03/whos-your-daddy.html&h=200&w=349&sz=15&tbnid=bllMqGtefx43sM::&tbnh=69&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djames%2Bhewitt&usg=__vqxaNLGNDwYSw2u6efg2app0WAQ=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1
Who's the daddy?
You - the Nation - decides!
FLJ
Thats your nighthood bug*&^rd
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I remember at one place I worked at we had a team leader who was known as Abdul or the Black B****d, no he was'nt a blackman or a Arab but a white who just loved his holidays in the sunnier climates, of which he seemed to have lots of??? ,or when he was not away he always on the sunbed, were he often fell asleep with the inevitable dire consequences. Even coloured people there could often be heard to say, ave you seen BB anywere. One Indian guy was known as onion as onion bardgi and someone known as desh cause he came from Bangladesh, it all seemed to be just light hearted and everyone got along with no prejudices. :} :} :-))
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are the aussies racist when thay call us poms
Of course not. If we were regarded as racist for calling the English "Poms", then the poms could be called racist for referring to us as "Aussies", which would be ludicrous. In my book, 'foreign' is simply an abbreviation of Pakistani, as was mentioned above, as Aussie is of Australian etc etc etc. When the Pakistan cricket team tour Australia, they are regularly referred to as Pakis in the press, and as far as I am aware, they have never taken offence at the term. It is not intended to be derogatory, nor is it taken as such.
Yet another example of PC gone mad, or Royal bashing, or both.
Peter.
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Thats your nighthood bug*&^rd
Aw, shucks - I should have thought of that.............. :-X
FLJ
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Doesn't the word PAKISTAN mean FREELAND ????????. H
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If 'Black board' is no longer allowed.... what are we to call the 'Black country'? (Part of the West Midlands)
Someone should tell the BBC...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/
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When I was building for a living a great number of my clients were Jewish in the St Johns Wood area of London.
At Christmas they sent and received Christmas Cards something the PC brigade would be up in arms about.
They also were not adverse to the odd bacon sarny either.
Back before do gooder time. <*<
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Crazy , Prince Harry says an Apparently offensive word and it is on The Front page of a well known paper but the murder of the lad from the post office was on page 3... >>:-( >>:-(
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No news like bad news to sell rags and TV, and if it isn't about, create it! - and play to the gallery at all costs of course. Regards, Bernard
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Apparently this all happened THREE YEARS ago. Guess it has taken that long for the News of the World to find someone willing to sell them the video....
Rick
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What a nasty sad little nation this has become, they have been on and on about this dross for the past two days and i see our illustrious leader has been wasting some oxygen on it on tv tonight. I did the best thing anyone could do in the circumstances, I turned him off halfway through his drivel. I think it has all been exploded out of all proportion and can only think it is being used as a smokescreen to take our minds off the failing state of the economy for five minutes, whilst at the same time, indoctrinating the nation with yet another 'thing we can't say out loud'
I hear the 1st world war veteran Harry Stone has finally passed away aged 108, I wonder what he thought about the state we're in today.
Harry, if you're up there, thank you for fighting for our freedom, our country, for which you fought, was considerably more free then than it is now!
The best thing all of us can do when this rubbish hits the headlines is refuse to by the papers.
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.............and just when you thought it couldn't get pettier or nastier...........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7826701.stm
I'm with Sheerline on this one.
FLJ
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so the prince calls someone "sooty", so what!
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I think they want to know where is Sweep and Sue?
Bob
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ask mathew kelly for that bob
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Or even Corbett O0
Proteus %)
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Political correctness does have it place and I personally think it's made huge changes in society for the good but it's the nanny state, the "do gooders", the people looking for problems in others, the newspapers 'mountain out of molehill', council jobs worth, types that really get my goat.
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Propshaft
Sorry you wont be surprised that I disagree.
How can any system that includes the "Way it is taken" as opposed to intent be workable.
What is acceptable to 1 person can (in theory) lead to a Jail Sentence from another.
DD
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Very true DieselDo . I should have said I accept the good things in society that political correctness has achieved
but not all of it is good and some people are just over the top and are out to make trouble. I choose to believe the
HRH Harry was (is) very naive using inappropriate language (culture? home life? army mentality?) and didn't mean
it as it sounded. ... Mind you, he is his grandfather, boy... disregarding FLJ comment previously! Reply #32
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now we have prince charles in trouble good job wg cd gibson not here calling his dog ***moderated*** what would the pc twits have to say at that :police:
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If everyone has had there say we'll lock the topic now.....
( Topic will be deleted later as we've all had our rant. :-) )
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I'm appalled to see that Regiment's post regarding Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog on the 'Pakistan' thread has been ***moderated*** by 'TigerTiger'.
Wing Commander Guy Penrose Gibson VC, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar was one of the most highly decorated servicemen during World War 2 and to have his dogs name 'erased' from history as it may cause some people offence is appalling.
This is 'Political Correctness' at its VERY worst!.
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Haha.. I bet the dog rolled over in it's grave when they did that.
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Surprised you can say 'Pakistan' these days
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I too am appalled.
This is just another in a long line of posts being moderated due to certain peoples beleifs about what is right.
Unfortunately there are certain people around like this everywhere, who are sensitive to everything. This is why last year I had to have my parents sign someone at our club as my legal guardian so I can continue going there.
It is sickening to think that we are allowing ourselves to live in a bubble these days. Take the bubble away, and we will all die very quickly.
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Try this... go to ebay.. and type in the dogs name, 'rhymes with bigger'..
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I doubt if there is anyone more unPC than me.
BUT
TT was 100% correct in his action.
Anything posted on this Forum ends up squarely at Martins door as the site owner.
It is the mods job to protect the site and its owner from any adverse sanctions.
We have all seen lately the furore about the Royal Families comments recently.
You may not LIKE it, I certainly don't, but it is the environment that we live in.
Bob
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Post eliminated >:-o
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I think it's you lot who are sensitive, or maybe trying it on. It's pretty obvious that people were using that thread to go one better than the person before by posting a non PC word. The thread was locked before things got out of hand as previous experience has sadly demonstrated it was likely to.
You aren't appalled at all, just trying to make it difficult for those of us who give up our time to try and help run this site. You should know better! <*<
Colin
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Arrow5,
If there is a need to moderate the post it will be, please read my last post in this thread.
Bob
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I doubt if there is anyone more unPC than me.
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TT was 100% correct in his action.
Anything posted on this Forum ends up squarely at Martins door as the site owner.
It is the mods job to protect the site and its owner from any adverse sanctions.
We have all seen lately the furore about the Royal Families comments recently.
You may not LIKE it, I certainly don't, but it is the environment that we live in.
Bob
True, on the other hand why should we let the PC brigade tell us what to do... I'm so feed up with it, I want to live in France, where the people say what they want and not the government.. sad eh.. that I have too given up, easier to walk away than stand up to them. So who's too blame, us, or our government...
Change the Environment.. it's already started...
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JohnneyBoy,
Very easy to say when it is Martin's head on the chopping block.
Bob
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JohnneyBoy,
Would you run around in the street shouting out those words like a kid in the playground? No? Then why should people want to do it on here? Because they are behind a keyboard and an alias maybe? As Bob says, it's Martin you are setting up as an Aunt sally - not very brave is it?
Colin
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JohnneyBoy,
Very easy to say when it is Martin's head on the chopping block.
Bob
Can't see the issue as it's all within context, the dogs name that is.. purely a historical fact. I do believe in Moderation, I know, ask Martin personally about me! This is excessive moderation. How can some one be chastised, or worse for reporting common historic knowledge.
John
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JohnneyBoy,
Would you run around in the street shouting out those words like a kid in the playground? No? Then why should people want to do it on here? Because they are behind a keyboard and an alias maybe? As Bob says, it's Martin you are setting up as an Aunt sally - not very brave is it?
Colin
The name was used within context, the BBC has had a number of programs with respect to the Dam Busters and the dogs name..
I'm not behind an alias.. look at my profile, you'll have no trouble in finding me.. If you wish, or if you want to speak to me, please PM me..
I stood up for a fracas, in front of my house a few years ago.. stopped a bunch of idiots from smashing up the cars in the street! I was the only person to do something about it... until plod turned up after the 3rd phone call!!
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this is how history is being changed
http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO938.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5028976.stm
Proteus
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I think you are missing the point I'm making altogether. The whole thing smacks of little boys running around the playground shouting "Bum, Bum".
Colin
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this is how history is being changed
Nothing new there Proteus, people have been doctoring photos ever since the camera was invented. And history is always written by the winners!
Colin
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Yes that is what I was trying to point out in that it is nothing new..
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I also think it's time we stuck to BOATS..... then there would be less problems
Proteus
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I also think it's time we stuck to BOATS..... then there would be less problems
Proteus
Absolutely.
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I'm always getting stuck to mine... {:-{
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I also think it's time we stuck to BOATS..... then there would be less problems
Proteus
OK, sounds good... but... :D
I used to fly model aircraft, that got stopped too much noise... so go electric = not the same. {:-{
I used to run IC model boats, that got stopped too much noise and pollution. >:-o
I wanted to run fast electric.. too fast for the wildlife <:(
OK, I like scale...
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OK, I like scale...
Too slow, you don't get enough exercise. :}
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You aren't appalled at all, just trying to make it difficult for those of us who give up our time to try and help run this site. You should know better! <*<
Colin
No Colin...
I AM Appalled...
I appreciate the time and effort put in by those that run and maintain this forum... and I am not being 'difficult' at all.
Guy Gibson fought and lost his life so that you and i are able to live the life we lead. His dog's name is / was a point of History.
If that name is used out of context, then it deserves to be ***Moderated***...
On this occasion, it was used in the correct context.
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OK, I like scale...
Too slow, you don't get enough exercise. :}
Given up on the exercise... gyms don't like me.. I'm full of electronics! So it's to the streets or nothing...
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toesupwa,
Unfortunately it isn't what was meant it is how it is TAKEN.
This has led to the plethora of problems that this causes.
But unfortunately it is the Law of the Land.
If it was guidelines it could me modified over time but it isn't.
But unfortunately it is a comment on societies values and not just this Forum.
With the situation in the US too I find it rather strange that you should be "Appalled"
Is there anything left now worth discussing on here?
Bob
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toesupwa,
But unfortunately it is a comment on societies values and not just this Forum.
With the situation in the US too I find it rather strange that you should be "Appalled"
Is there anything left now worth discussing on here?
Bob
I agree Bob....
I'm British by birth... and realise that Millions gave up their lives in WW2 so i can live the way i do.
I also realise that History needs to be changed so we dont offend anyone. <:(
No, there is nothing more worth discussing here....
Ralph Kings
Vancouver, WA 98694 USA
Currently crying .. and i think Guy Gibson would be too
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Why bother to mention Guy Gibson at all, just an excuse to use the N word I think. I had an Uncle who would sometimes come out with really appalling comments. He meant nothing by it, it was just they way they spoke when he was a boy. Didn't mean that I had to put up with it though and he soon took the hint.
Colin
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Going back to the Royal family and what Harry was supposed to have said, is that not a short version of the county's name where the person came from, i.e Pakistan ?.
Is it any different to me being called a Brit, Pom etc ? or an Irishman being called Paddy, i don't have any problem with it.
As for Guys dog, as long as its used in the context of its the dogs name it shouldn't be moderated, in my opinion
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What about if I personally find that word offensive.... even within context?
We can't change history, the dog was called N****, ( I guess because originally the word in Latin means "black"),
we can't change that, but that name now has a whole new set of connotations in the current world.
Weather you like it or not, Model Boat Mayhem is a model boat forum FIRST and yes there is lots of off topic banter
on here which all adds to life rich tapestry...... but this is a closely monitored forum, which 99% of member agree is
necessary. We never going to achieve 100% moderation satisfaction because we're all different, so if I or the other
moderators say enough is enough then that's it. We try, if fact go out of our way to be as accommodating as possible
but even we have to be "politically correct" some times........ if you don't like it, leave the forum but before you do,
remember, we're here to talk model boats not "political correctness in the 21st century!"
"Free speech and expressions of personal opinions on this forum.
This Forum provides an opportunity to express opinions on a whole range of topics, not just model boating.
However,Martin (as the Site Owner and the one person who must ultimately carry the can for everything
that goes on in the Forum)and the Moderators he has appointed, are determined to ensure that all opinions
are expressed reasonably.
The Forum does not offer the right of uninhibited, free speech.
.....Lets play nicely everyone..... and Martin won't go to jail!"
Martin - Mayhem.
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, in my opinion
We don't do opinions in the UK any more... sorry, last out... put the fire out, the cat out, and lock the door
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Make it easy, shut the Chit-Chat section
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Where would be the fun in that! ok2
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:D
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Right. Good.
We all done now?
What did you get or more rightly, buy yourselves for Christmas presents?
And what are you hoping to build or finish off in 2009?
Me first:
Graupner Pegasus.
Bismarck made of sticks, brass and swearing.
Sheerline Akula.
... and they should be finished before Spring!
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A nixie tube clock!
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The PC types would have forty fits if ever they came to our yard...nobody goes by their name. Everyone has a nickname and nobody takes it seriously...we have a slightly off colour chap known as Denzil, we have a Gobby, Twiglet, Pasta, Pecker, Wingnut(the boss), Romeo...etc. The list goes on..
Personally I don't give a t*ss about this PC stuff, I've been known as Sophie since I've been there(when I first went to work there I had a ponytail)and it's never bothered me. I've been called a lot worse at times and it's just water off a ducks back.
All the fuss about HRH Prince Charles is a load of tosh, he calls his mate Sooty and he gets called Big Ears in return...does he ever complain about it? Does he heck as like.
Come on people, folks have had nicknames since the year dot and nobody has complained until all this PC stuff arrived on our doorsteps...my father worked with a dwarf who was known as Six Foot, that was back in the 1930's. He never took offence...
Sophie
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Hi all not wanting to stir up any trouble and being careful how i word this, as i don't want nor intend to offend anyone, but,
am i the only person that has noticed when broadcast on TV Guy Gibson's dog's name is now not mentioned at all, I.E. cut out.
K. Coombs
Surrey
England
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First and foremost - this forum is Martin's. He makes it available to us and carries responsibility for it. That means if we choose to be here then we accept whatever rules and conventions he requires. That's as it should be.
Secondly I wasn't following the original thread so am not aware of the previous context in which the name of Guy Gibson's dog was used. Hence I don't know whether it was intended to be provocative. However in general terms I do not believe that we should be expected to rewrite history, whether from WWII or any other period. Certainly the word is considered offensive in modern usage and I would not use it in those circumstances. However if I needed to discuss the Dam Busters and the fact that the word was used as the code word for the destruction of one of the dams, at Gibson's request, because the dog was killed just before the raid, I would do so and not expect to be considered insensitive or racist but simply being historically and factually correct.
I think there is a very real difference between moderation and censorship. To broaden it to another recent example. I was amazed to see the term Bunting "idoit" moderated. AFAIK this has been the naval slang term for a signals rating for probably at least 100 years. It refers of course to the fact that signals ratings ran flag hoists up the halyards or "tossed bunting" rather than that they indulged in a form of self-abuse allegedly liable to cause blindness. That's what I mean. Moderation should take the context into account and not just ban words willy nilly.
Anyway that's my two penn'orth. While I do feel that this topic is important, the most important thing is the continuation of this forum as the most valuable internet resource for boat modellers.
I'm off to make a donation to the running costs!
Guy
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Hi Guy
It looks like your bunting thrower got caught by the software. As without the Bunting in front of it the word has another meaning. So it is/was automatically changed.
Not moderators actions but website software.
Regards
Mark
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Hi Guy
It looks like your bunting thrower got caught by the software. As without the Bunting in front of it the word has another meaning. So it is/was automatically changed.
Not moderators actions but website software.
Regards
Mark
So I see. I think I knew it had another meaning taken on its own ;) In that case apologies to the moderators but "null points" to the software for not being context sensitive. Maybe given that Bunting T****r is a perfectly acceptable Naval term and that no one on this forum would ever dream of accusing another member of self-abuse, t****r could be taken off the "naughty words" list :-)
Guy
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I agree with you there Guy.
This thread brings to the front how you have to be very aware on every thing you say of even infer
I was modded on a different forum for using the nick name for my wife. I now tread very wearily on that site in case I slip up with the wrong key strokes.
R,
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The trouble is... that there is too much bunting abuse going on... {-)
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I really am appalled....
This TigerTiger guy seems to be a law unto himself, and having complained to Martin about him on a previous occasion, AND not even been granted the courtesy of a response, I am frankly appalled that we are now not apparently allowed to freely quote from English war time history.
Guy Gibson and his Dambuster's were brave men, many of whom gave their lives so that we might enjoy free speech. What a truly stupendous waste of life that turned out to be!
I've had enough...
Goodbye all.
Malc
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last note on PC: it is just another way of making laws for making law's sake.
Right. Good.
We all done now?
What did you get or more rightly, buy yourselves for Christmas presents?
And what are you hoping to build or finish off in 2009?
Me first:
Graupner Pegasus.
Bismarck made of sticks, brass and swearing.
Sheerline Akula.
... and they should be finished before Spring!
LIGHTS ON NORD ICELANDIA, a burned finger and burned thumb -
reminder to one's self, a soldering iron is not held like a ball point pen!
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It's good that such a conversation is going on! serious... Might just help get people thinking!
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jon, indeed. :)
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Oh for goodness sake lads get a grip on yourselves if you don't like it then TOUGH stop the posting of political correctness like is it correct to have a flag on my German boat etc etc lets get back top model boating or is it that this site is now going to be a,LEST SEE WHAT TROOUBLE WE CAN CAUSE THE MODERATORS AND MARTIN.
Get a life and go to your sheds and build boats and stop trying to gain points off each other.
Personally if it was my site and anthing like this was posted I would delete the thread then no probs
Stavros
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Tiger Tiger has my full support, as do all the moderators.
( Sorry you didn't get my response Malc, I'll find it and send it again. )
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Oh for goodness sake lads get a grip on yourselves if you don't like it then TOUGH stop the posting of political correctness like is it correct to have a flag on my German boat etc etc lets get back top model boating or is it that this site is now going to be a,LEST SEE WHAT TROOUBLE WE CAN CAUSE THE MODERATORS AND MARTIN.
Get a life and go to your sheds and build boats and stop trying to gain points off each other.
Personally if it was my site and anthing like this was posted I would delete the thread then no probs
Stavros
In Germany you can't have swastikas on your model boats! That is hearsay though. Shame really, if it had and you are representing the said vessel as an accurate model, then it should be so...
John
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jon you can have them BUT they have to be defaced
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Oh.... right.. so what do you have to do.. I was thinking of the issue if I was going to take a boat to Germany?
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from two thick bars, draw a thin line, OR put a white sticker over the actual swastika, either over ALL of it, or just where the centre of the cross is. best option would be a round spot made from white tape
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Well that's enough for me now... off to the pub for a pint and in-depth political and controversial conversation ... until that gets banned {:-{ ... that's the beer not the conversation.. :-X
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they have already banned beer...
why else would they put xxxx on a can? {-) {-) {-)
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Hey Ghosty! That's actually funny! ok2
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...Hi Guys...
This is really starting to Pi&& Me @ff in a serious way...
"You cant do this or you or you cant say that" in case it might upset the Jews or Muslims or some other religious or national creed...
My stance is this...
If they dont like the way We Are & Act in Our Country, Then they can Sodd Off Back to their Own Country...
Do you think these people worry about upsetting any other race or creed in their own country ....I Dont Think So...
A recent example of this took place recently involving a Glasgow Model Boat Club...
The Club in this case were trying to get their Clubhouse smartened up by the Local Council prior to a rather large model boat event taking place at their venue...
The Council were reluctant to carry out the work due to costs, But when the Council were informed that Someone had painted "Swastikas" on the walls of their Clubhouse, A complete paint job was carried out within 48 hours...
The Council,s statement was...We had to remove the Graffiti before it upset certain sects...What About The Graffitti upsetting the Local Residents...But then again we dont matter as much as other certain groups...
...Best Regards...Norry...
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Evening Norry!
Just when I thought it was beginning to calm down..... {:-{
Get your rants in now, I'll be deleting this topic too later! ok2
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Get your rants in now,
And that's what they are, just rants.... This whole topic has been completely pointless, lost us a member and not contributed one whit to the benefit of the world at large.
Thanks Martin, rant over. ok2
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I bought the missus a living room carpet for christmas
Mark
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Hi all not wanting to stir up any trouble and being careful how i word this, as i don't want nor intend to offend anyone, but,
am i the only person that has noticed when broadcast on TV Guy Gibson's dog's name is now not mentioned at all, I.E. cut out.
K. Coombs
Surrey
England
This not true, when the "Dam Busters" was remastered last year and shown in cinemas and TV the name of the dog was still there and it was also used as the code word for a busted dam...
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Well said Dan, I suspect that reflects the silent majority. Glad you enjoy the site despite the odd hiccups!
Colin
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Thats why i tried to change subject,but failed miserably
Mark
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The moderation is hugely important. This is a definate "better safe than sorry" scenario. This is a model boats forum. The last place you would expect to see an argument about PC correctness. Im sure most would agree the forum is far more important than being allowed to say words which alot of people may find offensive.
Come on this is models boats.........Its supposed to be fun. Not serious :-)
My Pacific Buccaneer is coming on slowly because the shed has been really cold recently. Planking will commense this weekend! (if it warms up!)
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i cant take photos just now as my downloader programme has corrupted itself <:(
actually it was me who currupted it. Totally 100% my own idiocy.
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I bought the missus a living room carpet for christmas
Mark
I'm sure she was chuffed to bits... :}
In regards to thsi thread , what ever the reason behind the start of it , it is the chit chat thread and regardless of the content think its been pretty mild. however it appears we unfortunately seemed to have lost another member.. {:-{
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Back again, just had me dinner! I know I shouldn't eat this late by my dietician was cooking! {-)
Do you remember when a couple of years ago I got so annoyed/upset at another topic like this and I took the whole
forum down for a couple of days to regroup myself? But I'm older, wiser.... and a little tubbier now.... and do you
know what really important? Well cooked baked potatoes, oven backed chicken that's not dried out, breaded garlic
mushrooms that don't make your eyes water and value brand coleslaw that doesn't taste cheap...... that and free speech.
I must admit I do like to hear people opinions and reasoning's, it's most enlightening. I guess we all have our own 'blue
touch paper', and topic like this help vent our spleen, maybe because we feel powerless in a crazy world.... We have
created a world where banks have no money, non democratic democracies, Israel and Palestine killing each other and
no really cares, bottled water that cost more than petrol, recycling that goes into landfill, police that are scared of teenagers,
increasing carbon footprints as we drive our cars, economic doom, that Burke winning X factor and the vote debacle on Strictly
come dancing! But what can I do?!? I know, I'll have a rant on Mayhem! Well glad to be of service…. but that's all it is a rant,
pub talk, personal opinions, spleen venting, frustration, conversation, gossip, chitchat.
Anyone want to talk model boats yet? :-)
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This has now gone on far enough.
So far it has cost the Forum a member and for what?
So a few can get on their hobby horse and express their "freedom of speech"
This was Martins recent post:
What about if I personally find that word offensive.... even within context?
We can't change history, the dog was called N****, ( I guess because originally the word in Latin means "black"),
we can't change that, but that name now has a whole new set of connotations in the current world.
Weather you like it or not, Model Boat Mayhem is a model boat forum FIRST and yes there is lots of off topic banter
on here which all adds to life rich tapestry...... but this is a closely monitored forum, which 99% of member agree is
necessary. We never going to achieve 100% moderation satisfaction because we're all different, so if I or the other
moderators say enough is enough then that's it. We try, if fact go out of our way to be as accommodating as possible
but even we have to be "politically correct" some times........ if you don't like it, leave the forum but before you do,
remember, we're here to talk model boats not "political correctness in the 21st century!"
"Free speech and expressions of personal opinions on this forum.
This Forum provides an opportunity to express opinions on a whole range of topics, not just model boating.
However,Martin (as the Site Owner and the one person who must ultimately carry the can for everything
that goes on in the Forum)and the Moderators he has appointed, are determined to ensure that all opinions
are expressed reasonably.
The Forum does not offer the right of uninhibited, free speech.
.....Lets play nicely everyone..... and Martin won't go to jail!"
Martin - Mayhem.
Just to make it clear:"The Forum does not offer the right of uninhibited, free speech."
I am locking this topic now and anyone starting up a similar one will have it deleted WITHOUT WARNING.
Bob
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The Dambusters dog N****r will be renamed Digger for a modern remake of the iconic film to avoid offending American viewers, it has emerged.
Script writer Stephen Fry, 53, has confirmed that pilot Guy Gibson's faithful black Labrador will be renamed for the forthcoming Peter Jackson movie.
In the original 1955 film Gibson's dog's name was spoken 12 times as a code word to report successful dam breaches to RAF Bomber Command.
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Offensive: Actor Richard Todd as Wing Commander Guy Gibson and his dog N*gger in the classic film, The Dambusters
But Fry, who is writing the script for the long-awaited remake, has revealed he will now be renamed Digger to avoid offending American viewers.
He said: 'There is no question in America that you could ever have a dog called the N-word.
'It's no good saying that it is the Latin word for black or that it didn't have the meaning that it does now - you just can't go back, which is unfortunate.
'You can go to RAF Scampton and see the dog's grave and there he is with his name, and it's an important part of the film.
'The name of the dog was a code word to show that the dam had been successfully breached.
'You just can't go back': Stephen Fry, is writing the script for the remake of The Dambusters, which Peter Jackson, will direct
'In the film, you're constantly hearing 'n-word, n-word, n-word, hurray' and Barnes Wallis is punching the air.
'But obviously that's not going to happen now. So Digger seems okay, I reckon.'
The iconic 1955 film tells the story of British Second World War scientists who developed a bouncing bomb as a means of attacking Germany's dams.
During the film a special squadron of Lancaster bombers, 617 Squadron, is formed and trained by Wing Commander Guy Gibson.
His black Labrador dog N*gger is present throughout the film and his name repeatedly used as a code word to report successful breaches of dams.
But when Peter Jackson began planning a remake of the historic film, which has been scripted by Fry, the team agreed to rename him Digger.
N*gger died in a car accident on the morning of the Dambusters raid on 16 May 1943 and is buried at the squadron's home of RAF Scampton, Lincs.
The move has attracted criticism from historians and aviation enthusiasts who have revealed they are 'unhappy' with the alteration.
Mervyn Hallam, curator of RAF Scampton museum, today slammed the change and accused Fry of trying to 'rewrite history'.
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Guy Gibson, centre, with the air crews who took part in the raid on Cologne. He won the Victoria Cross for his bravery during the Dambusters raid
He said: 'It's not a problem with coloured people it's the people in power creating the problem. Sod their political correctness and sod human rights.
'They should keep the dog's name the same - it's ridiculous that they are trying to rewrite history. His grave is still here with his name on it.
'What they are trying to do is dishonouring N*gger and dishonouring the brave men who flew that mission.
'We have over 9,000 visitors a year at RAF Scampton and many of them are not native to England but none of them are offended.
'N*gger is the name of the dog and that shouldn't be interfered with. In the context of the time and the film it's not a racist name.'
Jim Shortland, a historian who specialises in the Dambusters, added: 'I'm unhappy with the change because it's sacrificing historical accuracy for political correctness, in
particular for the American market.
'If someone was offended by Guy Gibson's name you wouldn't go around calling him Richard Todd.
'One wonders what else the film might get wrong. Once you know something is incorrect, you're going to be suspicious.'
But Phil Bonner, spokesman for Aviation Heritage Lincolnshire, admitted the name of the dog is 'very emotive'.
He said: 'The name of the dog is very emotive for many people and in some respects it's a reflection of the changes that have happened across the generations.
'The whole core of the film is about the bravery of the people who flew from Lincolnshire on a very daring raid and it's important that this aspect of the film is not watered
down.'
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Right... I'm just wondering how long it will take for the plot to come out looking like two main characters that single handily pushed back the attack on Pearl Harbour in there spitfires and Hawaiian shirts.
As for the dog called N*gger well it was racist then (KKK anybody?) don't think calling it digger is to far out of place but i wonder how many people will really know what that name was all about.
''Sir we got another n*gger''
or
''Sir we got another digger'' starting to sound like something out of Black Adder goes forth, oh wait Stephen Fry is writing it... no wonder.. ''Come On Darling!''
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Ridiculous in my opinion! Ffs it's what it was called, could kind of understand it if it was a nickname for a black pilot but come on!
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This film project was first mentioned over two years ago and then went very quiet, heres hoping it wasnt the dogs name holding back what will, hopefully be a worthwile remake of an excellent movie of a heroic moment in RAF history. They already have full size lancaster replica bombers crowding out the effects workshops in New Zealand!
For the record... PC LUNACY.
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I'm in two minds about this.
...No, three. :embarrassed:
1/ Films telling historical stories are never accurate - but that's ok, since we all buy into the "compress events, characters and plot into 100+minutes" thing, and can use a film as a springboard for further research if we wish. So I don't mind if elements are changed, as long as they're not detrimental to the source material. A name change, in this instance, is not detrimental.
2/ PC Lunacy would include black and female RAF aircrew, presumably? Maybe a wheelchair-using bombardier, a blind pilot and a midget tail gunner? I suspect we'll see none of those things.
3/ If I were to take my boys to the cinema to see this (they're 9 and 13) without the name change then I'm certain they'd be suprised (and hopefully offended) at inappropriate language used in what would appear to be a bizarre context. It would require explanation of that context: and that's something I will certainly do after they'd enjoyed the film - a chance to explain the reasons for the name change and to place the events in their historical setting.
Andy, keen to see what Peter Jackson and modern technology can do with this story, and certainly not upset by this most minor of alterations.
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Imagine the indignation if they did use the name, you would never hear the end of it, probably best to gloss over this piece of history to preserve the rest of it.
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Since when have films had any connection with history?. Gandhi, for instance, was a stunning picture but wildly inaccurate, and there are countless other examples. Films have to make a profit. If you want history, read a well chosen book. It will be interesting to see if this film is any more accurate than the original or for that matter, Brickhill's book.
The aircraft in the photo, incidentally, are Manchesters - reckoned to be more of a danger to their crews than the enemy.
Re Dreadnought's #2: Ron Dean was waxing highly amusing at Wicksteed about how two civil servants visited him to insist that his sets of crew figures contain at least one woman! And we pay these drones' wages.
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What I want to know is:
Who will play the brilliant American inventor who told Barnes Wallis how to design the bouncing bomb?
Who will play the dashing American pilot who actually leads the mission but whose existence has to be kept secret because America is not in the war yet?
Who will play the beautiful American spy who finds out something critical to the mission, like where the dams are, and then falls in love with the dashing American pilot?
Who will play the daring American general who actually conceived the whole plan but needed to use Britain as a base because Flying Fortresses did not have the range from the US? (You didn't know the aircraft were really Flying Fortresses, did you?)
You will need all these people if the film is to sell in the US. As it is, expect Joe McCarthy to eclipse Gibson in most of the scenes....
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There goes another classic movie ruined :(
Should be left well alone.....
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What difference does it make to the story if the dogs name is changed? The film is about a propoganda exercise in WW2 that didn't stop production to the extent it was broadcast to have done.
Did the same thing a few years later in the Falklands on the Airfield with the Vulcan. Totally ineffective but a moral booster to show that "We could"
Not decrying the bravery of those that fought and died in WW2 to make a land fit for heros but weren't they fighting Rascism?
And lets not forget who were the "Cruise controllers" feeding the American slave trade.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Regards Ian.
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What I want to know is:
Who will play the brilliant American inventor who told Barnes Wallis how to design the bouncing bomb?
Who will play the dashing American pilot who actually leads the mission but whose existence has to be kept secret because America is not in the war yet?
Who will play the beautiful American spy who finds out something critical to the mission, like where the dams are, and then falls in love with the dashing American pilot?
Who will play the daring American general who actually conceived the whole plan but needed to use Britain as a base because Flying Fortresses did not have the range from the US? (You didn't know the aircraft were really Flying Fortresses, did you?)
You will need all these people if the film is to sell in the US. As it is, expect Joe McCarthy to eclipse Gibson in most of the scenes....
Dodgy....
nail hit by hammer! :-))
we will be able to add this one to the Americans cracking the Enigma code, inventing the Harrier jump jet, and all the other utter tripe that is forced upon us by our tv providers (including the discovery channels)
db
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There goes another classic movie ruined :(
Should be left well alone.....
quite agree...the originals are always better IMHO...........and why bother when the original is still being shown and watched anyway......
mind you probably won't stop me from going to watch it......purely as a critical oversight, honestly, lol
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Are the Australians not going to be a bit peeved?
Most of us have some sort of specialist knowledge. Every so often, the media blunders onto that area. It very rarely comes near to getting the bits I know about right. I suspect it does the same everywhere else, but most people, despite knowing that the media knows sweet nowt about their field, invariably assumes that the rest of their driveling is true. The world might well wonder why a Black Labrador was named after the then nickname for Australians. A tiny minority might look, but in the scheme of things it will not matter much. An act of great skill and courage happened, and it should not be forgotten, but it will be. My dad told me about the East Lancs getting their seven VCs before breakfast, but as it will be difficult to work Americans into the middle east in 1916, a film, even an inaccurate one, is unlikely. More forgotten heroes.
At least if this film gets made, the memory will be revived.
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RE Dreadnought72
Post number 4
Paragraph 2 PC lunacy
In 1977 I worked at a colliery in S. Yorkshire and the onsetter ( the bloke that controlled the cage from the pit bottom )
Was nicknamed BLITZ.
He was about 5 foot 2 on his tiptoes and was a tailgunner in the 2nd World War.
He always said that they only picked him for that turret because he was small enough to take his parachute into the turret with him. :-))
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IMHO its ridiculous, That was the dogs name period..So basically History is getting rewritten to suit the dime bars..
The word is mentioned a few times in Pulp Fiction..nobody seems to get upset that I ever heard off..
I would not use the word to describe anyone or to call someone as that is now how it is however that was the dogs name..
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bloody pc is getting silly, how can calling something ni**er be a no no when in america black rappers seem to use the word when talking to each other, seems to be its the white pc brigade that have the issue not the people it apparently offends
wont be long, a new film which old winnie plays a role, he wont be allowed to use the two fingered victory salute nor be seen to smoke his cigars, its already in the model world, you cant get a model with swastikas on the decal sheets, i built a 1:16 beutepanzer , tried like hell to get the decals i wanted for it, not a chance, apparently it may upset some people - the bloody tank had swastikas on it, in the end i made my own decals , how long before no ones allowed to mention the holocaust ?? or use panzer/waffen ss in films
im seriously considering building a german torpedo boat, might just have `Deutschland über Alles` being played from a soundboard within it, see if the same idiots that baned the union jack being flown ban me from sailing it
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That's cos black people can call each other n*ggers (lol it didn't bleep that out!) and its not racist its just insulting same as me calling you a "idiot" (<-- supposed to say t w a t) {-) but when a white person says nigger its like instant clan hate, as i said KKK mentality we have our fore fathers attitudes towards those we find equal today to blame for that.
Shame that saying gollywog is also seen as racial hatred but i have a little gollywog sat on top of my radio in the workshop and i'm sure he keeps me sane either that or i';ve lost the plot and started talking to myself, errr but i swear he talks back! %% %% %% %% {:-{ {-) O0 ;D
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OH come off it Ian now we are bringing the slave trade into it - yes like many other countries at a less enlightened age
we were involved in the slave trade - we weren't the first country into it but we were certainly the first country to ban it
Geoff
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Giving up on this topic...
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and the main protagonists of this crap are white {-)
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But us diggers will just subtly and quietly bomb and kick the crap out of the yanks.
Digger is now the current term for the Australian soldier.
Will get onto Julia, Our PM, to have a word with Obama she'll fix them, O0 O0 O0
It is PC gone mad, an even more ridiculous example, in Oz we have a brand of cheese called 'Coon', some idiot applied to have it banned as it was racist.
Like the cheese wasn't black.
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I was going to comment on two posts but now I have come to do it, I realise that to do so would perpetuate this PC rubbish and give it the oxygen of discussion.
All I can say to the supporters of this PC drivel is get a life and read your HISTORY PROPERLY. i.e. from old books which have not been tainted by the Tony Blair school of apologists.
Needless to say, I shall not read this thread again.
Proud to be 1943 British.
John :-)) :-)) >:-o >:-o
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what i find funny is the fact that stephen fry is rewriting something that if taken by the wrong Deutsch speaker could be offensive to them since it was their fore fathers butts that took the kicking.... do we ever hear of that being offensive?
personally i think the dogs name should be left well alone and remains untouched as it gave meaning to the brave men of the time, call me naive being 27 and not having lived it but i often get a history lesson from a good friend who lived close to the time etc O0
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908 ( be aware this link has historically correct information)
it also seems to have made some of the papers, so it may be interesting if they decide to Re name the Pooch, funny the BBC seems to have no problem calling him by his proper non PC name.
peter
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looks like history is being REWRITTEN after all, it wont even be a "coloured" Labrador to play "Digger" but a Yorkshire Terrier named.... 'foreign' lol %% {-) {-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908/ext/newstracker/c.moreover.com/-/http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?z4831445152&z=1250248784
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We've done this one before, few times and it always gets out of hand...
Godwin's law
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