Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: uboatbuilder on October 05, 2006, 10:43:19 am
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Hi, this is our mini rc fleet comprised of a 1/350 tamiya enterprise, new jersey, bismark, tirpitz, 2 yamato's , musashi, pt-15 ( i think 1/35 or 1/72 cant remember) and 2 1/72 revell type 7's (both works in progress but will be static divers, with a third to come) These have proved quite popular at the lake we go to (black park) because at such a small size they're quite unusual and run very well.
I myself have built and painted these with the exception of the musashi (built and painted by my brother) and one of the yamato's (built and painted by my dad) And the new jersey was built by my brother 'cos he doesnt really like painting.These are their boats. And the bismark and 1 of the subs i did on my dads behalf. The rest are MINE ;D ;D
Grant. :)
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and more ;D
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And more ;D ;D
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Excellent pictures.
Well done.
Daryl
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Thank you. :)
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:o FANTASTIC! :o
Pics of the insides, any stories of problems encountered and how you overcame them, tips etc. very much appreciated...
What do you use for propellers?
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Very nice. As I am currently building a small model with limited access, I too would be very interested in pics and details of radio, servo and motor installation.
Rick
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Great pics, Love the PT Boat, I would be interested in knowing what the radio gear set up is in one of these.
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Bloody hell, you planning on starting a war?? :o :o. Very nice, you must have put a lot of hours into those.
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Hi guys, thanx for your comments. I'll try to get some pictures of the insides on here tomorrow if i get a chance, if not, they will definately be on here at some point.
There are already pics of the inside of the enterprise i posted in a topic i started recently in this section and to be honest the others are very similar, I try to keep everything as simple as possible. ;D
Propellors for the Enterprise are made by prop shop, and the props for the others came in the kits because they came with an option for a straight runner, yamato, musashi, bismark, tirpitz all came with gearboxes and proper driving props and shafts. New jersey has gearbox taken from another musashi, and enterprise from another tirpitz These made the conversions alot easier. However Tamiya have recently removed this option from the kits >:( >:( >:( However i dont see why it wouldnt be possible to just use more than one motor and get props and shafts from prop shop.
Ill explain more when i put the pictures on so you can see what im talking about.
OH, and i cant remember any problems at all in converting these again because i just kept it all so simple. The enterprise had some minor difficulties which again is explained in the other topic i started HAVE A LOOK! pics on there aswell.
if you want more info, im happy to help.
Thanks again. :)
Grant
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And laserblue, about a month or two for each of the battleships and PT, 7 months for the enterprise, and subs about two months to date with still a third to paint up and dive units to make up for all 3
And all airbrushed
Grant :)
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All very nicely done, I think converting plastic kits is going to take a lot of my time up this winter ;) I'm going to be bogged down for a while making the speedo on my first boat, but once I get over that I'm sure some more practical questions will come up.
Keep the pics coming - thanks!
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Hi. Here are the pics of the insides. They're named so you can see which is which. Thinking about it last night there was a problem i forgot to mention.
At first we used a 27mhz radio which suffered ALOT of interference, so we replaced it with a hitec 40mhz which helped but didnt cure, so we attached the receiver above the waterline (To the deck) and now the range is unlimited. Itll go so far you cant see it. No idea why this happened afterall subs work under water ??? . All the boats are like this however only pictured in 2. And it ways so little it doesnt effect the balance in any way.
All the boats use the same radio, esc, battery, and micro servos. and also the rudders were made out of brass.
Also forgot to mention that the PT 15 has instruction and parts to convert to R/C.
Hope these are ok will get more if wanted.
Grant :)
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Once again enterprise is available on a different topic. :)
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Looking at the pics is a great help, the use of velcro and the note about keeping the RX above the water line is interesting!
I'm suitably inspired to get on with my build; I'll try my best to keep it simple and focus on what is necessary, but unfortunately it's in my nature to add fripperies. I'm pretty certain I won't be able to get the paint as nice as those but I guess that'll come with practice.
Thanks again for sharing those pics, no doubt I'll be back with questions.
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Grant,
The twin shaft gear box in the Bismark is that a Tamiya standard gearbox, as I have one but had no idea who made it >>>
Roy
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hi roy ours came with the kit so probably yes without seeing your one hard to say. tamiya no longer supply them in the kits.
Grant
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I've got one of those too 8)
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Thanks Grant I will have to try and find a suitable model to put it in now....
Roy
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hi roy your welcome. grant
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Roy its probably best to be on the safe side and take the gearbox with to the shop and ask to see the kit, if like tamiyas it is a complete one piece hull then just put in the gearbox and see if the gearbox shafts look as though they near enough line up with where the prop shafts will go then it should be fine.
Look at the picture of the New Jersey, it doesnt line up perfectly (You can just see the bend in the rubber) but the rubber coupling takes out the misalignment and runs fine
Hope you find one.
Grant. :)
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nice work with the fleet ;D
just wondering what scale is your PT boat and is it a tamiya kit or revell??
really like the subs the paintwork is amazing.
Jay
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Hi PT boat is Tamiya. I'm almost positive its 1/35 but i'll check and get back to you.
I built it a while ago so ive kinda forgotten. :)
More in depth pics of the subs in the subs section if your interested. Spread over 2 topics.
Grant
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Hello to every one.
The PT 15 from Tamiya is 1/72, as I can see it in my own box and instructions.
Best Regards
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Yeah i checked the instructions this morning, and it is 1/72
Grant
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Did I see these at Beale Park today, or where they someone else's models?
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Nope not us. :)
which ones were at beale park
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Wonderful work, have you seen the 1/350 Hood by Trumpeter?
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Havent seen the kit itself but thought about doing one to go with the bismark
Grant
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Nope not us. :)
which ones were at beale park
Bismarck was there, plus a few other WW2 battleships, but I couldn't name them. I forgot to take my camera, perhaps someone else was there with a camera (Martin?), who can post some photos.
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Yeah pics would be good
Grant :) :)
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There was also a Tamiya Enterprise there as well, on the same stand/ in the same gazebo.
Did anyone get any pics ???
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Grant,
It looks like at the moment the gearbox will be going in a New Jersey, only problem it is not a Tamiya, some other strange brand....
Roy
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Grant,
It looks like at the moment the gearbox will be going in a New Jersey, only problem it is not a Tamiya, some other strange brand....
Roy
I got one of those. Its either the New Jersey, Bismark or Tirpitz.
Have a feeling Nelson and Prince of Wales were single screw.
Have still got the paperwork somewhere ,will look it out.
Richard 8) 8) 8)
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Roy is the Jersey WW2 spec or Gulf war spec ???
Gulf war spec (my brothers tamiya) does look cool with the seahawk helicopter on the back and looks good sailin round with the enterprise.
Grant :)
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Oh and be warned, i didnt mention it before, the boat has one rudder but because the gearbox and the mould only lets you run 2 props instead of the 4 it should have. This means that there is no thrust directly on the rudder, the props kinda point away from it So it has a pretty big turning circle in an ideal world i suppose having the 2 inner props and/or 2 rudders aswell would help this.
Hope this doesnt put you off
Sorry i didnt mention it earlier :(
Grant
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Thanks Grant I wll have a better look and see what I can come up with, will let you know....
Roy
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Roy you should consider using a photoetched set for it aswell, it makes the model look so much better than with the basic kit parts.
we only used P/E on the Jersey and Enterprise, and I regret not using it on the others :'(
Once you see how good it looks with P/E you wont use kit parts again if you can help it afterall who wants solid plastic radars etc
Can give you model numbers if you want them
I can put on a comparison photo aswell
Grant :)
PS.can also get P/E figures in this scale i used them on my enterprise they're so small you wouldnt think you'd notice them but they really help to set it off.
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Where do you go to get your PE stuff from? The t'internet somewhere or is there a real shop in the UK that stocks this kind of stuff?
Not sure if this link will work for anybody else, but here's a translated version of a Yamato build with lots of PE: Yamato + PE build - wow! (http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient-menuext&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ekcn%2Ene%2Ejp%2F%7Enabeck%2Fhg%2Dpura%2Ehtm)
There is quite a bit about the Mikasa with PE on that site which is my personal goal.
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Grant,
That would be good mate, need all the help and advice I can get....
Roy
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HI guys im a bit busy today but ill try to get pics on here as soon as possible.
Ill also dig out the part numbers and post them
But we use two sources, we have a fairly local Hannants who ordered most of it for me, or there is White ensign models which is probably the best bet (theyre somewhere in this country) but i think theyre just mail order cant remember their website ill find out but i have their product list and if you want something they probably have it (for kit boats that is) Ill give you their phone number aswell (though quite expensive from down under :D )
I have to use an internet cafe so when i get home and get a chance (cutting out holes on my brothers sub at the moment) ill take pics find the info and post it on here
Grant
PS. That yamato..... WOW now you see why i wish id used PE on mine Its the little things that make a big difference. Still, live and learn as they say
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Oh by the way the best thing we've found to ballast these is self adhesive lead strips (you can see them in the pics) you can cut the strips to what you want and place them exactly where you want and move them around if it turns out to be wrong unlike the lead shot that some people use that you to glue in the strips are alot less hassle.
Grant :)
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Thanks Grant,
I've got to admit I'm a little intimidated by the PE, I'm not exactly ham fisted or without a certain amount of patience, it just screams difficult to me!
Your models look superb, I don't think there is any real need to improve on the great job Tamiya have done especially for a working RC boat that sails around some distance away. However I am very attracted to the detail that PE can give, I don't feel I have the skill to do a scratch build to the standard that I want and I don't currently have the time to learn, but I think I could just about pull off a build of a good kit with a few etched additions that would be of a level that I would be very happy with.
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I Know what you mean i was daunted by it the first time (enterprise) but just went for it instead of thinking about it. And im glad i did.
Its not that difficult, it just takes a little bit more time. Also one big advantage i found was that it doesnt break. For example: (true story)
A box fell on top of my enterprise whilst i had it on my bedroom floor the mast and its platforms and railings round the island were all in pieces, but if the platforms were plastic they would have bent and snapped (irretrievable) but the brass can just be bent back to shape and after a couple of days was as new.
And though you may not see much of it on the water, when people are admiring it out of the water it makes all the difference.
And well im just really fussy about aesthetics. Everything has to look as good as it can.
Grant
anyway will get pics, details on here 2morrow
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Ok, Roy a possible problem with the PE never thought of it before 'cos it wasnt relevant to me but the PE sets they do are designed for the Tamiya kit which means that they will be for the modern version and not WW2. Though you should be able to still use some of it
However in case yours turns out to be the modern version ill put them on here. And Kikkari they do one for the Mikasa on the list i have it says "coming soon" but this is dated april 8th 2006 so it should be out by now. ANYWAY
Order from these guys theyre your best bet.
White Ensign models (based in Ludlow, Shropshire)
www.whiteensignmodels.com
Tel: 0870 220 1888 E-mail: [email protected]
i used:
Gold Medal Models:
350-1 (modern USS New Jersey)
350-8 (Naval Figures)
However White ensign do their own (i havent used them though, may be better) and only they do the mikasa
PE 3535 ("Ultimate" USS New Jersey) for tamiya, 2 sheets
PE 3586 (Mikasa, for Hasegawa Kit)
Hope thats ok, got some pics just to get an idea of what you get, railings,ladders etc. and a comparison of kit and PE radar (sorry one is a bit washed out... Bad light this morning)
Grant
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Cheers, I'll get my wallet out...
I hadn't realised that you had done that much with the PE, I'm now even more impressed than I was... 8)
The radar comparison picture is excellent, very compelling to see the difference. Having seen the PE version I'm afraid I couldn't put up with the kit one anymore... there you've turned me into a PE snob.
Have you developed any techniques for getting the folding accurate, I gather there are special tools for this?
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Thanks for that Grant they do look a hell of a lot better, I will try to source them here first, as I don't want to take out a loan to pay the postage from there to here... :o :o
Roy
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Hi, those pics only touch the surface id have to spend ages loading pics to show it all in great detail! But at least you see what I mean. I dont use any special tools, just tweezers a craft knife and super glue. The brass bends real easy, so for example with the railings i cut off a length that looks long enough, measure it up to where im putting it, trim it if need be, and bend with tweezers where they go round corners, and before i fix them i just do a final check to make sure everything lines up.
If you look at the pictures again the railings are essentially just a line of rectangles so when i line them up i count how many rectangles there are from the first edge to the first corner and bend it at that point then from that corner to the next and so on.
(Thats the simplest way of explaining it)
Oh and I hope you can get hold of them alright over there Roy, you should be able to
Grant :)
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If anyone needs more info just ask, Kikkari im thinkin' you might need prop shops contact details (if you dont have them already) if you do ask and ill get it on here.
Grant :) :)
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Well I just have to get an etch set and try then. I'll have a look to see if there's anything at the Blackpool show - never been to a boat show before so not quite sure what to expect.
I've been a bit busy with work and model cars, so not much progress from me. I had some advice about making my own props so I'm going to give that a try - keep an eye out on my Mikasa build thread to see how I get on...
If I don't post anything about making props and I ask you about prop shop then I guess you'll have enough tact not to ask how I got on with making props! :)
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Grant could i bother you to repost up some pictures of your Bismarck with a internal picture aswell ;D
Cant afford a 1/72nd scale bismarck :( so i spent an hour in the model shop deciding whether to get the tamiya 1/350 bismarck or revells 1/72 flower corvette, finally decided to go for the bismarck which is a personal favourite ship of mine anyway.
dont think i will be able to get it as nice as yours but will give it a try, should be a nice model out on the lake even if a bit smaller then i would have liked ;)
Jay
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Jay,
I got a r/c plastic kit in my study.
Bob
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Good god man is there any thing you haven't got ?
Richard :-*
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Grant could i bother you to repost up some pictures of your Bismarck with a internal picture aswell ;D
Cant afford a 1/72nd scale bismarck :( so i spent an hour in the model shop deciding whether to get the tamiya 1/350 bismarck or revells 1/72 flower corvette, finally decided to go for the bismarck which is a personal favourite ship of mine anyway.
dont think i will be able to get it as nice as yours but will give it a try, should be a nice model out on the lake even if a bit smaller then i would have liked ;)
Jay
Jay exterior photos are on page 1 of this thread.
Richard ;)
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Hi jay, i apologise for the delay i havent been on here properly in ages but i have some pics for you i hope they're ok i took them quickly this morning on my phone rather than charging my camera hope the quality is ok. if you want any more just ask, and ill try to be quicker in getting them on ;D ;D
sorry again
Grant
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Fantastic cheers ;D
I can fit mine out similar to yours then get it on the water one day when its finished.
Jay