Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Voyager on July 30, 2009, 11:28:25 pm
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I've had this smit nearly 9 months and i've yet to run her, other than bath testing that is. I bought this tug of a fellow mayhem member to tinker with at my own speed. The model was nicely put together but, i wanted something to gradually make my own :-)) So here goes....
I sanded down the bullwark and hull to remove as much wood grain as possible and used car filler in places. I then spray painted hull red (Halfords red primer) and used filler primer on any uneven surfaces. Halfords satin black was used on the outside bullwark and left overnight to dry. As i like my models weathered i set about picking a colour that would reflect a stained weather hull, for this i picked Tamiya "Buff" for the bullwark, "medium/dark grey" for the hull red. I applied the colours via an airbrush to pick out the detail in the kort nozzles and rudders (see pic's). I used "light Buff" for the hull waterline mark before starting to add rust on top of that (work ongoing in that area) I masked off the front to apply the nearest blue i could find, same can be said for the yellow. I have some light bleeding here and there but i'll give that a few days before remasking them again to respray.
Voyager
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I like your start at weathering on the Neddy. I'm going to watch with interest and see how you make out. I'd like to do something similar to mine to give a "lived in" look.
John
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Here are some better pic's taken during the day of the work so far!
Voyager
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Hi John, and thanks!
I've modelled boats before but never a tug, so i've kept my weathering low key until now. I am following some good pic's of the full size boat i found on the internet, so will see how it all turns out. If you do make a start then if there's anything i can help you with then i will, on the flip side, i'll let you know when things DON'T work and so you can avoid making the same costly mistakes :-))
Voyager/Wayne
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Thanks very much. I like the rust marks at the water line.....nice touch.
John
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Coming on very nicely. Keep the pictures coming. :-))
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Coming on very nicely. Keep the pictures coming. :-))
Footski:
Haven't seen you on for a while. Welcome back to the land of the living.
John
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Footski:
Haven't seen you on for a while. Welcome back to the land of the living.
John
Cheers John,
Major computer illness knocked me out for a while!!
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The outside of the hull is now finished after having a mixture of satin and matt varnishes to seal in the weathering. I'm very happy with the results so far, managed to learn a few things on the way which is always helpful. The next step will be to remove the fire monitors as i won't be fitting these again, then, remove anchor winch before sanding down the deck. I'm kinda hoping this next step will be fairly straight forward with less cursing and swearing, so i'd best keep my fingers crossed!
Voyager
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You may find the following mayhem link of assistance. I've posted a copy of a photo of the prototype Neddy's foredeck:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10387.75
Jhn
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Very much so ...YES!!!!!!!!!!! You've done an outstanding job on yours John, very, very impressed with your weathering on the anchor winch and your quality build up thread :-)) I don't suppose you would knwo where i might be able to get some images of the wheelhouse interior??? I want to strip mine bare and do a super detailed version if i'm able to get plenty of images to go by.
Voyager
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Thanks very much, I'm glad you found it helpful. Like you I was looking, and still am, for interior shots of this class of tug. To date I haven't found anything to work with. I've extrapolated as best I could from Billings drawings, but they are sketchy at best. To that end this is what I have. I've included a radar screen and throttle levers and a few other minor items, but thats about it. There is a stairway inside the wheel house from the starboard rear of the wheel house to the deck below. This is all internal so much of of it wouldn't be seen, however, it would make a nice detail to include.
As to the anchor winch. I used the Billings item as a start, then added more detail. I don't think my thread shows that completely. If you wish I can include more of the pictures of the mods I made to bring it more in line withe the one on the deck of the prototype. If you'd prefer I can send them directly to you via email if you'd like to send me your email address via PM.
John
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Cheers John, i'll go by what you've done to yours :-))
Voyager/Wayne
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Wayne:
AS promised, here's the picture of the interior of my Neddy's wheel house as it is now. I still plan on putting railings on the console, an anti skid mat in front of the console and a few miscellaneous bits of detail such as fire extinguisher, paper work etc.
The stairway I mentioned would be in the lower right corner of the wheel house. The stairway is backed up by a seat and , to its right, a cabinet.
The colours I picked up from another Smit tug wheel house, so its a bit of a guess here. Anyway its the best I can come up with until I see some actual pics.
John
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Nice work John, thanks for the pic :-)) I'll work on copying the layout and design you did for yours, as well as the colours as it looks good i must say!
Thanks for sending me the pic's to my email address, i'm keeping those handy for when i start work on the front winch.
Wayne
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I should mention, the two handles to the right of center on the console. I intended them to represent the throttle controls for each of the props. Used stainless dress pins to imitate the handles. Seems to work well and they're about the right size.
John
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the weathering is great voyager........... keep the pictures coming please
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the weathering is great voyager........... keep the pictures coming please
Thanks very much Guy :-) I'll be doing more work on her towards the end of the week, and will post pic's as things develope.
Voyager/Wayne
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Hi Wayne. love the weathering and the rust on the bow is 1stclass.
here some links that may be of use to you.
John
http://www.geocities.com/scheepsmodelbouw/index-engels.html
http://www.tugboats.de/index2.html
http://www.g4ivn.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.tugspotters.com/dev/
http://www.thingwalldocks.com/Site/Welcome.html
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Very impressive list of sites i must say, not sure i'm up to their standards :(( However i shall plod on, and if my end results are half as good then i'll be well chuffed with myself. Some of the weathering on those sites is simply spot on, very realistic and fuels me with plenty of ideas.
Voyager/Wayne
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After a little break i'm back working on my Smit. I wasn't sure how best to remove my deck fittings, so held my breath and thought of England....so i started pulling and twisting and to my surprise i removed all the fitting without breaking any...phew :o I filled in the holes in the deck that were made for the fire monitors, i won't be fitting those back on. After the filler had dried I lightly sanded the deck down and sprayed satin green using an airbrush what i thought was the correct green, it turns out the paint is a fair bit lighter on the inside than what's painted on the lid (which i'm surprised about as i've never had a problem with Humbrol before). The deck shows a number of inperfections so i need to sand it all down again before i give it another base coat. I'm toying around with the idea of putting a texture plastic-card deck around the front winch area to simulate metal that's been painted, still thinking about this approach {:-{ I will be doing further work today, smoothing the deck down and repainting and weathering the fittings so hope all goes well.
I'm looking at investing in yet another airbrush for a wider paint spray, possibly a Badger 350.
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I weathered the main deck fittings today, very happy with the results so far! The remainder of the fittings such as ventilators etc won't be weathered, i'll leave those as is.
Voyager
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A beautiful job. Just right.... :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks very much Footski :D
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Latest so far:
Deck re-painted the correct green.
Bullwark painted.
Bullwark weathered along with winch deck area only.
Anchor winch and bollard now fitted in place.
Some more fittings finished and weathered.
Voyager
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Looking good.
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Many thanks for that :}
Anyway...
I've painted some more of the bullwark, still a few things to touch up as far as overspray goes. I have some small fittings still to paint,some weathering on the deck to do as well as adding a name to the hull (Name as yet undecided).
The next major step will be the inner deck and superstructure This is going to be to be a long and fiddly job as i plan to completely rebuild a new wheelhouse and add lots of detail as i go. I was pleased to remove the rear towing winch without breaking anything, and again i plan to add detail such as bolts etc to bring it to life.
Wish me luck!
Voyager
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Quick update!
Found some old transfers gathering dust in my workshop tonight, so added a "Warning" border around my anchor winch as well as a "Danger" sign.
Voyager
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BECC lettering turned up in the post today :} I've settled on a name for her "Smit Denemarken" and name now fitted in place. I very lightly weathered these down, although it's not easy to pick this up in the image below. More noticable is the textured and weathered floor plate in front of the winch controls.
For those who might be interested i use a combination of "Winton Oil Washes" thinned with white spirit and applied with a fine paint brush. I leave the surface to dry for 30 min's before wiping away with a cotton bud only to leave slight traces behind to dry off.
Voyager
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Would anyone recommend sealing in the vinyl lettering??? It looks fairly secure to me and it's suppose to be waterproof!
Any advice fellas???
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Ok...obviously no advice then >>:-( No matter ;D
Been taking the superstructure apart last night after i got in from work. I've sinse found out my boat was built in 1998 after seeing it penciled in underneath the wheelhouse. Here are some pic's as to what it currently looks like, and also a pic from when i purchased the boat 9-10 months ago.
Voyager
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Would anyone recommend sealing in the vinyl lettering??? It looks fairly secure to me and it's suppose to be waterproof!
I didn't seal mine and I have sailed it nearly every week during the summer with no ill effects.
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That's brilliant, i shall keep it at is then! Many thanks Ixion for your reply :-)) :-)) :-))
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Sorry not gave an answer before,
Looking good,and as Ixion has said no need to seal the letters,i sail on salt water,
and no ill effects so far.
Mark
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No probs and thanks for the reply :-))
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Portholes removed and replaced with a more accurate version. Primer filler applied and sanded between coats before a final coat of white primer before the white enamel coat.
Voyager
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Enamel white applied to superstructure, vents painted and fitted, handrails painted, floodlights painted and tyre fenders fitted.
So far so good :P
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Started work on the winch. I used several coats of filler primer to obtain a nice smooth finish to apply the paint. I added some rivet detail in the form of resin rivets to bring out the detail.
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Inner deck now sprayed (gloss green) but will give it a week to dry before applying a satin coat of Ronseal. Deck winch has received a coat of satin black, just the drums to work on now before fitting it into place.
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Some more fittings made from scratch, painted and fitted.
Voyager
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Its looking very good. What's the box to the left of the red box on the railing. It appears to have "hydraulic hoses" coming from it?
John
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Thanks! Not quite sure on that one, possibly an air conditioning unit maybe? I will be painting the pipes white as in the picture once they are fitted properly.
Here's the pic that i'm copying.
Voyager
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Thanks for the info. Great picture too. Did you ever find a picture of the wheelhouse interior?
John
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Your welcome :-)) No, still searching for some inside shots of the wheelhouse.
Voyager
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Not quite sure on that one, possibly an air conditioning unit maybe? I
Yes, Smit Ierland has the air con unit on the wheelhouse roof!
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Thanks for clearing that one up, had an idea that's what it was!
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Thanks for clearing that one up, had an idea that's what it was!
Its coming on very nicely, what are you going to use for thye rectangular halogen lights as I need some for mine and haven't found anything a suitable size?
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Well, more than likely i'll just make them up out of some spare plasticard. I'm not planning on making those lights workable, maybe at a later date i may change my mind but for now i think she has enough lights to make her look good.
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Its coming on very nicely, what are you going to use for thye rectangular halogen lights as I need some for mine and haven't found anything a suitable size?
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cap maquettes do them in several scales, .. larger scales.... :-)
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Work in progress but i wasn't very happy with the vents after obtaining some good reference images of the full size "Denemarken". I have some more rivet heads to drill and fit and they do look the part when compared to the kit version.
Voyager
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Good idea on the rivets. I juts noticed, on the prototype photo, that the vent assembly stands about 8 - 10" off the wall of the deck house. I made mine flush. I think I'm going to have to redo that part. The louver arrangement looks different too. instead of slanted louvers it appears to be alternating raised and lowered portions to cover the vents, is this how yours is made?
John
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Hi there! Looking at the image the slats appear to be all facing down, also, there seems to be a center bar so as to seperate the slats into a left and right section! My vets are all facing down as in the picture. I've managed to obtain some very good reference pic's to follow, trouble is the web site has restrictions on copying so can only view the images when i'm online >>:-( I also notice the floodlights are blue and not yellow as i've done on mine, so that's something else i'm going to have to change.
If you would like the link then let me know and i shall pm it to you!
Voyager
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Voyager:
Thanks again for the info. Yes, if you could PM me the link that'd be greatly appreciated.
John
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Ok..no problem! PM sent.
Voyager
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HI Voyager.
You are doing a top job love the detail. love the weathering on the hand rails
As to get round the download restrictions. I take it you are right clicking.
1 trun off java this work some times but less and less now a days as most web site need you to have java on.
2 make the pitcher as big as possible then screen print it and save it. This is what I do if right click dos not work
John
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Many many thanks John for the top tip :-)) It's such a pain when you get sites like this >>:-( I'll give it a try tomorrow night.
Voyager
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Vents painted, weathered and fitted into place...and what a difference these have made to the kit standard versions :} Fire box built, painted and fitted. Next job will be adding the textured steps and adding some more detail to the towing winch.
Voyager
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I've managed to get some super-macro close ups of the detailing i've been giving this boat, so hope you like what you see!
Voyager
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And some more....
Voyager
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One of my challenges was to build a working searchlight completely out of brass, and as i'm very much a novice with soldering this was NOT going to be easy {:-{
Anyway, after much careful thought i took the plunge and begain planning out how i'd go about building it. I've pictured what i've done so far, and so far i'm happy with how it's coming along! Everything you see picture was built from scratch and completely out of brass (With the exceptiion of the detailing tape). It sill requires some more detailing, plus, both front/rear ends to be made up out of plastic-card as i can do alot more with plasti-card as regards detailing.
Voyager
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I love the rust effects you've done. It really looks good.
John
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Thanks very much for the praise John :} I'm thoroughly enjoying the rebuild!!!
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you could pass those photo off as photo of the real ship they are that good.
John
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That's very nice of you to say :embarrassed:....i'm just glad it's all going to plan so far!
Voyager
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Disaster has struck the search light i was building >:-o I was using a carbon disc cutting disc in my Minicraft hand drill and then suddenly the disc shattered, suddenly sending the all built and painted searchlight skywards hitting my light fitting and damaging it beyond repair >>:-( I couldn't believe my luck and after all that soldering...Grrr! Anyway, life goes on and i've now opted to buy a kit version rather than starting from scratch again. On the positive front I have finished weathering the towing winch and that's now glued in place. More weathering marks have been added to under the rear vents, winch deck area now weathered, side superstructure vents now improved and fitted replacing the kit ones. Last of all a crewman has been painted and fitted to show him working at the front.
Having a two week break now!
Voyager
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Some great weathering detailing going on. :-))
I love the anchor area, and the rope wear on the winch drums and faileads/bollards
BTW, don't forget to weather the crew.
I did this with mine. Dirty and scuffed jeans and dirty faces. ;)
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Good tip Tigertiger. The next figure to add is moulded like the one fitted already, so need to make some alterations and give him a more tatty appearence.
Was contemplating giving one of them a walkie talkie and glueing it to their belt. Does anyone think it might be something they would use on a Smit?
Voyager
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Superb attention to detail :-))
Mark
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Much obliged to you Mark :-)
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Smit undergoing a water tight test in the bath, which she passed with flying colours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo2Asq2WO7M
Voyager
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I'm back to working on my Smit Tug after being busy with other things :-)
I was unhappy with the rear fendering, it wasn't the right shape or texture and it just didn't look quite right. So, after much thought i pulled it all off and replaced it with sections of an old rubber car mat, slightly textured one side and just the right thickness for what i wanted :-)) I cut these sections to shape and glued it in place, then i begain to weather the surface (still not completely happy with the results asy yet!) but none the less much better than how it was before. I have also added rivet detail on the outer hull where the rubber fendering is situated. This was done with thick superglue on a cocktail stick and then simply painted over. The outer bulwark has had some more weathering applied, not much more weathering to finish off on the hulll now apart from a bit here and there. The winch has had the final bit of weathering applied using "Gunmetal" to highlight the hard edges and i'm pleased with the end result. Today was a nice day so i took my shots outside to fully see the weathering progress in full.
Voyager
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Superb ageing processes. I am very impressed.. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Superb ageing processes. I am very impressed.. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Cheers Footski :-) I'm trying to keep the weathering to a realistic medium, I don't want it to look heavy or to give the impression she's due a refit...or even worse due to be scrapped! Anyway so far so good :-)
Voyager
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I like the superglue blobs. How long do they take to dry enough for painting, please. I might have a go at this and have never has thick superglue to work with.
I like your 'Bath' movie. I thought you'd dropped the camera. Very effective. ok2
Cheers
Ken
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I like the superglue blobs. How long do they take to dry enough for painting, please. I might have a go at this and have never has thick superglue to work with.
I like your 'Bath' movie. I thought you'd dropped the camera. Very effective. ok2
Cheers
Ken
Cheers Ken :-) The superglue i use is "Zap Medium" and i applied it with a cut down flat end of a cocktail stick. I leave it overnight to dry to be safe, so by the following morning it's ready to be painted over.
Glad the camera bit fooled you lol. It's a fully waterproof model.
Voyager
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I'm not normally interested in tugs but top marks for the weathering detail :-))
Very very realistic, something to aspire to.
Excellent :-)
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I'm not normally interested in tugs but top marks for the weathering detail :-))
Very very realistic, something to aspire to.
Excellent :-)
Much obliged to you! :-)
I sprayed the life rings last night and i plan on adding authentic reflective tape and the ships name before fitting them.
Voyager
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Thank you for the details. Might try it soon
ken
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Status on the liferaft containers so far. Massive improvement on the kit version (right). I think the kit version is oversized and lacked detail, so the one pictured (left) is a two part injection moulded part, with logo cut from masking tape and applied and sealed with primer. I then painted the container Tamiya gloss white and hand painted the raised logo detail. Not picture is the flag pole which was originally painted white so needed repainting to a wood finish which i've just finished.
Voyager
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Liferaft container weathered and fitted into place. Liferaft container looks blue in the picture but in real life it's pure white, some camera glitch. Won't be doing anymore this weekend as i'll be at Warrickshire, hope to see some of you there!
Voyager
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Look for the guy in the Blue AT!!
ken
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Very little done sinse my last posting, but anyway, here's what I have done...
Given the boat another rusty wash application on the area's pictured below. Also fitted acrylic windows but I frosted them first to diffuse the inside light, massive difference in scale to have soft glowing windows instead of leaving them completely clear.
More to follow when 'The Lady Sharon' project is all finished.
Voyager
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Could this be the first boat you :-) ok2 FINISH, SAIL, AND KEEP FOR MORE THAN A MONTH BEFORE SELLING :-) ok2 theres a first time for everything i suppose but looking at the date of your last post has the inevitable already happened? ;D ;D
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All the weathering is looking good so far ,one thing is missing thoughwhich are rusting streaks down from the scuppers and where rust effects are round the windows/portholes which would have streaked also but looks brilliantly so far ,sorry about the neg points as I am nowhere near this standard and wont be for years
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All the weathering is looking good so far ,one thing is missing thoughwhich are rusting streaks down from the scuppers and where rust effects are round the windows/portholes which would have streaked also but looks brilliantly so far ,sorry about the neg points as I am nowhere near this standard and wont be for years
I'm building a Smit Nederland myself and following this thread with interest. I have to agree with you weathering observations on most vessels, however, in the case of Smit Marine they keep their vessels in exceptional condition. I've got photos of several of this class of tug in my files and none have weathering around the windows or doors. Even the scupper areas are surprisingly bereft of much weathering. Voyager has caught the effect on these vessels very well.
John
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Cheers chaps :-))
I too have pictures of the full size vessel and so I'm keeping the weathering true to the reall thing. With regards to the portholes should have some rust. Not showing in the images but, there is extremely light rust on two of them but being so light it doesn't show up using my camera. I've not touched this model for a while as i've been too busy with work and so forth, however she's still here and once I get some free time then I'll be straight back on to finish her off.
Voyager
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I've dusted the lady down and work will begin again over the coming weeks so look out for some fresh pic's.
Voyager
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I've dusted the lady down and work will begin again over the coming weeks so look out for some fresh pic's.
Looking forward to them :-))
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Glad you got back to this model,weathering is great and keep on watching with interest
Mark
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Glad you got back to this model,weathering is great and keep on watching with interest
Mark
Cheers Mark ok2 Next stage will be to build the doors and fit them, then, after that the bit I'm not looking forward to and that's stripping down the wheelhouse.
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Here is a incentive for you.....
(http://s4.postimage.org/Cu4n9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVCu4n9)
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Here is a incentive for you.....
(http://s4.postimage.org/Cu4n9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVCu4n9)
Both are very...very nicely built :-) The Smit Japan looks a lovely model. Don't suppose you have any more close up pic's you could post?
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Both are very...very nicely built :-) The Smit Japan looks a lovely model. Don't suppose you have any more close up pic's you could post?
Smit Japan was built by Jenno see here http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21331.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21331.0)
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Smit Japan was built by Jenno see here http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21331.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21331.0)
Many thanks for the link. That's a fine looking model, hope he's going to update the thread as she looks all finished now!
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Biggest job to do yet, and that's to remove the roof to get inside the wheelhouse {:-{ Then, to carefully clean up interior and exterior and add some stratch built parts. I had an issue with paint reaction with the hull which took me forever to resolve, so can only assume I will have the same problem here!
Voyager.
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Quite alot has been worked on since my last post :-) :-) :-)
Wheelhouse rubbed down and dismantled, re-sprayed and weathered (still the inside to build!). Work deck and bullwark weathered, lots of small detailing added here!
More to follow.....
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Fantastic job!!! Really like the weathering!!!
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Cheers mate, much obliged :}
Windows glazed, textured steps fiitted (but not painted), some warning stickers applied inside wheelhouse and winch area. Water tight doors and fire locker being built right now so Pic's to follow...
Voyager
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Works been a little slow as i've not been well, been diagnosed with IBS, so out goes all the food I enjoy <:(
Wheelhouse weathering details added, warning stickers inside wheelhouse, lower wheelhouse windows glazed and upper green tinted windows glazed, superstructure doors built and weathered but handles still to fit.
I've taken some pictures without flash as the flash tends to change colours and soften the subtle weathering, so hope these give a better idea as to how she looks!
Voyager
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And the last one...
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Looks like its time Smit sent the old girl in for a refit and paint.
Great weathering! Wayne
Sorry to hear about the IBS..
John
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Cheers John!
Yep, new lifestyles in order, but so long as i'm better then I can live without my treats.
She does look as though she's had a few years service doesnt she {-) As you rightly said before the Smits are fairly well looked after, however i came across a picture of one in drydock and boy she really had seen better days!!! I didnt want mine to that degree so ive been careful where and what i've weathered as i'm going for well-used but not knackered look lol.
Wayne/Voyager
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A superb job on a realistic effect Wayne,not overdone the rust,looks right.
Now some close up shots on a bit of murky water would be great.
Well done
Mark
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Cheers Mark!
Going hell for leather trying to get her finished and running as I've had her in storage from the day I got her, I'm just itching to see how she handles!
Wayne/Voyager
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well you seem to have the weathering down to a fine art :-)) 'well done it looks very real regards ray
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Thanks Ray! So far so good, I'm pleased with how realistic she's coming along :-)
Wayne/Voyager
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voyager, was it this model for sale on ebay recently......?
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voyager, was it this model for sale on ebay recently......?
If it's the one that's on from the Antique House, Voyageur's is head and shoulder above to that one in quality.
John
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voyager, was it this model for sale on ebay recently......?
Yes, I saw it too.
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Yes, it's the eBay one! 28 watchers and only 1 bid at the end of the day..oh well, someone's got a bargain!