Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: 6705russell on February 20, 2010, 05:45:31 pm
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After nearing completion of my Tyne lifeboat i got stuck into the Tamar today, bow thruster fitted (Raboesch prop type), skegs, props and rudders fitted, stern door and Y-boat housing fitted and managed to spray the hull and deck today with the aid of the hair dryer :-))
Next job is to spray the superstructure and start fitting the brushless motors/speed controllers...
Russ
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looks good russ, though with the white at the moment, looks like a police boat.
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Its a beast, isn't it? Looking good Russ. Got my mouth watering. Keep them pics coming :-))
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Will post a picture up soon, i sprayed the superstructure VW Brilliant Orange but it just wasnt right for some reason, looked to pale so i have put four coats of Peugot Seville Orange and im happy with that.
Russ
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Superstructure sprayed, thats enough for tonight, when the missus comes in and finds it on the dining table >>:-(
Russ
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I can go one bigger, got a 6 ft sub on my dining table. Good job got an understanding wife, just have to keep going out for meals!! {-) Been told got to get my outside workshop sorted this summer, I know my place! <*<
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Looks smashing, Russ. You're gunning along there.
Did you have a snapshot of her when the you had Volkswagen orange on ? I've got this colour but haven't sprayed it yet.
Ken
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Vauxhall Orange Ken
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF1855.jpg)
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Looks smashing, Russ. You're gunning along there.
Did you have a snapshot of her when the you had Volkswagen orange on ? I've got this colour but haven't sprayed it yet.
Ken
I dont Ken but see the Tyne, its really pale compared......
Russ
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Do you not think the orange on the Tamar is a little dark. Paint darkens slightly as it cures.
Nice job though. :-))
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It does look slightly dark as i took that picture inside, looking at it outside it seems ok. I have looked at pictures of Padstow and Tenby,s and they look two different shades..
I suppose its how you take the picture and what the light levels are?
Russ
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Apart from fillling in the ends the fendering is finished and exhausts fitted.
Russ
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That picture of Tenbys' Tamar in boathouse is exactly as she looks. I should know, I took it. Was nice bright sunny day, loads of natural light in those new boathouses. Tamars definately look a brighter orange than the Tynes, seen enough of them. She's looking good Russ ok2
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Thanks for all the information. There are certainly subtleties in the shades. As I've already bought my shade, I'll have to try it and see what comes out, but I shall be referring to this if I have any doubts.
Thanks
Ken
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I know Whitby's' Trent Class used paint from a company called 'desoto' (think spelt right?) shade was 'international orange'. That came straight from RNLI engineering in Poole. Though using the exact same colour may not always look right of course. Dave. {-)
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(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/DSCF1855.jpg)
Hey DD, that looks a very realistic pic with the wave \ wash just behind the boat!
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russ
which colour blue have you used
rich
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Hi Rich,
Ford Galaxy Blue, Halfords.
Russ
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I have applied some of the decals and made up the window frames but these wont be fitted until neare the end, motor brackets made and ready to be fitted....
Russ
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Looking good russ mine is progressing well photos to follow
rich
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Hi Russell
Looking good who are the mouldings from are they from speedline ?
or something you have done.
Derek
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Hi Derek
Yes they are Speedlines, just fitting the motors and the new sound sytem P100 from Action....
Russ
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Hi Russ,
whats the kv on the motors,and whats the volts are you runing on?
kind regards
Alan
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Hi
800 kv running on 18volts...
Thanks
Russ
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Hi Russ,
the motor you have for your tamar are to fast.Thay will just get hot and use lots of power,You need a motor 400-500kv max.I did all the work out for Adrian on this boat and also the the 1:12 seven.
This the baby you need.
http://www.giantcod.co.uk/xyh5055-400kv-brushless-outrunner-p-403284.html
hope this is of some help
kind regards
Alan
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Alan,
What are you using for the power source for these motors? (Type of Battery or pack)
and are you using one power source for both motors or one each?
Also what speed controls are you using?
Just trying to do my homework before buying the kit for this big beast
Ken
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Hi Ken,
batterys are gelcell. 12volt 7ah x2,12volt or24volts. Up to you.
Esc,s 2x 90amp seaking water cooled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT06HTURyak&feature=related
Hope this is of some help
Alan
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batterys are gelcell. 12volt 7ah x2,12volt or24volts. Up to you.
Esc,s 2x 90amp seaking water cooled
The current drawn by the specified motors at maximum efficiency is 50A. I doubt if you'll find any gel-cell of 7AH which can deliver this sort of current continuously. You should consider fitting NiMH or LiPo power, or be prepared to be disappointed.
FLJ
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I agree with FLJ, and also the boat in the video seems to be running faster than scale.
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Hi i have been running brushless set up with gel cell for three years now and have never been disappointed. The motors are so over powered They would never pull the 50amps.lifeboat Paul also uses gel cell in his arun for two years and his not been disappointed.yes The Tamar in the video is over scale speed,it was done to see how it was on 24volts.when it on 12volts it runs at a nice scale speed.My jet drive lifeboat it the same.when i run it on 12volt (12volt 12ah battery) It runs for over one hour.I also run a fishing boat 6volt 7ah,runs for over 3hours.wyeforce tug 6volt 12ah runs for over 5 hours+ towing club dingy
Alan
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Well managed to do some more to the Tamar, deck painted, Y-boat built and painted, fixed the rear reinforce bar and now im going to carry on with the aluminium kick boards....
All being well tomorrow i shall take her down the lake for first water trials....
Russ
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That is a great paint job you've done there Russ. I'm quite jealous. :-))
ken
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Thanks Ken
If you look closely theres a small scratch to the right of one of the windows, slipped with a needle file <:(
Russ
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I know colours don't reproduce exactly on a computer screen so could you tell me the colour of the R.I.B please.
I have to make one soon and wondered if it was yellow or orange !!
ken
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I found this nice picture of the Y Class that shows it almost the same orange as the cabin superstructure. In reality I think it is slightly darker orange.
Chris
(http://s2.postimage.org/2FlJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts2FlJ)
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Ken
I used Peugeot Seville Orange, it comes out more matt than gloss so seems to look ok on the Y-boat..
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Pirate Russells Tamar in the test 'pool' and on the water for a trial at Westport lake,Number6 :-))
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looking good russ
rich
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He be shipmate Russ, not pirate me hearties, 'cause he arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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I really do think you should start on them pills again Dave.... %%
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Russ,
It's looking good. The Tamar has a real presence in the water....you can even forgive it being so ugly!
How did you seal between the deck and the cabin front/sides? Do you rely on the moulded upstand or have you fitted a rubber seal too?
Chris
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I have not decided what to do with the connection between Superstructure and hull, i might run a sticky back foam around the coaming to act as a seal and to stop any vibration, for testing i have just used three self tappers to secure the two...
Russ
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Update on the build, i have made and fitted the rear deck doors that cover the RIB......
Russ
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Russ,
That looks good. Does the transom door open too?
Chris
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Hi Chris
The transom door is temporarily tacked with beads of epoxy which i can snap/cut off if i decide to make this a working feature..
Russ
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I'll open the transom door when I push you back with my tug!! ;D Only joking, she's looking good, Dave :-)) :-))
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I managed to fit the boltheads to the engine access panels last night, fitted 180 and dropped about 30!
Russ
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Russ,
That looks very neat.
Sadly, Adrian tells me that he has no more bolt heads in stock. If anyone knows of another source of these, I would be grateful. No hurry at present.
Chris
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I wonder where Adrian sourced his from? Perhap worth asking the question.....
Russ
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Could ask the question but would you ever get a reply?? {:-{ How long have you been waiting for instructions for the Tamar now?? Thought he was going to be having bolt heads done as an etching sheet?? Looking good though..Dave :-)) :-))
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Thanks Dave
I really dont know with Speedline, i have sent that many e-mails i have lost track.... >>:-(
Russ
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The lack of communication from Speedline is main thing putting me off having 1/12 Severn, shame really, Dave :((
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Russ,
That looks very neat.
Sadly, Adrian tells me that he has no more bolt heads in stock. If anyone knows of another source of these, I would be grateful. No hurry at present.
Chris
You could try the TugKenny way. Here's my attempt by using hex rod cut into thousands of 3mm bits. :}
Ken
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Thanks Dave
I really dont know with Speedline, i have sent that many e-mails i have lost track.... >>:-(
Russ
Anger leads to the Dark Side Russ. You can't win 6705, trust your feelings, let go your conscious self and use The Force. The Force is what gives a boater his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the boat club together...
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Well theres a reply i wasnt expecting.... :o
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As I've always said...don't underestimate the power of The Force. Dave.
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Russ,
That looks very neat.
Sadly, Adrian tells me that he has no more bolt heads in stock. If anyone knows of another source of these, I would be grateful. No hurry at present.
Chris
Hi Chris i have around 3000 of the speedline bolt heads.Let me know what you need.
kind regards
Alan
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Alan
pm sent
Russ
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A couple of pictures of todays testing down the lake, using 18volts to power her, 3/4 throttle was good but full power and she lifted out of the water to much...
Russ
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Russ,
Now that does look good!
I am going to spray mine with an airbrush lent to me by a friend. How much paint did you use to cover the hull and the superstructure? I need to order the paint, but have no idea how much I might need.
Chris
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Hi Chris
I tend to use around 6 aerosol cans on the hull, 2 primer and 4 top coat, for the wheelhouse i use 2 cans of primer and three cans of top coat, then to finish i use two cans of laquer overall..
Russ
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She's looking good! Should be finished soon?!? Dave :-)) :-)) :-))
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Hi Chris
I tend to use around 6 aerosol cans on the hull, 2 primer and 4 top coat, for the wheelhouse i use 2 cans of primer and three cans of top coat, then to finish i use two cans of lacquer overall..
Russ
Hi Russ,
That's really helpful. Looking at how good your finish is, I'm wondering if it's worth the effort of an airbrush. Did you use gloss or satin lacquer?
Chris
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Thanks Chris, problem with airbrushing is that the paint will be so thin you will end up putting so many coats on, i use satin laquer below the waterline and gloss laquer above..
Thanks
Russ
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looks spot on russ she sit's well on the water
rich
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Hi Russ,
That's really helpful. Looking at how good your finish is, I'm wondering if it's worth the effort of an airbrush. Did you use gloss or satin lacquer?
Chris
I did my Model Slipway 1/16 Trent with an airbrush and it was bit of a nightmare %%, much, much easier with the aerosols. Use the Halfords ones, they're acrylic water based sprays. He's used Peugeot Seville Orange, though some use VW Brilliant Orange (see 6705russell's Tyne Class Lifeboat thread, not sure what listed under) Ford Galaxy Blue for the hull, not sure which red but he'll let you know. I've used Ford Polar Grey for the rear railings on my lifeboats, satin black for rest of railings,capstans etc, Toyota Silver for window frames. Make sure you use white primer for the superstructure and all orange parts or it will look too dark after orange topcoat, I've learnt that one the hard way! %) Make sure too that you don't use any cellulose based sprays with the acrylic as they can react. Any detail work I just pick out using Humbrol enamel paints. Hope this been of some help to you, good luck, let us see some pics of your build, Dave :-)) :-)) :-))
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Come on Russ, about time did some more to her. Should be done soon, Dave. :-)) :-))
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I will be back on her next week Dave, trying to complete as much as i can on HMS Repulse before Navy day.... :-))
Russ
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you wait till you do the mast, its taken me 2 days so far and still more to do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkeWsMu-EA8
Phil.
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Russ,
That's impressive!
I am daunted just at the thought of assembling all the pieces to make the mast, never mind making it work! Now you have to let us know how you did that....pictures of the mechanism please.
Chris
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chris
thats phill's mast on his tamar
rich
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oops! sorry Phill,
Chris
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Alan
i have sent you a pm
rich
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Well it has been a long time since any work was carried out on the Tamar but back in the swing of things now so a couple of update pictures, some work done to the wheelhouse, stanchions fitted, bow pulpit made, Delta anchors made up and fitted.
Russ
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Looking Good Russ ! Does that mean you are not going to sell her to me then? It would have been nice to have had a reply to my original request,even if it had been no?
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Lost me Mick? First time I have posted in over twelve months or have I missed something?
Cheers
Russ
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Russ, I posted the request on your Severn build (is that what they call a blog? I really am not au fait with all these new fangled things!) I saw you were getting on with the Severn,and thought you might have gone off the tamar? I asked if you wanted to sell it (tamar) as both me and a pal would be interested.if the price was right of course?
Mick
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Sorry Mick, missed that one, no plans to sell her yet.....
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Just remembered my request was on your anyone know about Queensland request.
Building TWO boats at the same time Eh? you will be catching up with nhp at this rate! lol.
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Just been looking through your build, its looking great , a credit to you.I hope my severn looks as good.
what did you fill the cut ends of the fendering with, will have to do the same with mine.
Gerard
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Hi Gerard
I used body filler then painted black, I must admit I don't use that method anymore though, I tend to cut a thin piece of rubber and glue it to the end and finely sand the joints now...
Russ
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Thanks for that, I,ll try the sticking method when I get to it.
Gerard
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Last nights long winded job was to make the mast array, i decided to make the pivotal supports slightly different as I thought the usual method was to fragile to hold the mast, the main structure and vertical mast are brass tube with the supports being 4mm brass bar...
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A very neat, tidy & strong soldering job there 6705russell ...congratulations..... :-))
Do you use a gas torch & Bakers [zinc chloride] liquid flux?.....or is that the jar with the name LB-CB...........
Very hard to read from 22,000 kms away....... :o Derek
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Thanks Derek
I use a gas torch and flux paste, a couple of pictures with the mast in situ....
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OK....6705russell ....in the build by GGeorge of his tug with all of the mass of brass soldered components.....George acknowledged that he used a zinc chloride liquid type flux
It provides a far more uniform fluidity of the solder at each joint.......just a thought.......
The total sharpness of detail in your build is :-))........Derek
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Mast stabilisers fitted along with the flying bridge steps, work progressing on the bridge console....
Russ
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Russ,
That's looking so crisp! You're inspiring me to keep going, thanks.
Chris
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Thanks Chris, I think it's just a matter on concentrating on on area.. :-))
Russ
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Not much done this weekend apart from made the windscreen up and made a start on the Man lift A-frames, going to turn my attention to fitting more gadgets inside over the next few days, Action sound sytem and a home made smoke machine for the exhausts to start off with...
Russ
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Does anyone know where i can obtain a radar motor that is no more than 10mm in depth x 15mm in width? I want to keep it as discreet as possible and there is not a lot of room under the radar base as you can see in the picture....
Thanks
Russ
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Hi Russ,
you look here.
http://www.shop.kkpmo.com/index.php/cat/c46_Gearbox-kits.html
Michael
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Thanks Michael, just the job.... :-))
Russ
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Slow progress this week but managed to finish the stern railings to a point and made up the main rear door hinges, these are bolted through now using 12BA hexagon head bolts, for the railings I used 14BA bolts.
Russ
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Hydraulic rams fitted made up of brass rod and tube...
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What a beautiful boat
Russ its a credit to you.
john
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Thanks John.. :D
I thought we might of had a couple of hours down the lake this morning, be glad when the better weather comes.
Russ
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Hi Russ, I had a few hours down the lake this morning,
Big Kev was there Russ, Tommy, Brian, Ray, John Bossons.
and the weather was brilliant down on the jetty.
john
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Superb Russ a fantastic build. :-)) Where do get your nuts and bolts from? they really are so effective.
Regards, Tony.
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Hi Tony
I get the bolt from either Maccs Model supplies or BA Bolts..
Thanks
Russ
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Russ, this place also does small motors https://catalog.precisionmicrodrives.com/order-parts/product/104-001-4mm-dc-motor-8-1mm-type (https://catalog.precisionmicrodrives.com/order-parts/product/104-001-4mm-dc-motor-8-1mm-type)
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Over the past few nights I have made up a smoke unit, 12 volt with a small fan that pushes the smoke through the tubes and out the exhausts,this will be linked to the sound system to start at the same time and run for a few seconds...
Russ
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Well I filled the smoke unit up with baby oil and this is now operated on a timer, engine sound starts along with smoke machine and then the smoke machine switches off after about 20 seconds, trying to finish the hand railing on the wheelhouse now....
Russ
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Looks amazing Russ hopefully I'll get chance to have a god nose around it one Sunday at Westport,
Paul.
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Hi Paul
Hopefully she will be back on the water this weekend providing my new speed controller turns up in time....
Russ
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Looking good Russ. be nise to see some pics or video clips of her out on the water.......... :-))
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Looking good! I might actually get down and have a look, hoping get my workshop set up again soon. At least I've got my new laptop. Dave. :-))
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Thanks for the compliments chaps, I have tried to post some update pictures but to no avail >:-o
Russ
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Try again....
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Glad you're able to post pics Russ. I am following your series with great interest. :-))
ken
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Russ,
did you get any suitable photos of the Tamar on the water? I have only seen one on the water,in a small portable pool,which was the super model made by Phil Locke. I hope you can get some more of your build before you depart for Aussie land, when is it you actually go,I seem to remember it is quite soon,so you will have to give your build watchers something to see before you go !
Mick
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A couple of shots on the water from this morning, sailed well with all the added weight, only ran her on 12volt today as there were quite a few boats on the water....
Russ
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Looks very good, when's the next outing??
Dave. :-))
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Don't know Dave, may take it to the Leicester show next weekend.....
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Saw her sail this morning.
She looks very good on and off the water. Also has exhaust smoke on start up.
Still I am not green with envy, its a new sun cream called Shrek I am trying out. O0 {-) {-)
john
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Good looking Model :-)) Be nice to see it some time.
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Looks spot on mate who's is the other tamar I cannot
Wait to get mine on the water
Rich
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Looks a real stunner Russ, a credit to you.
regards, tony.
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Looks spot on mate who's is the other tamar I cannot
Wait to get mine on the water
Rich
The other Tamar is a 1/16 Model Slipway one belonging to another club member.
Russ makes such good progress as SWMBO locks him in the workshop each night, lol. O0
Dave. :-))
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boats looking good have started on my 1/12 tamar ,bit confused by wheelhouse floor consruction wondered if you could help ,also the inners for the compass (moulding supplied by speedline
best regards howard
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Hi Russell
Could you tell me what smoke unit you are using
Akers