Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Bryan Young on August 05, 2010, 06:24:28 pm
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It pains me to send this post. Every time a questioner has asked "what tool?" I've always recommended Proxxon.
I still have a high regard for the quality of the tools. I have 8 of them ranging from the mini-drill through to a lathe and the larger pillar drill.
Recently, the "on/off" switch on the pillar drill decided to call it a day. In my ignorance I foolishly thought that getting a new one would be no problem. How wrong could I be.
Fitting a switch that only has 4 wires attached to it is no problem. But Proxxon want to fit it themselves at a cost of up to £135. For a £5 switch? As I want to fit it myself (even a brain dead oik like me can do that), they now want "additional" information.
1. The "model" number and type. (A pillar drill, stupid)
2.The serial number of the motor.
3. My date of purchase.
4. The pattern number and all the other numbers on the "dead" switch.
As far as I'm concerned they are flogging a dead horse. A year ago I had a similar problem with the switch on the (Proxxon) bandsaw, got the new one almost return of post. No problem.
So are they just playing games, or what. If this sort of behaviour carries on I'm afraid my allegiance (sadly) will have to change. BY.
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Is it worth trying to get the switch through an agent rather than direct Bryan?
Colin
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Sounds like you're hitting the "Claim/Blame" safety net from them Brian. Sadly, some can't get Two wires connnected the right way round so given that a 4 terminal switch can have 24 permutations and it's MAINS at that.
Regards Ian
If it's a NVR have you tried Axminster??
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Colin and Circlip.....my obvious choice is to take the defunct item to a local industrial (?) outlet and seek some help. BY.
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have you got a picture of the item
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Ring and speak to John. He'll sort this out if he possibly can. Nice bloke.
http://www.plankonframe.com/ (http://www.plankonframe.com/)
FLJ
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Try Sid at S&M Tools main Proxxon dealers Tel 0207 831 8366, www.proxxondirect.com He is very helpfull. Joe :-)) :-))
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is it the TBM 220
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Hi Bryan,
Proxxon, like most manufacturers, probably buy in switches from several different suppliers during the production run of this pillar drill, all with slightly different mountings.
Have you tried to buy a part for your car lately - they wont even start to look without model number, chassis number, year of manufacture etc etc.
Plus of course the part must, by law, be fitted by a qualified electrician, penalty for non compliance is I believe £3000!
Let Proxxon do it - it could be cheaper!! ok2
All the best,
Dave.
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Hi Bryan,
Proxxon, like most manufacturers, probably buy in switches from several different suppliers during the production run of this pillar drill, all with slightly different mountings.
Have you tried to buy a part for your car lately - they wont even start to look without model number, chassis number, year of manufacture etc etc.
Plus of course the part must, by law, be fitted by a qualified electrician, penalty for non compliance is I believe £3000!
Let Proxxon do it - it could be cheaper!! ok2
All the best,
Dave.
er what law ? please show us
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Hi David, I thought these new government regs about re-wiring etc only related to fixed wiring in homes
I know that after doing three total rewiring jobs in homes over the years this time I had to get a 'leccy
in to comply with the regs but I did not know it related to power tools in my workshop. Are you sure??
Would anyone know or find out anyway?
Geoff
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Hi Folks,
This is an interesting problem. I know that I got a mate of mine (a qualified electrician) to replace a frayed cable on my Black and Decker drill. He told me I could be on very dodgy ground if I did it myself and injured someone. I must admit that I assumed this was because of the new regulations.
I can't find an actual reference to repairing power tools on the net so if someone proves me wrong, I will stand corrected and apologise!
This is the best I can find;-
http://www.diyfixit.co.uk/safety-and-regulations/electrical-regulations.html
Dave
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Bryan, go up the road to Cullercoates and ask at ESR, an electronics bits n pieces shop on Station Rd opposite the cop shop (or they were, last time I passed by). All it needs is something of the right size and shape and performance unless its one of those incredibly dangerous safety switches. While a qualified form filler is a legal necessity for house wiring, its really the last sort of person you want mending an appliance.
There is no fear of the law, as until it gets plugged into the mains, its just a lump of metal and plastic, not a part of the house wiring. And yes, they do sound like they are playing at being morons for profit. You dont need to join the game.
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Hi all .
as far as I am aware it only applies if the wiring or a new addition, if you are replacing it ,then you can do it your self???
Again pleas correct me if I am wrong
Ken
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read page 5 so you can fix it yourself and after further reading can do small jobs around the house, even spurs
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADP_2006.pdf
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yes you only need an electrician for new section added but replacmen ts you can do yourself next someone will say you cant change the fuse in your house with out an electrician.
someones already said it but see if you can get the replacement part from an agent or have a look round for a switch on line or in the screw fix catalogue ( maybe i have no idea what the switch looks like)
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If you look at the law. ANY ONE can add what the want EG re wire a house so long as it is inspected by a compant person , if that peace of work requires it. I make no reference to appliances that plug in. There it is a free for all.
Note on getting wiring checked. It is like this. Job need planning permission then the building inspector will want to see certs . For the rest of it you can say it was all ways like that .Heard of any one getting caught doing 71mph on an motorway?
John
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If you look at the law. ANY ONE can add what the want EG re wire a house so long as it is inspected by a compant person , if that peace of work requires it. I make no reference to appliances that plug in. There it is a free for all.
Note on getting wiring checked. It is like this. Job need planning permission then the building inspector will want to see certs . For the rest of it you can say it was all ways like that .Heard of any one getting caught doing 71mph on an motorway?
John
Now all you have to do is find an electrician to sign certificates on work that he has not carried out, and the best of luck.
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For the rest of it you can say it was all ways like that
You would need to be a bit careful there as the wiring colours have changed, You can't go out, buy some wiring, do the job and then claim it was done 15 years ago as the wiring you will be using wasn't on sale then!
While you continue to live in the house it probably wouldn't be a problem unless you had a fire in which case the insurance company might refuse to pay out. But when it comes to selling, the buyer's surveyor may well ask to see any relevant paperwork and then you could be stuffed!
I recently had my traditional fuesbox changed to a circuit breaker unit by a bona fide electrician and I have been given reams of paperwork to prove the job was carried out properly in the event that I sell the house.
Colin
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Bryan, go up the road to Cullercoates and ask at ESR, an electronics bits n pieces shop on Station Rd opposite the cop shop (or they were, last time I passed by). All it needs is something of the right size and shape and performance unless its one of those incredibly dangerous safety switches. While a qualified form filler is a legal necessity for house wiring, its really the last sort of person you want mending an appliance.
There is no fear of the law, as until it gets plugged into the mains, its just a lump of metal and plastic, not a part of the house wiring. And yes, they do sound like they are playing at being morons for profit. You dont need to join the game.
Malcolm. I know the firm very well as I buy most of my small electrical bits'n'bobs from them. Not sure about this one, but worth a try. But this switch seems fairly common across many tools. Big square buttons (Red'n'Green). All there is on the back is KJD6..and the 4 connectors. I took one to bits and there's a relay and some other gubbins inside. Seems to be the same switch as used on the Unimat.Bryan.
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Funny (but interesting) how one subject rapidly morphs into another on this forum! BY.
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The regulations in question are only for fixed wiring within or outside a building. If you are mending a machine/appliance you only have to worry about the insurance if it burns the house down afterwards. :police:
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Funny (but interesting) how one subject rapidly morphs into another on this forum! BY.
Sorry! :embarrassed:
Dave
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Funny (but interesting) how one subject rapidly morphs into another on this forum! BY.
Yes, just seems to sort of switch doesn't it......?
Colin
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Very witty Colin! %)
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Of course, with electrical appliances your into a whole new set of regulations on "Portable Appliance Testing". Still needs someone qualified to test a machine regularly and secondhand ones can't legally be sold without a PAT test label. (Look on lamps, hairdryers, etc. in your local charity shop). True, this person doesn't need to be an electrician, as the certificate is easily gained. I got mine after watching a 40 minnute DVD and answering a multi-choice online questionnaire. Perhaps this is why the makers are being uppity, they're covering their backs!
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The next thing you know is that you must have an electrian to wire up my 6v model boats .
Freebooter {:-{ %%
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Are you lot for real!!!???
If you want to mend your drill, Moderatedmend it!!
Who asked these busy bodies to change rules ad hoc and at a blink?
One day its fine the next is illegal?? Get a life Mr. Politburo.
Do what you Moderated want. It's your life, your house. I just wired my new place, and am putting the water in AND doing the gas. I've done it so often before when I was exactly the same person with exactly the same experience, information and knowledge. SO WHAT's THE DAMNED DIFFERENCE NOW??
Stop being such a bunch of damned lilylivered, turncoat, rollover Moderated wimps and get on with it!!!!
Jeez.
Vintagent
Moderated due to inferred and actual swearing
Brian
Global Moderator
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I've done it so often before when I was exactly the same person with exactly the same experience, information and knowledge. SO WHAT's THE DAMNED DIFFERENCE NOW??
Well, basically, like it or not, the law has changed.....
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Are you lot for real!!!???
And that particular rant is helping Bryan Young how, exactly?
Have you been hanging out with a certain Miss Sinbad, perchance?
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PMK, don't worry about it! The thread has turned out be both amusing and educational. And I very much doubt if there are any profanities in the English language (and a few others) that I haven't used myself either singly or strung together.
As far as the blessed switch is concerned my primary posting was about being ripped off for a simple job. I'm sure I'll be able to find am alternative supplier. BY.
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And that particular rant is helping Bryan Young how, exactly?
Have you been hanging out with a certain Miss Sinbad, perchance?
Come on Dude even she wasn't that bad.
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Bryan
I did a quick google search and found this http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-kjd6-switch-prod824632/
Hope it helps
riggers
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Bryan
I did a quick google search and found this http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-kjd6-switch-prod824632/
Hope it helps
riggers
Well,well well. Thats the one. You've just saved me over £100 (except that I wasn't going to pay that much anyway!) Ta. Bryan.