Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: long bill on September 16, 2010, 03:32:55 am
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I am currently building the Deans liberty ship - Robert E. Peary.
Does anyone have any source for the details of the deck rigging for the booms and cargo handling equipment?
Thanks much,
Bill M
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I have some deck shots of the John Brown if that is of any use. I can scan them and forward them to you.
John
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Dont know if this might help Bill.
http://drawings.usmaritimecommission.de/drawings_ec2.htm
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Some information of possible interest is available here.
Click on 'Naval History Index' followed by the link to 'Liberty Ship "Robert E Peary"'
http://lutonmodelboat.co.uk/frame_history.html
Bob Vaughan
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Bill, I've compiled a CD with just about every configuration of derricks (or "booms" as you call them) including the "Libertys".
All those WW2 ships were pretty basic for obvious reasons. "Forts", "Empires" and so on were basically rigged the same. All with steam winches (included on the CD). The "heavy lift" derrick (a puny thing by modern standards) is included.
Also included are many photos of both ships and detail. Many harking back 60 years to my cadet days.
I'm more than happy to send you a copy of the disc for free...
Send me either a PM or use my e-mail address that is under the "profile" button. Regards. Bryan Young.
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Here is a little one I built some years ago. ST. HELENA ex SAMLOYAL.
Bob
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Here is some
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Thanks much for the pictures.
The Deans plans and instructions don't show any of the details and I like to be as close to scale correct as possible.
Deans customer service sent me some sketches that help a lot, but I don' understand why this detail can't be included in the plans or instructions.
Bill M
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John Brown pics.
John
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John Brown........
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John Brown.........
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John Brown.........
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John Brown............
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Thanks much for the Brown pictures.
I visited her in July in Baltimore.
I was so impressed that I signed up as a volunteer.
I hope can get back to Baltimore for some of the work parties they have,
I called them yesterday and found out that they have a set of plans for $25.00 that I think I'm going to buy.
They were out on a 9 day cruise.
I sure wish I lived back in Baltimore as I would be spending a lot of time working on her.
Check it out: http://www.liberty-ship.com/
Later,
Bill M
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Hi Bill.
Some pix of my deans liberty rigging.
(http://s3.postimage.org/wFfrJ.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ub108j0k/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wJplJ.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ufunnyv8/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wJBPr.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ug2xcpc4/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wJOi9.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ugb71ft0/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wJVMA.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ugg5nhac/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wK9Kr.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ugq2vk90/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wKeJJ.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ugtdy98k/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wKjJ0.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ugwp0y84/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wKL9A.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1uhevxrno/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/wLAxA.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1uidm8210/)
cheers frank.
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I'm still working on my Deans Liberty ship.
Making slow progress.
It is a shame that this kit is such poor quality, but I still think it will make an impressive model when finished.
I have decided to make it a static model.
Am I the only one or are there some others out there that think the Deans kits could be a lot better???
I think it wouldn't take very much effort to be really first class kits.
I really like the Deans line up of models, but I wish the instructions and the quality of the materials were better.
I must say that Deans has been very good abut replacing items when I ask for them.
Later,
Long Bill
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I entirely agree with you about Dean's kits, I've just finished HMS Nubian, pictures on this site, and sometime ago HMS Solebay.
The quality of Nubian was very poor in spite of receiving a so called MOD11 overhaul, goodness knows what it was like before. In both kits there was a reasonable model trying to get out but oh what a pain. With very little effort these could be good kits, but at the moment they are not value for money and of the kits I have built they are the worst quality of all. I shall not be building any more.
With Nubian the fittings were poor, resin castings poor, hull poor, technically inaccurate, instructions dire, and a mismatch between the fittings shown on the plan and the fittings supplied, the printed plastic card very inaccurate, etc.
Solebay was better, but still with problems.
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Hi,
I am also rebuilding a Deans liberty aquired from fleabay, is there any information for the anti torpedo nets carried by some liberty ships? they look like fishing nets attached to the sides of the rear mast.
Cheers,
Steve.
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Hi,
I am also rebuilding a Deans liberty aquired from fleabay, is there any information for the anti torpedo nets carried by some liberty ships? they look like fishing nets attached to the sides of the rear mast.
Cheers,
Steve.
Do you have pictures of the netting?
John
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Hi,
These are the only ones I have
(http://s3.postimage.org/2kg0bpxqc/Wreck3c.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2kg0bpxqc/)
The wreck of the Richard Montgromery 1944, stern view.
(http://s3.postimage.org/2kggv3eo4/liberty_ship2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2kggv3eo4/)
From the web.
(http://s3.postimage.org/2kgu3e6mc/Anti_Nets.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2kgu3e6mc/)
The nets in use.
(http://s3.postimage.org/2kgz2083o/PICT6216.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2kgz2083o/)
The model as I aquired it.
(http://s1.postimage.org/34f6taao4/DSCN0354.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/34f6taao4/)
The model as it is now, the nets are from bird nut feeders.
Cheers,
Steve.
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No idea what the nets are for. I can't see them being torpedo nets as they are only at one end of the vessel and of lighter construction that is traditionally done with torpedo nets.
Nice looking model though.
John
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The following taken from the book "The Liberty ship"
" The cargo handling gear also generally conformed to that of the boxed aircraft transports, this consisting of extra length booms necessary for the working of heavy loads at long hatches, plus the usual 30 and 15 ton derricks. Additional gear fitted to some of the ships consisted of the british style "admiralty net device", this being long booms hinged to both port and starboard of the forward and afte masts. These booms, lowered when attached was threatened, had a steel net hung between them parallel to the sides of the ship - so placing an underwater screen between the vessel and it's opponents torpedoes however this equipment was not a great success resulting in reduced speed and spoilt steering qualities.
Hope this helps
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I stand corrected. Interesting info. Here is some more showing the nets deployed:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_v3400_0423e.pdf
John
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One of my aims with my modeling was to build the 3 ships that I served my apprentice on in early 50’s. one being the S S Ivybank a liberty ship.
When in Melbourne 5 or 6 years ago I purchased a copy of General Arrangement Drawings also the Hull Lines Drawing of the General Liberty Ship to scale of 1-96.
I intended to scratch build the model some time in future.
March/ April 2009 I was goggling to find as much information on liberty ships when I came across the Deans City of Ely.
Looking on Deans web site I found 2 liberty ships, City of Ely and the Hudson Gate price difference of about £30. I emails Deans re difference in price with Deans reply (The Ely has been re-released to modern kit standards hence the price difference)
Thinking that if get a kit I would save a lot of time in building the hull, also I should be able to get items that I would have to scratch build.
I enquired on cost City of Ely kit plus a suitable motor, gearbox, coupling and brass prop.
In May 2009 I ordered the Kit etc and paid me money. Kit arrived early June.
When opening the box I found that the motor gearbox had not been fixed down. Had been moving around in the box on its travels to Australia, had broken open some trays of parts which therefore floating around in box, Also no prop in box.
After some protracted exchanges between myself and Deans all was sorted of sorts. Although the guy I was e mailing did not take to kindly when I said that some of the white metal parts needed a lot of work on to make them suitable for use.
Like others on this site, my opinion of the Kit is that it is very disappointing.
The Fiberglas hull I had approximate 10Kgs sitting on the timber keel in resin for a week, it still had a 5mm hollow in bottom which I have since filled with styrene sheet and car body filler.
I would say that 75% of the white metal parts are useless or incorrect. The plastic cowl vents fell apart in my hand. 2 of the 3 masts were not straight. I could go on.
The etched ladders and hand rail stanchions are well done I must say.
I have relied on the G A Drawings for all my building as there are a few discrepancies between the kit and it. I have found that my hull is 8mm too wide and 10mm short.
I have now built about 70% of the model, mostly scratch built or bits obtained from others, at present I am scratch building 10 winches, the Deans one would need to much fettling to make them presentable, but they do not look even close the winches in photos on this forum.
I am well advanced in the build, so if you should need any help in avoiding all the pitfalls in the Liberty ship kit, please contact me at [email protected]
I could put some photos of build if some one could tell me how to make photos smaller and how to past on this site.
Cheers Have a Good Day
Rob
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HI,
Can any one supply a photo of the forward 3" gun, as supplied by deans, assembled, as I have a collection of parts that do not look like they go together.
Cheers, Steve.
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This is a picture I got from Deans.
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Oldiron's photo 0008 is especially interesting as it shows clearly the use of plastic armour, more properly Plastic Protective Plating. This was a mixture of bitumen and granite chippings of a particular size. It would stop a 20mm cannon shell.
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I think the newer kits from Deans Marine may be better quality. I've been building the Patrol Boat River (PBR build log) and it's rubbish - having to re-make a lot of the components and rectify problems with the hull/superstructure - taking me ages.
I scratchbuilt my own Liberty Ship from a Glynn Guest Plan - to be featured in a future edition of Model Boats magazine - 1/144 scale approximately.
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I would sure hope the quality is better with the newer kits.
The only problem is that I think I have one of the newer kits.
I was told my kit was a recently revised version, but I'm not sure what that means.
I bought it about a year ago.
As I said before it will turn out to be a beautiful finished model, but getting there is a real task.
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If modellers want Liberty cargo winches , windlass , guns , pullies etc then take a look on my shop www.johnrhaynes.com . I built 4 Libertys and two Victories at 1/96 and 1/128 one is in the NMM
Any problems get straight to me .
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Just a thought, many years ago I saw, as a child,youth, a film titled " San Demitrio, London " It was of course in B/W and told the story of a Tanker on a voyage from US to UK and she gets torpedoed,crew take to the boats, drift around for a few days, find the ship again, get her going and get to London, after sinking the U Boat by gunfire. We heard it was based on a true incident. She was a Liberty ship, so if you could get a copy of that film, lots of details there!! Or maybe I am wrong, great story though!
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San Demetrio was a tanker as you say. Liberty ships were standard freighters - very different I'm afraid.
Colin
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32 liberty ship tankers were built by the Delta shipbuilding company of New Orleans and 30 by the California Shipbuilding corp, most where delivered in 1943. The outward appearence is the same as the standard liberty as to disguise the appearence of a tanker.
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Riggers, I stand corrected! You learn something new every day. However the San Demetrio herself was a typical engines aft tanker configuration.
Colin
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There must be more than one San Demetrio?
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=12841
http://www.helderline.nl/tanker/1052/san+demetrio/
http://3dhistory.de/wordpress/?page_id=557
http://www.mediastorehouse.com/tanker_san_demetrio_br_1938_eagle_oil_and_shipping_co_ltd_at_jetty_purfleet/print/3689967.html
John
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Judging by the remarks here the film could be of help.
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There must be more than one San Demetrio?
Those links all refer to the same ship don't they?
Colin
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Those links all refer to the same ship don't they?
Colin
Yes, quite right. I pose the question because it was mentioned San Demetrio looked like a Liberty ship, where as this one looks like a tanker. Thought there must be more than one San Demetrio
John
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Thought there must be more than one San Demetrio
No, just the one as far as I'm aware.
Colin
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Its called a T2 Tanker , plans are available
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Just an update on my progress on the Robert E Peary.
I have put it aside.
There is just too much with this kit that takes the fun out of the building process.
How are the rest of you making out with yours?
Later,
Bill M
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I have looked at commercially available models and the shape of the hull is not great. Can anyone advise me where I can get hold of a set of body lines plans and profile. I may consider scratchbuilding?
Thanks
Pete
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A film to watch out for is "Action, North Atlantic" a Humphrey Bogart movie which, for the most part, is set on a Liberty ship "Sea Witch" transporting war material to Murmansk. Some good film of German Heinkel He 59 Seaplanes too!
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I have looked at commercially available models and the shape of the hull is not great. Can anyone advise me where I can get hold of a set of body lines plans and profile. I may consider scratchbuilding?
Thanks
Pete
here??
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trumpeter-1-350-05301-Liberty-Ship-SS-Jeremiah-OBrien-/180828809824?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item2a1a3caa60