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Title: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 15, 2010, 11:07:50 am


Got this today from R2 Hobbies,  they would probably work on boats as well


http://www.r2hobbies.com/eng/proddetail.php?prod=rcvp3345025&utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=13103361&utm_campaign=Newsletter%20Dec%20Issue%203

Peter
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Lord Bungle on December 15, 2010, 11:40:23 am
can't see why they wouldn't work  :-)
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Islander1951 on December 15, 2010, 05:33:27 pm
OK, go ahead, add more weight above the waterline!!   {-)

Edward.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Timo2 on December 15, 2010, 07:36:17 pm
Hi All

   Check out   http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1270927&page=5      Post 67 on

  At how to fit wipers    :-))

  Timo2
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: triumphjon on December 15, 2010, 09:11:15 pm
looks good , the only problem i can see , is the size of the motor drive unit ?
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 16, 2010, 01:48:58 am
well if the unit shown has the largest blades on 75mm the unit looks to be a 1/3 of it's size so it's not that big, It was just an idea.

Peter
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: tassie48 on December 16, 2010, 03:11:04 am
Mounted mine up side down in the Tugs bridge angled up into the Monkey island open bridge with small spring for flexi shaft works great buy all my 2.4 r/c gear from them as well great pricing tassie48
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 16, 2010, 03:28:52 am
have you got a picture or can you tell me the size was my guess correct /

thanks

peter
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: triumphjon on December 16, 2010, 09:22:37 pm
i was thinking of using it in my current spear project , the problem being the wipers mount above the screen ? tassie do you know if its possible to link a pair of wiper arms to a single drive unit ?
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: nhp651 on December 17, 2010, 07:54:04 am
i have only one problem, well two really, with putting working windscreen wipers on a boat.

1] the cost of them and fiddly messing about with them, either home built or bought, and

2] come on all of you, own up......how many of you sail in any kind of weather that would make then justifiable, and if they work, on a bright sunny day.....what's the point in them at all.

I know i certainly don't sail in that sort of weather {-) {-) %% %% %%
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Timo2 on December 17, 2010, 08:04:32 am
Hi Triumphjon

    Have good look ay Post No 3


 Timo2
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Roadrunner on December 18, 2010, 12:16:32 am
My local club runs on a salt water lake, none of our models have developed issues with the salty water, remember to just wash down the boat with fresh water afterwards re-oil or grease the shafts and your good to go, there seams to be a very bad stigma that salt water is the downfall of many model boats, although its not totally untrue as it can cause premature ageing of the model but on the whole the technology is much the same as a real boat and yet some sit in the water for years on end with only a new anti foul coat every few years.

Remember the models are in the water for only a few hours maybe once, twice a month on average, now unless you have a capsize or sinking i can't see how salt water would cause issues with any extra feature such as a working radar or wipers , providing you clean the model after use as good general maintenance.
This does not apply to lighting as bulbs do blow, the only issues with any model that generally occurs over a period of time is 'black cable' where the water/damp/condensation may have built up in the wiring causing it to become brittle and break, or get hot and make the model sluggish if its a motor wire. It can also lead to battery damage, but this is a common issues with all boats.

Also be aware that its not everyone preference to have 'lots of features' on there model(s) but some do , its a personal choice of the builder, some people like myself enjoy it when there's something to add or fix on a model, keeping not only the model alive, but showing the changes over time, not only in the model but your own skills and creativity.
These 'extras' are usually pre-planned during the building stage and i would hope that many allow access to parts should something go wrong, allowing for a relatively simple repair with out damage to the model.

Remember your building the model for yourself no one else so don't get drawn in on what others think about your extra feature's or there 'lack of' if you want wipers and radar then go for it, me personally i like the extra features, it not only add's character to the model, it looks more realistic, and shows the time and attention you took to improve on what otherwise would be a simple model.  :-))
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 18, 2010, 05:32:55 am
Topic cleaned up.  :-)
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: nhp651 on December 18, 2010, 08:58:05 am
hi roadrunner, it's not actually the saltwater that does for electrics and electronics when sailing on that stuff, but the humidity of salt in the air........we have constantly up here been plagued with the stuff from time imemorium..that is what rots the wires and kernackers wiring..............i can sail for just one season with new equipment and by the end of it, have "black wire" throughout. and for me, it's just not worth putting in expensive electronic wizardry................
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Roadrunner on December 18, 2010, 10:47:23 am
Im not sure why you would have so many issues with a more 'salty humidity' as i said im also in a sea side town (sort of) we would be subject to the same conditions and yet very few faults have popped up.

I will make a suggestion that may be more cost effective then tearing out your wiring each season. Purchase some silica gel packs, a cleaver bit of tec that absorbed water in the air in enclosed spaces, more commonly found in a tv box or other electrical item where damp could occur while stored in a warehouse or during transportation. packs will last in a boat maybe around 4 weeks before swapping for a new one.

look at these links

http://www.travelwithcare.com/products/SilicaGel5-179.html (http://www.travelwithcare.com/products/SilicaGel5-179.html)

http://www.simplyscuba.com/products/Intova/SilicaGelPacks.aspx (http://www.simplyscuba.com/products/Intova/SilicaGelPacks.aspx)

you can pay a lot or a little just depends where you get them but they all do the same job, a large boat would require something like 2 or 3 packs in the boats hull but remember to swap them out, you can tell when, as the packs swell and become very gel like, normally they should be a little bag of hard beads. 

Im pretty sure this will be cheaper then replacing wiring every season, hell you never know you may even chance a 'extra feature' of your own if your boats not having issues!

Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: rathikrishna on December 18, 2010, 11:06:08 am
Friends..we can make a wiper actuator from a simple toy gear box..if the craft is sized to 1:35th scale its more easy to do...by fixing a cam from a piece of foam board, we can simply adjust the stroke of the wiper arm as we needs...
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 18, 2010, 11:37:25 am
 I use one of these on my windows only 6mm dia for a Kent Clear View


https://secure.precisionmicrodrives.com/product_info.php?products_id=108&osCsid=134ac0df70b2c3a11ef417d1466e381a

peter
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: nhp651 on December 18, 2010, 01:56:00 pm
cheers roadrunner, i'll try those................do you have to replace them after a certain period of time or do thay last for an age. neil.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: Roadrunner on December 18, 2010, 04:24:05 pm
When they turn from a thin pack of solid beads to a squishy gel pack its time to replace them. leave them in the boat even when not on the water in storage. just something to watch out for is there life span, i suggested around 4 weeks life span but really they can go on for 6 months at a time, better safe then sorry though.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: nhp651 on December 18, 2010, 04:55:25 pm
thanks for your help.......much appreciated..........if they work, might even consider putting lightd on my boats in future.
neil.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: pugwash on December 19, 2010, 12:03:14 am
I can assure you that silica beads work - I had to lay up my yacht every winter for about 5months in Corfu which is very wet in winter
we used to leave two kilos of silica beads in the galley sink in a plastic  mesh container - even though the boat had been sealed up for 5 months it was
not musty smelling and all upholstery was bone dry.  It is also very cheap to buy from boat chandlers in kilo packs which would last an age in several model
boats.  I forgot to put them in one year (in a hurry to catch the ferry home) and it took about three weeks to dry the boat out on my return - so yes it works
Geoff
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: john s 2 on December 19, 2010, 10:55:01 am
If you wish Silica Gel can be dryed out and reused.A warm oven is ideal. John
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: nhp651 on December 19, 2010, 11:29:58 am
cheers guys.......didn't realise it was so effective.
neil.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: stew49 on December 19, 2010, 01:23:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYFLv4teSSg&feature=player_embedded   Found this, they look quite good.
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: rathikrishna on December 20, 2010, 06:43:02 am
Friends..along with a water sprayer we can also try this wiping arm can be made from simple handy things...i posted an aricle about making this wiper actuator in Begginners section..and see a nice VIDEO here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6DXutnwW-I
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: rathikrishna on December 20, 2010, 06:45:15 am
and the link..http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27854.0
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: pier33 on December 22, 2010, 01:19:21 pm
Bonjour chez vous.

Look  a wiper on a springer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=255ALCZmNXc

I'll give you un adress

http://navi.modelisme.com/article505.html

On a big 1/10* modèle but it's the same systhem on the litle springer.

Friendly pier33
french modeler
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: rathikrishna on December 24, 2010, 02:05:42 pm
oh..oh..its nice...thanks for sharing good ideas...Pier...
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: pier33 on December 24, 2010, 02:30:59 pm
Bonjour chez vous

Merci à Toi ok2
Thank you but this  is already  a copy of a friend modeler… That what I like in your system, is this simplicity, made with toys material . Very good initiative

Amicalement Pierre
Title: Re: working Windscreen wipers
Post by: rathikrishna on December 24, 2010, 02:35:40 pm
Hai friend...i am doing all things because of the helplessness...here i do not have any good stuffs to buy...hi..hi...