Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Other Hobbies and Interests => Topic started by: wartsilaone on March 10, 2011, 12:35:58 am
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As a fan and collector of North Sea Ferries stuff I thought I'd show you some models i made years ago which i am planning to reproduce in cast resin. The pictures show carved wooden 1:1000 scale fleet models.
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Congrats and they look really great shipmate. Not being much of a Railway person but they would look great on some of the Model Railway Scenes, Ive looked at in books.
Hope when you do make moulds etc you show them again REBORN so to speak. :-))
Chris
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Here is a plan of the first cast I'm working on. Still got to finish the drawings and build the master, then make the silicone mould which is an art in itself. I want to put as much on the cast as possible but I may have to make a kit of detail parts. I'll keep you posted.
Ali.
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Will look great I bet havent heard from you in a while. Yeah keep us informed as you go tks
Armo :-))
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I just hope I can come up with something before the big manufacturer's have the same idea.
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your work is really good mate Im sure you will find a way keep it up and congrats.
Armo :-))
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Thanks Armo. I shall take my time and make sure I have a good quality master before thinking about casting. The cost per unit should be quite low on this one and it will be good practice.
Ali.
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Anytime ali and look forward to seeing the progress and the finished product keep er goin matey..
Armo :-))
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Hi Ali - sorry, not been around lately as we have been on R&R in France and Germany for a couple of weeks (needed, I can tell you!!!!!).
Very much like the waterline models you intend to produce......count me in as a customer!!!!! They would make a smashing collection for display. I dont think the major manufacturers will get involved......
BTW - the drawings are still progressing on Norland....
Will get back fully in the groove soon.........
Carl
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Hi Carl. Hope you had a nice holiday. Iv'e been looking at waterline models and found that a company called Sextant used to make a lot of ferries but the ceased trading some time ago and their models are very rare and expensive. If I can reproduce some of these there may be a market for them. It seems the common scale for the models is 1:1250 so I'll go with that. I chose the Pride of Hull/Rotterdam to start with because not only is it a north sea ferry but there shouldn't be much in the way of bits detail to add once the basic model has been cast. Once I am happy with the product I'll have one winging its way to you.
Your Ali.
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So here we go with building the master model of Pride of Hull/Rotterdam.
(http://s4.postimage.org/14tv0exus/100_2335_1014_x_760.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/14tv0exus/)
(http://s4.postimage.org/14u3a3obo/100_2337_600_x_450.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/14u3a3obo/)
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Yup, thats starting to take shape now isnt it. Like i said keep it up it's goin to look great when she is done and hit with that bottle of champers.
Armo :-))
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Hi
any chance of just a brief explanation of your making a master, just for us newbies looking in?
Regards Norseman
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Hi Norseman. I'll do some more pics and show you my working out stuff. I could start a build blog if you're interested.
Ali.
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So as requested, here is a little more detail on this project.
Once you've done the usual research, you know, trawling the internet for photos and getting the dimensions you are ready to make some plans.
I found these on my travels around cyberland and wondered if I could use them as a template so I printed them in the correct size for the model and overlayed them. the two matched almost perfect.
(http://s4.postimage.org/2sooyjpb8/side_plan_vert_457_x_304.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2sooyjpb8/)
Next I needed the deck plan so I resized this image until the length and width was right.
(http://s4.postimage.org/2sr9kn4ys/deck_plan1_vert_235_x_375.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2sr9kn4ys/)
Now the detail for both sides and front and back. I still have to do the back. The side view shape is sandwiched between each half of the waterline piece and the bow piece.
(http://s1.postimage.org/21uhr82f8/IMG_842_x_1156.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21uhr82f8/)
(http://s1.postimage.org/222991pvo/IMG_0001_427_x_600.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/222991pvo/)
Only the basic frame is needed as the car body filler will do the rest.
(http://s4.postimage.org/2t106kpno/100_2338_1014_x_760.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2t106kpno/)
The final draft of the detail is drawn on to tracing paper then transferred on to a sheet of plastic ready for cutting out and gluing on.
(http://s4.postimage.org/2t3kso5b8/IMG_0002_805_x_1156.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2t3kso5b8/)
I'll keep you posted.
Ali.
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Hi Ali
That's was very interesting and I'll tag along for the ride with you. Maybe I'll work out how to make my kalakala plans while I'm at it.
Regards Norseman
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Never seen the kalakala before, looks like a hard one. I'll stick to modern slab sided ships for now. Once this one is done I will be taking votes on which one to do next.
Ali.
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A quick update.
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Great stuff Ali Im enjoying the learning experience too. I wont be attempting one however but enjoying what's happening and other associated comments.
Armo :-))
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Here is another couple of pics.
(http://s2.postimage.org/33rcf1l44/100_2457_2304_x_1728.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/33rcf1l44/)
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Hi guys. I've had a couple of weeks off so the missus has had me redecorating. However I have managed to get a bit of proper work done.
I couldn't find a suitable container so I made the mould box out of some plastic off cuts.
(http://s3.postimage.org/dukhhkjo/100_2589_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dukhhkjo/)
The silicone takes a few hours to set and once ready is flexible, tare resistant and as you can see it holds it's shape well. The resin is Polytek Easyflow. The mix ratio is 1:1 and it pours like water. The only thing is that it sets ultra quick so I mix smaller amounts and fill the mould in three pours. You can also liquid poly on it.
(http://s2.postimage.org/h0y5owx0/100_2594_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h0y5owx0/)
The finished article. I'm working on some transfers so I don't have to hand paint the lettering and the flag on the funnel.
(http://s1.postimage.org/31u2wmslg/100_2593_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/31u2wmslg/)
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I LOVE IT !!!!!!!
Excellent work there Ali :-)) :-)) I can see a nice little collection of these being born!!!
It would be a fun challenge to paint and detail such a small model, but I agree with you about the P&O logos and lettering though....
Where did you get your silicone and resin from? Will be needing some soon myself for the fittings for FEV...
Carl
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Thanks Carl. I get all my stuff from here. mbfg.co.uk
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I am almost in a position to start taking orders for my first ship.
It will be available as a kit, complete with transfers and lifeboats or a finished model but any point in between can be requested if you don't fancy spraying it up.
(http://s12.postimage.org/p3dfwjipl/100_2605_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/p3dfwjipl/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/jrix74lmf/100_2606_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jrix74lmf/)
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Looks good - what are the dimensions please?
Regards Dave
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length 170mm, breadth 25mm. 1:1250 scale.
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Now that is the dogs danglies of waterline models in my view!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
What a collection this could be - I can see it now:
Numerous ferries
Linkspans
Jetties
Breakwaters
vehicles
buildings.......
Imagine the diorama that could be built up at 1:1250......................
This is for me............most certainly!!!!
Carl
PS - Is it obvious I like ferries?????????
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Yes Carl - you are a ferry fetishist, but it's ok to like ferries 8) just as long as you keep away from Seattle etc - their mine - all mine <*<
Ali - you might have helped me solve a little problem here - I keep getting asked for models of The Kalakala - your method for scale waterline models may be the perfect answer.
I look forward to seeing you build a nice display cabinet filled with fabulous ferries - the sight of that might be just too much for Carl though :embarrassed:
Slightly diferent note Ali - as you are selling your models (and I assume will sell other stuff) have you thought about Pop Pop Ferries for kids- I've not seen a ferry but saw this tug kit at
http://www.poppopboats.co.uk/toyshop/prod_1270002-Tug-Boat-Kit.html
(http://s9.postimage.org/y6ijs5n7v/Pop_Pop_Tug_Kit.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y6ijs5n7v/)
Regards Dave
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Errrrrrrrrm Dave? Have you seen this???
http://www.poppopboats.co.uk/toyshop/prod_806479-Kalakala-Ferry-PopPop-boat-Special-Offer.html
Perhaps we can have pop-pop ferry racing at Wicksteed next year???
C
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Hi all. A display cabinet is on its way and I'll give you plenty of warning before showing it off. Can't have anyone getting too exited.
That PopPop thing is nice but I'm set up for metal work unfortunately. I would probably need a massive press for something like that. If I win the lottery I'll let you know.
Ali.
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Carl
my guilty secret %) - I bought one today - childish or what? :embarrassed:
plus I bought a large pop pop engine (maybe a false engine for a springer I thought). All for just a few quid.
Ali - re pop pop - I didn't really mean make them as I think the others are all made in China - you could maybe design one and buy in?
Regards Dave
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Another one on it's way.
(http://s12.postimage.org/7csc34amx/100_2614_1536_x_1152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7csc34amx/)
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European Seaway???? EDIT :(no - I dont think it is now....close though..) NSF ship...Norbank / Norbay?
Very, very nice Ali.........this is one on my list for r/c in the future..... the European Seaway
Drop an email to Brian Rees at P&O - I am sure he would be interested in these....
([email protected])..........mention my name, I have found him most useful and friendly in the past...
Carl
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M.V. Norbay actually, but not a bad guess. I am pretty sure European Seaway has been done but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to do another.
(http://s10.postimage.org/5493onx6t/Norbay_plan_2a_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5493onx6t/)
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Not quite waterline models. Just a bit of fun really but could be worth developing.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Ali - what is that? I mean, is it a kit???? A souvenir from the ship???? Where did you find it???????????
Jealous? Me????? YOU BET O0 O0 O0 O0
I really LIKE that ALOT!!!!! %% %%
Please enlighten me <:( <:(
Carl
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I picked it up from Ebay. They used to be sold in the onboard shop. If you keep your eye out I'm sure there will be more. the windows aren't correct but then they are just souvenirs.
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It would be relatively easy to cast a waterline mould from one of them. I guess they are not to the correct scale though?
I have only ever seen the toy souvenirs that P&O sold of the Pride of Dover / Calais before. I have one, but only because the full size ships are nearly history. They are not accurate at all.
Norfolkline / DFDS dont sell anything like these on their boats.
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I also have a metal Pride of Dover. Like you said the scale is not correct but with a bit of work they could make quite good budget models. As you can see I have started converting the cast from the original Norsun model to a Norsea model and different liveries are possible.
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This is excellent Ali - really looking forward to them :-))
This is something I can do in the motorhome when I have had enough of working in the workshop!!!
My wife and I 'full time' in our motorhome, and my workshop is here on the campsite with us - shared with a part restored 1972 Bedford CF motorhome and a 'just started' restoration of a CB250NB Super Dream motorbike.......just as well it is big enough to fit the ferry construction as well....
SWMBO will not let me work on the FEV in the 'van (understandable), so these waterline models will most certainly be acceptable :-)) :-))
C
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I know what you mean. I'm really pushed for space at the moment and these Ferry Small Ships are already starting to fill the area I have left.
I'd love to start another big build, but for now I'll have to stick with the little'ens.
Ali.
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Superdream - they were damned heavy for a 250 if my memory of just one ride is correct?
Re space - oh u can make lots of space by giving me stuff - I'm very friendly like that O0
Dave
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For those modellers interested in 1/200 waterline modelling I shall shortly be taking down to Fleetscale in Cornwall my GRP moulds for Imperator , Aquitania , Mauretania, Empress of Britain, Normandie, United States, Queen Mary , Queen Elizabeth 1
Fleetscale will make them available to modellers to complete these Blue-Ribbon winners of the last Century.
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These must be quite large hulls then John, are photos available online anywhere either of the hulls or models built using them?
Colin
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Most are around 5ft long . E of B is smaller . There is a shot of one liner in my Portfolio section of my site in the box "Other General models I have built" .
As a further note on these hulls , the models were built for Conrad Black and are now in the Library of his Toronto home. I do have files on all these builds and hard copies of photos . Nothing digital since they were built before this technology was widespread.
If you are interested in a particular subject I could scan pics to you but there are a lot to load on this site where I do not think there is much interest
Fleetscale may take a casting out and put a pic on there new site . Maybe you should be speaking to them at a later time ?
Of course I developed a ton of fittings for these models but have not put them in my on-line shop as I feel the market is not there.
In fact what is in my shop is a fraction of what I have developed over the years and sooner or later at my age now I will be looking to sell my business . At the moment what I am actively trying to sell is my 1/24 PT kits.
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Thanks for the response John, I was just curious, that's all as I collect waterline liner models in 1:1250 scale. You have captured the Queen Mary model very well.
Baron Black is not in a position to appreciate your work just at the moment though.
By selling your business I assume you mean turning over the moulds of hulls and fittings to another producer - the biggest asset is of course yourself!
Colin
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At 5ft long there could be a market for full-hulled models for R/C, is this a possibility?
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Only if the possilble builder is prepared to fit a bottom section to my grp top but I guess that should not be too difficult . Also it would allow any builder to make a more suitable bottom section to take any RC gear and to be more stable in the water . However you should bear in mind that the top grp will be totally enclosed and would need an opening to be made to access any interior gear.
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5 feet is a bit small for you isn't it Duncan?- I've seen some of what you've got O0
Dave
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Funny you should say that Dave, that is exactly how I got THAT one, a waterline model ...ahem, hulk. {-)
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Well well well - I must have been a good boy this year as Santa has already paid me a visit................
Look what I found this morning....................
Absolutely first class waterline model of the P&O ferry Pride of Hull, courtesy of Alister (Wartsilaone) :-)) :-)) :-))
The perfect Christmas present for a ferry nut like myself - can highly recommend these small waterline models of his.....and absolute delight to look at :-))
Thanks Ali - just the ticket!!!
Carl
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Congrats Carl
I've just checked the doormat - - - it's not x'mas yet in Liverpool <:(
WRONG !!!!! I Santa'd myself this evening and bought two old boats O0 but I have left them in the van until SWIMBO nods off %) %) %)
Dave
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Sensible move Dave :-)) :-)) :-))
My wife says I have two old boats - she refers to my shoes I wear in the workshop.....size 12's.
What 'old boats' are these then? I feel a new topic starting soon to see these (so we dont clog up Ali's waterline thread %))
c
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It's nice to see it arrived in one piece Carl.
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I made a start on the Pride of free Enterprise today.
It's early days yet but it's taking shape.
(http://s12.postimage.org/x4ua553gp/100_2648.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x4ua553gp/)
This is the Ostroski model. I will be aiming at this kind of detail and should be able to improve on the windows.
(http://s10.postimage.org/c5wjwlvat/POFE.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c5wjwlvat/)
I hope to do a bit more tomorrow.
Ali.
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Hi Ali
I have that water line model .
I will put my name down for one Sprit class.
I went on Oleander ex Pride of free enterprise. I took a tone of photos. If you need them I can pop a cd in the post just let me Know.
John
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That might come in handy thanks John.
The problem is that apart from the ultra modern ferries most have been done before. It's hard to match the detail and quality of these models but I'll have a go.
I have in mind a few builds.
Ulysees (Irish Ferries)
Stena Britannica
Bretagne (Brittany Ferries)
Ali.
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Hi John
try Dropbox http://www.dropbox.com/downloading just zip your folder and pop the file into your dropbox - send the unique link - he clicks on it and unzips - simples. Dropbox will do other stuff but I only use it for this.
Dave
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Thanks Dave. That would be even better as the machine I'm using at the moment doesn't have a disk drive and it's free.
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Hi Ali
I sent Carl a shed load of kalakala stuff and it was quick and painless. One bit of advice - Each file gets its own link so if there are a few put them in a folder ....... now it won't send a folder only a file - so always put folders into a zip file. That's the only thing I had to work out for myself.
Dave
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Thanks Dave.
I might try the Kalakala one day It's one of those ships that really broke the mould and definitely has a place in the history of the ferry. I hope it can be saved.
Ali.
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It is probably only days away from the end. I was told yesterday they need $100k super quick and several of the authorities have the knives out.
If I end up doing it with a mould your more than welcome Ali
Dave
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Boy oh boy oh boy!!!!!!
I will put my order in now please Ali :-)) :-)) :-))
An unpainted one - I fancy having her in the first original colour scheme with TTF in orange on the funnel....
Cant wait!!!!! It is looking great already - you have captured the hull shape so well.............
I have no doubt that yours will be clearer and 'crisper' than the other you posted the image of............
Sorry for the delay in responding to this - was in the workshop this evening creating filler dust mountains!!!! My god, the stuff gets everywhere....
Carl
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Needless to say you had a mask on Carl, can't have you a excuse to get out of finishing the Norland :}
Like you said, I don,t want to let you down.
Ali.
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It is probably only days away from the end. I was told yesterday they need $100k super quick and several of the authorities have the knives out.
If I end up doing it with a mould your more than welcome Ali
Dave
This is not good news Dave - without the backing of the city of Seattle, I cannot see how they can save her. Unfortunately, ships are generally too large to preserve........
We will have to make a lasting memorial to her then by producing the ultimate radio control version :-)) :-)) :-))
As for your mould - I think it may be a little too large for Ali's purposes........however, I am sure that the drawings I will do for the R/C version will be usefull for him to use to produce the waterline version.......
Carl
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Needless to say you had a mask on Carl, can't have you a excuse to get out of finishing the Norland :}
Like you said, I don,t want to let you down.
Ali.
Damn right I did - and full goggles!!! When that stuff gets in my eyes it gives me the mother of all headaches!!! And as you say, I cannot have an excuse for not getting the Norland done 8) 8) 8)
Time consuming though...........
Carl
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Time consuming though
So what else is there to do in Gillingham on a Wednesday night? {-)
Dave
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Booger 'all Dave, Booger 'all.......
Still, each hour spent in the workshop means one hour closer to getting the mould made......... ;)
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A quick update.
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Ali.
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Hi Ali - looking damn good fella :-))
Just one small observation - if she is to be Pride of Free Enterprise, then the area highlighted in red on your photo will need to be cut back to created an open deck. As the model is now, this represents Oleander with cabins built in this area....
Only trying to be helpful mate - certainly no critisism.........
Carl
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Sorry - forgot to add photos......
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Thanks Carl. I did spot that one. Not too much trouble to cut it back. I'm sure there will be more little bits that will need a bit of tweaking.
Ali.
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With the back bit cut down I've been doing windows. They are only a millimetre high so they're pretty hard to get right, I not happy with these so I'll do them again.
(http://s11.postimage.org/5sd48gmvj/100_2653.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5sd48gmvj/)
The windows on the front lounge and bridge are ok but I still might change them.
(http://s7.postimage.org/ul02krzhj/100_2652.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ul02krzhj/)
Ali.
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1mm I could never work that small Ali - big clumsy hands mate {:-{
I admire your dexterity and patience O0
Dave
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Thanks Dave.
I can't find any info on how the professional masters are made. I think they use clay and just prick the windows using specially made tools, I might give it a go. With a bit of practice it turn out the best technique and would save time.
Some elements still have to be made from plastic so maybe I'll stick to what I know.
Ali.
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I'm with Dave on this one - the dexterity needed for this kind of work is incredible!!!
An idea - maybe the windows could be a waterslide transfer added after painting the model? They could be printed on a strip for the modeller to attach?
Would save trying to 'cut' each one individually - and they would all line up.
If you like, I could draw them up in AutoCAD and save them to a format you could use? As I draw at 1:1 it would be no problem for me - I would just save them to the correct scale....
Your call Ali...........
Carl
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It's not a bad idea Carl, It would save a lot of hard work.
On the other hand, once this bit is done I will have a quality master and subsequent casts should be just as good. I fond the decals I made for the Pride of Hull tricky to apply even though I designed them to be as easy as possible. So I've come to the conclusion that when it comes to transfers, the less the customer has to do the better. It's just too easy for the customer to make a mistake and be left unhappy and blaming bad parts.
Ali.
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Maybe this is the way forward. The plasticine has been in the garage so it's gone quite hard. I used a nail to do these.
(http://s10.postimage.org/jxjr1ycid/100_2657.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jxjr1ycid/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali - on strawberry device so will be brief...
Have you heard of FIMO? Like plasticine but goes hard in a warm oven. Will post more when I get home...
C
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Thanks Carl. I'll look it up.
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Hi Ali
She is starting to take shape. The Sprit class has many many diffrent angles ,this s what gives them there very unique shape. When I went to the science muesum I found out a new angle on her that I had never been seen before. I put up a few of the photos I have.
John
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second lot
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Thanks John. Some of those photos have just the detail I need. The angles are a bit of a pain. It's hard to get a strait edge where two angles join. I'm still working out ways of making professional looking windows.
For this one I used another nail attached to a soldering iron.
(http://s12.postimage.org/o83xe14vd/100_2658.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o83xe14vd/)
Ali.
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Weird looking ships really, they'd never build anything like that these days. They do have a bit of character though.
Colin
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It's funny how you don't really appreciate a certain boat until you start making a model of it. The more I look at this ship the more I like it's lines. They certainly don't build them like they used to.
Ali.
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The naval architect for all the Townsend fleet from the Free Enterprise I to the Pride of Calais was James Ayres.
He certainly did not follow conventional fashion when designing his ships. The Free Enterprise I was far removed in design terms from the State ferries plying across the Straits in the early 1960's. When he designed the FEIV class in the late 60's / early 70's, again they brought a breath of fresh air and grace to the water whereas the Sealink management were just too frightened of spending money incase a channel tunnel was built!
Then, in 1979 / 80 came the Spirit class of 3 - with an appearance that drew critisism and praise in equal measure......just as any good Architect should!!!! The Prides of Dover and Calais, really, were just evolutions of the Spirits and nicknamed 'Chunnel Beaters' as they were the largest ferries ever to cross the Dover Straits...........at that time.
Today, set against the Maersk 'D's, the new Spirits or even the Darwin sisters, the two Prides are quite modest in comparison. Spirit of Free Enterprise was lengthened by some 30m to perform as a 'running mate' to the two Prides - to ensure that there was some parity between vessels on the Calais run.
James Ayres was, in my eyes, a revolutionary naval architect - a man I would truly love to meet.
Carl
PS - Ali.........here is a link to the FIMO. My sister uses it to create all sorts of jewelry and crafty things.....
http://www.fimo.com/FIMO_oven_hardening_modelling_clay?ActiveID=138502
C
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I'll get some and do some experiments with it. I should think I'll still need to make the hull in plastic but if I can get some even layers of this it would be perfect for the decks on a superstructure.
What do you think about the 'hot nail' technique. I might give it a go on the POFE and I suppose if it goes wrong I can start again with the FIMO.
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You certainly get a more regular square hole with the hot nail.....it seems to work well :-))
As you say, it is the time taken to get the master perfectly right that will pay dividends when it comes to moulding later.
I guess it is just a case of experimenting with all manner of materials and tools until you hit upon the right combination. You will know when that moment arrives!!!!
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The Prides of Dover and Calais, really, were just evolutions of the Spirits
Quite right there.
I travel frequently on Brittany Ferries and they have had a policy of building no two ships the same which makes for a fleet where everyone has their particular favourite. They operate on the Western Channel routes and to Spain so are very much 'overnight ferries' with lots of cabin accommodation.
My favourite ship is Bretagne, see below.
Colin
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Well Colin, the Bretagne is on my hit list and when I've cracked these windows I'll have a bash. Hopefully Carl can help with some plans. Make some room in your display cabinet.
Ali
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Make a Bretagne at 1:1200 or 1:1250 and I'll buy it like a shot!
Colin
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All my Ferry Small Ships are 1:250 scale so they should go with your liners quite nicely.
Ali.
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All my Ferry Small Ships are 1:250 scale so they should go with your liners quite nicely.
Ali.
1:1250 I think you mean Ali?
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oops sorry. Yes I do mean 1:1250 scale.
Ali.
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Lidl from Monday Ali
(http://s10.postimage.org/6cvtm5fbp/Lidl.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6cvtm5fbp/) O0 :D
Dave
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I think a trip to Lidl is in order. Cheers mate.
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I gathered the courage to melt some windows this evening. I think it's an improvement.
What do you think?
(http://s12.postimage.org/llamrvoy1/100_2662.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/llamrvoy1/)
Ali.
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Yes Ali, much more regular. What did you do different?
Dave
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Hi Dave. This is still a learning process and I'm sure I can improve with further models. I could make the windows a bit bigger thus making them appear closer together.
I have adapted a soldering iron to use a 1 inch nail at the tip. The nail has a nice square point.
Other tips can be shaped to give a more elongated window, round windows can still be made with a drill. You just push the point of the nail into the plastic and it melts. you will get a bit of melted plastic that squirts out and this will harden almost immediately and can be filed away.
Ali.
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Hi guys. I had a couple of hours spare this evening and did a few more windows. They need a bit of tidying up but I think I getting the hang of it. I have made the bridge windows bigger and they do look better.
I shall definitely be using this technique again.
(http://s11.postimage.org/6u6o2hdsf/100_2665.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6u6o2hdsf/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/b8f5ebocv/100_2669.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b8f5ebocv/)
Ali.
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Practice makes perfect, keep up the good work. Getting the master right is a real investment.
Colin
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Please be Careful about the FUMES the heat might cause. These could be carcinogenic and affect you and your health.
You've done a nice symmetrical set of windows there. Well done. :-))
ken
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I can't find any info on how the professional masters are made. Ali.
Hi Colin
I know you have quite a few models, and I just wondered if you could point Ali towards any info/links re 'professional masters'?
Dave
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Bonjour everyone - arrived safe and sound in belle France after solid 12 hour drive from Dunkerque!!!!!
Just catching up now......
Ali - those windows are certainly looking the biz. I think you may have hit upon the method to use there :-)) :-))
SOFE / POFE will certainly test your modelling skills to the full with all those angles!!!!!!!
Looking forward to the next installment :-)) :-)) :-))
cheers,
Carl
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It Has been said that men think about sex every three minutes but I would like to say that this is completely untrue. It is actually every four minutes.
When I have a boat project on the go which is fast becoming most of the time, I am nearly always planning my next move.
So even at this time of year, things have to get done. Not much has changed on the actual model but that doesn't mean I have been idle. Here are the preparations for the transfers which will be in the kit for the Pride of Free Enterprise.
(http://s18.postimage.org/wfgn0rg7p/spirit_of_free_enterprise_port_side.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wfgn0rg7p/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali
very nice drawing.
John
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I got a bit carried away...as usual.
Ali.
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Ali - answer me a question re windows - forgive my ignorance.
On your scale of model would you say the square windows are
the same(ish) size? .......... and though differently spaced are
they generally along a straight line (at least in small groups)?
Regards Dave
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On this model The windows are square because I am using a square ended nail to make them. Smaller windows are done simply by not pressing so far into the model itself. However future models will probably be made from FIMO and I will be able to make implements for whatever shape window I want. They are along a straight line but the upper edge of the smaller windows are usually in line with the upper edge of the bigger ones.
Ali.
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Hi Ali
for some odd reason I was thinking about typesetting (our grey matter is mysterious stuff)
then I got to thinking about your models and your nail, and how some of the chaps on here
are a whiz with brass. O0
What if you made/had made a brass bar with a flatted top, of a diameter that took the brass
prongs (plus screw) from some old 13 amp plugs. had these prongs milled to a thickness (or
thickness's of your choice) and then used milled sections of a one size larger tube as spacers
(or washers could do it less elegantly). Length of tool up to you but I'm thinking 100 - 150mm.
So I am thinking that, line - spacing - depth - end shape/s ......... could all be controlled more
finely and repitition would be easy. What do you think then? .......and 'rubbish' is ok too Ali. :P
Dave
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If you think you have window problems then how about this?
My Xmas present. 1:1250 scale and weighs 0.8kg. Having recently sailed on the original it has a special attraction for me.
Previously I had not rated the external appearance of QM2 very highly although her interiors are fabulous but in model form you can see that she does have a certain attractiveness despite her size. When you see her in reality she is so big that you only really see part of the ship.
In answer to the earlier question, just about all the current master models of 1:1250 scale ships are still made in Germany and I believe they are constructed largely of plastic.
Colin
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Well Dave. It's not a bad idea having a single tool which can be changed into whatever configuration is needed. I'm not sure I'll be able to build one how you described but it did get me thinking and I shall try the following method next time.
I'll be trialling KIMO and to imprint the windows on the clay like material I will make a pattern which is a negative of how the windows are set out. The backing will be thin plastic so it can be peeled off after being pressed into the clay.
(http://s13.postimage.org/7hcz1at9v/Untitled1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7hcz1at9v/)
Ali.
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Hi guys. Now that my son is back at school I didn't want to waste my day off so I got cracking.
(http://s7.postimage.org/fhcxqi5cn/100_2687.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fhcxqi5cn/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/usmqr42on/100_2698.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/usmqr42on/)
Also this arrived in the post today....Well chuffed.
(http://s18.postimage.org/dqd02wqd1/100_2700.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dqd02wqd1/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali
Sorry but I completely missed your previous post hence no reply. Yes new tool / mask looks ok.
Any help has got to be better than freehanding it every time. If you E mail me a 1:1 mask (with
the dimensions marked if possible) I'll have a little think.
Dave
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Hi Dave. I found a really good web site which tell you how the pro's make masters. It's quite enlightening and I'll have adopt a few techniques used.
http://www.shipmodels.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/default.htm
Also I have set up my own web site.
http://ferrysmallships.moonfruit.com/#
Ali.
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I need to know how the seats are arranged on the aft observation deck. Dose anyone have any photos please?
Ali.
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Hi Ali - back in Blighty as of this morning after an 'interesting' crossing from Dunkerque last night!!!! Slightly rough seas and a 5 hour queue to get into the port.......a little windy in the Channel !!!!
I have loads of pictures........but they are all on my mobile hard drive which is at work. Will be able to sort them out in the morning if thats ok? If someone else can help in the meantime that would be great.
One question - are you going to cast the hull and superstructure seperately on this one? If not, will you not have problems with the undercuts?
Looking absolutely delicious!!!!!! Observation - the sides of the funnels should be flush with the sides of the superstructure and sloping at the same angle.
Really looking forward to adding this one to the collection - many consider the design to be 'odd', however I think it is 'fresh' - especially when compared to the other ferries of the day.
Will get the photos to you in the morning mate......
Carl
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Hi Carl. Welcome back mate.
I'm happy to wait thanks, you can't these things. I intend to cast them separately, the under cuts are not much of a problem with the silicone rubber but the closeness of the bulwarks to the superstructure and other bits are a concern. I need also to make sure I get no bubbles but I'm looking into making a vacuum box which if it works would suck any trapped air out the resin before it goes hard.
Oh and I'm all over the funnels :}
Ali.
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He he - I guessed you might be........excellent progress so far :-)) :-))
And an excellent addition with the Norsun.....how did you come by that then?
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Hi Ali
The sprit of free Enterprise is looking good.
Here are 2 photos to go on tell me if you need more.
John
Ps did you see that ferry in the paper yesterday . I thing it was normdany ? strugling to get back in to dover.
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I found it completely by accident when doing a image search.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/IndigoHeirlooms?section_id=7172776&page=1
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Thanks for the photos John. I bet there's some ships struggling tonight.
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There will be strugling to night.
here are some better photos of her . This is the Science muesum model
john
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Thanks again John. I'll be in touch about the stuff on the bow.
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That is a nice model - if I can get the r/c version as good I will be one happy chappy!!!!
John - which paper was the photo in? I saw a news report last night whilst crossing from Dunkerque that showed the European Seaway entering Dover in the gale..........but by then the port was open again. They closed it for a few hours late morning which caused an interesting backlog in the French harbours!!!
They seem to be coping this evening so far.............
http://www.doverferryphotos.co.uk/ais.htm
Carl
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Hi Carl
What a great link - I had no idea we could see that, nor how crowded it is out there.
Scarily close, night, stormy - Let's hope a safe passage for them all.
Being able to get images of the ships named is also great. I quite like the Suecia Seaways.
It's really windy here in Liverpool - ages since it's been so bad. I hear the trains have stopped too.
Dave
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Image of the Norman Spirit entering Dover on the 3rd January.
The 'Old Man' must have been a little tense!!!!!!!
Carl
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I love pictures like this, so much drama.
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Those three red lights add quite a lot to the image's intensity too.
Not only physchologically for being red, but they really do draw the eye
away frm the bow action and into the proximity of a possible collision.
Dave
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The classic "Titan Uranus" moment. :o
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It wasnt quite as choppy as that when we crossed in the evening - but close!!!!
very interesting watching the tugs assisting the ferries to berth - tremendous skill...............
Ali - out of all the pictures I have of the 'Spirit' class vessels (very many kindly supplied by John), this is the only one that I think may be of any use to you regarding the deck seating......
Sorry mate - most of the photos are of Oleander - and she has this area converted to cabins............
Carl
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Hi Carl
it was the mail. but it was that photo.
John
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I've added a bit more to my ferry small ships web site. Check it out and join of you want, let me know if you have any suggestions.
http://ferrysmallships.moonfruit.com/#
Ali.
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Signed up last night Ali :-)) :-)) :-))
Will you be adding a shop to allow visitors to purchase the models - via paypal maybe?
Carl
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Hey Ali
I posted a topic on your site - well a few questions really. You might see it as an
opportunity to interest customers new to waterline via understanding the class -
anyway see what you think.
Dave
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Have a look at this German model shop
http://www.classic-ship.de/4dcgi/pws_cmd_area/cmd=1_uid=2758_sid=5152525752575353573B54392437313B54394C5A5B52575255575054_url=/products/index.html
John
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Very nice John - but my god, have you seen the prices? :o :o :o
£115 for the European Seaway and nigh on £200 for the Colour Magic !!!!!
I think Ali's prices are bargains if this is the norm for 1:1250 waterline models.
And some people complain about £400 for a large scale radio control detailed kit????????
Carl
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They are high end models for 1:1250 collectors. Most models to this scale are around half that amount pricewise but there are few modern ferries featured by other manufacturers.
These sort of models are collectables which, while not being an investment as such, do tend to hold their value as many have only limited production runs.
I would only pay these particular prices if the ship had a special meaning for me such as Brittany Ferries Bretagne on which I have sailed on many occasions over the last 20 years.
Colin
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I think I can do a pretty good Bretagne for £80 Colin.
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I'll post some links to other good shops later.
Ali.
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Two really good links here.
http://www.steelnavy.com/1250home.htm
http://www.risawoleska.de/en/Haendler.html
Ali.
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A quick question. Which funnel livery do you prefer?
(http://s9.postimage.org/6f87olo97/download_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6f87olo97/)
or
(http://s10.postimage.org/8auzzpv39/sprit_logo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali
I prefer the later one TT
The funnel colour never changed from that green/blue so you could do both and let the modler decide.
John
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Ha ha ha.............me? I prefer the TTF as originally carried when first in service!!!!
Awkward "xxxxx" arent I ??? {-) {-) {-)
C
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I prefer the TT design too. The reason I ask is that I have modelled the POFE with the liferaft cannisters in their original position.
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I could make some decals for both designs but I was hoping to have just one as I'm thinking of having these models only available as finished articles. In both your cases I could make an exception.
Ali.
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Ali - you are a GENT O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
I know John is very partial to the Herald whereas I am very fond of the Spirit................
A blank model with transfers that I could detail myself in the cold of an evening would be a magnificent way to spend an evening!!!!!
You are too kind Sir :-)) :-)) :-))
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I am thinking my decals are difficult for the beginner and the use of some special solvent(Micro Sol or Micro Set) is required to make the decals look good.
I've never used this solvent before and I'm bound to mess it up first time, something my customers cannot afford to do.
However I'm sure men of your calibre know what to do.
Ali.
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Hi Ali
thank you for thinking of us. I like the Hearld as she had the best paint job. All 3 ships had diffrent paint jobs so the could be rec at a didtance.
I am with Carl on this. if you could do a blank model that would work best for me. I might even get a second one and try Oleander in TEF livery.
John
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TEF decals will be made too I'll bung them in with your order.
(http://s15.postimage.org/v2an3p7uf/100_2706.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v2an3p7uf/)
Ali
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Ali I know you have a list of ferrys you want to do.
May I put one foward for concederation. Superfast VI Superfast VII Superfast X. these were Baltic and North sea versions. They have been leased/sold many times. The biggest mod would be sea france version which had a cow catcher add and the rear ramps removed and a door instaled. Or Atlanci marine one which has a ramp on the upper car deck. There will be other slight mod but nothing ovious in 1:1250 scale. These ships have sailed in 6 to 7 diffrent company/liverys. So you could get many many diffrent models from one mold.
John
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TEF decals will be made too I'll bung them in with your order.
(http://s15.postimage.org/v2an3p7uf/100_2706.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v2an3p7uf/)
Ali
Looking very nice
john
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I'm a big fan of the Superfast range, good looking ships in my opinion. I'll get round to them. The biggest challenge is finding plans for the newer ships, they are like hens teeth.
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Possible one for the future. Cap Finistere ex. Superfast V
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Ali I rember reading some were ,were some one know some one who might have acess. Give me a few days and I will let you know what I find
here is what I have stright way
john
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Ali super fast V had the old shap Superfast VI,VII,X had the newer shape hell of a lot in diffrance.
john
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Hi Ali
This company in Germany sells the hull of Superfast XI . He might sell plans
http://www.steinhagen-modelltechnik.de/uebersicht.htm
This company sell a kit of Superfast VII and planes see post on page one of the mayhem link 2008 prices
http://www.modellbauwerft.com/
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11748.0
There is a guy called Pekka on RC Group forum he might be worth droping a PM see post 40 onwards on this link
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646087&highlight=finnjet&page=3
John
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ON first link cant get a direct page link to work
http://www.modellbauwerft.com/
then press online katalog then go to Fahren then Superfast VII
john
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Hi all.
The Kit parts for the Pride of free enterprise have started to roll off the production line.
Here's one I (quickly) built and painted using what I had in my paint draw.
(http://s7.postimage.org/dm6s410qv/100_2731.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dm6s410qv/)
I have no idea what colours to recommend. They need to be easily available like Revell of Tamia.
Humbrol have this colour which my be good for the hull.
http://www.humbrol.com/paints/acrylic-paints/ab0209-209-fire-orange--12ml-gloss-acrylic-tinlet/
Ali.
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Hi Ali
Yes that is a good solid colour but also has a little vibrancy to it O0
Dave
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I mixed the colour for the hull. Orange,brown and red. The Humbrol colour is the closest match I've found so far.
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Ali - that is really putting a smile on my face here :-)) :-)) O0 O0
She looks just the part - let us know when you are ready to take orders O0 O0 O0
Carl
PS have you seen Ralphs delftship work with the Norland :o :o :o?
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Hi Carl.
Maybe you can try something for me. If you log on to my site you'll see that the POFE models are now available and I'd like to test the payment facility.
Ali
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Will do mate - give me a few minutes............ :-))
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All done - nice and smooth and confirmation received :-)) :-))
That was easy!!!!!!!!!!!1 O0 O0 O0
Carl
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It's a pleasure doing business with you Carl.
That Delfship does look good, I keep meaning to give it a go. Deadwood's drawings are fab although I think the dimensions are wrong for the length. I shall have to try some drawings, it could save a fortune in buying plans.
Ali
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Hi Ali / Carl
Delf - Learning new tricks etc - it all takes time though Ali
I don't know about you but where does it go?
I never seem to have enough time to get everything done
and I don't even sleep much.
Dave
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I juggling about five model projects at the moment, route learning Ipswich to Liverpool St, I've a four year old running around the house and then there's the missus. You could say I'm quite busy at the moment.
Ali
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Tell me about it Dave - it is now 9:10 and I am still at my desk at work (since 8am) - dopey deadline to meet to that the Boss can spend a couple of million on a new site....
MInd you - he has just spend gawd knows how much on a new McLaren sports car!!!!
Will get some pictures up of the Kalakala mock-up over the weekend :-)) I may ask Ralph if he can check my calculations with his DS drawing.........I am not particularly happy with the superstructure sections at the moment...............
C
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Hi Carl
Please don't. Seriously I can wait until you are a bit freer (freer? is that a really a word?).
I want to see your current project finished (ha ha not as much as you do though).
Dave
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Hi Ali
She is looking good. The TT hull orange is a hard one in the photos I have it varies in the light from orange to a red. Your funnels seam a bit to blue it more of a buley green. Just a small note
The sprite had a green life housing and green above the bridge on the Hearld it was life white and above the bridge wahit on the Pride lift was red and above the bridge was green.
In your kit does transfers come with it.
John
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Hi John
Thanks for the info on colours. What is the life housing? I've been working on the hull colour and made a whole pot up so it's not patchy. The paint I used for the funnels was never correct an I'll mix some paint for them too.
I've not done the transfers yet,still waiting for some decal paper but the images for the Townsend Thoresen and TransEuropa Ferries lettering are ready to be printed to the correct scale. I may sell these separately on my web site but I'll include some TEF transfers in your kit if you like.
Ali
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Hi Ali
Thanks for the transfer option.
The lift housing is that block on the deck behind the funnels on the starboard side. The rule on the diffrent colours seams to vary throught out there lifes .I have a photo of the Sprite with it in white and another in green I guess they choped and changed the colour throught there lives.
On a diffrent note I have traveled on Stena Europa a lot for work and Ulysses a few times. I have a ton of photos of Europa and some of Ulyesses if you are intrested.
John
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Postie has been!!!!!
A nice, new waterline ferry for my collection O0 O0. Excellent work Ali - your eyesight must be amazing as she is so much smaller than Pride of Hull :o :o :o.
Looking forward to putting her together as the Pride or maybe the Herald - but will hang fire until some transfers are available though...........my hand isnt that steady to paint the lettering on....
Couple of things though mate - dont bother with the exhaust stacks on the funnels as mine were broken off - they will not survive the packaging and postage unfortunately. Although it is a simple matter to make some from wire to replace. Also, I think you need to find an alternative method of mounting the parts on the backing card - mine were difficult to remove - especially the very small, delicate parts (the sticky strip was far too sticky!!!), and I still have not managed to remove the sticky residue from the underside of the hull or superstructure.
One question - what are the small rectangular parts that are loose with the lifeboats? I am guessing that they are small parts of bulwark for between the boats but I have to ask.......
Will get some photos up soon, and will crack on with building her this evening....
Cheers Ali - whats next?
Carl
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Thanks for the honest review Carl.
The new packaging I tried obviously doesn't work as there's always a chance of a heavy handed postman....I think I'll go back to boxes.
The lifeboats and davits are cast in one piece with the legs of the davits fitting into the gaps in the bulwark. Maybe they have broken too.
I'll send some more if you like, along with the decals when they're done....free of of charge of course.
John,
I would love some photos of Stena Europe and Ulysees. These ships seem to have been overlooked and I intend to model them after the Spirit of Britain/France has been done.
Ali
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Hi Ali,
I think the idea of the packaging - especially for the smaller models such as these - is ideal. The delicacy of the funnel exhausts dictates that these really cannot survive the UK post system, and boxes will just increase the model costs and postage. I really like the packaging like this - I can just imagine a whole range of them hanging on a 'rotunda' at a show!!!!
Maybe you could try loose mounting them on card and then wrapping the kit in 'heat-shrink' plastic (something like a cling-film) - there must be something out there that is suitable.....shrink by use of a hair-dryer?
As for my kit - the lifeboats are fine and nothing (other than the exhausts) is broken. Simply, on the backing card at one end of the strip containing the lifeboats are either 6 or 8 (cannot remember how many) small rectangular plastic pieces.........just wondered what they were for.....
Cracking little model Ali - well done mate :-)) :-))
Carl
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Oh yes now I remember. I think they are gangways. There's three on each side and are located on the bulwarks below the funnels.
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Got it :-)) :-)) - They are actually boarding ladders, more substantial than the rolled up versions under each lifeboat.
Cheers Ali - mystery solved...
C
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Hi Ali
once I get my photo sorted out on this new laptop of mine I will get a disk to you.
John
Ps let me know when you have done the transfers any I will give you an order. The info on Superfast thats all I have apart from a ton of photos that I will put on that disk for you.
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Thanks John
Much appreciated.
Ali
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I got some of the decal paper I ordered this morning so I tried it out on the hull lettering for the POFE. This is the white type of paper so the edges of the decal have to be painted over but it dose help to hide them.
I'm not sure if you can use micro sol on white decal paper but I'll give it a try when I get some.
(http://s11.postimage.org/pnwk6mkwv/100_2744.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pnwk6mkwv/)
Ali
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Hi Ali
Just wondering - what got you started on waterline models in general, and ferries in particular?
Just being nosey mate ............. I'll move onto phobias, allergies, and exes' later {-) only kidding
Dave
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I've had a thing for ferries since I was eight. I only have space for two big models, I have one and the other will be the Norland.
The waterline models will keep me going until then.
Ali.
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The waterline models will keep me going until then.
Hey Ali - you make them sound like modellers methadone {-)
I've always liked Flying Boats - since I was a kid too, but no idea what started it?
I don't ever recall seeing a real one, maybe it was in the old Tarzan films O0
just trying to remember the monkeys name .........
Back to waterline models - I liked Colins cabinet collection - a lot to look at but
quite compact.
Dave
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Back to waterline models - I liked Colins cabinet collection - a lot to look at but
quite compact.
Yes, it's like having a picture on the wall, I never tire of looking at them as it is so interesting to compare the different designs and sizes of all those famous ships.
I haven't put the Queen Mary 2 in there though as she is a bit heavy. She has her own little display case on top of the case of one of my larger models with the window of the cabin we travelled in picked out in silver paint - aaaaah!
Colin
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Hi Colin
Yes just like a picture but one with lots to look at, and not a central object as with most pictures.
I keep trying to talk my wife into a cruise - however there are so many choices I am not sure which to opt for.
Dave
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Dave,
A cruise is great value at the moment. If you have not already tried it then I would thoroughly recommend it. As you say, there are a huge number of options. It really does depends on what you want out of it though.
Our first two cruises were with Thomson. The first was to Norway, the second around the Baltic. The first one was good but the Baltic one at 12 days was one of our most enjoyable holidays ever as you get to see so much in the time available with lots of great ports of call. Thomson also give you a full day at each port which many companies do not.
Last Autumn we travelled on the Queen Mary 2 to New York. The ship is stunning and there are some great deals including a BA or Virgin flight back plus a few days in NY as well. However you do need to be prepared to dress up a bit as Cunard is quite formal in that respect.
We have just booked another 7 night Thomson cruise around the Adriatic in May from Corfu which calls at Venice, Dubrovnik and other ports. http://www.thomson.co.uk/cruise.html
Thomson aren't as posh as Cunard which means that the one optional formal night involves just a jacket and tie. Their ships are older and smaller than the main cruise companies which in many respects is an advantage as the whole experience is quite relaxed and very good value for money plus the quality of food and entertainment is every bit as good as Cunard. You don't need to worry abouit tips either as they are included in the price. If you haven't cruised before then Thomson offer a really good laid back experience. Your wife will absolutely love it and so will you.
Any questions, just PM me.
Colin
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I got some of the decal paper I ordered this morning so I tried it out on the hull lettering for the POFE. This is the white type of paper so the edges of the decal have to be painted over but it dose help to hide them.
I'm not sure if you can use micro sol on white decal paper but I'll give it a try when I get some.
(http://s11.postimage.org/pnwk6mkwv/100_2744.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pnwk6mkwv/)
Ali
That seems the ticket Ali - just what is needed :-)) :-)) :-))
Have had a busy week last week at the day-job..........and this one is not looking much better........just wish I could give it all up to spend time in the workshop!!! <:( <:(
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Have had a busy week last week at the day-job..........and this one is not looking much better........just wish I could give it all up to spend time in the workshop!!! <:( <:(
Just burn the candle both ends, work like a madman for your boss and eventually
the nice doctor will give you six months off with stress / nervous exhaustion O0
That worked for me Carl ..............what an idiot I was (I don't do that anymore)
Sometimes I just need to do nothing and empty my head - plus that lets me
be more productive the rest of the time - so using that point I can avoid any of
those guilty feelings for a little laziness. %)
Work hard .................. but not all the time mate.
Dave
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Hi Ali
Just thought I'd give you a bump and ask what's happening re waterlines?
Me - I've just got interested in the Southsea or Brading ex BR (but you probably know already)
Kraftykid posted some model pictures and Southsea caught my eye ...... might look for the plans
for next year.
Hey Colin I've been to Venice twice .......... both girlfriends loved the Gondalas and we passed
Marco Polo's House and (so it was said) Casanova's. St Marks had scaffolding up both times though.
Loved Venice.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
I've put two kits of the Spirit together for John(cos918). I've also had a couple of enquires regarding some models but no bites yet. I'm making a Spirit model up to stick on Ebay just to gauge how much people will want to pay.
I'm looking into the Pride of Dove/Calais at the moment, these also have been overlooked by waterline modellers.
I've scaled down the plans for Spirit of Britain/France and will try to find the motivation to start a master soon. I am going to try a different technique on this one and I'll need to practice first.
As for the Southsea and Brading....... BR always did have good taste in ships.
Ali
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I'm very impressed with the Triton harbour accessories available from Skytrex, so much so I'll be buying more bits to make up a diorama.
(http://s16.postimage.org/q2xyewi2p/100_2756.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/q2xyewi2p/)
Ali
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Hi Ali
Very nice ,like it a lot. They are Dover double deck link spans . I am going to get a set to.
John
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Hi Ali
Any news/updates? Any proposals on the 29th? {-)
Dave
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Hi Dave,
I'm busy completing orders for the spirit class at the moment so I've not done much in the way of building. I am drawing some plans for Pride of Dover/Calais, have cast a hull for the Pride of York/Bruges. I want to get started on the new Spirits soon.
I will finish my training on the Norwich-London route next week. It's been a bit hectic but should settle down and I'll be able to get back into the swing again.
I have potential model coming out of my ears so I'll keep quiet for now.
Ali.
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I want to get started on the new Spirits soon.
:o
Don't let your TOC hear you say that Ali - {-)
Dave
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Hi Ali
on the pride of york /bruges will you been doing 1 north sea ferries and 2 the early P/O livery with the dark blue hull. On the pride of dover are you going to do her with open bridge wings like as built or with inclosed bridge wings in her later half of her life.
john
Ps you are doing great work
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Hi John,
I like the way you think!
I was thinking that I would sell more if I do the POY/POB in their current livery, however If I made the master for a NSF version it would be good for the interim P&O livery as well. Then I could make a modification to a cast before remoulding.
I am looking in to a separate cast for the bridge for Pride Of D/C as I can't decide which one to do.
Ali
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Hi Ali
If you did the NSF version and the early P/O I will take one of each. As for the the pride of Dover I would like to do her in her first livery. Townsend Thoresen. I dont know if see entered service with TT on her funnel or P/O I can do some research.
John
ps are you going to Wickstead this year
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Hi John,
I plan to make all three liveries for Norsea/Pride of York so your in look.
I believe the TT was changed to P&O during fitting out as this was around the time of the Herald disaster. My model will come with TT or P&O decals.
This is the latest step in my waterline ship evolution.
(http://s18.postimage.org/40qy5b6fp/100_2783.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/40qy5b6fp/)
And my latest acquisition.
(http://s13.postimage.org/a0vp5t5wj/100_2786.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/a0vp5t5wj/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali
did some reasrech and the TT was removed before sea trials. Turns out there was not enought time to repaint the hull in to P/O livery.
I like the windows is that a tool you have made up. Did you make Norbank? as it is very nice.
john
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Hi Dave,
Yes it's just a bit of plastic with teeth on the end. I'll be using it on the Spirit of Britain.
I got the Norbank from http://www.galerie-maritim.de/ currently on offer for 85 Euro's which is a very good deal.
Ali.
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Quick update.
(http://s15.postimage.org/x9i574807/100_2788.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x9i574807/)
Ali.
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Another quickie.
(http://s12.postimage.org/76a69fkhl/100_2798.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/76a69fkhl/)
Ali
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Hi Ali
its john here cos918 had to use a tempory acount. The sprit of britian is looking good, On thursday I am on P/O ferries and back on Friday i will see if I can get some photos. Did that CD turn up and was it an use. Found this forum it is in swedish put google can translate. Got some good photos and cover 1:1250 model boats.
John
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.landgangen.se%2Fforumsmf10%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D18678.180
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Hi John,
Thanks for the CD. I haven't had a look at it yet but I'm sure it'll be massively useful. The Swedish looks interesting, I might even join.
Ali.
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Hi guys,
It's been a busy week. Business is good, in fact it's a little too good. Orders for my kits keep coming in with the Free Enterprise kit being especially popular. Obviously I'm chuffed that it's going so well but while I'm completing orders, I'm not left with much time to develop new models.
However I've had a few days off this week and I was determined to get something done.
Pride of Bruges, I'll ebay this one.
(http://s13.postimage.org/4vejsub2r/100_2806.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4vejsub2r/)
I've made a start on uglying up....sorry 'jumboising' the Pride of Kent.
(http://s13.postimage.org/x7n2mldw3/100_2808.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x7n2mldw3/)
I put a finished model of POFE on ebay a few weeks ago and got £200 for it so I'll see how much the POB goes for.
Ali
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P&OSL kent is nearly finished. It was a bit of a pain to do and it did require cutting up two other models so I will not be making many more of these.
Looks pretty good though.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh585/ferryfan5/100_2824.jpg
Ali
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Here 's another photo, just to see if the additional options work when attaching a pic.
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YES!
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Hi Ali
I saw your models on ebay all I can say is well done and very well done on the Pride of Hull. You have done a nice job on the Pride Of Kent strech but they wrecked the real ferry both on performance and looks wise when they Streched her. I you now not selling models via your web site?
John
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Hi John,
I decided to shut the shop down because I couldn't keep up with the orders and not being much of a business man I can do without filling in tax returns. Also this way I can go at my own pace and develop new models.
That said, orders can still be made for my models which if you are a ferrysmallships member will be heavily discounted from the prices you see on ebay.
The P&OSL Kent was stretched at Fincantieri ship yards in Italy and not the original builders yard at Bremerhaven, Germany. The yards at Bremerhaven were well practised at 'jumboising' ships and they my have done a better job.
Ali
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Hi Ali
Just refound your thread post meltdown.
Pain in the ssA losing everything and everyone.
Dave
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Hi all,
I'm now back on track with my waterline models after a little project to add sound and lights to my class 37. The Spirit of Britain should be in production in the next month.
(http://s17.postimage.org/jd8egccmz/100_3067.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jd8egccmz/)
Ali.
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Hi Ali
nice to see you hard at it again :-))
Dave
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looking good Ali
john
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I did hit a brick wall with this one but a change is as a rest as they say and I'm now looking forward to finishing so I can start on Pride of Dover.
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I have just got the pride of sandwich which is nice so a pride of dover will go a long side nicely.
John
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Hi Ali, Hi Dave, Hi John....
Guess who %) %) %)
Ali - that Spirit of Britain looks absolutely bang on mate :-)) Looking forward to adding her to my collection when ready.
One question if I may - is there a tecnique to adding the decals you provided with the SOFE or are they just like any other waterslides? I havent used them yet, but thought I would ask before ruining the set I have.
As for an update from me - the plug is finally finished for the FEV, other than adding the windows and panel detail - I just wish I could get my life back on track to some normality again!!!
I will try and look in more often - promise!!!
Carl
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ELVIS IS BACK IN THE BUILDING {-)
and I'm just off to work - welcome back Carl :-)) but I gotta go now <:(
Dave
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Can trains still run when the rails are flooded Dave? If it is anything like what we are having here - you will need a boat not a locomotive mate....
Take care out there - it aint good tonight...
C
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Hi Carl,
It's great to see you back on Mayhem.
My decals are different from the professional ones. What you cut out is what you get. For instance anything made to go on a coloured background has to be printed on white decal paper.
The Townsend Thoresen lettering is actually the paper itself and the orange surrounding the letters is the ink. This has to match the paint used on the hull. You will have to trim inside the coloured background or you will get white showing through.
The decals can be hard to keep down while dabbing the excess water off, they like to stick to the tissue. I would recommend varnishing after a couple of days with ENAMEL as its a bit more gentle.
Here is an exert from the rule book regarding floods.
(http://s9.postimage.org/48r7ui9yj/floods.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/48r7ui9yj/)
Ali
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After doing some serious collecting and parting with more money than I would have liked over the last year, I now have proper replacements for those wooden models I showed you at the start of this thread. It feels like I've come full circle.
(http://s14.postimage.org/ta5lgb3h9/100_3131.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ta5lgb3h9/)
Ali
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The first production model of Spirit of Britain has now been detailed. A few tweaks are needed, not least the paint job. I'll keep this one and implement the improvements on subsequent models.
(http://s9.postimage.org/3x3iqno4r/100_3186.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3x3iqno4r/)
Ali.
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Good Luck with the new model Ali - nice photo too :-))
It never ceases to amaze me how small you can work.
Dave
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Thanks Dave,
Once you get your eye in the small detail gets easier. Of course there is also a skill in deciding where to stop. I still need to perfect the moulding and casting though.
Ali
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Hi Ali
love the collection of NSF ferries very nice.You Sprit of Britian is looking very good.
Here is a few photos of my fleet so far. There is still the ferries I brought off you to add once I have painted them. I have another USSR icebreaker on the way.
Finnjet needs rebuilding ,two superfast will get repainted in to Brittany ferrys Cap Finistere and Stena superfast. The sprit and Fantaisia were brought in a poor sate and require some TLC. The Silja ferry just daws ever other ferrie in beam and height.
John
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Pretty darn sweet John,
You'l need a rather large harbour to berth them all.
Ali
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Here is the lastest
USSR Arktika class
Going to need a very big dock
John
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Just got a very nice tidy townsend thorsen europen freighter class of the early eightys. Lovely little ferry but one again totaly dawfed by Silja line boat.
John
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How about a few pics of you collection John?
Dave
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Hi Dave
you have the bulk of the fleet in the photos at the top of this page.
All that is missing is X3 boat I got from Ali Oleander, Hearld of free Enterprise ,Pride of Hull and Nils Drake of TT line
John
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oops so it is :embarrassed:
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Hi John,
Nice model, There's one on Ebay at the moment. It's a bit broken and currently at £40. It looks to be a different make than your's.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110954480668?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1080wt_1132
Ali
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Hi Ali thanks for that
It is a diffrent make,that one is resin and mine is metal. I was watching it but it went to high I paid £37 for a minter and that went for £64 with a broken mast. There seam to be X2 people on ebay at the moment that will pay way over the odds for these models as most ferries are going way over book value.
john
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Good for me then!
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Hi Ali
your ferries are diffrent as they are one offs or very limited.
These other ferries are from normal production runs and are not rare so they should not go for such high money but saying that the MS STENA SCANDINAVICA from Conrad is at £202 with over 3 days to go, crazy money but then some people will pay over the odds. Me I am watching and seeing what boats go for.
John
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Hi John,
Thanks for the CD. I haven't had a look at it yet but I'm sure it'll be massively useful. The Swedish looks interesting, I might even join.
Ali.
Hi Ali
did you ever join that swedish forum?
john
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Finnclipper
john
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I posted some photos on here a few days ago and now they are gone. Will they come back?
John
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Probably not. {:-{
Could you possibly post them again ?
regards
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I was so impressed with a Carat model I received yesterday that I thought I'd have a go at adding railings.
I'm not sure I like it...It looks more like a picket fence than metal railings but it was worth a try.
Ali
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Hi Ali
Carat model are a class in there own with there own price tag and so easy to break. I do think the railings make a world of difference. Conrad models are good but would be so much better with railings. Were did you get the railings from ?
john
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some of the lost post. this new lay out is weird.
john
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part 2
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Nice model of Brittany Ferries Pont Aven there, we have travelled on her a good few times. I just wish there was a model of Bretagne as well, we are on our umpteenth crossing on her next month.
Colin
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Hi Colin
I went on Pont Aven a few months ago. It was my first time using Brittany ferries and I was very impressed by there standerds and got a 40 min bridge vist. I have Superfast V waiting to get repainted in to Cap Finistere. Getting the model of the Pont Aven was a mission but woth it. Hope you have a nice crossing on Bretagne
john
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John,
You were lucky to get the bridge visit. Our trip next month is our usual 24 hour Portsmouth to St Malo which gives us all day in St Malo to drive along the coast and stock up with wine for Christmas. We usually have a nice meal in St Malo as well!
Colin
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Hi all,
The shelves in my new work room are filling up with the next batch of orders. Three models are will be going to a private collector who is a big fan of the Spirit class ships. Five more are going to Galerie Maritim in Hamburg, a big dealer in Germany.
Just as will really as my latest acquisitions aren't cheap.
Ali.
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Hi Ali
very nice line up. I have just managed to get my self a Pride of Burgandy.
You have been busy there.Is that a Pride of York ex NSF Norsun/Norsea I see there.
John
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A few ferries and an odd ball.
Silja Europa, Longstone, Stena Hollandica , Stena Britannica , Stena Transporter ,Stena Transit ,Barfleur and a Soviet hovercraft.
Europa is the Biggest ferry of Silja.
You can see haow big the Stena Hollandica is at 240m long dawfs the calmac ferry. Was going to repaint Barfleur in to Brittiany ferries livery but her truck line livery is growing on me.
John
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part 2 also including the Robin Hood next to the Nils Dacke
john
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Hi John,
You haven't been wasting time building your collection ether by the looks of things.
That was the Norsea. I'm now on the look out for Norland to complete the NSF collection.
I was hoping to start work on the Pride of Dover but Galerie Maritim keep increasing their order, now at six.
Ali
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Hi Ali
German ebay has been a god send. The sellers who sell with paypal get better prices. I have found last 6 ships I have sent money in the post. Marialla went for to much ,she still evaids me.
Have not seen Norland but if I see one I will keep my eyes peeled and let you know. There is allways Kassel.
Are you going to be doing Norsea
john
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Cracking collection there John.....
And Ali - I am really pleased that your work is being appreciated by a wider audience!!!
Talk of Norland reminds me that I will be sending some drawings to you soon mate for you to look over - I need you to vet them to ensure that I have things right before I send the frames and profile away for cutting. Should be starting the plug in the new year O0 . One thing - I need info on what is on the rear mooring deck. None of the drawings i have show anything and my photos are none to clear either....
Cheers
Carl
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A few more
Some of these I have had for a far bit of time some are new.
P1 Stena sea lynx and the Stena Germananica.
P2/P3 Pride of Burgandy European Seaways. It is interesting to see the diffrence in height for what should be to idential ferrys One made by Carat and one by Sextant.
P4 Olau Hollandia
P5 Tom Sawyer , Nils Holgerson
P6 The compleat TT Line fleet. Nils Dacke ,Robin Hood , Nils Holgerson ,Tom Sawyer ,Peter Pan
P7 City of Cork , Saint Patrick II , Aurella of Viking line. These models were made by Risawoleska. I spoke to Burkhard of Risawoleska out getting the City of Cork Sawsea Cork ferries made and He added it to his range for me .So this might be the frist City of Cork made by Risawoleska.
John
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Some show cases in Lidl from 17.12.12 for these 1:1250 model boats.
john
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_37037.htm
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_37039.htm
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Hi All
here is Finnjet in 1977 livery that i got for Christmass.May I add the best livery she ever wore.
John
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I have to agree with you John. The original livery is my favourate too. I really need to add Finnjet to my collection.
Ali
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Hi Ali
She was a bit f a ledegened. The model on the left is made by Hansa and is less detailed the the other 2 classic ship models. The Hansa go for about £30 to £40 . The Silja line livery go for about £80 to a £100. I have not seen the Finn Lines livery from classic ships on Ebay so could not tell you a rough price. The classic ship models are top on quilaty.
John
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A few new ferries
Masker Anglia
Stena Carrier.
john
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I have my eye on a model coming up on ebay. I like Stena Carrier, I have seen one of these dressed up as Norsky. I could attempt to make one by converting a cast of my Pride of Flanders.
However by the time I have spent money on silicone and resin and done a load of work on it, I might as well wait until one turns up on ebay.
Ali
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Hi Ali
Yer I saw her last year on ebay and there was naff all bid on her so I thought i would take a punt and won.I am looking in to white printers(not much joy) but I would like to add STENA LINE on her side.
If you want to borrow her to take a cheeky mold off her you are welcome.
There are a few boats on ebay at the moment that i have my eye on. I still after A pride of Flanders to re paint in to Townsend Thorsean livery.
John
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I could still take a mould of my 'Flanders'. A 'Nordic Ferry' version of this model would be tasty. If I do borrow Stena Carrier I will put some transfers on it for you.
Ali
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Sounds good Ali
Problem with taking a mould from Carat/classic ships models is removing all that detail with out damageing it.
john
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Yes indeed. I would mould as high up the hull as I can without the silicone overspilling then I would have to build the rest.
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That would work.
Do you have to spray the model with something to stop the silicon from sticking to the model
john
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No. The silicone comes away quite easily.
Ali
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Oh, what I'd give for a full TTF fleet O0
Forde
Halladale
Free Enterprise I to VIII
Spirit, Pride and Herald
Dover and Calais
Viking I, II & III
The four Super Vikings
and on and on and on.......
Dream on Carl...........
Anyroad.....Ali.....I have the drawings from P&O for the Calais. Lines Plan, Superstructure sections and details.
As soon as can get them scanned, they will be on their way to you friend....
And many, many thanks for the transfers and photos and film......I will get the USB stick back to you when I post the disc with the Calais drawings if thats ok?
News soon on the FEV front...... ;)
Carl
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HI Carl
A TT fleet would be very nice.
I passed near your place on the way home today.
can not wait to hear on the FEV
john
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Hi Carl,
There'll be a Calais coming your way for troubles. That Should get you started on collecting the TT fleet.
Ali
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I've always said that Ali is a nice chap O0 O0 O0 :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
You are too generous Sir ok2
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Have you seen the ex pride of Calais in her new FEF livery as Ostend Spirit dear oh dear they got it wrong.
John
http://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/wordpress/mv-pride-of-calais-past-and-present/
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I have been following that thread since the beginning...
I know she isnt what we were used to, but to be honest I would rather see her in these colours than the colours being worn by the Pride of Dover at the moment!!!!
I am hoping to take a crossing on her in February when she starts - coming back with the Gardenia (former European Enterprise) before she is sent to the breakers...
Carl 8)
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Hi Carl
I am glad she has been saved shame her sister was not saved.I think if TEF had put the red up to the belting line like on Oleander it would have looked so much better.
I have just won Free Enterprise II and the one i have been after for ages the St Columba in BR Sealink livery :-))
John
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Is that a waterline FEII or the Airfix kit?
I have two of those kits - one partly made, the other completely mint. Plan is to take profiles of the hull to scale up for a future r/c kit.......but there are many others first %% %% .
Looking forward to seeing the new arrivals....
C 8)
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FE II is 1:1250 water line in green livery. I too have a Airfix kit made up.
I know what you meen to many ferries to model
john
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I was watching the FEII and St Columba but I spent my months quota on a Klabautermann Pride of Kent.
As for the 'Ostend Spirit' well at least it will give me an extra livery option. I can only assume they ran out of time before they could apply the funnel logo and the 'erries' (not a typo).
Ali
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Boy, am I glad I am not competing with you two over these waterline models!!!!!! {-) {-) {-) I would be broke!!
I do enjoy seeing them - and would love to see them in the flesh one day - but I will stick to buying those from Ali that interest me... O0 O0 O0
CT 8)
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Yer I put in a low bid on that Kent I have seen them a shows for £90 ish . Wanted that Pride of Bilbao but missed out thanks to this new Ebay lay out :(( . I am anoyed at my self as there was peter pan of TT line on ebay and I forgot to bid and it went for a low amount oh wel cant win them all.
I quess you are correct on TEF running out of time. As the last photo Shows her ariving at Ostend her new home port.
John
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Carl I will not pay silly money for them execpt the odd few ferries so far that is 3 boat. There is some guy in Germany who is in Dream land with his prices but that up to him.
John
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I can't keep up with John, I fear he may have to check into the Betty Ford clinic soon. I literally have to make the money I spend on these models.
Ali
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'evening Ali,
Managed to scan the P&O Calais drawings today.
I have dropped them onto the flashdrive you sent me the other day.
Will get it back to you in the post tomorrow....
Cheers
Carl
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Thanks Carl,
I'm looking forward to starting the build of the master. I've been putting it off while I complete a major order for a German dealer but once I have the plans I'll get started.
Ali
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Hi
Ali I cheched the Betty Ford clinic but they only do warships anamous O0 .
Carl on that Trip on TEF while you are down that way you could look at the old Hoverport next door at Pagwell bay sadly all that is left is the concreat pad.
John
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Got a nice box from Germany today with x4 ferries in there
1 Finnflow freight devision of Finnlines finncarrier who sailed the same route as Finnjet
2 Free Enterprise II being dwafed by the Pride of Hull ( shame fully still waiting for painting )
3 Tor Lines Tor Scandinavia . bit let by the quality when she is next to a classic ship version.
4 St Columba of BR Sealink. She was the work horse of the irish sea. The bule on her is wrong so might get a repaint one day and the BR double arrows are need on the funnel.
John
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Lovely ferries there John O0 but where's the 'nice box' you mentioned {-)
Dave
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hi dave
thankyou. the big box is now lie up as fire starting material. i will keep the small boxes they came in
john
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I love these waterline ships, there beauty is matched only by their price!
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Hi some of them can be very epensive but others can be very cheap. I had a far few bargines
John
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e-bay?
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Yes
Ebay uk and Ebay DE + shows,shops in Germany
john
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Here is my lastest ferry Chartres of SNCF Sealink next to the St Coloumba. Chartres is made from resin and has very sharp detail. The problem with both of these ferries is the blue is wrong. They will be repainted in BR blue from Howes model shop Rail match range. I am please with the fake sea.
John
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Hi John
Yes the fake sea adds a lot to the scene.
Dave
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Here's some shots from my miniature port.
Spirit of Britain undergoes trials at the No9 berth.
A busy day.
My newest arrivals.
Enjoy
Ali
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Hi Ali
I do like your link spans they do look the part. The new Pride of Kent looks great as does the other x3 ferries.
John
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Hi All
Silja Line and DFDS Queen of Scandinavia
John
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nice fantasia model you have their john.
this 166cm 1:100 scale model out of the sealink boardroom sold a few months ago for just a couple of hundred pounds, i rang the auction room a little to late <:( i was kicking myself.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/1zv63yf.jpg)
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WHAT only a few hunderd . How i wish I was there would have offered doubel. Some very very lucky persion got the sale of the century. It is a very nice model.
John
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it had some minor damage such as part of the bow door at the top had snapped off(see along the yellow line at the front) but easily fixed. it had a reserve of £200 but only got £120 top bid so the top bidder did a deal after the auction.
it was sold by charles miller ltd auction house on 31 october 2012 if you want to see the full write up on it.
i cant beleive it didnt fetch a 4 figure sum
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ONLY £120 ouch ouch. Well the auction company did not advertise that very well as there defently was no buyers there. Even with that damage she should have taken £1000+ if the people who are intrest in ferry new about it ,it would have gone for far more. If that went on ebay to day it would make a £1000 no problem
john
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yes £1000 minimum i'd say, there must have been a few made as i remember the fantasia 1:100 model in stena line livery at the ticket office in dover's eastern docks back in the 90's, it obviously wasnt this one.
i know the seafrance fiesta/cezanne model also sold a few months ago in auction but i aint got a clue what that fetched.
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Have to agree with you.
Well if these auctions places dont let people know they wont get top doller.
I would have to agree that several would have been made.
John
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i'm gonna keep my eye on charles miller auctions in the future, they have many great models for auction, none as cheap as this one but i may get lucky one day
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http://www.charlesmillerltd.com/selling.html (http://www.charlesmillerltd.com/selling.html)
With a handling charge of £150, I doubt the seller hardly made a bean!!!
Carl
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I sometimes get the feeling that Ebay is ripping me off but these guys are taking the mickey.
I have however just bookmarked their website....just in case.
Ali
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Thanks to Carl's kind donation of some G/A plans I have managed to make a start on the Pride of Calais.
There's not much to look at yet but now I've started it should come on quickly.
Ali
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:-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Looks more complete than the poor old Pride of Dover at the moment.......poor old girl is slowly disappearing in a cloud of cutting torches in Turkish breakers yard <:( .
I am drooling here Ali O0
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I have some annual leave next week so I hope to get plenty done. Plenty more updates to come.
Ali
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i've been on pride of dover and calais many times, loved the kids TV room as roadrunner was played non stop :-)
some chap on ebay is trying to sell some old clothing from townsend thoresen/P&O pride of dover, nothing good just a couple of headbands.
shame its being cut up as we speak :((
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A little update for you.
I'm really enjoying this build, I may make the windows a little smaller but not sure yet. I added the beading between the pains on glass on a couple of windows but I might just leave them open.
Ali
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HI Ali
it is looking real good
john
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I'm really starting to get somewhere with the Calais now.
Ali
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That looks great Ali - you look like you are enjoying yourself!!!
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Hi Ali
looking good
Question. the bridge wings are they going to be inclosed or open
john
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I will make two interchangeable bridges and add the type (enclosed or open wing) corresponding to the livery applied to each model.
Ali
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Hi Ali
sounds good.
I see you have found the face book group
john
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I sure have. I still replying to comments, questions and Emails coming in after posting a photo of the Calais a couple of hours ago.
Ali
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Oh we're not going to lose you to Facebook are we?
Dave
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Hi Dave
on F/B there is a 1:1250 page
john
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I ain't going nowhere Dave.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of networking though.
Ali
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I have just taken a gander on that page.............there are some committed collectors about :o
The Calais is looking splendid there Ali.....looking forward to seeing her progress....
Why not post up some shots of her over on the DFPF pages?
Carl 8)
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Livery options.
Ali
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Very Nice Ali
did you draw this ,as it is very good
john
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Yes John, I did them on good old Microsoft paint.
They part of the box lid artwork.
Ali
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they are very nice. Did not realise you could do that with M/S paint.
John
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It's a basic programme but you can do a lot with it and it's so easy to use.
Ali
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Only if you already have the skills and talent to draw like that in real life.
I consider myself a fair draughtsman, but couldn't do that in paint, in a month of Sunday's.
Using my other cad program's maybe, but MSpaint defeats me. :embarrassed:
Excellent work :-))
cheers
vnkiwi
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Hi Ali
just rembered there was P/O Stena Line livery. Must say I did not like it.
John
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The P&OStena livery will not be available....if I can help it.
What is your favourite livery?
Ali
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Are you surprised??? {-) {-)
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/prideofdoverfd_zpsfa6dc935.jpg)
Carl 8)
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Of the four above I like the Trans Europa Ferries
Hey, I've never claimed to have good taste :embarrassed:
Dave
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There was never a doubt in my mind Carl.
Is it me or is the shade of blue on the funnel lighter than the normal blue used?
Ali
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Hi Ali
have to agree with you on P/O Stena line. I never rated it. On the TT livery I beleave the bule was the bule used in P/O Normandy ferries , I may be wrong.
I would rate them as 1 TT 2 P/O full blue 3 TEF 4 P/O half blue
John
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Thanks John,
I'll have to look round the model shops for a suitable paint.
Ali
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I agree with you John - that pale blue is even more pale than the last TT blue before the change to P&O...
Maybe they had a few tins left over from when Townsends bought out Normandy Ferries {-) {-)
Carl 8)
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Hi Ali
Since the last post I have been looking at some photos. I made a wrong call. Yes the funnel colour did change from tt to P/O tt it went bluer. The Normandy Ferries blue is simalar but not the same sorry. I dug up some photos. have a look at them.
There is this web site see link . you up load a photo move the cross hairs over the area of paint that you are looking in to click and it brings up the mix. hit show matching paints and it shows the data base of the nearest paint. Problem is getting a good photo ie not to much light not to much shade . Have a look a Games work shop they might do a paint.
http://scalemodeldb.com/paint
john
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Same colour as the NF hull paint I think......
PS - I LOVE that shot of Dover in the final stages of construction. :-)) :kiss: :-)) :kiss:
She looks so fresh and new......a bit different than today though unfortunately <:( <:( <:(
John - where did you find these photos? Would it be too much of an imposition for you to email me a copy or two please??????
Especially the one of her under construction....... O0 O0
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Some from my books some from the net .
I will email them to you.
John
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I really do like that shot of her in dock, with the white TT on the funnel.
I think I would have a waterline model in those colours - and a 1:96 r/c version - even though she was never in service with it.....
Carl 8)
In fact, I think I would have two......Pride of Dover in those TT colours and Pride of Calais in the colours she was last in with P&O.
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Hi Carl
She did look good with the white TT livery on her funnel. I have not found out any thing on weather her sea trials had A po funnel or a TT funnel. I know she arrived in Dover with a P/O funnel/
john
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UPDATE:
I'm nearly ready to make the moulds, just got to make the six large lifeboats. I've the included a prototype lifeboat and open wing type bridge in these photos.
Hope you like.
Ali
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Excellent Ali :-)) :-)) :-))
A real work of art!!!!
You sure know how to dangle a carrot mate O0
Carl 8)
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Thanks Carl,
Of course it wouldn't be possible without your help.
Ali
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Lovely presentation Ali
Almost as good as Kylie's Agent Provocateur advert ...
Nah ... But it does look really nice O0 :}
Dave
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Would anyone know the correct shade of P&O blue? Has the shade changed at all over the years.
John,
You may be interested in this ebay item.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330882404587?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Ali
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Hi Ali
the POD POC looks real good. Question. The holes were the windows are. Are you going to fill thoes with filler then stamp the windows out?
. I will look in to the P/O blue for you, I take it you mean the first full hull livery?
John
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I'm going to leave the windows as they are on the master. This way of making windows seems to the established technique. I tried to add the uprights separating the three pains glass in each window but it made them all merge into one.
I think it looks better this way...at the moment.
I will experiment with a cast to see if I can reduce the size of the windows by doing as you said(filling and stamping)
I have umpteen pot of blue paint but the closest match I've found is Tamiya flat blue....I hate Tamiya paint.
Ali
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Not to be outdone by Carl's work I have my own progress to share.
You will notice that the windows are now windows rather than square holes.
My first attempt at moulding highlighted a problem with air getting trapped in these holes.
The second moulding session was a complete disaster but luckily the third time went well.
Ali
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Now that looks handsome does that :-)) :-))
And the windows seem very finely moulded - very tidy!!
Nice one Ali - you certainly have the knack with these.......
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hi ali
that does look very nice. you have done a very nice job
john
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Thanks guys,
I've been doing the decals today and they've come out really well.
I'm going to get one on Ebay on Friday to help show it off...Should be interesting.
Ali
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So was the third time just 'lucky' or did you do something different Ali?
Looks great anyway :-)
Dave
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I did try something different Dave.
Before pouring the silicone I used a bit and painted it onto the master, pushing the rubber into the detail.
It was quite a strong mix (a lot of catalyst) so it cured quickly rather than just dribbling off.
Needless to say I will be doing this again.
Ali
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I'm quite happy with how these have turned out.
Ali
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EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Carl,
Your boat will be in the post when you get back from your trip.
ali
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:-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
So many things to look forward to..............
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:-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
So many things to look forward to..............
Like some sexy models on your website Carl %) O0
Lovely that is Ali.
Dave
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Hi guys
Too far for me but I have just seen advertised in a mag
Mini Ship (1/1200. - 1250 scale) Show May 12th 10:30am
Explosion Museum, Gosport PO12 4LE
Waterline Ship Enthusiasts (Dave 02392 352383)
[email protected]
Dave
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I might go along to that, it's years since I last visited the museum too.
Colin
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There's another one at the Parish Leisure Centre in Portishead, near Bristol this Saturday.
Kicks off at 10am.
I shall be paying a visit......... :-))
Carl 8)
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This week I've mostly been making Norland to add to the collection.
Ali
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A bit more image manipulation and you're back in 82.
Ali
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A bit more image manipulation and you're back in 82.
I'm not sure i ever left it, I was looking through HMS Conqueror's periscopes just the other day. They are now mounted in the RN Submarine Museum.
Colin
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Went to the mine ships show to day. Very nice show got a few ferries and had a nice chat which Colin Bishop from here on the mayhem forum.
John
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The latest build to join the fleet.
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Hi Ali
Very well presented as always. :-))
Dave