Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: ben hall on March 30, 2011, 03:30:42 pm
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has an rc boat ever croosed the solent if so how quickly and what boat did he use is there a website about it
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I heard a Class D O.M.R.A Boat once did. Sorry no detail's {:-{ Iam sure someone on here will enlighten you %)
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has an rc boat ever croosed the solent if so how quickly and what boat did he use is there a website about it
Used to be done a fair bit in the 1960s - http://tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=97863&sid=6167 gives an indication, as does http://www.scale-models.co.uk/general-boat-chat/6452-adamcraft.html ...
This site gives a couple of pages from a magazine of the time describing racing across the Solent http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294160
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...and the English Channel (ED radio and boat) 50s or 60s maybe, cant remember ? A model plane has gone round the coast of the Isle of Wight too. You planning something Crafty ? %)
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well me an a club member where thinking of doing it as i can provide a boat and all we need is a good seaworthy model and a day around July and we will hopefully do it the only problem is neither of us have a boat that can do it my only boat thats sea worthy the battery wouldn't last and his battery powered boat is to small he has a galleon which has a motor but it would be to slow so i was wondering what sort of boat we need and if some ones done it see if we can beat there time
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I would think a large yacht, 6mtr. or A class would do the job nicely.
Alan
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You will want a big boat - 40" or more, and probably a 'deep-V' hull for the rough water.
I/C power, with a large tank, at least two pints...
and tie everything down well...
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You will want a big boat - 40" or more, and probably a 'deep-V' hull for the rough water.
I/C power, with a large tank, at least two pints...
and tie everything down well...
A chase boat , Let the coastguard know , Petrol model , Calm (Ish) water. Aint going to be cheap {:-{
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chase boat will need five gallons of fuel to make a crossing , plus the owners time . you will need permission from both the harbour master and the ministry police .
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Yet More red tape >>:-(
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Or you can just sneak over & hope for the best %)
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with that many large ships negotiating the chanel its better to be safe than swimming home ! every vessel entering or leaving the harbour is required to request clearence from the harbour master via ship to shore radio . the rules are there for everybodies welfare .
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I think it would depend on where you are planning to cross the Solent. There is not much big shipping to the west of Cowes and Southampton water and it narrows down a bit there as well to only about 3000M. If you want the shortest distance then it is Hurst narrows where it is only 1200M but you would have to go at slack water as the tide through there is very strong. It would probably be a good idea to talk to the Harbour master and the Coast Guard and keep away from the main shipping channels at the eastern end.
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I have a copy of Harvey Adams' book on model boat construction where he details his experiences with sea-going R/C craft around Lymington and Chichester. I can post a scan of the relevant pages if you wish, but in general he documents trips of 15-30 miles with a chase boat, at about 10-15 mph, using 40" boats with 5-10cc motors. This is in the period 1949-1952, so the R/C is fairly simple...
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If we do it it will be clarence parade to ryde marina area the sensible thing would be to go at low tide as there is less water but there's the sand bank so doing it so you arrive at iow with enough water over the sand bank for a boat we mite use a world war two corrvette which should be man enough to do it or girl enough but that's a separate thing a five horse power motor on a rids glassfiber tender it can take three four people so waheights not a issue
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Find a model that will take having its decks awash. Some will some won't.
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...and the English Channel (ED radio and boat) 50s or 60s maybe, cant remember ? A model plane has gone round the coast of the Isle of Wight too. You planning something Crafty ? %)
I think arrow 5 is right , Colonel Tapplin (of the tapplin twin fame)certainly crossed the channel in 1952 with a radio controlled model airplane, it was called the Radio queen,it had ED radio gear and an ED engine this is quiet a well know fact in the areomodelling world, and I'm sure he did the same with a RC boat.
By the way the Tapplin twin was a twin cylinder diesel enginein marine and areo versions , very collectible , they crop up on ebay a couple of times a year , I also had a radio queen -great flyer's!
Regs Paul.
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I had a Taplin Twin in a cabin cruiser.
They were based on 2 ED Hunter cylinders.
Really difficult to tune properly and I changed it for a Miles Special 5cc which gave more speed and reliability.
I am sure there was an ED powered and radioed channel crossing. They made quite a bit of it in their advertising.
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I Googled the event and got this in www.modelenginenews.org/cardfile/ed_story.html Good reading for ED fans and a nice piece of nostalgia for us oldies. Ah, the aroma of ether and burnt castor oil. O0
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Hi all this is from the book
THE GUINNESS BOOK of MOTORBOATING Facts and Feats
The first and only model powerboat to make a successful radio-controlled crossing of the English channel was Miss E.D. L O A 5ft xb2ft sponsored by Electronic Developments and controlled by George Honnest Redlic .
One 6 September 1951, this boat travelled from Dover to Cap Gris Nez (near Calais)accompanied by a 20ft cabin cruiser ,on a 32-35 mile s- shaped course from harbour to harbour. In 9 hr 9 mins at a average speed of just under 4 mph
aye
john
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Surprised no-one went here yesterday,
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=47166
On another note,
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=2922
The dates are shown in the RHS box.
Regards Ian.
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I never realised that Miss ED went so slowly - I suppose that they needed a small motor and a big fuel tank to get the range for the crossing...
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Hmm thats got me thinkin lol %% i could do portsmouth to ryde or even go across to cows :-) got a inboard rib i can use ( dads ) maybe a spearfish 2 woudnt mind tryin it, might be fun :-) will keep an eye on this thread n see what happens
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This ex Col Taplin boat, which I aquired about 13 years ago, is said to have crossed Lake Geneva in
Switzerland. I have not been able to confirm this but was informed by Vic Smeed that it could have been
possible, as this was the sort of thing that Col Taplin was interested in.
Not sure what the engine is but it is about 7cc. The carb is the standard Taplin unit and looks small compared
with the size of the engine. Vic Smeed thought it might be a Basil Miles special. Again, not sure. The bore
and stroke, crankcase width etc compare closely with the big 15cc twin. The crudely soldered patch on the
cylinder covers a machined port which indicates that it was built using some available parts.
Any ideas anyone. ( Hope the pics appear ok. Might have to look at Martin's "Do it this way" instructions.
(http://s3.postimage.org/1jl3iq0uc/TAPLIN_BOAT_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1jl3iq0uc/)
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(http://s3.postimage.org/1jliek5ac/TAPLIN_BOAT_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1jliek5ac/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/1jm3wjnpg/TAPLIN_BOAT_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1jm3wjnpg/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/1jm8v5p6s/TAPLIN_BOAT_016.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1jm8v5p6s/)
(http://s3.postimage.org/1jmxo7wlg/TAPLIN_BOAT_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1jmxo7wlg/)
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Forgot to say that the engine and the original radio gear etc has now been removed from the boat
and packed away. The boat is now fitted with a Smiths fan motor and was last used as a straight
runner. Hi, Steamboatphil.
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Challenges like this sort of crossing are always interesting, good luck to who ever try's it.
Later this year in July some members of BMPRS are going to be attempting a Channel crossing. With electric on the outward crossing then I.C. on the way back.
Cheers
David
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...and of course we have some Mayhemers attempting the length of Loch Ness this year, in aid of the RLNI.
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to those of you interested in crossing from portsmouth to isle of wight with deep vee type vessels , ive a contact with the powerboat club thats organising a full sized event in the summer , maybe we could make a crossing to coincide with that event ?
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...and of course we have some Mayhemers attempting the length of Loch Ness this year, in aid of the RLNI.
and it takes a lot more planning than just a whim and a prayer, duncan, i can tell you all.
neil.
ps, did you get the email the other night, matey
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Challenges like this sort of crossing are always interesting, good luck to who ever try's it.
Later this year in July some members of BMPRS are going to be attempting a Channel crossing. With electric on the outward crossing then I.C. on the way back.
Cheers
David
Lets see if you can beat the Record for a Solo Swim England To France 6 hours 57 minutes and 50 seconds..
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and it takes a lot more planning than just a whim and a prayer, duncan, i can tell you all.
neil.
ps, did you get the email the other night, matey
Yep got it Neil , I must contact a few other maties to see what we can do. At least you wont have the traffic of the Solent, just the odd tourist boat and of course our resident milch cow...oh I forgot , you have her image already.
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hi all
Got me thinking - with today's technology of GPS + computers + cameras etc - has anyone built a model boat where you can programme a course into the system; then the model to steer that course and if the model is blown off course it corrects itself & soforth. Plus it is totally under its own command, where we only have input in case of an emergency via radio control. This surely would be the next step because crossing the channel & other places have already been achieved using radio control. Surely the next step is to achieve this using a model controlled by GPS.
Come on PMK - the wom and others - get the thinking caps on :-)
See if Mayhem can be the first to assemble the electronics - I will build the hull if needs be :-)
aye
john
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as oposed to has a model crossed the solent , IS ANYBODY INTERESTED in making a crossing ?
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i would be
n are you on about class 3 2lt?
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John asks a question on the future of electronics. We already have the militrey using drones. so the technology is avalible now. Sadly the electronics are beyond my skills. Ive no doubt the chinese will market
something sooner or later at an affordable price. John.
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The model aircraft community do have the technology. Some of the aircraft fit inside a one foot square box others, bigger, have range of 15 or 20 miles. The balloon guys are the tops with camera flights to over 90,000 ft showing earth`s curvature and black sky of space. Parachute descent tracked to landing.
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...and of course we have some Mayhemers attempting the length of Loch Ness this year, in aid of the RLNI.
what is the date of the lochness thing
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offshore ive today been in contact with the organising commitee from the cowes classic , with an idea of coinciding a crossing finishing in cowes when all of the full sized power boats who will be there in august ! interested parties please contact me . jon
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i duno if i my mums helpin run that event or not, will ask her when i see her later
but yeah id be upfor it, i wouldnt mind doing it with the 1.4m class one boat lol but probs best to use something safer :o wonderin if my spearfish 2 would make the distance hmm
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what is the date of the lochness thing
July 2nd it says on the poster in post #28 above and on every post on it`s own dedicated thread. %% You must have noticed ? {:-{?
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i was thinking of my huntsman 31 , as its got enough room to fit a 12v gel in the space between the motors ! . there will be a floatilla of faireys leaving gunwharf quays on the sat morning .ill see what we could arrange ? jon
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sounds a plan :-)) not sure if the 12v would make it though? thats a rather long wayon a single batt
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as oposed to has a model crossed the solent , IS ANYBODY INTERESTED in making a crossing ?
actual any one is welcome if they help in the prganizing and they bring a boat the idea mite of changed to taking a sit in battle ship along the beach but not to iow but would still like to do cross solent but maby not this summer we will see if the other member has built the corvette we are thinking about using
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offshore ive today been in contact with the organising commitee from the cowes classic , with an idea of coinciding a crossing finishing in cowes when all of the full sized power boats who will be there in august ! interested parties please contact me . jon
if you are planing on making your own model boat crossing its kinda steeling my thunder
plus i have my hover pass wich works and weekends so if we get to the other side and something goes wrong i can run back on hover and come back and forth
again any one intrested contact me thinking about it the bigger the numbers the safest it will be and if its big enough we could do it for a charity this could turn into a big thing if enough people are intrested but theres the problem mentioned it needs a lot of planing but pm me if intrested
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actual any one is welcome if they help in the prganizing and they bring a boat the idea mite of changed to taking a sit in battle ship along the beach but not to iow but would still like to do cross solent but maby not this summer we will see if the other member has built the corvette we are thinking about using
im sorry im gettin lost, do you want to sit in a model boat?
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i think kk would like to make the crossing in a manned battleship , although haveing spoken to a member of the local display team that owns them they arent keen on this idea !
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i think kk would like to make the crossing in a manned battleship , although haveing spoken to a member of the local display team that owns them they arent keen on this idea !
No, it would be a death trap!
Colin
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I think the Portsmouth Display Team boats are more "pond models" than capable of off-shore passages. However some manned models are moderately seaworthy. I think the post on the other thread may open a few eyes as to just what is required of a boater when going to sea. Weather tides, permissions,shipping lanes, other vessels, curious Naval helicopters etc, it is not a matter of putting your model in the water and heading out {-).
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triumphjon i have spoken to the owner recently and it is in his mind they have just got a bit more work to do on them first but it could work and its not going across but along the seafront
as to them not being suitable RC boats there is a big lot of life boats and some ginourmes SEA worthy corvettes this was just an idea and needs a lot of planing and prep and i was just wondering if it had been done before as this could help in planing
the problems about going to the sub museum is you have navy ships merchant ships iow ferry's, fast cat and big ferry
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I think the Portsmouth Display Team boats are more "pond models" than capable of off-shore passages. However some manned models are moderately seaworthy. I think the post on the other thread may open a few eyes as to just what is required of a boater when going to sea. Weather tides, permissions,shipping lanes, other vessels, curious Naval helicopters etc, it is not a matter of putting your model in the water and heading out {-).
'Pond Boats' If you were not so right I would be offended :-))
We have sailed on the upper reaches of the Thames, outside Beale Park, and we have pootled about in Portsmouth Dockyards No3 Basin. However, drowning in the Solent is not my idea of a hobby O0
Not forgetting a four mile trip up and back down Chichester Canal.
I have cycled the potential trip along Southsea seafront, but there are many obstacles ( including actual anti-invasion defences!) to my plan. So, for the time being it can stay as just a plan.
Good luck with any Solent crossing :-))
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Yes canals are good, the ability to scramble ashore in a couple of steps :-)), a pub every few miles. Some places can be "bandit country" with louts throwing beer cans etc.
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( including actual anti-invasion defences!)
I had to quote that {-)
If you would like todo this this at some point, i will come out and be your safety boat if you would like
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Do what ? {:-{ Cowes, the Solent ? I fancy The English Channel on a fine day, then the Canal du Midi, then the Med, then.. then.. then %% such are dreams made of. Now if the Beeb needed ANOTHER canal trip lets take a model boat through the Venice, Corinth, Suez, Panama Canals..... :}
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Ah yes! The Corinth Canal with that wonderful bridge which lies at the bottom of the canal while ships pass and is then raised into position with a guy employed to sweep the fish back into the water!
Colin
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if you are planing on making your own model boat crossing its kinda steeling my thunder
plus i have my hover pass wich works and weekends so if we get to the other side and something goes wrong i can run back on hover and come back and forth
again any one intrested contact me thinking about it the bigger the numbers the safest it will be and if its big enough we could do it for a charity this could turn into a big thing if enough people are intrested but theres the problem mentioned it needs a lot of planing but pm me if intrested
This model would make the crossing take a look http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27895.0
regards
Alan
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not quite sure how looking into making a crossing to tie in with an event that is happening on the island could be stealing kks thunder ? as he has now admitted that as oposed to crossing the solent hed like to try a run along portsmouth sea front ! in my book operating along the shoreline is lots different to crossing from one island to another !
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I have been watching these two posts with interest, and have come to the conclusion that you guys need a few pointers on the collection of monies from the general public.
haveing been secretary of Fleetwood's RNLI fund raising committee for a couple of years, some years ago it would seem to me that you might need some info on Protocol.
IF COLLECTING FOR THE RNLI you will firstly need to notify them of that collection or sponsored event.
They as a charity have to protect themselves legally in every way possible to prevent someone claiming against themselves in the event of an accident to the third person whilst collecting in their name, and as such you ALL have to sign indemnity clauses to state that you will not and cannot make such claims for property or injury INCLUDING death whilst doing so!.
You will NOT be allowed to collect in public places and this is against the law of the land should you try......this is because all charities have to gain liscences to collect in a certain area, and usually councils will only allow ONE liscence per area per year...........just to give all charities an equal chance...there is no exeption, and should you be found collecting in public places, those councils could/will prosecute for begging and vagrancy.
You are only allowed to collect in private places such as inside shops( if they will allow)pubs , clubs and other private places which can be restricting depending on where you wish to do the event.
You first have to go via the RNLI headquarters in Poole who will emailyou a form to fill in with the indemnity clause and doo's and don't of the event and collecting, and then they will notify the regional office who will contact you with regards to official sponsor forms....you can't use your own on this matter, and then will ask if you want the help of the local RNLI, the RNLI womens Guild of the area and if they can supply you with official stickers and such.
IT ALL TAKES TIME I started organising this Loch Ness do last September for the officialdome of it.........so if you ARE SERIOUSLY PLANNING such an event, then I suggest that you make good formativwe plans very soon and then submit to the RNLI...they won't grant you a liscence for official collecting on their behalf, if your trip isn't planned well with safety aspects in place AND if there is a risk to life and craft.
Just thought you might want to know about the pitfalls of collecting for the RNLI.
After all their job iss to save lives, NOT to put lives in dangeron their behalf.
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thank you for your pointers , could be very useful . jon
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I have to agree with Triumphjon, thanks for information. As later this year I hope to do an event and at the same time raise some money for the RNLI.
Thanks again
David
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time to make this post clear
hi have found there is intrest i am wanting to plan a crossing in july to september i have contacts in the navy and RNLI and other sources
ondepending on how many people want to do it i dont see the nedd to contact harbour master or qhm it will go frome portsmouth to priory bay or ryde marina wich is the shortest width i shall do it leaving portsmouth as the tide goas out as we are roughly in the middle it will be slack watter if it is lunch when we get there ondepending what time people are willing to get up then we could take a bbq to priory bay wich is a loverly sandy beech and go back to portsmouth as the tide comes in i will explane my logic
in the morning we will time it so the tide is going out the tide goes out to sea so it will help us when we are on the way there and on the way back the tide will come in helping on are way back to portsmouth and at slack watter we will have lunch on a sunny sandy beech with kids and people wich we can go and say what we have already done at that we are going back and collect more money for RNLI
please share your views
kk
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not quite sure how looking into making a crossing to tie in with an event that is happening on the island could be stealing kks thunder ? as he has now admitted that as oposed to crossing the solent hed like to try a run along portsmouth sea front ! in my book operating along the shoreline is lots different to crossing from one island to another !
my idear with this is getting a smaller group or just me and some one else a long the sea front or acroos the estney harbour because jumping straght in and planing this could be a bit stupid with no experiance i will do this when the weather looks good or is fore casted good and this will give me a scope of what is envolved on a bigger scale crossing anyone is welcome for htis smaller event wich will lead to the big one if you are not sure how your model will perform take it along the seafront or more likely in estny harbour where as a sailer i know on a nice day it is almost lake flat and all you hve to look out for is a couple of dingheys i will get a good estimated date for this or if some one has a date in minde please say
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time to make this post clear
hi have found there is intrest i am wanting to plan a crossing in july to september i have contacts in the navy and RNLI and other sources
ondepending on how many people want to do it i dont see the nedd to contact harbour master or qhm it will go frome portsmouth to priory bay or ryde marina wich is the shortest width i shall do it leaving portsmouth as the tide goas out as we are roughly in the middle it will be slack watter if it is lunch when we get there ondepending what time people are willing to get up then we could take a bbq to priory bay wich is a loverly sandy beech and go back to portsmouth as the tide comes in i will explane my logic
in the morning we will time it so the tide is going out the tide goes out to sea so it will help us when we are on the way there and on the way back the tide will come in helping on are way back to portsmouth and at slack watter we will have lunch on a sunny sandy beech with kids and people wich we can go and say what we have already done at that we are going back and collect more money for RNLI
please share your views
kk
Look KK,
I don't know you, but judging from your post you don't seem to be very old. I would advise you to take note of all of the advice that has been offered to you on this thread because it is a really dangerous thing that you are planning to do. I'm not saying that it can't be done just that if you are seriously considering doing it then it has to be thought through and planned properly.
We all appreciate the good work that is done by the R.N.L.I. but if you go ahead with this crossing as you have described you'll probably end up using their services instead of raising money to help them.
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Hi Ben - I have to agree with the advice you have been given - you don't want to end up as another statistic on the RNLI database.
It takes more organisation than you would think to do one of these events and with the dreaded 'elf and safety brigade they would
probably put the block on you. I know those waters a little having done three sailing courses including my Yachtmasters in that area
and I still would consider myself a novice in the Solent.
I do not want to dmpen your enthusiasm but some serious research will have to be done before you attempt this idea AND you
need the proper type of boat for you to escort your model - Forget dinghies they are not big enough or stable enough
Sorry Ben its back to the drawing board and become a Man with a Plan.
Geoff
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Also, the tide doesn't go out or in within the Solent it goes roughly 'along'. So if you were heading for Ryde Marina you would actually be carried along the coast for several miles in either direction with nowhere to land. Also Ryde Marina completely dries out at low water and is too shallow for even a small boat for some time either side of it
The others are quite right, you need a lot more knowledge and practical experience before even thinking of attempting something like this.
The sea can be a dangerous place at anytime but the Solent has more hazards than most areas as it is the nautical equivalent of the M1. You wouldn't try skateboarding across a motorway would you?
Colin
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Colin, I didn't want to confuse Ben even more by mentioning the very strange tides in the Solent - I always hated
having to work out the tidal heights and directions for that area during theory lessons
Geoff
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Geoff,
Yes, Ben seems to think that the tide moves in a north/south direction as the water comes up and down the beach which gives that impression. Actually Ben, this is just an effect of the water filling and emptying the Solent and it actually moves in a generally east/west direction although there are lots of local complicated effects caused by the various rivers and Southampton Water. At Eastney, you are very close to the entrance to Langstone Harbour, I was there last Saturday watching from the shore and the ebbing tide must have been a good 5 knots or so at the entrance.
If you time it right you can make good use of the tides. I used to pick up the first of the ebb off Chichester Harbour and ride it all the way down to Yarmouth. Going past Cowes, the speed over the ground was almost double the boat speed through the water, just like beiing on a magic carpet!
Colin
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Hi Ben - I have to agree with the advice you have been given - you don't want to end up as another statistic on the RNLI database.
It takes more organisation than you would think to do one of these events and with the dreaded 'elf and safety brigade they would
probably put the block on you. I know those waters a little having done three sailing courses including my Yachtmasters in that area
and I still would consider myself a novice in the Solent.
I do not want to dmpen your enthusiasm but some serious research will have to be done before you attempt this idea AND you
need the proper type of boat for you to escort your model - Forget dinghies they are not big enough or stable enough
Sorry Ben its back to the drawing board and become a Man with a Plan.
Geoff
i never said anything about using a sailing digney all the boats i have suggested are glassfiber gel coat finish and very very very stable due to there width basically what your saying is because i am young i cant plan this i do relise the way the tides go but what i mean is the funnel out of estney harbour if you went in wastle the tide was going out you would have no chance with a model i also have a lot of stats on my side wich mite prove to you that i am not jumping into it i have level four and master sailing i have level 4 and mastery off shore power boats and did yhats master through sea cadets
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The sea can be a dangerous place at anytime but the Solent has more hazards than most areas as it is the nautical equivalent of the M1. You wouldn't try skateboarding across a motorway would you?
Colin
eeeerrrrrrhhh!!!!?????.........perhaps he's daft enough to try, Colin.........kids of that age think they are invincible.
Just remember KK that it costs the RNLI a minimum of £5000.00p for every SINGLE launch, and that doesn't count the cost of launching a SAR helicopter to search for your DEAD BODY???
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KK
As was pointed out, you have been given a lot of very good advice. The advice was given to aid you, not to put you down.
It would be foolhardy to ignore this advice.
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Also no offence intended but would officials listen to anyone under 18 ?.
I would love to see Arrows Carrier cross the channel.. :-))
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Tbf i find this random ( as have been stated )
Lanstone habour on a big spring is a 6/7 knot tide :-)) Along the seafront you can reach a good 4 knot tide %)
Dont forget just because people have paperwork you can still mess it all up, as i found when i worked for a sailing school and charter comp. Daily i asked what kelogs box they won there yacht masters from...
I have offered a real safey boat that has been dismissed so good luck with it %%
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thank you very much as mentiond i have the paper work to say i have done this but in hinde site it isnt what you have done it is how much experiance you have doing it it is NOT a task that can be taken lightly i know will not try and do anything with this but maby when im a lot older like you guys (no offence ment :-)) ) then i might try it as i also hope that if some one else thinks about doing this they will come accrsoss myne and jhones posts to help them i am sure in the right hands this could work one thing my dad taught me since before i was born (my mum still went out on the boat when i was in her tummey) that if you you respect the sea and all its power then the sea will respect you, if you think that getting on contact with people and posting on mayhem like i did, and still going a head with it you are the living dead
KK
ps: i hope i got this message across the way i ment it to and that it did not offend any one KK
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well spoken krafykid :-)) never a truer word spoken :-)
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Just read a report in Model Maker October 1964, On July 1st. Phillip Connolly and Dave Lemin, both using Swordsmans powered by Merco 35s crossed the Solent using Orbit radio and a coctail of servos. Later, August 1st. Sqdn Ldr John Crampton using a Taplin Twin powered Sea Commander crossed in 25mins using 5oz of fuel. The radio in this case was an REP Sextone that he had removed from a model seaplane having just flown it across the solent.
Regards Ian
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thats intresting
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Just read a report in Model Maker October 1964, On July 1st. Phillip Connolly and Dave Lemin, both using Swordsmans powered by Merco 35s crossed the Solent.....
I commented earlier that this "used to be done a fair bit in the 1960s". I remember hearing about two or three crossings at that time. But it now sounds as if there was a regular ferry service... :-)) :-))
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was the shiping lane as busy back then though ;)
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was the shiping lane as busy back then though ;)
Probably more so than now..
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Smaller ships carryin cargo in holds over containers on todays ships
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so it would have been easyer back then than in the present day still it has been nice wether but have stuck to potering around on the lake the only time i put a boat in the sea was langston harbour the slipway opesit a club i am a member of the eca and a bit further down than southsea marina but it was a lowish tide and it got stuck on sea weed and the tide went out and it was on some mud wich when i stepped around sunk reely quickly unlike the berth on the pontoon for wayward wich every year i have to walk about to check for sharp shinkle that could brake the gelcoat on the boattom of the boat we were staying on the boat infront of were it had got stuck, i had launced it frome the bathing plat form and we waited over night with on person taking it in turn with another person incase it came lose in three in the morning my mum woke me up to say the model was sinking so i had to swim in the freezing sea to untagle it without touching the sea bed
bad bad days <:( <:( <:( %% %% %% %%
true story though
kk
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No it woulda been worse back then {-) smaller ships means more ships to meet demand
Plus 40 years back? think of the rc gear, over todays hi tec stuff :-)) Plus all the pirates %)
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the smaller the ship the less the turning circle no plus i would rather be run over by a smaller ship because it is less time under the boat than one thats twice as long
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so it would have been easyer back then than in the present day.....
Factors making it easier in the 1960s:
Generally more maneuverable smaller size other shipping
Probably better skilled local sailors
Less rules and regulations
Less crowded and controlled shores...
Factors making it harder in the 1960s:
Less reliable radio control and motors
No high-tech model features or materials
Fewer communications facilities for yourself or authorities
Worse weather and shipping movement prediction
Fewer safety facilities....
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plus i would rather be run over by a smaller ship because it is less time under the boat than one thats twice as long
KK when yer run over by a "boat" whether its a diddy one or a bit bigger.....yer DEAD.......so it don't matter much how long the thing is..........ya wouldn't know!!! until that is.....yer mates saw ya poppin' out the other end, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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oh yhea i forgot about the propeler if the boats smaller you would die quicker wich is better beacause you get to the propeler before you would on a long ship my first post on this matter would be right in the old days when it was all sail and no props
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the smaller the ship the less the turning circle no plus i would rather be run over by a smaller ship because it is less time under the boat than one thats twice as long
what are you on about lol {-) need i say more
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Factors making it easier in the 1960s:
Generally more maneuverable smaller size other shipping
No! %)
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No! %)
Um? I thought that you said that the 1960s would have "Smaller ships carryin cargo in holds.." Are you saying that these are less maneuverable than big container ships?
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Don't forget the paddle steamers, they could dice you up very nicely indeed!
Colin
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WoW you lot on here at times
by smaller i mean 150/200m no bow thrusters, gear boxs that work willy nilly ( might go astern if your really lucky ) no bulbus bows, over filled cargo holds, top heavy crains that act worse than sails, try gettin that up into southampton or portsmouth with a tide and wind, and 1960 single/double screw old tugs = happy days :-))
its alot easyer now adays, and still things go wronge :-)
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Don't forget the paddle steamers, they could dice you up very nicely indeed!
Colin
We still bring in the waverly, thats a funny thing to work with ( gets a shift on )
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We still bring in the waverly, thats a funny thing to work with ( gets a shift on )
Yes, no rudder control at all until she is well under way which is why the bow has to be pushed round when getting her to point towards the harbour entrance without ramming the Gosport Ferry pontoon.
Colin
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I shes good until about 6 knots, then its rather slow to respond, though she did have a good scotish skiper last year
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shes often wintered in bristol docks , not many paddelers left in working order ?
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Not a great deal about, Shes normaly always full. But if im right in thinkin she has nearly 30 crew?
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Don't forget the paddle steamers, they could dice you up very nicely indeed!
Colin
he'd end up being a split personality, colin, boom boom. {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Before the war (and afterwards I think), paddle steamers on excursion trips to Lulworth Cove in Dorset used to land their passengers by nudging ashore to the beach, bows in, and then lowering a gangplank from just ahead of the paddle boxes to the shore which made for a rather precarious disembarkation. One of my Uncles, then a boy, managed to fall off the gangplank and was drawn into the slowly turning paddle wheel which gave him a very nasty gash on the head. He carried the scar for the rest of his life!
Colin
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Wow! How nice the boats are! Thanks . %%
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go here http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35519.new#new (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35519.new#new) for better plan