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Title: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on May 31, 2011, 04:12:15 pm
Keel, Dead Wood, & Stem Scale 2” - 1ft  Length 50.5” Beam 15”

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on May 31, 2011, 06:14:38 pm
Great  :-)),,,,,,,cant went to  the nex photos show up..........

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on May 31, 2011, 06:41:35 pm
Looks great already!
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on May 31, 2011, 08:34:18 pm
Good evening!
A very neat and good start. Good wood quality.
 :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on May 31, 2011, 09:24:30 pm
The timber is Sapele a species of African mahogany, I am fortunate to have contacts in double glazing companies, they give me their discarded mahogany window frames when they replace with UPVC
otherwise they would end up in a skip.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 04, 2011, 05:39:46 pm
Transom, Hog, Apron & Shaft Log
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on June 05, 2011, 07:01:40 am
  :-)) :-)) :-))   Thanks...............
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: south steyne on June 05, 2011, 09:50:37 am
Hi I have also made a start on this beautiful model, well I have the keel timber and your pics have given me a real boost to my confidence and just looking at the pics I am sure yours will turn out great.
Just wondering what size prop you will use as my plans are to build a model similar size to yours and seems to indicate around 80mm.
Keep up the great work and please more pics would be really appreciated.
Cheers to all
John
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 05, 2011, 10:54:56 am
Hi John,

I have managed to get 4” dia 3 bladed cast prop which I will cut down to 3” balance & sharpen in order to get nearer to the suggested pitch of 8”.

I would suggest that you loft the lines at model size as some of the half breath measurements for the moulds are incorrect.

Good luck with build, I look forward to seeing some pictures of your build, I will be posting pictures of each stage of mine.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: pipercub1772 on June 05, 2011, 02:14:38 pm
hi could you tell us were you got the plans from, its looking a great build and given me inspiration to build or at least attempt one myself keep the pictures coming they look great ,regards Allan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 05, 2011, 03:55:15 pm
Hi Allan, I got the plans from ebay, copied from Model Boat magazine dated February 1972, I don't know when you intend to start building, if you cannot find a set I can send you mine when I have finished with them.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 05, 2011, 04:07:06 pm
Engine position.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: pipercub1772 on June 05, 2011, 04:40:29 pm
Mick, thats very kind of you i will not be starting for a couple of months and i could get it copied and posted back to you ,i have a hemmens max 2 engine and boiler that i have waiting to put  to use and that looks a great project for the winter, is it clinker built hull  or carvell cant wait for more pictures,  kind regards Allan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 05, 2011, 07:30:29 pm
Allan, its a clinker built hull.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kno3 on June 05, 2011, 09:29:47 pm
I really like the massive wood construction of the keel and other parts!
How long is the boat going to be?
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 05, 2011, 10:08:27 pm
I really like the massive wood construction of the keel and other parts!
How long is the boat going to be?

kno, Scale is 2" to 1 foot, hull is 50.5 inches long with 15" beam, the keel and stem are 1" sided tapered which would be 6"X 6" on a 25ft hull.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 06, 2011, 06:57:38 pm
Hull Moulds
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: pipercub1772 on June 06, 2011, 08:20:41 pm
this is a great build project for anyone to follow keep them pictures coming, now i think the difficult bit the planking regards Allan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on June 06, 2011, 08:51:18 pm
 :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 06, 2011, 09:53:39 pm
Thanks Bernhard.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 07, 2011, 11:19:33 am
Sheerline

A valid comment has been raised about the tumblehole on the transom normally this would start about two thirds from the bow, because of the steep sheerline of Wide A Wake it only starts from station 4, 10” from the stern where the sheerline and parallel line from the keel merge.

I have noticed that most of those built so far have no tumblehome on the Transom, I have followed the plans as I think this looks better.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on June 07, 2011, 07:33:46 pm
Hi Mick,

You're right; with the sheerstrake battened out it looks far more balanced.

Are you battening out for the all planks?

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 07, 2011, 08:35:22 pm
Hi Greg,

I will not be battening out all the planks, I am happy with the lines of the hull now the half breaths of the moulds have been corrected, I did consider 14 planks per side but have decided to keep to the original 12

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: logoman on June 07, 2011, 10:21:11 pm
What a great build log, it's like watching the Carpenter.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: barryfoote on June 08, 2011, 07:59:26 am
That is beautiful wood working. A real pleasure to see it. Thanks.. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Circlip on June 08, 2011, 11:47:07 am
Amazing what some can do with skip fodder. Eldest who is also into recycling Mahogany, was stopped from "rescuing" hundreds of feet of handrail from a multi story Govt. building recently by the Elfins. Couldn't take them out before the demolition men in case they fell down the stairwells and couldn't take them out before the swinging ball hit in case he fell down the stairwells.

   Crush and burn

  Nice build again Mick.

  Regards Ian.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 08, 2011, 12:11:04 pm
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 08, 2011, 08:23:47 pm
Interesting quote from Model Boats January 1972;

Cost to build Wide A Wake including Stuart Double Ten
The Hull complete                £9
Double Ten Engine               £12
Boiler & Fittings                    £10
Pumps & Auxiliaries               £5
Blowlamp                            £3

              Total                    £39   (1967 prices)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 10, 2011, 12:07:40 pm
Rabbet for planking,
Help please, dose anyone know were I can get No 1 gauge 1/2" brass countersunk screws, I have tried everywhere.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 10, 2011, 09:36:04 pm
I have at last found a supplier of small brass screws, if its any help to anyone contact
details; [email protected]
Very helpful guy and very reasonable prices.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 12, 2011, 04:00:34 pm
Garboard plank, rebated at stem & transom half the land width, only 23 more to go.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on June 12, 2011, 06:13:59 pm
Looking good there Mick, not far to go...
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on June 13, 2011, 07:23:44 am
 :-))  Great.......Thanks
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 13, 2011, 06:47:32 pm
The reason for the rebate on the plank lands, the planks finish flush In the stem rabbet & on the transom.
It takes roughly a day to cut and fit one plank from 2"X 4" sawn sapele, when they are cut and shaped each plank can be replicated for the opposite side. The next Photos will be of the completely planked hull.
 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 20, 2011, 08:50:04 pm
Update on planking, 9 fitted 15 to go.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kno3 on June 20, 2011, 09:35:11 pm
Nice work!
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on June 21, 2011, 06:53:36 am
 :-))   and now,,,Rember to pack everything well .when you send it to me....................Great work......

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 21, 2011, 08:21:32 am
Bernard I will pack everything well when I send it to you, what engine will you put in it?

It will need your touch with fixtures and fittings.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: pipercub1772 on June 21, 2011, 06:06:24 pm
 Mick what thickness is the planking , and is there any steaming of the planks involved regards Allan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 21, 2011, 06:19:35 pm
Allan, the planking is 1/8" thick, no steaming required, you need a minimum of 2.25" widths to shape the planks, best described as elongated S shape, it would be impossible to bend straight planks.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on June 22, 2011, 01:55:08 pm
haaaaaaaaaaaa  Thanks Mick..The Stuart can do it for now,,,,,...i know,,, you will not have eny problems to make the last littel  touch to it,,, :-)) and thats a fact....

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 22, 2011, 03:43:24 pm
Thanks Bernhard, your models with attention to detail are an inspiration to all of us.
 
Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 22, 2011, 06:07:10 pm
Plank pattern, quite a lot of waste but in my opinion well worth it, much better than plywood. I cut 12 planks from this Sapele.

If planked in plywood you would need a sheet 4ft 6ins X 4ft.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on June 24, 2011, 07:35:26 pm
Hi Mike
Made it onto the site and it's great to see the photos of your new project
I hope someone had done that for miranda.
I've decided to continue with it to learn all the skills needed to make a boat.
Thanks for your help in the first place.
Is there a library of finished projects?
Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on June 24, 2011, 08:28:57 pm
Hi Alan,
Welcome to the forum, I dint think anyone has done a build project for Miranda, I did have some photos of mine which I sent to you. I am sure that any questions or queries you have will be answered by some very helpful and
experienced model makers in MBH.
Good luck with your project, when you get things organised start you own topic on the Miranda build you will get
a lot of encouragement from members.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 04, 2011, 04:58:36 pm
Hull Planked
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on July 04, 2011, 06:07:10 pm
Perfect. Beautiful. Bewitching. Now for the plant.......... :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on July 05, 2011, 07:46:54 am
wowww what a Great Master job............ :-)).........have you build a clinker before.....................look like you have build clinker for years...........
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 05, 2011, 11:22:49 am
Thanks Greg & Bernard, not quite ready for plant yet.

I have built a full size clinker dingy many years ago, this is my first model clinker most of my models have been carvel.

First Ash rib, 45 to go and 989 rivets.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on July 05, 2011, 06:15:13 pm
Funnily enough we put the first steamed rib back into SL Osprey at the Steamboat Museum yesterday too...conicidence????

Seriously, looking great, those rivets are just the kind of detail that make a good build into a museum peice, but yours has the character to go with it, well done!!!
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on July 05, 2011, 08:15:01 pm
.. Cant be eny better,,, a friend of me ...ask if you take ordre on one,,,,, :-)) :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on July 05, 2011, 08:51:17 pm
Very interesting to follow up.
Perfect work! :-)) :-))
Cheers!
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 05, 2011, 09:05:45 pm
.. Cant be eny better,,, a friend of me ...ask if you take ordre on one,,,,, :-)) :-))
Bernard, sorry but I have so many other sports boats to build, not enough hours in the day because of a severe back problem I can only do 2 hours at a time and then rest for a while.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on July 06, 2011, 12:58:52 pm
Ohh yes i understand ,, i have the same big back problem...after a work  Accident...bot good you stil can build your boats,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on July 15, 2011, 11:39:00 am
Hi Mick
You really are a pattern maker, your skill is enviable. When I started my apprenticeship as a sheet metal worker my mate started as a pattern maker and the things he could make out of wood where amazing,
Thank you for posting how to do it, for enthusiasts like me it is invaluable.
I hope your back is better soon, I know how frustrating it can be not being able to what you want to do.
I'm ready to plank my Miranda now I'll post how I get on, just got to find a good glue!
Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 15, 2011, 04:04:04 pm
Hi Alan,
Thanks for your good wishes, unfortunately by back will never get any better, it started in my early 20s after leaving national service, I was in 3 para and did 28 parachute jumps, I was told this was the cause of my lower back problem, of course as with anything it gets worse with age I just have to live with it.

Looking forward to seeing your Miranda progress, I will be posting more pictures of Wide A Wake soon.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 18, 2011, 12:50:13 pm
Ash ribs completed, 600 copper rivets used.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on July 18, 2011, 03:09:52 pm
WOWWWW ...what a TOP job.. :-)).........

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on July 18, 2011, 05:27:44 pm
Good evening!
Once again a pleasure to see how good, you are going ahead. :-))
I know some who will be happy to see your progresses. ok2
What is the wood  for the ribs?
Thanks Patternmaker, we all learn the right way!
Regards! :-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 18, 2011, 06:34:36 pm
Good evening!
Once again a pleasure to see how good, you are going ahead. :-))
I know some who will be happy to see your progresses. ok2
What is the wood  for the ribs?
Thanks Patternmaker, we all learn the right way!
Regards! :-)

The ribs are sawn from Ash, 5/16" X 1/8" they have to be steamed to bend, Ash is also used in full sized boats.

Regards Mick
 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on July 18, 2011, 08:32:58 pm
It gets better! Well done Mick, eagerly awaiting the next install...
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 21, 2011, 05:48:07 pm
Stern tube, shaft, oiler & propeller. Phosphor bronze bushes, 1/4”dia stainless steel shaft, PTFE gland & thrust washer. Propeller was a 4” dia bronze casting cut down to 3”dia balanced, sharpened and polished, To get closer to the suggested pitch of 8”
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on July 21, 2011, 07:53:44 pm
Woow im i love...it cant be eny better :-)) ...........when can i have it send,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :-)

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on July 21, 2011, 09:06:37 pm
Good evening ! :-)
Splendid Patternmaker.  :-))
My question: I guess , you didn't have a 3" x 8" propeller, and this is the reason why you shorten from 4" to 3".
But wont you need more RPM to keep propeller efficiency?
And now, will it be still easy to manoeuver?
Is it possible to compensate wih the surface of the rudder???
Interesting. ok2
Thanks for these photos!
Regards! :-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 21, 2011, 09:35:06 pm
Hello KBIO,
You can no longer get a 3”X 8” pitch propeller which is a large pitch for this diameter that is why I have reduced a 4” to fit the hog aperture.
The plans state a 3 X 8 propeller for a D10. The Stuart Twin Launch Engine is more powerful, at 200rpm I estimate a speed of 2 knots it should not make any difference to propeller efficiency or manoeuvring, unless someone knows something different.

Regards Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on July 22, 2011, 07:35:31 am
Your right, that prop' should srill be fairly efficient, however I would have thought the ST Twin would need to swing at least 4" of prop' to keep the rev's at a decent level. Surmising here, but I assume that the prop had a more elliptical shape to the tops of the blades before you reduced this one? If so that would have used a lot of the torque up from the engine and increased efficiency. Realistically on a prop like that I would expect at least 25% slip, if not more, which at 200rpm;

6" = 150mm
150mm x 200rpm = 30000mm/min
30000mm = 30m
30m x 60 = 1800m
1800m = 1.8Kph
1.8Kph - 0.973 Knots

That said, it's a nice prop' and it's scale speed...

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 22, 2011, 08:19:43 am
Thanks Greg,
I made a point of keeping the blade tips as near to the same elliptical shape as the original 4", I have had to fit a 3" because of of the aperture size of the deadwood, the main point is correct scale speed.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: treeboa on July 22, 2011, 11:04:38 am
thats not a boat - more a work of art  :-)), i tried a plank build in my misspent youth, a trawler from billings,  it looked ok - from a distance - one eye shut - in a darkened room, my next foray was a perkasa, three weeks in and lots of mistakes later i purchased the glass hull  {-) {-), admiration for you guys that can work with wood, as my mrs keeps telling me - mike if you had been a carpenter we would never have needed kindling  {-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on July 22, 2011, 11:35:40 am
 O0 .... a true craftsman always aligns the screwdriver slots in the countersunk head or cheese head screws in a true vertical or horizontal plane depending on the application  O0

 Patternmaker ..... :-)) ...all true & correct .........Derek
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on July 22, 2011, 01:00:34 pm
Hi Mick
Now riveting, I can do that!
I meant to ask you if the photo for the planking (MBMIMG_6738JAGUAR POWER BOAT)
Is that the shape of the plank? as I'm using strait one's!
I’m keeping a record of your build so I can attempt it myself one day.
Best wishes, Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on July 22, 2011, 03:22:24 pm
Good afternoon!
I’m keeping a record of your build so I can attempt it myself one day
So do I! O0 ok2
That's right, that it will be very helpfull, Mick, if you can show the way to install the first clinker and then the second.
A small speech on how to align it on the rig's ribs, will also make the things clearer for some of us! :embarrassed:
Thanks a lot for this very interesting building! :-)
Regards
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 22, 2011, 03:48:42 pm
Hi Alan
Yes it is the shape of 1 plank, everyone is different but can be replicated  for the same position on other side, with carvel planking depending on the width you can use straight planks of course they have to be tapered fore & aft.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 22, 2011, 05:05:10 pm
Hello KBIO

When you have marked out 12 divisions from the keel rabbet to the sheer line on each mould station, stem & transom this will give you the width of each plank at these positions, fit the garboard planks first, very
little curve on these just tapered fore & aft. Once these have been fitted lay the the next plank in position and mark from the inside which will give you the shape of the next plank but you must add 1/4” from your
mark for the land ( the overlap) transfer dimensions from the position of your original mark from the inside at each station this will give you the shape of the plank which can be replicated for the other side.
Each plank is different shape as you work up to the sheer line.

The plans suggest using plywood for planking which I do not agree with that is why I have used mahogany, with plywood you would see all the edges, OK if you are going to paint the hull, yes there is a lot of
waste with mahogany but I think it is well worth it.

When I set up my moulds (stations) I put a 1.5” X 1/2” batten from Stem to transom this holds everything in place and keeps the hull rigid for planking.

The position of the ribs are marked at 2” centres on the outside of the hull square from the keel, drill 1/16” holes 1/8” in from the edge of each plank, this gives you the position of the ribs.

I have made a quick mock up of planking so you can see a section,
Hope this helps

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on July 22, 2011, 06:05:10 pm
Thanks Pattermaker! :-)
Everything clearer for me. :-))
The only reason why I used Plywood myself, was because I didn't dare (couldn't afford) to waste mahogany! :embarrassed:
I agree that plain wood is far better and yhis is my next project when I have the proper wood.
My last (but important) question concernes both ends.
How far away from the extremities , do you sticks edge to edge? (I am not sure to be clear enough here! %))
Second question is: how wide is the plank before you draw the clinker?
third: (never ended! %%) how thick is your plank?
Thank you to take time to answer those (stupids? %)) questions!
Regards! :-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 22, 2011, 06:14:06 pm
Hello KBIO,

Just a small bead of adhesive down the centre of the land, if you are using plywood cut them 4' 6" long 3"
wide, the planks are 1/8" thick.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kno3 on July 23, 2011, 11:29:20 pm
Hi, where did you buy those nice fittings (oiler etc.) for the stern tube?
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 24, 2011, 08:19:13 am
Hi kno,
I made all the fittings for the stern tube, I am also making a universal joint from brass & stainless.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 24, 2011, 04:15:40 pm
Engine Bearers
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: ooyah/2 on July 24, 2011, 09:57:04 pm
Mick,
 The Launch engine looks a little lost in such a big hull but you sure will have plenty of space for the boiler.

Congrat's on a superb build, truly a master piece, you won't want to get her dirty, just sit it on the Mantle piece and admire it, but then I know that you won't.

George.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on July 25, 2011, 07:41:55 am
Thanks George, will be building your boiler soon.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Circlip on July 25, 2011, 10:06:14 am
Strange how opinions can differ on this one but some of the installations look as if the boat is too small for the plant and it would be difficult getting to the front of the boat in real life and the Elfins would have a birthday.  Superb build Mark.

  Regards  Ian.
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 25, 2011, 12:18:35 pm
Thanks Ian,
Who is Mark

Regards Mick
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Post by: Circlip on July 25, 2011, 12:36:09 pm
Sorry Mike.  O0

  Regards   Fred.
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 25, 2011, 04:52:33 pm
Propshaft UJ
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 26, 2011, 11:45:19 am
This Uj can easily be dismantled, 4 stainless steel Grub screws
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Post by: kno3 on July 26, 2011, 03:32:33 pm
The engine looks so nice in the hull, very realistic.
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Post by: knoby on July 26, 2011, 06:16:24 pm
Wow Mick, I thought the engine build was outstanding, but the boat is looking every bit as good !!! Incredible work  :-))

I think this one should end up in the masterclass section when its finished

Glenn
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 26, 2011, 06:30:28 pm
Thanks Glenn

Regards Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 28, 2011, 07:36:40 pm
Stringers, in whales, quarter knees & breast hook
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Post by: gondolier88 on July 28, 2011, 10:19:21 pm
Love that breasthook Mick, it looks perfect, and mirrored grain to boot......!!! I take it you aren't going to hide all this lovely woodwrok behind a forward or aft deck of any sort? One thing i'm wondering now- with your skills are scale mahogany gratings on the menu?

Greg
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Post by: Bernhard on July 29, 2011, 07:44:55 am
Super :-))
I like it to ..when it is open like a kind of rowboat...look super,,,,,,will  you take water from the pond,,,i do that on all my boats have be working with no problem,,,easy to,,,,,,,,what will you use out and inside to water tight it,?

Regards Bernhard
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 29, 2011, 08:07:30 am
Thanks Greg, there will be a fore & aft deck with narrow side decks, not yet decided on gratings, I am keeping
as close to the original as possible.

Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 29, 2011, 08:22:28 am
Bernard, as I have said there will be a fore and aft deck with  narrow side decks.
I will be making inboard copper water tanks, as I can only run in sea water.
The plank lands have been glued, but as belt and braces the inside of the hull has been coated with fibre glass resin and will be sprayed with 5 coats of 2 pack clear lacquer inside and out, the same procedure I used on Thames steam launch Miranda.

Regards Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 29, 2011, 03:56:19 pm
Cockpit bulkhead
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Post by: derekwarner on July 29, 2011, 10:52:22 pm
Now I know there is no trick photography Mick  {-) ...but installing the bulkhead must have been a real twist to the next rib.... >>:-( & the straighten back out......as clearly the bulkhead must secured to the FWD side of a rib....... :-)) Derek
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Post by: Bernhard on July 30, 2011, 07:59:43 am
 :-))
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 30, 2011, 08:25:23 am
Derek, the bulkhead is made up of 3 sections of 2" X 3/16" sapele, not yet fixed, just goes in past the forward
rib.

Mick.
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Post by: Patternmaker on July 31, 2011, 04:21:33 pm
Floor bearers, boiler, gas tank & condenser positions 

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Post by: KBIO on July 31, 2011, 06:46:26 pm
 :-)
 :-)) O0 ok2
Thank patternmaker!
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Post by: broger on August 01, 2011, 10:45:02 am
It's realy taking shape Mick,
Thank you for posting such an in depth view of your progress :-))
Be well
Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 01, 2011, 12:59:41 pm
Thanks Alan

Regards Mick
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Post by: gondolier88 on August 01, 2011, 07:02:22 pm
Love the floors, they look very scale and business like. Just wondering if you had considered positioning the gas tank and condenser at either side of the boiler, that way the plant becomes far more compact and allows you more room to make the most exquisite scale thwarts and benches etc...

Greg
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 01, 2011, 09:02:15 pm
Greg,

There is a removable thwart across the hull behind the foredeck to access the gas tank, there is also a thwart and side benches in the cockpit.
The reason for the positioning is for copper water tanks fitted either side of boiler.

Mick


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Post by: gondolier88 on August 01, 2011, 09:32:02 pm
Hi Mick,

That explains it :-))
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 02, 2011, 06:27:02 pm
I have changed the design of the rudder, on the plans it is made from 1/16” sheet brass which I did not like, I have also put a pintle on the bottom of the rudder which will locate in a brass strip from the keel
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Post by: MichaelK on August 03, 2011, 04:26:20 am
Hi Mick
Awsome boat.
The two pintels don't appear to line up. Will this be a problem?
Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 03, 2011, 04:48:52 pm
Hi Mick,
The rudder pintels on not on the same axis's by 1/8”, but because pintels are 6.5” apart which relates to about 1/16” in the length of the rudder from upright amidships to hard to port or starboard.

Pictures of rudder mounted with plug in ash tiller.

Mick
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Post by: gondolier88 on August 03, 2011, 06:44:42 pm
Beautiful!
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Post by: Bernhard on August 03, 2011, 08:58:52 pm
ohh yes...
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 10, 2011, 11:18:19 am
Floors and chequer plate removable to access bilges, 2 of the 5 coats of 2K lacquer.
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Post by: Bernhard on August 10, 2011, 05:04:33 pm
IM coming and take it away from- you -im coming to take it away from, you , haa hoo,,,

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on August 10, 2011, 06:19:52 pm
No harm in trying Bernard

Regards Mick
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Post by: broger on August 11, 2011, 09:01:54 pm
What a marvelous finish
And no sanding down
Something to aspire to
Well done Mick
Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 11, 2011, 09:22:40 pm
Thanks Alan, eventually it will have 3 more coats, wet flatted with 1200 between coats.

Mick
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Post by: broger on August 14, 2011, 11:02:39 am
Ahh ! I have your secret to a successful finish!
I tried phoning a couple of time but you must have been out.
cheers
Alan.
ps. I have 5 stars know!!!!!!
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 15, 2011, 08:02:52 am
Well done Alan, just a word of caution if you are spraying 2K clear Lacquer you must use an air feed mask.

Mick
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Post by: broger on August 15, 2011, 11:28:43 am
Thanks Mick
I'll do that.
cheers
Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 16, 2011, 04:45:45 pm
Wide A Wake’s Wheel made from a piece of Oak from a rafter off a Thatched Barn built in 1868
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Post by: Bernhard on August 16, 2011, 07:19:29 pm
LOOK SUPER++++++++++++++++++ :-))
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 17, 2011, 08:46:13 am
Thanks Brenhard,
The oak has special significance to me, its from my Sons barn which he and his wife bought in 2003 to convert to live in.Tragically she died in 2005, he has now decided to complete the Restoration. I will be making some pieces of furniture from the remaining oak for him.

Regards Mick 
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Post by: broger on August 17, 2011, 03:13:57 pm
Mick I'm so sorry, life can be really cruel sometimes.
I'm glad he is completing it, for himself, if nothing else.
With you doing the furniture it will look superb.

What a wonderfull part to have on your boat and again very well made

My best wishes to you and your son.

Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 17, 2011, 03:50:46 pm
Thank you Alan your comments are very much appreciated.

Regards Mick
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Post by: gondolier88 on August 17, 2011, 06:56:12 pm
The best of luck to your son, not an easy project when there are two of you to support each other; so to take it on still after everything is heartwarming.

Your boat is looking a treat- but I'm finding it difficult to see what the bulkhead for'rd of the wheel is for?

Greg
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 17, 2011, 07:41:42 pm
Greg, thanks for your support, much appreciated.

The bulkhead divides the cockpit from engine bay, the cockpit has a Thwart parallel with aft deck and side benches parallel with the side decks up to the bulkhead where the wheel is mounted, as you can see the floor level is higher in the cockpit. I am currently doing the steering gear, 4 brass pulley blocks, turnbuckles to connect to wheel, servo mount and link rod, this must be done before I start the deck.

Mick.
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 22, 2011, 09:14:20 am
Steering gear, metal gear servo, all parts accessible under aft deck.
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Post by: MichaelK on August 22, 2011, 10:06:55 am
Sir Mick,
That is awsome
Are the turnbuckles spring tensioned to allow for stretch in the string(?) the wire (?) to and from the wheel?
Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 22, 2011, 11:14:07 am
Hi Mick,
Thanks for the  knighthood, the turnbuckles are not spring loaded, the small cord is only temporary, I will be using 1mm rigging cord, as its only to rotate the wheel when operating the servo there should not be much stretch after its sprayed with a light coat of clear lacquer to reduce any stretch and plenty of adjustment on the turnbuckles.

Mick

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Post by: Bernhard on August 22, 2011, 01:36:14 pm
look perfect.................. :-))

Regards bernhard
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Post by: broger on August 22, 2011, 02:19:05 pm
Hi Mick
Realy intuative, I have to ask, are you doing this from a plan
or is it all your own thoughts?
I think its realy clever to put the servo their and just turn the wheel with a cord. (reverse engineering)
I think I would have tried to fit the servo to a pully on the wheel
well done mate.

Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 22, 2011, 04:32:43 pm
Hi Alan, the plans do not show any RC installation, I have put the steering servo in the stern as it will be covered by the aft deck, the receiver and battery pack will also be in the stern.

Mick



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Post by: KBIO on August 22, 2011, 09:43:17 pm
Good night (for me %))
Always nice to follow your progress, Mick! :-))
Cheers!
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 29, 2011, 01:37:59 pm
Carlins & Deck Beams
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Post by: gondolier88 on August 29, 2011, 05:27:45 pm
Looking perfect Mick, what will you be using for the deck planks?

Greg
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 29, 2011, 06:05:29 pm
Thanks Greg,

The deck will be planked in Teak.

Mick
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Post by: derekwarner on August 29, 2011, 09:05:22 pm
Bit hard to read the builders plaque on the bow stem piece from 20,000km away over here in OZ Mick..  O0 ...does it say...Built by Mick ????? & a year date

A truly wonderfuld build........ :-)) congratulations........Derek
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 29, 2011, 10:16:27 pm
Thank you Derek, you must have 20 /20 vision to read that from OZ, You are correct, that's exactly what's on the plaque.

Regards Mick



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Post by: knoby on August 29, 2011, 11:15:08 pm
Mick, I keep watching this build & trying to think of an intelligent comment to make about the stunning quality of your work, but I cant think of any that would do your work justice. Would love to see it in real life once its complete, but cant promise i wont try to nick it !! {-)
Seriously though, thank you so much for posting it, I find models like this an inspiration to try harder with my own attempts.
Incredible work.

Glenn

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on August 30, 2011, 10:29:26 am
Glen, thank you for your very kind comments, much appreciated.
The most pleasing aspect of this build is to know that it is an inspiration to others, Bernhards boats are always an inspiration to me.

I have had many emails from all over the world from members of MBM who have posted topics on their builds without any response and feel rejected and reluctant to carry on.

I have tried to encourage them to continue with some success, this is a great forum and we all should encourage new members not ignore them.

My topic is also on other forums in the US and France, I must admit the response I get is far more enthusiastic.

Thanks again for your comments and interest, as you are only a few miles from me you are very welcome to come and see Wide A Wake at anytime.

Regards Mick 
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Post by: steamboatmodel on August 30, 2011, 02:16:10 pm
Mick,
I have been following your build very closely. I was looking at the last set of photos yesterday when a fellow modeller dropped by, he at first thought it was a full size boat.
Regards,
Gerald.
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 30, 2011, 03:36:56 pm
Thanks for your interest Gerald,
I have tried to keep it as original as possible to the full size 25ft launch even though some of the structure is hidden.

Regards,

Mick 
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Post by: broger on August 30, 2011, 04:13:40 pm
Hi Mick
Are you going to enter your boat in the National Engineering Show in November?
http://www.modelengineershow.co.uk/
I'd love to be able to see it and meet up if that was possible.
I have so many questions, like the cuts on the curves look so sharp, what do you use? etc.
Mine's planked now and I'm sanding it down, will post when done.
Best wishes mate
Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 30, 2011, 07:06:19 pm
Hi Alan,

I will not be entering the model engineering show.                           

I have a 10" table saw, thicknesser planner and a small band saw. I still use all my tools I bought in 1948 for my apprenticeship including a Swedish panel saw made from charcoal steel which I sharpen and set, they do not make tools like that anymore, all my carving chisels have boxwood handles with brass ferules and have lost about 2" in length from sharpening.

When I served my apprenticeship we had no power tools whatsoever everything was cut and shaped by hand, that's how I still do it.

Look forward to seeing Miranda

Regards

Mick

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Post by: gondolier88 on August 30, 2011, 08:51:11 pm
I still use all my tools I bought in 1948 for my apprenticeship including a Swedish panel saw made from charcoal steel which I sharpen and set, they do not make tools like that anymore.

Lucky man!!!!

How do you rate your Rolls-Royce against the Japanese pull saws now available?

Do you use a diamond lap or oil stone? Or are you really luck and have a low RPM tool grinder....!

Greg
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 30, 2011, 09:14:39 pm
Hi Greg,
I have a bow saw from 1948, a Disson brass back tenon saw, all my chisels were made by W Marpels & Sons of
Sheffield. All my original hand saws Panel, Cross cut & Rip can be bent round through the handles (DO NOT TRY
THIS WITH MODERN SAWS)

I use oil stones, one course and one fine, the fine one is my original from 1948.

I dint spend much on tools.

Mick 
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Post by: Bernhard on August 31, 2011, 06:22:30 am
 :-)) Ten Times........ you are my Hero.......

Regards Bernhard
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Post by: Patternmaker on August 31, 2011, 07:59:20 am
Likewise Bernhard

Regards Mick
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Post by: broger on August 31, 2011, 04:39:13 pm
I knew that was a good year
It was the year I was born !!!!
So your tools are as old as me %%
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on August 31, 2011, 04:48:23 pm
I have some tools older than you Alan, dating back to the 30s given to me by the craftsman I served my apprenticeship with.

Mick
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Post by: Patternmaker on September 05, 2011, 02:07:14 pm
Teak Deck
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Post by: KBIO on September 05, 2011, 04:46:13 pm
Hello Patternmaker!
Nice shape ! Wooden part is finished soon.  :-))
Waiting on "Iron side"! ;)
Cheers!

I'll do it tonight! %)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on September 05, 2011, 09:41:19 pm
Hi Mick
Can't wait until the engine and boiler go in.
Is that colour filler in between the planks or is that the glue you use?
Love the curve of the deck
cheers
Alan
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Post by: Patternmaker on September 05, 2011, 09:49:34 pm
Hi Alan,
The caulking joints are strips cut from 1mm thick A4 black plasticard.

Mick
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Post by: Bernhard on September 06, 2011, 06:19:41 am
So...Perfect++++++++++  :-))
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Post by: Patternmaker on September 06, 2011, 08:11:41 am
Thanks Bernhard for your continual interest and comments.

Regards Mick

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Post by: JJS on September 07, 2011, 10:01:41 am
Stunning woodwork!! Any reason why you choose to lay strait deck planking, and not deck planking following he curve of the boarding? With your skills that would not be a problem i suppose!!

JJS
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Post by: Patternmaker on September 07, 2011, 10:31:44 am
JJS

The reasons I laid straight deck planks, firstly following the plans of the original 25ft launch, secondly the scale size of the plank widths is 12mm with a 1mm caulking joint, to follow the curve at the Sheer line the planks would have to be considerably narrower and not to scale, it would be impossible to edge bend 12mm X 2mm planks.

Mick
 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: JJS on September 07, 2011, 10:52:19 am
Ok i understand Mick, i just wondered, as i was following the Build Log of a skerry cruiser and saw this beautiful teak deck, Lothar has made on his boat, but i suppose the curves are less than your Launch. It is a pleasure to see these pictures from persons  like you creating master pieces from scratch!! I have to do it with boat kits, ...lack of time, skills and tools....

JJS
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 09, 2011, 06:08:51 pm
Coaming
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Post by: ooyah/2 on September 09, 2011, 07:12:57 pm
Mick,
Your workmanship and attention to detail is quite remarkable, and you with a bad back, well done.
What's the little square hole in the fore deck for ?   
Is it a mast ?
George.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 09, 2011, 07:48:38 pm
Thanks George, the hole in the fore deck is for the mooring post.

I will be starting the boiler soon, this is where your expertise come in.

I have treated myself to a swivel chair for the workshop, it makes things a little easier for me.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on September 09, 2011, 07:58:14 pm
Thanks Paternmaker!
I am compiling your pics in my forum which is going to serve as references in the futur & for the pleasure of all! ok2
Reagrds! :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on September 10, 2011, 07:03:17 am
 :-))
+ 10     
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on September 10, 2011, 10:50:25 am
The coaming is beautiful, just the right depth, are you going to radius the top edge slightly or leave it square?

Do the plans you have show any other deck fittings, or just the samson post?

Looking better by the day!

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 10, 2011, 01:54:36 pm
Greg,
 
Thanks for your comments and interest, there will be a small radius on the top of coaming, I am currently working on the breast work, attached picture, there will be an angled fairlead cut into the mahogany to leading to the samson post.

There will also be a mahogany deck side wash boards with scuppers, 2 brass Cleats on the aft deck quarters and rubbing strakes.

That will only leave the thwarts and side benches, deck treated with Danish Oil and 3 more coats of 2K lacquer then its back to metal work.

Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 15, 2011, 04:08:00 pm
Deck completed and oak rubbing strakes.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on September 15, 2011, 10:21:52 pm
The rubbing strakes are beautiful, well done Mick!

'Just' the benches/thwarts now?

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on September 16, 2011, 06:20:21 am
 :-))  YESS
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on September 16, 2011, 08:42:19 am
Hi Mike,
Your breast work and stern rubbing strake, are they steamed and bent, or cut to fit the lines of the deck?
 The boat is looking so awesome!
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 16, 2011, 12:13:40 pm
Hi Mick,
The rubbing strakes have been steamed the breast work is shaped to fit from solid to fit the lines of the deck.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the few members who have taken the trouble to post their comments and interest in my build log, if it has helped anyone in anyway it has been worthwhile.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on September 16, 2011, 12:24:36 pm
Thanks Mick.... :D ...but there are a few un-answered questions  O0 ...like  8)

1. rubbing strakes........ I cannot see any evidence of securing pins
2. breast work......OK contoured to shape ....but again I cannot see any evidence of securing pins

Again ...I ask ......what basic glue have you used?.......

regards Derek  :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on September 16, 2011, 01:15:05 pm

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the few members who have taken the trouble to post their comments and interest in my build log, if it has helped anyone in anyway it has been worthwhile.


Hi Mick,
I'm a bit of a newbie and like many probably tend to stand back a bit and although this is my first comment on you build be assured I've not missed a single episode, in fact it's the first I look for on opening up the page and I'll bet I'm not alone!!

What you've produced is stunning, I've been inspired to raise my game, take more time and keep my blades sharp! I know I'll not produce work to the same level but it has made a real difference to the quality of what I do and the level of 'job satisfaction' has gone through the roof  :-))

So very many thanks for taking the time to keep the post up to date.
Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: pugwash on September 16, 2011, 01:58:25 pm
Mick I have not been following this build as I have no knowledge of steam engines but have just had a look through
the build so far.  Beautiful craftsmanship with wood I can appreciate, unfortunately I could never hope to copy it to your standard.
First class  :-)) :-)) :-))

Geoff
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 16, 2011, 03:37:15 pm
Hi Derek,
The adhesive I use is Polyurethane Rapid, it expands slightly while curing, providing any excess is cleaned of before it completely cures you are left with a clean surface.

I made a pair of double gates over 10 years ago with no screw fixings just glued with PU rapid, the wood will rot before a glue joint gives way.

Regards Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Lothar on September 16, 2011, 04:25:21 pm
Hi,

first of all, the steamer corner isn't normally my cup of tea, but here I have to say:

Respect for those art of woodworking.

Regards

Lothar
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 16, 2011, 04:37:25 pm
Hi Geoff & Roger
Thanks for your comments and interest.
I am very pleased to hear that my build has inspired you, it makes everything worth while.  I have often been asked if I ever make mistakes, yes of course I do, we all have days when things don't go to plan, I find its best to leave the build go and have A cup of tea in my favourite mug which says Failure is not an Option, reflect on my mistake and try not to repeat the same mistake again.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on September 16, 2011, 05:42:22 pm
The man who never made a mistake never made anything...and the man who makes lots of things never made time to think!
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Solitary Sailor on September 17, 2011, 03:10:15 am
Mick, having read through this whole build thread, I can but echo everyone else's  comments, an absolutely superb piece of craftsmanship, and a really enjoyable read throughout.


Rick

 Naughty, naughty Greg.... if we are going to have a quote, let's have the whole thing
The man who never made a mistake never made anything...and the man who makes lots of things never made time to think!
"Then there are some who make nothing but have plenty to say about everything "  end of quote.  %)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on September 17, 2011, 07:42:54 am
Sorry Rick, of course! :D
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 17, 2011, 08:29:15 am
Quote from: Solitary Sailor link=


Rick

 Naughty, naughty Greg.... if we are going to have a quote, let's have the whole thing  "[i
Then there are some who make nothing but have plenty to say about everything[/i] "  end of quote.  %)

Thanks Rick,
you beat me to it.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: rmaddock on September 17, 2011, 10:52:59 am
Well Mick, I have to join the others and say that you are producing a thing of beauty there.
"We're not worthy!"
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 17, 2011, 06:38:54 pm
Thanks for your comment rmaddock

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 20, 2011, 07:55:50 pm
Hull with 6 coats of 2k Lacquer
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on September 22, 2011, 06:34:59 am
 :-)),,,,,,,what a nice color...............

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on September 22, 2011, 09:38:02 am
Love the brass(?) rubbing strip on the prow.
Mick?
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on September 22, 2011, 11:10:26 am
Hi Mick,
That's a lovely gloss, is this 2 part mixed and sprayed or the aerosol can type? I gather it can be pretty toxic stuff and not the easiest and most convenient of finishes but the results are great.
Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 22, 2011, 01:43:11 pm
Hi Roger,
Yes its 2 part mixed and sprayed at 60psi, it is toxic, I use a airfed mask.
Its the same lacquer as used in motor industry, as you say not the easiest but well worth it, cures very quickly can be wet flatted and polished if necessary also scratch resistant.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 22, 2011, 06:50:54 pm
Seen in daylight for the first time, deck & floors have 3 coats of  Danish Oil.
This model is going to be heavy


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 22, 2011, 06:58:36 pm
More pictures
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on September 22, 2011, 08:00:48 pm
Lovely 'photos Mike, and sunshine as well  :-)) If it were mine I'd have to keep popping back into the workshop to take another sneaky look  O0

Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on September 22, 2011, 09:19:46 pm
Magnifique! O0 :-))
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on September 22, 2011, 09:38:23 pm
 {-) & Roger says...."If it were mine I'd have to keep popping back into the workshop to take another sneaky look"

no...no...no....if she was mine she would be pride of place in the lounge room...... O0 .....Derek 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on September 23, 2011, 07:29:29 am
woww what a boat,,.... :-))100

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kno3 on September 23, 2011, 02:07:53 pm
The lacquered wood looks stunning.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 23, 2011, 07:41:11 pm
Thanks to all for your comments & interest.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 28, 2011, 03:43:58 pm
Removable Flag Staff, Boat Hook & aft deck mooring cleats.

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on September 28, 2011, 09:49:42 pm
Hi Mick
You have been busy, what a lovely boat you have produced must be time for the boiler soon?
I've been away for a bit but the old Miranda is just about done on the hull with the front oops Bow and Stern mahogany part nearly done.
Will post pictures when finished. I must say your help and inspiration have "Reserect Miranda"
I must ask, how do you get your pictures to post full size, mine end up as icons and have to click on them to see the full size.
Hope you are well

Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 29, 2011, 08:39:15 am
Hi Alan,

Yes its back to the metal work now, I have 2 brass water tanks to build which will be located either side of the boiler then it's the boiler build I will be relying on my good friend George (ooyah 2) for his expertise to guide me through the process.

I look forward to your pictures of Miranda, when I download my pictures I use Attach: and click Browse not
Add image to post, depending on your camera you might have to resize your pictures to a maximum 161KB.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on September 29, 2011, 08:57:28 am
Hi Mike,
I'm looking foward to where you are going hide the emergency tiller arm.
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 29, 2011, 10:32:50 am
Hi Mike,
I'm looking foward to where you are going hide the emergency tiller arm.
Mick


Hi Mick

Yes, I will have to stow it somewhere where it will not float away when the Boat sinks, any suggestions?


Mick



Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 29, 2011, 01:56:09 pm
I have had many suggestions this model should not be put in the water, but displayed only and fit a geared electric motor with a speed controller inside a mock boiler. This would be possible by connecting a shaft from a Motor to the forward end of the crankshaft. MBM members I would very much appreciate your opinions on this suggestion.

Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: sunworksco on September 29, 2011, 02:07:14 pm
Hi Mick,
We need to see some smoke and steam! :-))
Kind regards,
Giovanni
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: cuppa on September 29, 2011, 04:03:44 pm
Wonderful work Mick and very inspiring.

A beautiful boat.

Cheers
          Jon
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on September 29, 2011, 07:32:01 pm
Stick an Electric motor in it !!!!!!!
My god this is a steam forum.
The finest moment in life is watching your children walk for the first time, yes they fall over and it hurts you but you wouldn't lock them up would you.?
The same goes for floating your boat.
How can you not have the joy of setting it on it's way under it's own STEAM.
Is this person saying only rubbish boats should be let loose on the lake.
Sorry I'm going on, but don't be so silly, sail it with pride.

Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on September 29, 2011, 08:38:22 pm
Hi Mick,
Until recently my only dealing with steam was a couple of old Mamods and a Bowman stationary engine I have in the loft - all too much trouble to even fire up with their meths burners etc. Add to that some 40 years ago watching my uncle's Bowman steam launch burst into flames in the boating lake in a Norwich park - he was surprisingly calm I recall.

Not a good start BUT a few weeks ago at Deans Marine open day I watched 'modern' (gas burning) steam boats in action. They are quiet, smooth as silk, clean and absolutely lovely, not only that they go in reverse as well!! I never realized such things were possible and to make all this even more enjoyable full radio control  :-))

Of course you are aware of all this but my point is that you have built a gorgeous steam launch, if you don't put in steam propulsion it's ceases to be a steam launch and within a year or less, when you've looked at it loads and realised its potential out will come the tools and the conversion to steam will begin so as you have demonstrated throughout your build 'if a job's worth doing it's worth doing well'  O0 O0 O0 O0

Full steam ahead then .....

Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on September 30, 2011, 10:39:25 am
Hi Mick

Yes, I will have to stow it somewhere where it will not float away when the Boat sinks, any suggestions?


Mick

Normally in the cockpit, clamped under the thwarts, or at the back of them.
Mick


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on September 30, 2011, 10:46:55 am
I have to agree with all the other comments regarding an can full of coiled wire.
In your first post you promised a "Wide-A-Wake for a Stuart Twin Engine"
You surely can't put an electric motor into a work of art and be satisfied.
It's a bit like Da Vinci(?) using a spray can to paint the Sistine Chapel!
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: rmaddock on September 30, 2011, 11:00:44 am
Mick,
My vote would have to be that not putting a steam plant in there would be sacrilege!
You'd regret it for ever and ever.
Robert.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on September 30, 2011, 02:49:51 pm
Stick an Electric motor in it !!!!!!!
My god this is a steam forum.
The finest moment in life is watching your children walk for the first time, yes they fall over and it hurts you but you wouldn't lock them up would you.?
The same goes for floating your boat.
How can you not have the joy of setting it on it's way under it's own STEAM.
Is this person saying only rubbish boats should be let loose on the lake.
Sorry I'm going on, but don't be so silly, sail it with pride.

Alan

Alan,
I am well aware this is a steam topic, I asked for members opinions because I have had many emails with this particular suggestion, I also have to consider my own circumstances, this will probably be my last build because of a severe back problem also I am very limited where I can use the boat, the only option for me is off the sea front which is very limited with weather, tidal conditions and large ships using the Thames which leave a heavy swell.

I had to give up driving 2 years ago and it would impossible for me to carry this model 1/2 mile to the sea front. I will 78 in December, so basically whatever I decide this will be a static model for me.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on September 30, 2011, 04:54:26 pm
Alan,
I am well aware this is a steam topic, I asked for members opinions because I have had many emails with this particular suggestion, I also have to consider my own circumstances, this will probably be my last build because of a severe back problem also I am very limited where I can use the boat, the only option for me is off the sea front which is very limited with weather, tidal conditions and large ships using the Thames which leave a heavy swell.

I had to give up driving 2 years ago and it would impossible for me to carry this model 1/2 mile to the sea front. I will 78 in December, so basically whatever I decide this will be a static model for me.

Mick

In that   case if you are thinking of having it static go for steam, if in the future you ever need a big bag of money it would sell for a lot lot more it would also be really nice to look at .
Far to nice to fit that nasty electric stuff in or one of them silly steam copy units


peter
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on September 30, 2011, 07:41:28 pm
How about  you power her by steam, as she was designed, as she was built and write a pictorial guide to how you built her and how she should be run and maintained and leave it in your will to your grandkids.

That model is a representation of your skills and interests of a lifetime and to comporimise it simply because it may be easier would be a crime, to leave it as a memorial that livess and breathes as all steam models do would be the greatest tribute to you.

There is no reason you couldn't steam her at home after all.......

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on October 01, 2011, 07:19:53 am
Steam Launch this IS. :-))......so steam it have to be.. :-))....... in wintertime i steam my boat home..and enjoy that alot to...just to sit ,and look and lisen........so...make the stuart  , iit will be perfect in it...........

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on October 03, 2011, 07:55:12 pm
Hi Mick
I'm really sorry about your back, it must be very frustrating having found a great hobby only for it to be taken away.
I think gondolier88 hit the nail on the head, running it at home must be more fun under steam that just flicking a switch and watching the propeller go round
it's much better to see pistons moving up and down and saying to a young child, "this is how we used to get around" with all that lovely noise and smell.
Why not split the difference and run it on air?

regards

Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: knoby on October 03, 2011, 07:59:27 pm
Sorry to hear about your back problems Mick.
Its so easy for me sat here on my ass, but my thoughts are its a superb model & a superb engine & they deserve each other.

Glenn
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on October 03, 2011, 08:25:22 pm
Good evening!
That's it Mick! ok2 No choice but steam in any case , for sailing, for watching, for hearing, for smelling , and last for the pride!  O0
Plus , what kind of conversation, you will have when you say, she is powered with electric motor???
Installing electric power in your launch and she will lose all the interest and talent you put in it. O0
Believe an admirative and enthousiatic fellow. :}
Best regards. ok2
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 04, 2011, 08:28:20 am
Many thanks to all members for your opinions and suggestions, the Boiler build will be on BUILDING A STUART TWIN LAUNCH ENGINE & BOILER.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bee on October 04, 2011, 11:33:16 pm
While you may not be able to sail independently on your neareset bit of water I think you underestimate the willingness of members of your local model clubs both boating and model engineering, and probably others in your local community to lend a hand in getting you to a suitable location. Sadly all too often people are afraid to ask and others are afraid to offer and so all lose out.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: cuppa on October 05, 2011, 07:48:35 am
Mick

Sorry to hear about your back problem.

As others have suggested - can a local club help you out?

I am in a similar situation - I had a stroke a few years ago which left me with a weakened right side and epilepsy. The epilepsy means that I cannot drive or go anywhere near water on my own. I have found the local clubs to very friendly and helpful.

Cheers
          Jon

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 05, 2011, 09:44:06 am
Thanks for your comments, at least I am still able to do what I love, building model boats although now somewhat restricted, I know some members on this forum are a lot worse off than me.
The main thing is if my build has given pleasure and inspiration to others it is all worthwhile.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Guy Bagley on October 05, 2011, 10:36:03 am
MICK IF I AM EVER OUT YOU WAY I 'D HAPPILY PICK YOU UP AND THE BOAT AND DRIVE YOU TO THE LOCAL LAKE JUST TO SEE HER SAIL UNDER HER OWN STEAM - ITS A WORK OF ART, - SHE MUST GET HER BOTTOM WET AT SOME STAGE, ITS CRIMINAL NOT TO !

 EXCELLENT  FORUM THREAD, BEAUTIFUL CRAFTSMANSHIP AND AN INSPIRATION TO US ALL !
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 05, 2011, 02:48:56 pm
Thank you Guy for your very kind offer, I will see when the time comes to steam her up, you are very welcome
to come and see Wide A Wake at anytime if your down this way, just drop me a PM.

Kind regards

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 06, 2011, 09:05:31 am
Gas Tank
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 06, 2011, 09:05:31 am
Gas tank end caps
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ted Welding on October 06, 2011, 11:05:05 am
When I was building 'Natterer' (see my ongoing build in 'Natterer' - A shipbuilding Oddysey) I built her as a full steam launch, with fully functioning steam plant.  However, as she was also my first foray into steam, I hedged my bets by installing an emergency electric drive geared to the propshaft, engaged by means of an electro-magnetic clutch, with a small battery giving about five minutes reserve power. By flicking one switch on my transmitter, I can control both systems.

Now Natterer is big - 6' long - and I had plenty of room under the bottom boards to install the electrics, and space for lockers to hide batteries and electronics, which I appreciate an open launch such as 'Wide-a-Wake may not have. Might be worth thinking about though.
As an added bonus, I found that she sailed so well under the electric motor that I have also put together four 12v gel batteries in a pack that can replace the whole steam plant (which comes out in one piece) and gives me hours of sailing if I'm feeling lazy!

I can also sympathise with your transport/handling problems - 'Natterer' has an all up weight of 80lbs. That's why the steam plant comes out in one - it gives me two 40lb packages, which are far more easily handled.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on October 06, 2011, 06:56:08 pm
Very interesting Ted, is the shaft is still connected to the steam plant when running on geared motor.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on October 06, 2011, 09:44:20 pm
When I was building 'Natterer' (see my ongoing build in 'Natterer' - A shipbuilding Oddysey) I built her as a full steam launch, with fully functioning steam plant.  However, as she was also my first foray into steam, I hedged my bets by installing an emergency electric drive geared to the propshaft, engaged by means of an electro-magnetic clutch, with a small battery giving about five minutes reserve power. By flicking one switch on my transmitter, I can control both systems.

Now Natterer is big - 6' long - and I had plenty of room under the bottom boards to install the electrics, and space for lockers to hide batteries and electronics, which I appreciate an open launch such as 'Wide-a-Wake may not have. Might be worth thinking about though.
As an added bonus, I found that she sailed so well under the electric motor that I have also put together four 12v gel batteries in a pack that can replace the whole steam plant (which comes out in one piece) and gives me hours of sailing if I'm feeling lazy!

I can also sympathise with your transport/handling problems - 'Natterer' has an all up weight of 80lbs. That's why the steam plant comes out in one - it gives me two 40lb packages, which are far more easily handled.
Very nice well thought out where did you get the  electro-magnetic clutch from i have been looking for one for a project
Peter 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ted Welding on October 07, 2011, 10:24:55 am
The engine remains connected to the propshaft when the emergency electrics are employed.  I had some doubts whether this was practical at development stage, as I was concerned I could be trying to turn a 'locked' engine as well as the propshaft, but it has worked well on test (never had to use it in anger!) The resistance from the steam engine is high, and the electric (geared) motor pulls a lot of amps, which accounts for the short duration of the stand-by battery - but then I only need a minute or so to bring her in.
When running solely on electric, the entire steam plant is removed, so no drag, and the replacement battery pack will run for hours.

The electronic clutch was obtained from a friend who worked in the electronics control industry, and is only about 1.5" diameter.  I've looked for a 'spare' just in case, but never found one - the majority appear to be in the 3" upwards range.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kiwimodeller on October 07, 2011, 11:07:51 am
I came across an electronic clutch (as well as a lot of useful sprockets and chains) while dismantling an old photocopier. A friend assures me that it will work on 12v but I have not yet tried it. The recyling centre at our local rubbish dump had several last time I was there. Cheers, Ian.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on November 26, 2011, 12:21:16 pm
Hi Mick,

I'm in the process of looking for scale chequer plate for my picket boat, but can't find anywhere that supplies ali', only brass. Yours appear to be ali', I wondered if you could tell me where you found them, thanks?

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on November 26, 2011, 01:31:41 pm

Hi Greg,




http://modeleng.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1257 (http://modeleng.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1257)


Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on November 26, 2011, 02:39:46 pm
I got some from Southworth engines they do two patterns, I got some when I bought a 3" vertical boiler pump of them they do a nice casting kit. It Has built in to a really nice pump. they don't do pay pal or credit and it's cheque up front
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on November 26, 2011, 04:48:40 pm
Hi Mick, HS93,

Thanks a lot guys.

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 01, 2011, 03:29:20 pm
Water tanks, total capacity 1 Litre, steam valve & reverse servos incorporated in the End of the tank casing.
I have also put baffles in the tanks.

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on December 01, 2011, 05:44:17 pm
 :-))
Thanks Pattern Maker! :}
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: gondolier88 on December 01, 2011, 05:55:12 pm
Spectacularly neat and simple- as all the best complicated well designed things are. Well done Mick.

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on December 03, 2011, 01:24:02 pm
Hi Mick
Just thought I'd let you know that I'm still here and following your buid.
Love the idea with the water tanks.
I've made a start on Alaska, Frame made Keel made, I'm fabricating the Launch engine from a set of plans sent to me by Stuart.
I'm using a steel base and Bronze bushes.
I'd start a thread but it would be to long between post people would get bored.
Hope you are well and the old back isn't giving you too much trouble.

Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 17, 2011, 02:44:19 pm
Almost finished, RC installed just pipework from engine to boiler, gas tank to burner, servo links to steam valve and reverse  boat hook and tiller arm stowage brackets to make. The gas tank complete with burner will be easily removeable to refill.
This build when completed will have taken almost a year from the start of the engine build.
I have commandeered the side board with of course the wife's permission, its to cold in the workshop, ( cant afford to have the gas fire on)
Wide A Wake weighs 38lbs with full tanks.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Den the tug on December 17, 2011, 07:34:54 pm
Just fell into this build.
Without doubt this is the best totally scratch built model I have ever seen. I doff my cap to you.
The dedication that you have put into this build is astounding and beyond anything I could ever do, but I will try to get, in time, somewhere near your quality of craftsmanship.
Well done,
Den. 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on December 17, 2011, 08:27:43 pm
Hi Mick.....just beautiful :-)).....now lets re-read the rules about nomination to the Master Class Category..... >>:-( as I think a water demonstration is required....this will certainly cause some debate.... O0 ...Derek
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on December 17, 2011, 10:13:04 pm
Hi Mick
I've been following your storey since day one, and am continually amazed at the craftmanship. :-)) (Saying that, I am now used to your standards! :})
You say that she weighs 38lb, ready to sail.
Plank on frame, and especially clinker, small boats are notoriously light weight, and at the same time, remarkably rigid and strong, one of the reasons the method of building is popular.
I'm just a little bit curious as to where you are going to hide "X" lbs of lead ballast. {:-{
I'm sure we will all find out in due course! O0
Congratulations
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 18, 2011, 09:38:03 am
Thanks for all comments and interest, much appreciated

Mick, from the onset I paid particular attention to make all components removable, to access the bilges.
3 pipe connections, 6 nuts, 1 set screw & 2 servo links the complete Engine can be removed, 4 screws to remove the boiler, 4 thumb screws to remove gas tank & burner.

The floors and chequer plate can  be removed, the cockpit seats can be removed and the cockpit floor.

If any ballast is required I would use led flashing rather than pellets to keep the limber holes clear. I don't think she will need much ballast if any.

My problem is I have nothing to float her in, as I fitted a walk in bath a few years ago after my wife had a nasty break in her upper arm, she had to have a titanium coil fitted round the break.

Wide A Wake is to long to fit in the bath, although I have filled her up with water to The stringer level inside, I know she's water tight.

I might consider getting a large cheap paddling pool or wait until my neighbour puts his swimming pool up again.

Regards Mick 


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on December 19, 2011, 06:46:36 am
Hi Mick
The el-cheapo wading pool is a good solution, (subject to Council Aproval, of course! <*< :police:), and the neighbours swimmiing pool sounds good as well. :-))
I actually thought that from what I've seen of Canvey Island, (via Google) that there would be a suitable, quite, location somewhere close at hand.
Looking foward to her maiden Voyage! ;)
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on December 19, 2011, 07:44:19 am
just beautiful :-)) :-))
i use a cheap,,kids blow up,,badtop?works ok...

Regards Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on December 19, 2011, 11:29:22 am
Thanks for your PM Mick........ O0

You know in OZ the alternate way to check for water tight integrity.........  >>:-(

Yep... :o thats it....fill the inside of the hull with [38 lbs divided by ? = liters/kg of water :P] & check for external leakage   {-) ......Derek
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 19, 2011, 12:28:00 pm
Hi Mick

As I have said before my only option is the sea front, which depends on tide, weather conditions and Thames river traffic which has increased with large Container ships which can cause up to a 1 metre swell coming in to the beach.

Although Google might show quite a few creeks and inlets these are tidal mud banks and inaccessible, now if it were pre 1953 before the Canvey Island floods I lived on a house boat all my life until 1957 a converted Thames Lighter in Small Gains creek which was ideal for sailing anything.
After the floods the creek was dammed, and we were left high and dry.
Although its way of topic some may be interested in my story of the 1953 floods.  http://canveyisland.org/page_id__319_path__0p2p19p.aspx

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: kno3 on December 19, 2011, 02:41:15 pm
The boat turned out marvellous. I'd love to see it on the water (at least in a video).
Besides, your article about the 1953 floods is a very interesting read. I hadn't known about them until now.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 19, 2011, 10:42:16 pm
Thanks kno, there will be a video at some time but only in a paddling or swimming pool.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Reg Hinnant on December 22, 2011, 06:06:15 pm
 :-)) The launch is lovely Mike. Very very nice!
Thank you for all the build photos and explanations!  You set the standard for everyone to strive to.

I'm a bit late with this but another place to get the alum chequer plate in different scales is Polly Engineering.  
http://www.pollymodelengineering.co.uk

Christmas greetings
Reg H
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on December 22, 2011, 06:23:34 pm
Hey Mick....super,,,bot.... can you do a video when it is under steam.. :-)).i will reale like to se it working... :-))..it dont have to be in the water,,,,

Regards Bernhard,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 22, 2011, 06:57:17 pm
Reg, thanks for your comments and interest.

Happy Christmas & 2012

Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 22, 2011, 07:04:56 pm
Hi Berhard,
I will do a video of the plant running on steam in the near future, thanks for your continual interest and comments.


Best wishes for Christmas & New Year to all members
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 29, 2011, 02:58:45 pm
Burner & Boiler pipe work.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: KBIO on December 29, 2011, 08:24:37 pm
Good evening!
I was missing it ! ok2
as usual: nothing to add! :-))
But she looks ready for water as soon as the weather allows it, now! O0 Isn't it?
Regards Pattern Maker and go on to please us so much! :-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on December 29, 2011, 09:27:11 pm
Hull Mick.......there is a terrible  >>:-( optical illusion in the image 004  <:(  <*< it is the copper tube to the chimney.....but at the lower 90 degree bend just FWD of the de-oiler looks like a bent bit of spaghetti...I nearly spilled my coffee......... :embarrassed:....thank goodness the next view 006 confirms that it is an illusion

I must also acknowledge your good taste in tube work ...in that tubes must be square + level + FWD or AFT & up or down  O0 .......beautiful.......... Derek

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on December 30, 2011, 06:00:25 am
 :-))  what a burner....... how long time ..do you think you have gas fore...
Regards
Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on December 30, 2011, 10:10:52 am
Very good question Bernard, the gas tank holds 600ml, the picture shows the burner with the gas valve fully open, if the boiler is filled with hot water obviously steam up time would be much shorter and the valve could be shut down to about half or possibly less to maintain pressure. As I haven't done a full test yet I don't know how long I will get on a full tank perhaps some of the steam Boffins in MBM could tell me.

Regards Mick


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: ooyah/2 on December 30, 2011, 12:45:02 pm
Very good question Bernard, the gas tank holds 600ml, the picture shows the burner with the gas valve fully open, if the boiler is filled with hot water obviously steam up time would be much shorter and the valve could be shut down to about half or possibly less to maintain pressure. As I haven't done a full test yet I don't know how long I will get on a full tank perhaps some of the steam Boffins in MBM could tell me.

Regards Mick




Hi Mick,
I use a camping gas can that I refill with straight Butane and the burner head is an earlier version of the one that you are using.
Can is 206g x 367 ml ( that's what is says on the tin )
Boiler is 4.75" dia Scotch return flue as yours and 5" between the end plates.
This was installed in my steam tug with a 10V engine running at 50 P.S.I. and I have had a full 4 hr sail with the burner never being turned off.
Tug now has a D10 but has only been on the water once and had about 1 hr run before getting bored and shut down, due to bad weather I havn't been able to get a true time of usage but with your large tank even with the Launch engine I would imagine that you would get in excess of 2 hrs.
You have a good steady flame with your set up and I don't foresee any problems.

George.

Pic of burner.
(http://s18.postimage.org/iz9tippgl/Cervia_burner_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iz9tippgl/)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 01, 2012, 04:53:00 pm
Summary of build costs so far,

Cost of materials for engine, boiler, water tanks & gas tank copper,
brass, Phosphor bronze & stainless steel                                                          £107.00
Propeller casting                                                                                             32.00
Pressure Gauge & sight glass tube                                                                     27.50
Silver solder  (approximately)                                                                            65.00
Engine casting set                                                                                         250.00

The hull made from all reclaimed timber apart from the floors,
American black walnut, cost                                                                               9.50
Chequer plate                                                                                                12.00
800 copper rivets                                                                                            48.00
Red Ensign                                                                                                      6.80
2 K Lacquer & Danish Oil                                                                                  28.00
2.4 ghz 3 channel radio with high toque brass gear servos                                        53.00

Total                                                                                                        £638.58

Build hours so far just over 2000

Wishing you all a very happy New Year, thanks to those members for their comments and interest in my build.

Regards Mick

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 03, 2012, 02:55:02 pm
Video of engine running on air at 20 psi, not easy to hold camera, tachometer and adjust steam valve, thats why the
video is a bit shaky.

The flywheel isn't running out, its covered with black tape to get a tacho reading


http://youtu.be/ZTblV02MWrY


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 05, 2012, 02:41:54 pm
Is there anyone out there, Bernhard has very kindly offered to make me a helmsman figure for Wide A Wake which is a great honour from a superb modelmaker.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on January 05, 2012, 03:33:57 pm
Hi Mick,
A most generous offer and acknowledgement of the time and effort you have spent sharing a great build with us all.
It would seem most appropriate if the figure were of yourself, is that the plan?
Regards,
Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 06, 2012, 10:37:46 am
Hi Roger,
A figure of myself might frighten people, so I have left it entirely to Bernhard, all his figures are superb.

A picture of me taken in 1941

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on January 06, 2012, 12:38:00 pm
Hi Mick,
What a lovely picture, I assume you didn't build the boat yourself but clearly your future was set!

I look forward to see Bernhard's helmsman.

Regards,
Roger
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 06, 2012, 04:24:06 pm
Hi Roger,
No I did not build it, I was 10 it was my grandfathers, a Thames Barge skipper.

Regards
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on January 06, 2012, 04:48:47 pm
Happy days  :-)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 17, 2012, 07:06:41 pm
Bernhard very kindly offered to make me a Captain for Wide A wake.
Here are some the pictures he sent me.   

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: john s 2 on January 17, 2012, 07:25:13 pm
Dont know how Bernhard does it. This figure look so lifelike. Its a credit to him.John.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: MichaelK on January 19, 2012, 09:06:13 am
Hi Mike,
The figurine of Captain Mike is awesome!!
Only some-one of your standards deserves a gift from another master builder. :-))
(not sure about the hobnail boots though {:-{)
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 19, 2012, 09:33:12 pm
Hi Mick.
When I started this build I never gave a figure of a helmsman a second thought it was only with Bernhards generous offer I considered it I'm looking forward to receiving him.

With regard to the nobnail boots just all well its not a Tanker.

Mick   
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 20, 2012, 04:27:49 pm
Captains Aboard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: derekwarner on January 20, 2012, 08:15:45 pm
Hullo Mick.....I think Bernhard has done a brilliant job ......[as usual]  :-)) ....Derek
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: thelegos on January 20, 2012, 09:30:12 pm
That's really superb! There's a definite glint in his eye, I bet he's persuaded a few lasses to take a trip in his boat over the years ;)
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: ooyah/2 on January 21, 2012, 08:59:59 pm
Mick,
What a superb gesture by Bernhard to make you the figure of a Captain for Wide Awake, he just looks the part and is a great addition to your build.
He must have very nimble fingers to make such realistic models.

Well done Bernhard.

It's a pleasure to see that there are  members willing to help others, not like those who use the forum to leave ridiculous and insulting statements  to other members postings, especially those with 1000 + postings who should know better.

Having seen your posting( No 260) with the skinny 10 year old, who would have thought that some years later he would be a major player in the rescue of people during the Canvey Island floods, probably with the same boat and that same skinny kid would eventually be jumping out of airplanes in full assault gear on H.M. service.

George
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 21, 2012, 10:11:09 pm

It's a pleasure to see that there are  members willing to help others, not like those who use the forum to leave ridiculous and insulting statements  to other members postings, especially those with 1000 + postings who should know better.
George



George,
Well said, totally agree with you.
Thanks for your comments
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on January 23, 2012, 03:12:12 pm
HI Mick.........so now you can get music in your boat,,,,,,,,,,, the song steam boat bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DeWzWEtbyk&feature=youtube_gdata

Regards
Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 23, 2012, 03:53:14 pm
Bernhard has again very kindly made me a gramophone for Wide A Wake, I am very honoured that he has taken the
time and trouble to do this for me as well as the superb Captain he made, he is indeed a true craftsman and friend.

Its very satisfying to me and I'm sure to others to see a member offering his services to help others, this is what MBM is all about, its a shame its spoilt by a few with unnecessary comments.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 30, 2012, 01:31:59 pm
Tiller, boat hook stowage, servo links to reverse gear & steam valve
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: NigelW on January 30, 2012, 02:30:40 pm
What a stunning piece of craftsmanship!!! Look forward to seeing some pics once she's in the water:-)

Nigel
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on January 30, 2012, 04:12:53 pm
 :-)) OHHH yes,,,,,,,,,,
                                     Mick   have you allso used oil on the wheel...?  it look so light,,,
Regards
Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on January 30, 2012, 06:24:59 pm
Thanks Nigel, there will be some pictures of her in the water in the future.


Bernhard, the wheel is lacquered, its the flash that makes it look light, just waiting for my Cocker Spaniel before I fit
the Gramophone, its getting a bit crowded in the cockpit.

Regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on January 30, 2012, 07:23:15 pm
ok......ohh thats a nice spaniel you have get...........

Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 04, 2012, 10:40:41 am
I have made the Captain binoculars, and 2 of my medals, does anyone know what the medals are?

Mick


Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 04, 2012, 12:04:14 pm

            Pennies ?
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 04, 2012, 12:43:48 pm
No Kenny there 1/8" diameter, clue, they are not Naval badges.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on February 04, 2012, 04:34:50 pm
are they for your Brave work in the floods ?

Peter
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 04, 2012, 06:19:10 pm
No Peter, they are Army medals, the ribbon colours will identify them. I did not seek or receive any medals for the Canvey floods.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: ooyah/2 on February 04, 2012, 06:45:32 pm
Mick.
Don't know what they are but I am sure that they were well earned, another one should be struck for your work done on Wide a Wake.

Sophie and your skipper look great.
George.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on February 05, 2012, 12:57:10 am
No Peter, they are Army medals, the ribbon colours will identify them. I did not seek or receive any medals for the Canvey floods.

Mick

Yes but you Deserved one as far as I am concerned.

Peter
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: redpiperbob on February 05, 2012, 08:49:04 am
Hi Mike
Am I close with these.
Distinguished Service Medal (Army)
Korean Service Medal

Thank you for an extraordinary build.
Bob
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 05, 2012, 12:12:18 pm
Hi Bob,
You are correct with one, the one with 2 bars is a distinguished Service medal Canal Zone 1953 - 1957 only 400 were issued to 2 para for the 1956 Suez War the top bar is engraved Airborne forces, I was recalled from AE Reserve because I had previously served  in the canal Zone for 2 years National Service. I was in the first wave flying from Cyprus on Nov 5th in a Hastings, we had to jump from 400 feet because of the nature of the terrain  to take El Gamil air strip this was the last operational drop by the Parachute Regiment, the other one is a Canal Zone campaign medal.

Thanks for your interest and comments.

Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 06, 2012, 09:53:12 am
Waiting for an Ice Breaker
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on February 06, 2012, 05:31:10 pm
HHaa oh yes he reale neat help and a warm sweaters and a bottel of rom,,


Bernhard
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on February 15, 2012, 07:59:26 pm
Wide A Wake Completed, clock,
Binnacle and working compass. Gramophone, miniature speaker and sound board was a very generous gift from Bernhard, I have used a micro switch and micro servo to activate the music from the transmitter.

 
http://youtu.be/1sXqgpTn2RQ
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Bernhard on February 15, 2012, 09:27:05 pm
Great launch....great build...............gratulation  Master Mick.. :-)) :-)) :-))


 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: broger on March 05, 2012, 07:24:00 pm
It's been a great journey and a great inspiration to me Mick
Can we expect to see here chugging round a lake soon?

What are you going to make next?

best wishes

Alan
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: knoby on March 05, 2012, 07:54:34 pm
Congratulations on this build Mick, throughly enjoyed reading the thread. its an insight to what can be achieved & an inspiration to me to try harder.  I have showed this thread to 2 non modeler friends of mine & both thought it was a full size boat. We just need to see her get her bottom wet now ( although todays weather might put you off for a while ).
Just a thought, would you be interested in taking her to the Barleylands steam fair  in Bilericay later this year, I could wangle you  a free ticket or 2  :}

cheers Glenn
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Patternmaker on March 06, 2012, 09:06:46 am
Thanks Glenn, I am laid up with back trouble at the moment, very frustrating, fed up with sitting not being able to do
anything don't know what the future holds I will have to wait and see how things pan out.

Regards
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: southsteyne2 on April 12, 2013, 11:45:43 am
Hi Mick hope your back is not keepimg you down too much as I too have a crook back and have some idea what it's like.
Thanks for the info on the rivetts seems to be plenty of them about but the roves I find are a different thing so can you let me know where you sourced them would be much appreciated .
I am almost to the planking stage of the wide-awake launch and I will post some pics when about half way planked
your build articles have been a true godsend thank you very much :-))
John
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on April 15, 2013, 12:20:37 pm
Hi John, you can not get 1/16" roves, I put the rivets through from the inside, so the heads look like roves which are the right scale, just cut of the excess and sand off back to the planks which are the right scale for the heads, each rivet is glued, do a few at a time otherwise it will drive you insane.
 
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 21, 2013, 08:16:26 pm
Hi all, just to let you know I have had to reluctantly sell Wide A Wake, I had to raise money to pay for a stair lift.
At least it has gone to someone who appreciates it and will look after it.
Wishing you all a Happy Christmas.


Mick


 
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ramon on December 21, 2013, 10:58:47 pm
Mick, though I have not posted on this thread before I have followed it over time not least since I was inspired by the article in Model Boats in 1972 to do likewise. So much so that it that it led not only to a complete change of direction from aeromodelling/power model boats into model engineering but subsequently a career change too - from offshore life to one in a machine shop - a move I never regretted. Despite that though I never did get round to building the hull  %)

We have exchanged a few comments before - on the ME site I believe. I served with 3 Para too but a while after you (1962-67) so to hear that you have now had to sell your beautiful model for the reason you state is very sad indeed - we both now what we went through to serve - I guess we are now of an age where now our bodies will pay for it - I only hope you are not so infirm you find it hard to enjoy modelling of some kind. I guess too it's some kind of consolation knowing it's gone to a good home.


You might like to know that after so many years I finally bit the bullet and finally began work on my hull twelve weeks or so ago - it's now up to sheer level but I now have to rework the boiler I made in 1972 before fitting it out though hopefully that won't take quite so long  to get round to.


Take care mate and let that 'Para spirit' shine as best you can,


'Utrinque Paratus'




Regards - Ramon

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 22, 2013, 10:06:42 am
Hi Ramon, Thanks for your comments, as I said it was a very reluctant sale as I wanted to leave it 
Son but I had no choice I had to raise money to help pay for a stair lift despite trying every available organisation for help even the British Legion being an ex serviceman they said I did not quailfy because I was a National Serviceman despite being recalled by AER for the Suez War 1956 because there were not enough Regular trained paratroopers to carry out Operation Musketeer to retake the Canal.
So much for Queen & Country.


I'm afraid my modelling days are over, I still yearn to get out in my workshop, I wish you all the best with your models.


Kind Regards
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ramon on December 22, 2013, 06:32:15 pm
Mick, that's not good to hear Mate - PM sent


U - P


Ramon
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 23, 2013, 12:05:48 pm
Hi Ramon, thanks for the PM and info, I have contacted SSAFA awaiting a reply.


I am rather annoyed the fact that I have had over 16000 views and 297 comments on my build log of Wide A Wake, helped a lot of
members with questions and problems yet you are the only one that has responded, but then you are an ex para so its no supprise.


Take care mate all the best Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: SailorGreg on December 23, 2013, 05:52:02 pm
Please don't be annoyed Mick. Although I imagine there are many of us who are saddened by your situation it is sometimes difficult to know what to say, especially on a public forum like this. 

I for one followed your Wide-a-Wake build with great admiration, and was dismayed to see her for sale especially given the reason for the sale.  I am pleased she has gone to a good home but my heart goes out to you that you had to part with her and can no longer build your lovely models.  I hope SSAFA come up trumps for you.

Just because this community is quiet doesn't mean we don't care. 

All very best wishes - and Merry Christmas!

Greg
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 23, 2013, 06:00:03 pm
Thank you Greg much appreciated


Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Jerry C on December 23, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
I was also gutted when I heard of your situation. I know the effort and skill you put into that launch, indeed I was inspired by your build to build my own. I really hope everything turns out alright for you and that you health improves or at least you get all the equipment and assistance that you undoubtably deserve. I wish you a good Christmas and a happy new year. All the best,
Jerry.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: southsteyne2 on December 23, 2013, 10:16:07 pm
Hi Mick I also are  saddened by your situation and I know your build and helpful topics were much appreciated by many including myself so I hope things work out for you and also keep in touch on the forum .

Wishing you and all a happy Christmas and new year
John
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: scoots on December 25, 2013, 08:24:23 am
Hi Mick,
 
All the best to you and yours.
 
Alain
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: steam up on December 26, 2013, 02:20:28 pm
Sad as it is to hear about the forced sale of your wonderful model I am sure you will also recognise that your story can be repeated across the UK and beyond.
The recession has hit many (although not all the MP's seem to be doing well) very hard with hobbies taking second place in many lives. Ex service men and women have been hit hard but then so have the old ,disabled and any working man or women.
All I can say is that you clearly enjoyed your build and by sharing with others have given much pleasure. You are now able through your own effort to make life more tolerable for yourself by the sale of your work. Many are sadly not in so fortunate a position.
Remember never let the B's grind you down.
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 27, 2013, 11:43:55 am
Thanks to all for your support, I think I will send my 15p a week pension increase, ( which you get when you reach 80 ) to Cameron so he can add it to foreign aid or his expenses.

Happy new year to all
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: geoff p on December 27, 2013, 04:12:16 pm
Mick, is there anything we can do to help?

My regards to you, Sir,

Geoff
Thailand

Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ramon on December 27, 2013, 04:27:01 pm
Hi Mick - Hope that SSAFA comes up with some better help for you. I shall ask at my next PRA meeting for you if there's anything that Airborne Forces can do but that won't be until the end of January.


In the meantime hope you have as good a year as you can given the circumstances.


All the best mate - Ramon
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on December 28, 2013, 11:42:28 am
Hi Ramon, I haven't heard anything  from SSAFA, but I don't care anymore, stuff the lot of them. I lost nearly 3 stone but have put back nearly 2 stone which is near my fighting weight. I am adapting my workshop so I can hopfully build some more models, I am lowering all my machinery and benches.
I have regained a lot of strength in my legs and upper body, its been a painful process but worth it.


All the best and thanks Mick










.
Mick, is there anything we can do to help?

My regards to you, Sir,

Geoff
Thailand






Thank you for your very kind offer, but I will overcome this godwilling.


Kind regards Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ramon on December 28, 2013, 12:01:26 pm
Mick - that's the spirit.  Remember that maxim - No matter how hard it gets, never ever give in. A bit hard to remember sometimes when things get on top I know but it's a 'blinking!' (not my original choice of word  ;) ) wonderful feeling when you pull through the other side  :-)) . Just pace yourself and do what you can to be able to do something - no matter how small it is or how little you do each day.


Give SSAFA a chance too - sometimes these things can take some time to get in process.


Definitely U-P then  ;)


Ramon
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Landlocked on January 02, 2014, 10:14:47 pm
If the SSAFA is anything like the VA on this side of the pond, I can only suggest patience and a/several mood improving beverage(s) of your choice. 


Good luck!


Landlocked
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Ramon on January 31, 2014, 02:02:34 pm
Mick - I asked on your behalf last night - PM sent so hope you picked it up.


Ramon
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: patternmaker on January 31, 2014, 02:59:21 pm
Hi Ramon, thanks for all your help I will be in touch later, I am at the moment trying to get a mobility car but it would seem you have to under 64, although I have a current driving licence, I know quite a few people that have a mobility car that are over 70 so what is the secret does anyone no ?


Regards
Mick
Title: Re: WIDE-A-WAKE LAUNCH FOR STUART TWIN ENGINE
Post by: Netleyned on January 31, 2014, 03:32:11 pm
Hi Mick,
I believe that for DLA  or PIP as it is now known you have to be under 65 when you first claim.
After that first claim you can go on receiving it indefinitely if your circumstances do not change for the better.


I'm not sure what happens if you become incapacitated after the age of 65.


You need to receive the higher allowance for mobility to be able to hire a motability vehicle.


Ned