Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: John W E on April 12, 2012, 06:07:47 pm
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Hi ya, I am just wondering how many of us have had a belly full of the Titanic - its gone over the top to me now, with all these programmes on tv and articles in magazines - everwhere you turn - they have done everything, discussed everything and even sailed the same route - it was a great disaster but surely its time now to let the unfortunate souls rest.
aye
john e
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You think this is bad? Wait until they reach the 100th anniversary of the start of the Great War.
I see that the centenary of the Scott expedition slipped by unnoticed too.
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This was good on Radio 4 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g6fnr (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g6fnr)
... sorry Bluebird! ok2
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Hi ya, I am just wondering how many of us have had a belly full of the Titanic - its gone over the top to me now, with all these programmes on tv and articles in magazines - everwhere you turn - they have done everything, discussed everything and even sailed the same route - it was a great disaster but surely its time now to let the unfortunate souls rest.
aye
john e
So John, why is it that your name appears on the list of entries for the Titanic book we are offering as a prize on our online draw on the Model Boats website? :-)
Colin
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So if he wins he could give it to me! {-) {-) {-) --Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Well Colin , :embarrassed: :you have got me on that one-but i hope its the modelling techniques :-)) if not tt1 aye, you got a deal {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
aye
john
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Hi ya, I am just wondering how many of us have had a belly full of the Titanic - its gone over the top to me now, with all these programmes on tv and articles in magazines - everwhere you turn - they have done everything, discussed everything and even sailed the same route - it was a great disaster but surely its time now to let the unfortunate souls rest.
aye
john e
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh John, Gill lost two relations [engineers] on the Titanic, keep your head down son.(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/Smileys/20409_4.gif)
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Both the books are very good on the modelling side, the one being offered to subscribers only is very good indeed and I have a copy myself although I'm not a TitanicFanatic.
Colin
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Bluebird I'm with you. The whole thing has been overdone and bordered on the goulish.
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Dont have a problem with it myself. I find it very interesting and intriguing exploring what happened to the ship, how and why it broke apart, the condition it is in now etc.
I mean that Concordia thread is 6 or 7 pages long, isnt it?
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Not me....or the kids......going to see Titanic 3D on Saturday night at Vue..the day she went down.........the kid's idea, not mine, %% %% %% %% %% %%
and looking forward to it to......last time I saw a film in 3D was Reptilicus Vs Godzilla in 1964 or there abouts. {-) {-) {-)
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Same here. I'm fed up of the olympics too...
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Please dont use the o word. Im already fed up with this and its not yet started. John.
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Can't get enough , Titanic that is , stuff the Olympics
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I am still utterly amazed by the underwater images of the Titanic,and of other wrecks.Why should it now be forgotten,it happened and shouldnt have,and there was a great loss of life. Will we feel the same about the poor souls on the Royal Oak when the Centenary of her loss comes up in 2039,or will this generation have forgotten by then?
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A huge number of full size ships that have been lovingly modelled on these pages have suffered destruction and huge loss of life. From Hood and Bismarck to Cressy and the Lusitania, the list seems endless. That these are being carefully recreated in scale is a testitment to either ground breaking design, a key point in history, or just that the ship had a natural 'form follows function' beauty.
Maybe by building and dsicussing these ships we are honouring all those involved with the original vessels, and keeping alive the memory of those who served in them. Otherwise we'd only select ships to model with epitaphs such as "scrapped 1921".
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Definitely had enough of the titanic, if we had this amount of fuss made of every large loss of life we constantly have program's on about al sorts of disasters, they're not comig out with anything new just the same old cr@p again and again, as for re-releasing that god awful love story that just happened to take place on a ship called titanic....
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It's not the Titanic story or the programmes I'm sick of
it's all the beeping hype - on and on and on ..........
As for the 'O' I won't be tuning in but I'll be paying for some of it. <*<
Dave
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The BBC North West News is trying to claim Titanic as one of its own....even though she never went near the place. Last night they ran a story about the heroic band playing until the end, even though that was a myth perpetuated by James Cameron and his movie....Ridiculous. >>:-( >>:-(
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Will probably get lambasted for this by many, and I accept that it was a disaster that caused immense grief for many people as do all disasters, but I personally have never understood the fascination with Titanic. Badly designed, badly skippered, terrible movie (the James Cameron 'effort' not A Night to Remember of course) and not even a pretty graceful ship to look at. Titanic seems to have some monopoply on disasters at sea and the hype at the moment is just OTT. There have been many worse disasters that Titanic that get no attention whatsoever. Cant recall ever seeing much iin the way of media attention about RMS Lancastria or the Empress of Ireland. Lancastia had a total loss of life more than Titanic and Lousitania combined and Empress of Ireland lost more passenger lives than Titanic. The other difference was both these had some semblance of successful working lives unlike the Titanic.
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If they had not of made the somewhat rash "Unsinkable" claims, would it still be remembered the same way?
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I agree with you John, inasmuch as all this media coverage is giving these 'experts' >:-o more chances to come out with complete drivel. I'm getting bored with yelling at the telly/radio a la Victor Meldrew. Yesterday some lady on Radio 4 was telling of the lead up to the collision saying that the lookout saw the iceberg ahead and gave three strokes on the bell - Good I thought at least they got the bell strokes for right ahead correct only to be followed by a recording of a bell being rung on an old fire engine or similar to add dramatic effect and triggering my Meldrew impersonations again ! >>:-(
Will be heading up to Shields early May by the way and hope to get down to the club and see the lads, that is assuming the council havn't turned it into an adventure playground or something else ridiculous %% There goes Victor Meldrew again !
Mike
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Couldn't agree more, John. There's just no dignity left, is there?
DM
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If they had not of made the somewhat rash "Unsinkable" claims, would it still be remembered the same way?
Another myth: Neither the builders nor the owners made such claims before the event. This story was generated by the Press afterwards, as usual putting words into peoples mouths via misquoted interviews. Something like "With so many advanced safety features would you say that the ship was virtually unsinkable?"
The lifeboats issue annoys me too. The trend in international maritime safety rules in 1912 was on compartmentation, as keeping the ship afloat after collision (with a ship or rock) would save more lives. Titanic had more then the stipulated number of lifeboats, yet modern dramas keep showing crew worried about lack of boats. The killer factor was the intense cold, apparently not factored into a scenario that those in the water could hold onto the lifeboat rope loops until rescued. Major changes in martime safety laws invariably follow on from disaster investigations.
Sorry for the rant:
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Hi,
Well just to upset you further there is a new dvd:
Titanic-Nuclear Secrets.
Enjoy
Regards
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Titanic is just one of many incidents that catch the public imagination and generate a momentum all of their own such as the assassination of Kennedy, death of Diana, Rosewell Aliens etc. Titanic has in fact only become 'popular' during the last 25 years or so, particularly after the discovery of the wreck gave it a new lease of life (My God! It's still there - and we can see it!). Accordingly it becomes marketable so you get lots of books about it, some good others just repeats and a large number rubbish. After 2012 interest will almost certainly die down again, nobody bothers much about Diana now do they?
What I do find interesting is that whereas most ships have long and useful lives at the end of which they are broken up and only live on in picture, photos - and of course models - those which sank are still down there, deteriorated to a greater of lesser degree, but otherwise just as they were when they came to grief. Advances in diving techniques and underwater archaeology are making these 'time capsules' available to us. In the North Sea you can still see the rear turret of the battlecruiser Invincible with its two guns trained forever on the High Seas Fleet, the turret roof blown off when the magazines detonated while off Tripoli there is the extraordinary wreck of the Victorian battleship HMS Victoria stuck vertically in the seabed following her collision with HMS Camperdown. Hood and Bismarck are other examples and I'm sure there are many more to come.
Colin
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I agree with John, the saturation point has been reached but this bandwaggon is still rumbling on. The event was a tragic loss of life. I think our Colin's might have some data protection issues to consider. ;D
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Andyn - you beat me to it :-))
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Hi,
It was a shipbuilders magazine of the time that said the Titanic was practicably unsinkable.
The Press then left off the first word and the myth of the unsinkable ship began.
Regards
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Another myth: Neither the builders nor the owners made such claims before the event. This story was generated by the Press afterwards, as usual putting words into peoples mouths via misquoted interviews. Something like "With so many advanced safety features would you say that the ship was virtually unsinkable?"
The lifeboats issue annoys me too. The trend in international maritime safety rules in 1912 was on compartmentation, as keeping the ship afloat after collision (with a ship or rock) would save more lives. Titanic had more then the stipulated number of lifeboats, yet modern dramas keep showing crew worried about lack of boats. The killer factor was the intense cold, apparently not factored into a scenario that those in the water could hold onto the lifeboat rope loops until rescued. Major changes in martime safety laws invariably follow on from disaster investigations.
Sorry for the rant:
same with airliners as well...they build a plane...something goes wrong, they figure out what went wrong...and correct it for future generations
every crash is all over the papers for a short time, then it all fades into memory, but ultimatly makes flying safer
the titanic disaster ment all ships became safer ( number of lifeboats, atlantic ice patrol, + MANY other laws )
as for the titanic, ive seen to many documentaries now...half of them contradict each other, the other miss out a huge number of key points
although i did watch one based on the carpathia running to titanics aid which was good.
i just wish they would leave it to rest in peace ( and the relatives of survivors to get on with their lives )
as for the unsinkable, it was simply a word the press jumped on ( just like the false stories they printed as well )
my teacher once told me
scientist tells a journalist ' science results are useless when taken out of context'
jounalist reports in paper ' science results are useless' O0 O0 O0
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Definitely had enough of the titanic, if we had this amount of fuss made of every large loss of life we constantly have program's on about al sorts of disasters,
thought we had that with Hillsborough..........but then again that's another story........football..........say no more!!! 8)
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Titanic is just one of many incidents that catch the public imagination and generate a momentum all of their own
Colin has hit the nail on the head; there is a tip over point that once reached an event or the idea of it become a cultural icon.
However there are very many vested interests manipulating the public's perception - so it isn't an organic process.
In a few years we will have the Mayhem Meltdown of 2012 memorial service and the smash DVD 'A 504 To Remember'
Starring ???? as Martin
Dave
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On a side note, many years ago I was in the Carney wharf offices of a London newspaper and in a frame on the wall was a reproduction of the frontpage of the paper that announced the sinking to the world. Eerie.
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Did you see the one in the Daily Mail this week that a chap has built in his back garden, it is a monster.
Len.
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Yes I was just looking at it yesterday. Looking good pending a visit from local council jobsworths re"permission". He has a few other maritime artifacts and vessels non-Titanic. Pictures coming later,teas ready %%
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I was just wondering there - did they ever find the gash in the side of the Titanic; where the iceburg had hit? Have they solved that mystery yet? The one that really I would like to find out - on an Engineer's uniform he has gold braid on a purple background (round the cuff) I always was told that the purple represented the blood of the Titanic Engineer's - do we know if this is true? :-))
aye
John
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John,
I am certainly not sure if it is factual.
I was told a long time ago that Engineers were given Officer Rank due to the bravery of the Engineering Staff on board Titanic. Ie keeping the lights on until she actually sank.
I doubt it is true but an unusual tale.
Bob
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- did they ever find the gash in the side of the Titanic; where the iceburg had hit? aye
John
Both main undersea surveys tried to find the damage but that part of the hull is buried too deeply in the sea floor sediment. If only 4 compartments had been flooded instead or 7, and the watertight bulheads extended a deck higher . . .
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The Inverness Titanic builder, Stan Fraser, has just been interviewed on STV Grampian news. Seems the "Coonsil" wisny pleased. Here are some pictures taken from the canal bank yesterday. There is also a yellow submarine, a RNLI lifeboat , a fishing boat wheelhouse and various other maritime artifacts.
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I was just wondering there - did they ever find the gash in the side of the Titanic; where the iceburg had hit?
When the ship hit the bottom the hull was driven into the silt so the damaged area is hidden from view. However, it's probable that there wouldn't be much to see anyway as the available evidence suggests that the impact drove in the rivetted seams between the plates thus displacing them and creating long slits just a few inches wide. At 15 feet or so below the waterline the pressure is such that you don't need a very big hole to admit a lot of water very quickly and I think it has been demonstrated that this would be consistent with the rate at which the ship sank.
I think there have been some Sonar side scans trying to penetrate the silt to check the damage but with no results so far.
As far as the engineers are concerned this link is quite interesting and labels the 'purple' insignia as a myth. http://www.uco.es/~ff1mumuj/titanic1.htm
Colin
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Just read ,with great interest your article on Engineers ,Colin .quite good ,I myself was an Engineer Officer ,starting from Jnr 6 up to Senior 4th ,on various ships ,and on two occasions saw the watertight door coming down when i was down the tunnel ,the first time i knew it was a boat drill ,there fore i was not undult bothered ,second time ,we had been in collision and were in an emergency state ,,lots of people have no idea what an Engineers lot was ,the watch keeping ,the repaires on watch ,and of on field days ,pulling units in the hottest places on earth ,but it was a good life ,i saw the world as most did ,got into tricky situations as most did ,but what a life , cargo ships ,big passenger jobs ,tramping ,the lot ,a great 18 yrs .on steam and motor ,small and monsters ..13 hatch lakers up the plate bow first up ,stern first down ..
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Couldn't agree more Dave, I have just retired after 30 yrs as Ships Engineer.
From tugs to Worldwide Survey Ship.
Never involved in a collision but an Engine Room Fire.
Only on motor ships, but good pay, 6 months work a year, and on the ships I served on lots of leave.
Bob
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff - was it 6,00 or 9,00 lives lost?
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff - was it 6,00 or 9,00 lives lost?
9,000 not 900. (http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/Smileys/tumb.gif)
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http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/index.htm
good site - lots of info and loads of pics
Dave
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Ashamed to say, i have never heard of this ship.....but will read every word of that site now....Incredible and terribly sad. <:( <:(
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The Titanic also pales in significance when compared to the loss of the Lancastria which the majority of public are totally unaware of.
http://www.lancastria.org.uk/Victim_List/victim_list.html
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff - was it 6,00 or 9,00 lives lost?
I read about it yesterday on Pinch-of-Salt Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff)
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The Inverness Titanic builder, Stan Fraser, has just been interviewed on STV Grampian news. Seems the "Coonsil" wisny pleased. Here are some pictures taken from the canal bank yesterday. There is also a yellow submarine, a RNLI lifeboat , a fishing boat wheelhouse and various other maritime artifacts.
Cool..
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I read about it yesterday on Pinch-of-Salt Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff)
There was a documentary about it on the TV sometime ago. Now on youtube. (http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/Smileys/tumb.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufWAflyB88&feature=related
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The BBC North West News is trying to claim Titanic as one of its own....even though she never went near the place. Last night they ran a story about the heroic band playing until the end, even though that was a myth perpetuated by James Cameron and his movie....Ridiculous. >>:-( >>:-(
The ship's home port was Liverpool - maybe had something to do with it %)
What myth >>:-(
You do realise there were several films about the Titanic before James Cameron's effort ok2 and they all show the band playing at the end - as stated by survivors :-))
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Ashamed to say, i have never heard of this ship.....but will read every word of that site now....Incredible and terribly sad. <:( <:(
Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???
The Titanic also pales in significance when compared to the loss of the Lancastria which the majority of public are totally unaware of.
Both the Wilhelm Gustloff and the Lancastria were casualties of war - not exactly in the same class of accident as the Titanic were they >:-o
Mark.
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Saves sinking yer toy boat when the ponds frozen :-))
Regards Ian.
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Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???
If you were interested in shipping, naval or military history you would probably have heard of it but not otherwise. The Gustloff sinking took place against a background of even more horriffic events in the closing stages of WW2 in Eastern Europe.
Colin
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Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???
The most learned of experts started off by not knowing - so it's what you do with new input that's important.
Dave
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The most learned of experts started off by not knowing - so it's what you do with new input that's important, Grasshopper.
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Here is a link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128193/Titanic-fans-1-10-scale-replica-doomed-liner-opens-public-garden--sunk-council-planners.html
Len.
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Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???
Both the Wilhelm Gustloff and the Lancastria were casualties of war - not exactly in the same class of accident as the Titanic were they >:-o
Mark.
If I was to reply as I thought, I would get banned. Out of respect for the forum, and those that died in these tragedies,I will ignore your comments..
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If I was to reply as I thought, I would get banned. Out of respect for the forum, and those that died in these tragedies,I will ignore your comments..
Oh please do, as I'd really like to hear why my comments are found to be so offensive by you!
Mark.
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I don't think that you can compare the deliberate sinking of ships in a war,
to an accidental sinking in peacetime.
Regards
Richard
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ten out of ten for effort, but sadly the council will no doubt close it down which would be a pitty as it looks great
davdj %% %% :police: :-X
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I don't think that you can compare the deliberate sinking of ships in a war,
to an accidental sinking in peacetime.
Regards
Richard
That was my point Richard.
Mark.
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hi ya there Richtea
I totally agree with your statement there, about trying to compare the two.
One is virtually a deliberate sinking and the other supposedly by accident.
What makes me question a lot of things, not only about the Titanic - but other disasters of the sea - is the documentation which is released to the public. Just sat and partly watched a documentary on Discovery about the hospital ships sinkings in the First World War; where the British Government flatly denied that any hospital ship carried any form of munitions/weaponry and yet - there has been a diary handed in to a Museum (from I believe a nurse or ships doctor) where it is stated in that diary that whilst in London, certain armaments were loaded aboard a hospital ship.
If you think about it, the entry in the diary must be pretty truthful - on the other hand (even to this day) still deny that any ship carried any form of arms - so what truth have the authorities held back about the Titanic? Will we ever find out?
aye
john
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John,
I think that all the facts about the Titanic are pretty much now in the public domain but they are all mixed up with opinions and inaccuracies that were peddled at the time and subsequently.
As for wartime, well, who knows what actually occurred then under conditions of secrecy. The hospital ships were sailing out to Gallipoli more or less empty with just the medical staff onboard so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone, somewhere, thought it might be a good idea to use them to transport war materials while they were at it. I suspect we shall never know as it would have been covered up at the time.
There is still speculation that the Lusitania was carrying ammunition when she was torpedoed which accounts for the second explosion and rapid sinking of the ship, but others say that the second blast was either coal dust igniting or a boiler exploding. Who knows?
Colin
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to anyone one interested and there must be some one.Tommorrow Sunday at 12 noon there is a service at the Titanic memorial at the Pierhead Liverpool ,the memorial was erected with help from the merchant MARINE Engineers ,dedicated to ,not only Titanic,s Engineers ,but All seafaring Engineers ....hope i,ve said that right ,,,anyway it will be quite a dedication ,and together with the men from Liverpool who went down ,it really is a must for the Titanic enthusiast .
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- so what truth have the authorities held back about the Titanic? Will we ever find out?
This underlines that Titanic has moved beyond fact into legend, and finally towards myth. Once the 'dry facts' have been embellished beyond what programme makers need to add to the story, and previous documentary errors are constantly retold, we tread the dangerous waters of conjecture and conspiracy theories to create 'new slants' instead of just remakes of existing data.
Roswell, Loch Ness, Pyramid theories, and Flight 19. Eventally the myth replaces actual events and becomes firmly cemented in consciousness.
eg: Just look at Walt Disney's retelling of Robin Hood. I bet this is the version most kids bring to mind if asked.
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I've been thinking about this war versus accident issue. If we can set aside those connected with an event
and just look at an event then it still isn't simple. A Tsunami with massive loss of life is a tragedy but is also
unnavoidable. An act of war is deliberate - but is it any more deliberate than say the National Coal Boards
actions pre/post Aberfan? Is it any more deliberate than governments who refuse to look at our planets pollution?
More deliberate than the global food and drug companies absolute greed?
If I say to that 'I dunno really I'm just a bloke' how much blame do I carry for not getting educated and involved?
Dave
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If anyone in NI could record this for me....
SOS: The Titanic Inquiry - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g97gf
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I Was at the Service today ,at the Memorial to the Engine Room staff of Titanic ,it was quite well attended ,and very dignified with the Choir singing ,and a good service to remember.The Memorial had been cleaned up well for this event ,and I,M sure there will be documentation to record this ,I,m glad to have attended .
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If anyone in NI could record this for me....
SOS: The Titanic Inquiry - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g97gf
Will it be available on the iPlayer in England...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01g97gf/SOS_The_Titanic_Inquiry/
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I though this was terrible, Len was anyway! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g7nwb
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Sorry, folks - factor of 10 is an unusually large error even for me. And the skipper of the russian submarine that sank it was sent off to the gulag. (man who knew too much?)
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We have not been immune to the Titanic on TV here, either, with both Pay and free to air TV running Titanic related programs all day yesterday. I watched some of them and found them to be very interesting, although some are affected by so called "artistic licence". For those of you who are fed up with the coverage I offer a simple solution - change channels or turn your TV off. Similarly with the upcoming London Olympics, if you don't like it, don't watch it. I will be watching as much of it as the time difference will allow, courtesy of the pay TV dedicated channels. I was lucky enough to go to the Sydney Olympics in 2000 and would love to be able to go to those in London, but will have to settle for the TV coverage.
Peter.
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Hi Peter
It's not a case of objecting to the actual programmes. It's just that they advertise them continuously
for weeks in advance, and even though I am not watching the tv (my wife is) it's beginning to grate
more than a little.
Dave
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I understand what you're saying, Dave, but that's no different to most "big" events on TV. The pre-broadcast advertising can become very persistent..and annoying.
Peter.
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I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with the Titanic but I have recorded most of the programmes that have been on and will be viewing them at my leisure in the coming days.
I must admit however that the adverts are becoming tiresome.
Ali
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Does anyone remember the Phillipiine Ferry La Dona Paz, that collided with the Oil Tanker MT Ranger On December 20, 1987, at 0630H? Both vessels burned and sank within 2 hours of each other. The ferry was able to carry 1,424 passengers but a revised manifest released on December 23, 1987, showed 1,583 passengers and 58 crew members.
However, an anonymous official of Sulpicio Lines told UPI that extra tickets were usually purchased illegally aboard the ship at a cheaper rate, and those passengers were not listed on the manifest.[4] The same official added that holders of complimentary tickets and non-paying children below the age of four were likewise not listed on the manifest... With only 24 Dona Paz survivors pulled from the Sea , I respectfully submit that THIS qualifies as the worst Peace Time Mairtime Diaster of the all.
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yes i remember that incident ,horrible .
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How did the davits on Titanic work?
what is the geometry?
And what happened to the lifeboats afterwards?
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Oh, found these for the davits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cxAwk7tToA
http://youtu.be/RDPsSoVMJZ4
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I believe the lifeboats were reused on other ships as there was such a shortage after the disaster.
Ali
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Hi Ali
Now I'm wondering if they had to be used again on one of those ships too?
Dave
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Hi Ali
Now I'm wondering if they had to be used again on one of those ships too?
Dave
Saw this Dave and thought of you mate {-) %% {:-{
Peter
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Gee, thanks Peter
Promotion to a Dummy !!!
I've been just a Thicko' for far too long.
.......... nice one mate. {-)
Dave
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For those of you who haven't had a "belly full", here is a free Titanic Screensaver %% %% Only available until 08:00 BST on 30th April
Barrie
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/
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Give away is useless, doesn't show it sinking. >>:-(
Regards Ian.
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Just the Olympics to get past now - then I suppose there will be some football thing or something equally uninteresting to annoy us old groaners. Masterchef probably! >:-o
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And Euro kickballs 2012
After Wombledon >:-o >:-
Ned
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Drat! Forgot about the Wombles! {:-{
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On a more positive note
1. What do we like?
2. What would we like that isn't out there? .......... Like instead of 'Beetle Crisis' 'Huntsman Crisis' sort of thing O0
Dave............ or Medication Swapshop ..... er maybe not :police:
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On a more positive note
1. What do we like?
2. What would we like that isn't out there? .......... Like instead of 'Beetle Crisis' 'Huntsman Crisis' sort of thing O0
Dave............ or Medication Swapshop ..... er maybe not :police:
Pimp my perkassa perhaps?
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I was out on customer site earlier today, spotted this rather nice model languishing in a dusty hall way ...
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Tell us You didn't buy it Mr D %% %% %%
Ned
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That's a rather good example. I hope they're looking after it well.
Ken
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Have to agree the Titanic has been ruthlessly exploited I just hope HMS Titanic Inc does not start selling the artifacts it has raised from the site. I went to the first exhibition at the National Maritime Museum, I've always been interested in the ship ever since childhood but nothing hit me more than actually seeing things that have been raised from the ship it made a big impact on me. The Titanic was a ! in history. The disaster came from out of the blue to the largest moving man-made object on earth with some of the richest/famous people and the poorest. It was also the first mass- media event with news being reported by wireless around the world. She was also a beautiful ship and well built with care at the largest shipyard in the world. It was a kick up the backside for a complacent era and things would never be the same again. How the heck could a lump of frozen water sink a ship like that on its maiden voyage?! It has become a classic and alluring story, perhaps also matched in some ways to the story of another ship on its maiden voyage and also done to death in books and other mediums- the Bismarck.
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Well here is a question for you, who on this forum has writtena book on the Titanic
Dave
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Bruce Beveridge
Leo Marriot
Nick Barratt
Violet Jessop
ColonelArchibold Grace
John p Eaton
Charles a Hass
Daniel Klistorner
Steve Hall
Rupert Mathews
Haynes manuals
Beau Riffenburgh
Dr Robert Ballard
That's shelf 1 on my collection, but I haven't written anything myself. %)
Ken
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Ok I will put you all out of your Miserey,it is our own STEAMBOAT PHIL
Dave
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Ok I will put you all out of your Miserey,it is our own STEAMBOAT PHIL
Dave
"How to have a fry up with flash Steam" :}
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What was the name of his book?
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This is a real DVD, not a joke....
http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Titanic-DVD-Sybille-Schmitz/dp/B008TQPW5A/ref=pd_sim_d_h__1 (http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Titanic-DVD-Sybille-Schmitz/dp/B008TQPW5A/ref=pd_sim_d_h__1)
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whatever it is the link wont open?
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Try this one
www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Titanic-DVD-Sybille-Schmitz/dp/B008TQPW5A/ref=pd_sim_d_h__1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Titanic-DVD-Sybille-Schmitz/dp/B008TQPW5A/ref=pd_sim_d_h__1)
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thanks,that one works!
Mick F
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Anyone else on here like the children (!) TV series, Horrible Histories?
Watch this tonight - scroll forwards to about 10:20 - some interesting facts I didn't know!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b021tcx6/horrible-histories-series-5-episode-2 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b021tcx6/horrible-histories-series-5-episode-2)