Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: srcampb on August 30, 2012, 07:06:07 pm
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Does anyone have any details about what changes, if any, were made to these units when built compared to those previously used by the RNLI?
Thanks!
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I think some of them were lengthened for a start!, and not just the 52' and 54' boats that we are used to.
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Nick Leach's book on the Aruns says that the Canadian-built Aruns were 53 feet in length, with the first of ten being a steel boat, Bickerton (built in the UK) while the other 9 were aluminium. It doesn't say what any other modifications are, just that they had only 4 crew.
Andrew
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Having just searched the net, I found this:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/7b59afec278687b121a9d157bd8a6f08.jpg)
They are based on the later, flat-panel aluminium superstructures, have far bigger masts fitted, all the toe boards and spray rails are different and various other little differences.
Andrew
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Is the superstructure so different that it would be impractical to use the Models by Design component, which I think I read is based on an earlier, rounded GFP deckhouse?
Love the boat, and I'm head over heels about the colour scheme.. but I want to build it right.
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Neil & Andrew, you both being our resident lifeboat experts, how much information do you both have on these boats & are there drawings, kits or hulls available anywhere, I have never seen one before & I love the paint scheme & the large mast ?.Now there is a nice build for you Neil & I am sure all Canadian modellers would be thrilled if you built one (in your spare time, LOL.) Mick B.
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I think I've already found a source for the graphics:
http://www.callie-graphics.com/index.php
They've made up the lettering for a CGC 47' MLB and i'll bet they could enlarge it to fit the Aruns
(http://s10.postimage.org/in52otq45/CGC_graphics_47_mlb.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/in52otq45/)
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Building a later boat using the earlier superstructure has definitely been done, but when you compare the two there is a significant difference.
Personally, I think there is enough of a difference to warrant building a new superstructure, for the simple reason that the GRP top was only fitted to 7 boats, and it's just inaccurate to fit it on any other boat.
I don't really have much information on them, and I don't think anyone produces a hull or a kit of them but I don't think it would be too difficult to modify the Models By Design hull with the Canadian modifications, the flat panel superstructure shouldn't be too difficult to build from the R.N.L.I. plans and the mast you could probably work out the dimensions of by comparing the photos of the standard Arun masts with these photos.
Of course, you could just ask the CCG, they may provide plans to modellers.
Andrew
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Sometimes it's easier to go straight to the owners, you may find something interesting...
I've just been checking the CCG website's fleet list, and found several things.
1: Boats number 4 and 5 don't seem to be on there,
2: Bickerton, number 1, was GRP not steel,
3: only number 9, Sambro, is 53ft, while the others are 52ft
This is the area of modelling I love, the research. It always brings up conundrums and questions :-)
Andrew
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hi
i have a mbd arun in process and the rounded superstructure us significantly different in shape to later arun's 52-11 onwards aluminium superstructure, the later "square" superstructure is mainly flat sided and relatively easy to make and would look the part when completed. i love the ccg livery and was tempted to finish mine in this or the aussie coastal patrol colours, but in the end it had to be orange and blue,
good luck with the build
Greg
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Aha!
I forgot all about getting the RNLI plans for a new superstructure.. This would be my first lifeboat, but I've scratch built everything up to a 1/48 RN WW2 destroyer, so how hard could a superstructure be? (!!)
Don't throw any spears this way, just kidding. I'll bet it will be some kind of challenge, especially for a first lifeboat! And ESPECIALLY to come anywhere even close to the workmanship I've seen on many of the finished models on here..
So, I'll start asking the other questions I have. Looks like Speedline can make a set of Arun class windows- I really like how those look, would they be usable in the new superstructure?
This would be the plan- MBD hull, scratchbuilt superstructure off RNLI plans, Speedline accessories, electric power somewhere between 12 and 24 volts.
What do the experts think- am I headed the right direction?
Thanks again for all the help!
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No problem, that's what we're here for :-)
The Speedline Arun windows are designed for the GRP top, and aren't the same as those on the aluminium superstructure. The later windows were all smaller than the earlier ones so unfortunately they won't fit a new superstructure. The superstructure itself should not be too difficult.
The MBD hull is scale above the waterline, but it lacks the partial tunnels that the Aruns had (If I were you, I wouldn't bother putting tunnels in - you can't see them when you sail the boat, and only anoraks will ever know). The spray rails will need modifying to those of the Canadian boats.
One of the threads on this forum has a link to the order form for R.N.L.I. plans.
I'll leave recommendations on power and motors and such to someone who knows about them - that's not my area of expertise :-))
Andrew
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Have a look at macs mouldings as martin does big scale fittings and he doessome lifeboat windows,i have lost the booklet,but look up macs mouldings and martin is very helpful and could help you out with some fittings.baloo
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Will do, Thanks Baloo.
Or, maybe I'll get a Speedline Severn or Tamar class kit and do a next generation CCG lifeboat- "what they might build/ buy when their Aruns wear out".
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Well, I've looked around for a week or so, and can't find anything to build that I like as well as the Canadian CG Arun's- exept maybe their 47' motor life boats, which is another whole story.
So, it's to be a scratchbuilt job, keel to truck. First things first- it looks like the RNLI has a docking plan, but no hull lines plan for an Arun. Does anyone know of a source for those? NMM, perhaps?
Thanks, all.
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I might have lines for 52-02 Sir William Arnold, somewhere, but can't promise.............will have a look.
neil.
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Neil, Thank You!
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Hi,
sorry to disappoint, but I had a look through all my plans today, and must have given the lines of my arun away......all I have for the arun are the GA's for 52 -02 which was experimental.
I have the trent lines and ga. and the interceptor 42' lines, but no arun, sorry.
neil.
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Thanks for looking, Neil- it was worth a shot!
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funnily enough yesterday the RNLI announced that the Canadian Coast guard have purchased the rights to use the Severn hull.
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that must have brought a few bob into the RNLI coffers!
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Here's the press release:
http://rnli.org/NewsCentre/Pages/New-Canadian-lifeboat-to-use-RNLI-hull-design.aspx
Andrew
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Well, doesn't that figure.. I had given up on the project and started a 47' CCG hull and then this! :-)
Decisions, decisions. Maybe I could finish the Cape class before the Severn-based units arrive?
(http://s13.postimage.org/49k5x1war/P1010008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/49k5x1war/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/nse6t0jjx/P1010009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nse6t0jjx/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/lsxl1lp8d/P1010010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lsxl1lp8d/)
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do you know if the CCG have more than one length of "47ft" cruiser???
the fleet listing shows a few as 13.9m and a few as 14.6m thats some significant difference
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I thought they were all on the 14.6m (47'11") Textron hull. You're right, the 13.9 m measurement is significantly smaller- a designed waterline measurement instead of length overall?
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Just a point about the arun,have a look at models-by-design(andy) he does a hull & superstructure for the arun 1-12 scale.Martin