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Title: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 14, 2013, 10:09:02 pm: hey guys I was going through the show pictures here and found this torpedo boat in the pictures below does anyone have any info on it or know where I can find plans for it?
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/shows2012/Blackpool/images/Blackpool_236.JPG)
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/shows2012/Blackpool/images/Blackpool_240.JPG)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 14, 2013, 10:19:11 pm: Ah ha I have one of them and it is a Straight runner ... it is a 1890 gunboat ...as soon as I get into the shed tomorrow I iwll post some more info I know Steam Boat Phil has some info on it

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 14, 2013, 10:21:19 pm: Great Thanks it looks interesting and is something you don't see over here on this side of the pond. I thought it would be a fun build.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 14, 2013, 10:37:35 pm: How about putting where you from on your proflie

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 14, 2013, 10:43:30 pm: Good idea as I don't think you are on this side of the pond {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 15, 2013, 02:27:25 am: there ya go Norfolk just not the one you guys are used to
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 15, 2013, 02:36:23 am: Aha, you are at the top of the pond on the other side %) %) %)
Title: Re: can anyone i.d. this early torpedo boat model
Post by: ardarossan on January 15, 2013, 11:19:53 am: Quote from: hazegry on January 14, 2013, 10:09:02 pm
hey guys I was going through the show pictures here and found this torpedo boat in the pictures below does anyone have any info on it or know where I can find plans for it?

The model looks like 1889 (Yarrow) Torpedo Boat No.85. If so, there is a plan (maybe) by David Metcalf, MM1381, available through MyHobbyStore, or via The Model Dockyard.

Unfortunately, the MyHobbyStore website is unreliable, and along with (at least) the last 3 issues of the Aero & Boat Plans Magazine, remains a Catalogue of Errors, some of them glaringly so. >>:-(

Therefore, I thoroughly recommend doing your homework, before placing an order, especially as you are on the other side of The Pond. Links for both outlets below.

http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/16877/torpedo-boat-85-mm1381 (http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/16877/torpedo-boat-85-mm1381)
http://www.model-dockyard.com/acatalog/model-boat-magazine-MTB_s.html (http://www.model-dockyard.com/acatalog/model-boat-magazine-MTB_s.html)

There are also several illustrations of early Torpedo Boats, (including T.85) by the late Joe Hinds (of Richmond, Va.) at; http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoZHinds.htm
(http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoZHinds.htm)
And along similar lines, have you looked at USS Cushing TB-1? There's a image of the full-size at: http://www.cityofart.net/bship/uss_cushing_qtr_grande.jpg (http://www.cityofart.net/bship/uss_cushing_qtr_grande.jpg), and a really nice scratch-built model on display at the Naval War College Museum, Rhode Island, here: http://navalwarcollegemuseum.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/artifact-spotlight-model-of-uss-cushing.html (http://navalwarcollegemuseum.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/artifact-spotlight-model-of-uss-cushing.html)

Andy
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 15, 2013, 09:13:43 pm: Wow allot of great info and allot of cool boats thanks Andy.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: PICKETBOAT on January 16, 2013, 12:39:06 pm: Hazegry

Yes I can confirm it's an earlier Yarrow twin tube vessel. I talked to the owner at the show who had bought it as built. I think it was 1/24 th scale.
Don't be put off building a working version by modellers who say they are to "tender". I built a 125ft Yarrow TB at 1/48th and as long as you are VERY careful keeping the deck weight down and keeping the weight (batteries) low in the bilges they are fine.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 16, 2013, 02:43:34 pm: Thanks I am thinking I will make it so it has a sub hatchthat is taped like the go fast boats then fit the superstructure with strong magnets that should make it sea worthy even if it tends to roll on the sides in a turn.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 16, 2013, 09:05:32 pm: Well it Definatly is NOT a Yarrow at all,If you look at the pic of the original in the first posting and compare it to the pic of the Yarrow you will see it is totally different in Fact it is a Second Class T 86 By John Thornycroft 1884...How do I know this well I have one as well and it was Built with Plans supplied by the National Maritine Museum in Grenwich.
The model I have was built by Steam Boat Phil's Father as a Straight runner.

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3727.0;attach=9441;image)

Also look here as well

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3727.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3727.0)

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: PICKETBOAT on January 16, 2013, 09:19:11 pm: Stavros

I stand corrected.
A point of interest, it's very difficult to obtain plans of some Yarrow vessels. The records at NMM are much more complete for Thornycroft vessels as all their old records were donated fairly complete as "The Thornycroft Collection" whereas all (the majority)of Yarrows records went up in smoke when Clydebank was bombed in WW2
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 16, 2013, 09:54:05 pm: I am thinking I am going to have to build this boat the more I look at it I wish that other build thread had been finished. I need to check out some of the info you guys have posted and think about how I am going to do this it will be my first scratch build if I go ahead and do this.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: ardarossan on January 16, 2013, 10:16:48 pm: Stavros & PicketBoat,

If you haven't already, could you both cast an eye over the links I added, and suggest where they fit into things please, as there seems to be something amiss somewhere.

The MyHobbystore David Metcalf plan is titled as Torpedo Boat 85, and I've just noticed that the descrition also says Thorneycroft. The accompanying illustration is the same as the model in the OP, and also matches the drawing posted by Stavros.
The David Metcalf plan also gets mentioned in the build link posted by Stavros, although, according to PB, the model is apparently confirmed as a Yarrow by the owner (albeit, he didn't buld it).

The illustration by naval artist Joe Hinds, via the link to the naval-history.net website I posted, is shown as 1889 H.M. Torpedo Boat T.85 - It matches the photo in the OP, the illustration accompanying MHS MM1381, the image of the plan visible in Stav's build link, and also the 3/4-view drawing titled Thornycroft (is this from a Russian site?) .

However, here's the rub, I can't find any other reference to support T85 or TB85 being built in 1889 as indicated by Joe Hinds title, although I did find reference to a series of 6 Torpedo Boats being built in 1884 of which one was designated T85 (or variation of), but not as being built by Thornycroft.

Any thought, ideas, or links to positive reference would be great for the sake of peace of mind and sanity's sake. %%

Andy
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: PICKETBOAT on January 16, 2013, 10:45:22 pm: Adross

Sorry if it's me that's causing the confusion. When I talked to the current owner of the TB model at Blackpool Model Boat Show, I was sure that he said it was a Yarrow vessel, and I just took it on face value. It was a couple of years back and may be my memory is playing tricks.
Researching these vessels is a real pain. The Navy decided to change a lot of the designation numbers as time went on (and new vessels were added and old ones worn out). They may have re designated numbers more than once so the numbering gets very complicated if you don't have access to the original records.
Don't let all this detract from the fact that they are great subjects and do sail very well if constructed with care.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 16, 2013, 11:28:30 pm: Adross YOU are right in thinking that they are the same Boats as in David Metcalfe's plans as you can see in the following link No 85 and 96 are they same boat just no is different.The Nz Maritime link is interesting to say the least.I bet Hazegry never thought this would turn into such a reasearch marathon {-) {-) {-)

But We can safely say we got there in the end

http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats (http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats)

http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm)

http://navalistica.com/index.php/royal-navy-united-kingdom/21-ukdd/352-4504-tb76-2nd-class-torpedo-boats-1882-1883 (http://navalistica.com/index.php/royal-navy-united-kingdom/21-ukdd/352-4504-tb76-2nd-class-torpedo-boats-1882-1883)

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 17, 2013, 11:21:37 am: Your right Stavros I didn't think it would be a grand adventure but now I really think it would be a neat boat to model. I will order the plans soon T85 is coming to America!
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: ardarossan on January 17, 2013, 03:45:09 pm: Quote from: Stavros on January 16, 2013, 11:28:30 pm
Adross YOU are right in thinking that they are the same Boats as in David Metcalfe's plans as you can see in the following link No 85 and 96 are they same boat just no is different.The Nz Maritime link is interesting to say the least.I bet Hazegry never thought this would turn into such a reasearch marathon {-) {-) {-)

But We can safely say we got there in the end

http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats (http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats)

http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm)

http://navalistica.com/index.php/royal-navy-united-kingdom/21-ukdd/352-4504-tb76-2nd-class-torpedo-boats-1882-1883 (http://navalistica.com/index.php/royal-navy-united-kingdom/21-ukdd/352-4504-tb76-2nd-class-torpedo-boats-1882-1883)

Dave

It might be a bit of a marathon (aren't they called Snickers now?!), but if it provides some conclusive answers for current, and future modllers, it's got to be a good thing.

Actually, the links you provided have opened up a couple of new avenues of investigation, which answer some points, and creating a few more...

First, I must apologise as I can see that information I posted initially was misleading because I added the word 'Yarrow' in brackets ahead of the details of the plan. Having already picked up on the T.85 (or TB-85) designation from the Joe Lines illustration, and not for a moment considering that it may have been applied to more than one boat.
This factor is fairly obvious though, when following the rulebrittannia.pbworks.com (http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats) link (image below). In fact, there are several other doubled-up of designation numbers,which is also worth being aware of, e.g. Two TB96's, with one being shown as a Yarrow, and the other one a White.

(http://s20.postimage.org/f7v8n6knh/British_Torpedo_Boats_png.png)
http://rulebritannia.pbworks.com/w/page/4577683/British%20Torpedo%20boats

Which reminds me, I wasn't sure which link was supposed to take me to " see in the following link No 85 and 96 are they same boat just no (number) is different.", although I found a link to several museums in New Zealand Museums of Banks Peninsula (http://www.ccc.govt.nz/cityleisure/artsculture/museums.aspx), which also included a 'pdf-file' of a (partial) Vessel Plan (http://resources.ccc.govt.nz/files/TorpedoBoatPlan-artsculture.pdf) which might be of use to some people (err, Mr Hazegry, that'll be you :-)) ) - enjoy!

Andy
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 17, 2013, 04:41:20 pm: The drawing is interesting it shows a retractible boom like the earlier torpedo boats used instead of the twin torp tubes so maybe they were fitted after? I like the look of the torpedos on the deck and the torpedo tubes coming through the bow so I am going to include them. I may also widen the beam a hair and use a lead bulb keel to improve stability.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model (Thornycroft Torpedo Boat)
Post by: ardarossan on January 17, 2013, 07:06:34 pm: Quote from: hazegry on January 17, 2013, 04:41:20 pm
The drawing is interesting it shows a retractible boom like the earlier torpedo boats used instead of the twin torp tubes so maybe they were fitted after? I like the look of the torpedos on the deck and the torpedo tubes coming through the bow so I am going to include them. I may also widen the beam a hair and use a lead bulb keel to improve stability.

I think I found some info' about that a little earlier today, care of one of the links Stav' provided - http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm) - as it throws the name 'Defender' into the mix.
A quick internet surf turns up Wikipaedia page for a 'Defender class torpedo boat,' with additional information including the names of the four New Zealand boats (Defender, Taiaroa, Waitemata, and Poneke).

For armament it says; "As built the (first two of the) class was armed with a single McEvoy spar torpedo, which was designed to be rammed into a vessel and explode beneath the waterline.... ...The last pair had 18-inch Whitehead torpedoes fitted at build, and these were later retrofitted to Defender and Taiaroa"

As always with Wikipaedia, it has it's limitations and part of it should be disregard as it falls down when compared to the information in Stav's N.Z. link and the images of the preserved example.

The N.Z. link shows an original photo of the full-size boat with a flat foredeck and the fitment of a spar torpedo. It matches the remains of the preserved example, and the display model of the preserved example - both at the The Lyttelton Thornycroft Torpedo Boat Museum, N.Z.

The second photo is of a boat that retains a flat foredeck, shows no apparent modification to the bow, but is carrying 'regular' torpedos on rack(s) fitted amidships, which is supported by an explanation, stating;
"1886 The spar torpedoes were replaced with Whitehead mobile torpedoes, which could be launched from the torpedo boats by means of dropping gear amidships. However the narrow hull remained stable only if both torpedoes were dropped simultaneously."

Finally, the image showing the bow section of the preserved example (Defender), also indicates that no modifications were made to the bow for the launching of torpedos. Therefore, I think we can safely assume that the latter part of the Wikipaedia information is eroneous in the detail of the modification, although the originating author was aware to some degree that a modification had occured to at least one of the 'Spar' boats.

Consequently, I'm be inclined to believe that the first two boats were fitted with a Spar Torpedo, and were later upgraded with the side-mounted torpedo racks, and the later two boats, were built with the forward torpedo ramp, launching the torpedos through the bow tubes, as shown on the David Metcalf plan, the Joe Hinds illustration, Stav's illustration, and the photo of the model in the orignal post of this thread.

Andy

Links for reference:
Museums of Banks Peninsula, N.Z:http://www.ccc.govt.nz/cityleisure/artsculture/museums.aspx (http://www.ccc.govt.nz/cityleisure/artsculture/museums.aspx)
Thornycroft Torpedo Boat Museum, Lyttelton, N.Z:http://www.lytteltonheritage.co.nz (http://www.lytteltonheritage.co.nz)
Wikipaedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_class_torpedo_boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_class_torpedo_boat)
PDF Vessel Plan: http://resources.ccc.govt.nz/files/TorpedoBoatPlan-artsculture.pdf (http://resources.ccc.govt.nz/files/TorpedoBoatPlan-artsculture.pdf)

(http://s20.postimage.org/4o8a1az2l/Thornycroft_1.jpg)
Source: http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm)

(http://s20.postimage.org/5hkvtx53h/Thornycroft_4_Scale_Model.jpg)
Source: http://www.ccc.govt.nz/cityleisure/artsculture/museums.aspx (http://www.ccc.govt.nz/cityleisure/artsculture/museums.aspx)

(http://s20.postimage.org/4e0rhykgd/Thornycroft_3.jpg)
Source: http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm)

(http://s20.postimage.org/nmxu7z4lp/Thornycroft_Defender_class.png)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Defender_class_torpedo_boat.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Defender_class_torpedo_boat.jpg)

(http://s20.postimage.org/lq143edxp/Thornycroft_2.jpg)
Source: http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm (http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/thornycroft.htm)

(http://s20.postimage.org/5vm7tip71/Thornycroft_TB85_Joe_Hinds.png)
Source: http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoZHinds.htm (http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoZHinds.htm)

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3727.0;attach=9441;image)
Source: Model Boat Mayhem Topic - Victorian 2nd Class Torpedo Boat (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3727.0)

(http://s20.postimage.org/4vvwxta19/Blackpool_236.png)
Source: Model Boat Mayhem - Blackpool Show 2012 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/shows2012/Blackpool/index.html) (Image cropped)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: PICKETBOAT on January 17, 2013, 07:25:05 pm: adross

I see that you are discovering what I discovered about the very confusing numbering of these vessels.

I would treat the "Rule Britannia" list with caution. I see that it shows TB75 as being in service and finally broken up between 1919 and 1923 whereas I know it was lost in collision in 1892! There are other errors too.

I found the image of the preserved and very rusty bows of the torpedo boat fascinating.

The spar torpedoes seem to have been in use alongside the locomotive (Whithead type) for a while. One assumes that the former were less expensive and fickle. As the range and speed of the Whiteheads increased the spar type was made redundant. There was also a weight and stability issue, with carrying two thundering great torpedoes on a smaller TB.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: ardarossan on January 17, 2013, 08:01:48 pm: PICKETBOAT,

Aye, it's all a bit hit and miss isn't it? Don't worry though, I don't trust reference implicitly until it can be corroborated, although even dodgy reference can provide clues.

I posted all the images so that they illustrate a progression of sorts. Hopefully, with all the links on here now, the thread will also be of use to someone in the future, especially if any of the sites listed are reconfigured and the direct connections disappear.

We've just got to trust hazegry to build one now, and then put some pictures up to complete the circle!

Andy
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 17, 2013, 10:44:01 pm: Adross I never expected to get this much info so thanks to everyone for the assistance. I started this off thinking it was a british ship but now its a NZ ship that doesn't change my desire to build it if anything it makes it more unique and I like that.
Now as far as building what scale would you guys go with? I can handle 6 feet in my van no problem so I am thinking somewhere between 5-6 feet I would like to be able to purchase fittings such as chains stanchions and the like. I would like to show off the rivets and plating of the model and weather it just a bit.
For stability I am thinking about using a sailboat keel or even 2 of them under the hull or I could build a large whitehead torpedo and weight it heavily with lead and use earth magnets to make it easy to attach and detach from the hull. I could also use it as a display while the boat is sitting on the table at static display shows. I could widen the boat but don't want to alter the looks of it so I think that's out.
For watertight integrity I am thinking of putting a hidden sub hatch in the boat so I can tape that down and totally seal the boat then put the superstructure on and again use magnets to help keep it secure. This way even if it rolls heavily in turns I don't have to worry about the boat flooding.
Again I really appreciate you guys helping me out :-))
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 17, 2013, 10:54:31 pm: NO NO NO you do not need anything underneath this model NOT AT ALL I will tomorrow night take some Pics of MINE annd measure the lenght of it etc and post them on here for you to see etc.

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: vnkiwi on January 17, 2013, 11:04:56 pm: Andy & all,
nicely researched.
Thanks for the link's.
I've actually been to the museum in Lyttleton, and photographed the remains, the model and the engine, with a view to drawing it all up in the future.
cheers
vnkiwi
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 17, 2013, 11:07:07 pm: Stavros does yours handle ok with out it? if the boat doesn't need it that's fine with me its less work lol.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Stavros on January 17, 2013, 11:13:28 pm: Yes it does it is a straight runner and tbh with you it goes really really well handling the chop very well,seriously I can not see a problem with it at all

Dave
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 18, 2013, 12:45:07 am: ok I took straight runner to mean it does fine as long as you don't try to take turns at more than a slow crawl I am glad it doesn't need it.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 18, 2013, 06:08:09 am: Dave,

That raises a good point.

Am under the misapprehension that a straight runner refers to those 'fast' boats that are generally launched into the water with engine at full speed and run in a straight line as the rudder is fixed dead ahead.

However does straight runner also mean a craft that is very, very, fast going straight ahead but still able to manoeuvre.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: PICKETBOAT on January 18, 2013, 09:45:47 am: Hazegry

The physics of model boat building is that the smaller the model the greater the stability problem (generally). My 1/48th scale TB sails and handles very well even winning a club steering trophy (much to my surprise). It has no additional keel, but I pruned every last gram off the deck weight using vac formings and lightweight plastic fittings rather than readily available white metal fittings, for everything on deck.

If your model is going to be 6 feet long, sailing and stability should not be a problem. Put all heavy stuff, batteries motors (probably including a shed load of ballast on a model that big) as low in the hull as it will go. Don't make the torpedoes heavy unless you want problems. Aluminium tube might be good. The model aircraft guys have the right idea when they talk about "building the lightness in". Take a leaf out of their books when you are dealing with all construction above the waterline, and it will sail realistically.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing a thread based on it's build.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Norseman on January 18, 2013, 06:19:17 pm: Quote from: PICKETBOAT link=topic=41319.msg415955#msg415955 date=1358502347
Good luck and I look forward to seeing a thread based on it's build. [/quote

Me too. I hope you start it with the research for the guys who missed this thread. It should make a fine model.

Dave

Hey, I have only just realised you aren't in Norfolk UK {-)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 21, 2013, 07:15:03 pm: lol yeah Norfolk in the states I almost wish I did live over there you guys seem to have more active clubs over there than we do here {:-{
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 21, 2013, 08:49:29 pm: If ya did we would have to call you a Pommie O0 instead of a Yank O0 {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 05, 2014, 12:44:54 am: well it took a while but I just ordered the plans from www.myhobbystore.co.uk I am hoping to get started on this one soon.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on January 23, 2014, 03:15:39 am: Wife says the plans made it to the house so as soon as I am home I can start looking into sizes for the boat and get started with it.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on February 06, 2014, 02:47:04 am: plans are here I thought there would be more to them but I guess not its not a big deal theres enough there to build it. I will look at the scale and figure out what scale I am going to build it in tomorrow.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: victorian on February 11, 2014, 09:07:24 pm: I've had the privelege of visiting the Lytlleton museum. It's hard to find, and you have to call up a volunteer attendant to get access. But it's truly fascinating. In the museum is a photograph of the ship lying derelict on the beach, still intact, before she was bulldozed to smithereens after the war. Standing in the conning tower in the photo is a little boy.

While I was talking to the volunteer curator, the door opened and another (unexpected) visitor arrived. This gentleman explained that he was visiting from Australia but that he had grown up in Lyttleton. Indeed, he said, he was the little boy in the photo and produced a faded snap of the same image from his wallet to prove it!

It turned out that he was a model builder and that he had been comissioned to produce a model of one of the Australian boats. Two of these have survived and he showed us photos of one of them being dragged from a swamp, intact if thoroughly corroded, for preservation.

And then he told us an even more surprising story. His mother had been a Lyttleton girl and she told him a tale that she re-told all her life of how she had seen Lady Scott saying good bye to her husband on the deck of the Terra Nova in Lyttleton harbour. She described the pink dress that Lady Scott wore and indeed you can see the same scene in the 1948 colour film 'Scott of the Antarctic". It was like being touched by history listenening to him.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on February 22, 2014, 12:28:41 am: That's a interesting story, I am thinking about having a buddy who builds kits help me make molds so I can lay up hulls and cast parts if anyone else wants them.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: wee speug on February 22, 2014, 02:07:15 am: Quote from: RAAArtyGunner on January 14, 2013, 10:43:30 pm
Good idea as I don't think you are on this side of the pond {-) {-) {-)
your not on any side of the pond...you,re on the other side of the world {-)
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 22, 2014, 11:06:46 am: Could you put your location into your profile please

Ken
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: ballastanksian on March 14, 2014, 09:32:17 pm: What an interesting read! The item about your trip to Lyttleton was splendid Victoria. The chances of meeting the man who was in the photo as a boy and being a model maker is worse than the lottery.

Is one of these beasts going to end up in your range Steve?
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on May 27, 2014, 10:08:11 am: guys I ran into a problem, well a problem for me maybe not you guys. I got the plans but they dont show the frames its just profile shots can someone explain to me how to draw up the frames from the profile shots?
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 27, 2014, 12:49:14 pm: At the left hand bottom of the plan there should be a hull body plan marked 'hull sections'. There are referenced by number to the elevation view above. Deduct the thickness of the planking from the hull section line and that will give you the external shape of your frames.

Colin
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on May 27, 2014, 08:39:22 pm: I dont know how I didnt see that thanks Colin. :-)) Now just to decide on a scale.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on May 27, 2014, 09:49:47 pm: after some figuring I figured out that if I increase the plans by 133% it will make the model 5fett and 3 inches long and will be dollhouse scale I figure that will help me with finding fittings and the like.
Title: Re: can anyone id this model
Post by: hazegry on June 18, 2014, 12:35:04 pm: Well I got the plans blown up and I started a build thread :-)) unfortunetly I was in a hurry when posting so I accedently put it in the workboat section I have asked a moderator to move it :police: once thats done I will post a link to the build here so someone can continue from here to the building phase.

A BIG BIG thank you to everyone who helped me get this far you guys are awesome and uh don't go anywhere I am sure I will have several stupid questions shortly :}