Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: Rottweiler on February 15, 2013, 12:01:04 am
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Hi All
there is a certain seller on E Bay,with a model boat ,the real one being a cargo ship that runs from Penzance to the Scilly Isles.This is at least the second time it has been offered,the last time it was taken off very suddenly. I sent him a message asking would he mind telling me what happened first time round and was there some problem.
The reply I got was this...
"WHAT I DO IS NONE OF YOUR ******* BUSINESS NOW ****** OFF.
If anyone wants to deal with him after reading this,then that is up to you,but please be warned.
Sincerely,
Mick F
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nice chap!
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I trust you've reported him to eBay?
Andy
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I just cannot seem to get anywhere with trying to report it,as it does not come under any of their recognised grievences.
Mick F
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I just cannot seem to get anywhere with trying to report it,as it does not come under any of their recognised grievences.
Mick F
Was this the first time you had sent a question ?. EBay will not be interested, they are far to busy redesigning logos..
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Charming!
What was the name of the model in case it comes up on flebay again?
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Martin,
PM sent, I will leave it up to you if you want to name it or him!
Cheers,
Mick F
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I just cannot seem to get anywhere with trying to report it,as it does not come under any of their recognised grievences.
Mick F
Yo Rotty,
If you look at the very small print at the nbottom of the actual mesage, it has a 'Report Message' link. If you click it, you will be taken to a page which allows you to report 1) Spam; 2) Threats, and 3) Profanity (which expands to say)
"Members aren’t allowed to use profanity in their communications with other members through eBay. If you receive a message with this kind of language from another eBay member and the message was sent through eBay, please report it to us immediately."
Andy
p.s. Drop me a PM with the item number if you have a minute, so I can put it on 'watch'.
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Hi mick.
I can guess what`s happened here. Mr nasty wants £x amount for his item. He does not want to put a reserve on it as
this incurs another fee for his listing. If it looks like he not going to get £x amount he whips it off just B4 the end of the
listing time. He will then cancel any bids on it and if you look into why your bid has been cancelled he will give some B.S.
about a part being lost or broken. He then relists it which is free. Been there had that experience.
Best way to report him is to phone E-bay and tell them what happened. They will go into your e-bay mail and see your
request and see his XXXX reply and they will take it from there. Contacting them direct is better than faffing about pages
of procedures and you are more likely to get them to see your point of view expressed verbally in person than by e-mail.
Frank :P
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the live chat on ebay, is quite effective too. You can talk to someone from ebay without the need for phone calls
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Sorry chaps I cannot find any livechat link, or a contact phone number for e bay,believe me if I could contact them I would!
Mick F
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http://ocs.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactC
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I can guess what`s happened here. Mr nasty wants £x amount for his item. He does not want to put a reserve on it as
this incurs another fee for his listing. If it looks like he not going to get £x amount he whips it off just B4 the end of the
listing time.
Which is a bit silly because as discussed in another thread recently a lot of bidding action occurs in the last few seconds of an auction.
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http://ocs.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactC
.... doesn't work for me... {:-{
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Martin,copy the link,and paste it on your search engine.It comes up that way.
Thanks for the link Essex!
Mick F
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Log into ebay, then choose summary
top right next to the basket icon is customer support, click
new page opens
Look just below where its says "welcome to customer support" in big letters
you will see 2 tabs
Choose the second tab contact ebay
There is not an option to contact them re what you want so you might need to mess about a bit here to get to a live help person but persevere and you will get someone
Martin,copy the link,and paste it on your search engine.It comes up that way.
Thanks for the link Essex!
Mick F
LOL and I just spent 5 mins typing the guide above!
Hope you get it sorted
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typical e bay,what I want to report is not listed,and e bay just sends you round and round coming up with the same pages and there is no way I can send anything off to them.What a pity because the seller has had 4 bids on the item.I cannot believe he has 100% feedback!
Think I will call a close to it now as I am not getting anywhere
Thanks to all for your suggestions
Mick F
PS has anyone else tried to contact him,to ask the same question to see what answer you get? I dont feel I can mention it on here but if anyone wants to PM me for details?
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Is the boat called the Gry Maritha ?
Regards
Ken
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Ken yes it is!
Mick F
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I built this one. It's a lovely model with a working crane. Pulls well on the water and looks great. I can see why you want one.
Is the bay one built, or still a kit. ?
ken
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Sorry Ken,I do not want to give this Moron any publicity,or help him sell it,I just want him banned,so with respect,please have a look yourself.I just hope no one gets duped and receives the same offensive abuse as I have done.
cheers,
Mick F
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He's a huge fleet for sale.
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Devils Advocate :police: :police:
Not that I doubt the opening post, however like most Trader type issues threads we are only seeing 1 side of the story . The seller has been on ebay for 10 years and has a 100% rating which is blinking hard to do on ebay so they must be doing something correctly.
A quote from an email has been used which is against Forum rules without permission from the sender (or is that just for Forum Pm's?)
Admittedly a simple "Sorry it is my Business and I do not need to give reasons" would have been better. :-))
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He's a huge fleet for sale.
The seller concerned joined a local model boat club last summer and quickly bought a large number of model boats off various club members. ( The Yorkshireman was built and sold to him by me )
Following a disagreement with another club member, the seller has not renewed his club membership for 2013 and has placed all the boats and radio gear for sale on Ebay, some others were sold off in November.
All of these boats are already built and are all excellent models.
I make no comment at all about the seller since I have no knowledge of his activities on EBay.
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Devils Advocate :police: :police:
Not that I doubt the opening post, however like most Trader type issues threads we are only seeing 1 side of the story . The seller has been on ebay for 10 years and has a 100% rating which is blinking hard to do on ebay so they must be doing something correctly.
A quote from an email has been used which is against Forum rules without permission from the sender (or is that just for Forum Pm's?)
Admittedly a simple "Sorry it is my Business and I do not need to give reasons" would have been better. :-))
I am glad you dont doubt my integrity! I also have been on e bay for between 12 and 15 years and I also have 100% feedback.I would never treat my buyers to any such language If I could post my simple question I posed to him on here, then I would ,as well as his reply so you could see "both sides and not just one" Yes I do agree a polite reply would have been in order. And note a further comment from another Mayhemmer,in that he joined a club and fell out with a fellow member in a short time.I think that that speaks for itself.
I think I have acheived my aims, in warning other mayhem members to stear clear
Many Thanks,
Mick F
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He sounds the sort of guy who is very abrasive by nature and could cause an argument in an empty room
Kimmel has just endorsed the models so if there is a bargain tobe had then go for it.
You might not like the supermarket manager but you still shop there :-)) :-)) :-))
Ned
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reminds me of a chap near here that does car diagnostics.... he's is a nasty irritating bad tempered little man, but he does good work and is far cheaper than any one else in the area
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could cause an argument in an empty room
{-) {-) - must remember that one! :-))
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sounds like a nice chap, I would not or could not do a deal with anybody with an attitude like that, wether its a bargain or not....Rod
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Well, he certainly seems unpredictable. A few minutes ago I went and had a look at what else he was selling and put the Our Lass (with about 8 days to run) on my watch list. Had another look at some of the other boats then went back to look more closely at the photo of the Lass - and the auction has been terminated. WTF? Perhaps he has a beef with watchers. (Perhaps he's a horse trader %) )
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Maybe he,s the sort of chat what can fall out with himself, Let hope he,s not a member on here.
Regards Howard.
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I think we should all know his ebay name on here Mick................for if he just might be a member of this site....name and shame.....that's the only way to stop these people from doing such things.....
don't pussyfoot around mate........give us all his name.
neil.
it's now been taken down as the link thes essex gave is not responding other than the page is not shown
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One of they queens dogs and welsh from Llanwrst
Ned
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Ummmm, still guessing Ned - sorry. O0 {-)
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it's now been taken down as the link thes essex gave is not responding other than the page is not shown
What has been taken down?
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I will have to let Martin decide on whether to publish his name.I dont think hes a member on here though as I am sure we would have heard something from him.
clue 2 welsh dog of the type favored by the queen then -
old nickname for a shilling,or shortened name Robert
I can tell you no more!
Mick F
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just type this in to ebay search
RC MODEL SLIPWAY GRY MARITHA
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I've just looked at a few items on eBay from a seller with the ID of corgi-bob. I would have liked to bid but I don't like it when bidders identities are blocked, one of eBay's more stupid policies me-thinks.
Hey ho!
Andy
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I would have liked to bid but I don't like it when bidders identities are blocked, one of eBay's more stupid policies me-thinks.
Hey ho!
Andy
Is daft, but I don't understand why it is showing as totally hidden as you can't ID a bidder in normal circumstances any way as all it show is something on the lines as d***s (45)
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Is daft, but I don't understand why it is showing as totally hidden
The private listing option hides the identities and email addresses of all bidders, both during and after a sale. Only the seller and the highest bidder see the listing results, and only the seller knows who bought the item.
There are cases where private listings are appropriate, such as the sale of high-priced items or approved pharmaceutical products, but you should only make your listing private if you have a specific reason.
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I think we should all know his ebay name on here Mick................for if he just might be a member of this site....name and shame.....that's the only way to stop these people from doing such things.....
don't pussyfoot around mate........give us all his name.
neil.
it's now been taken down as the link thes essex gave is not responding other than the page is not shown
Which could be confirmation of Mayhem membership????????????????? At least Advise admin AKA Martin of name O0 O0 O0
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Which could be confirmation of Mayhem membership????????????????? At least Advise admin AKA Martin of name O0 O0 O0
What is confirmation?
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seem to recognise this guy ,,a while back he and his mate had some boats on ,,yes they are working the con ,and yes they have been reported ,but they seem to be able to use a keyhole of sorts ,,it looks very much like an autioers ring ,bounce the bids on the wall till a decent one comes along ,,,crafty ,very .
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the page as in the link given by essex %% %% %%
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the page as in the link given by essex %% %% %%
And what was the page?
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http://ocs.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactC (http://ocs.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactC)
If this is the link you are all on about then it was a link to contact ebay via live chat.... and for some reason it doesn't work.
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Just put a bid on the Sea queen lets see if he takes my bid off as i got a new account and a zero feedback
Dave
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maybe we should all put bids on and then withdraw as "entered wrong amount" :-))
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If that's not the link then I've no idea what I'm talking about....mind you that's nothing new, %% %% %%
have you a link to the sea queen Dave...........I'll ask a question or two, lol........now wheres me big spoon.
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If that's not the link then I've no idea what I'm talking about....mind you that's nothing new, %% %% %%
have you a link to the sea queen Dave...........I'll ask a question or two, lol........now wheres me big spoon.
here you go
john
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RC-BOAT-SEA-QUEEN-/400413244194?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item5d3a7d3b22
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Search for sea queen or gre marthia and you will find then on my phone so cant do it sorry
Dave
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cheers dave and John ( missed your link John)......will do.
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just had a look............didn't realise it was he who was selling the Maggie M fishing boat......and I fancied that for my birthday.........couldn't be bothered with a gobby git like that though.
ceste la vie
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the huntsman looks nice as well
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he also had an Our Lass 11 from slipway for sale as I have it as a watched item, and he pulled that one too.........will ask about that one.
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anyone going to offer him 21p for the car? I have just bid on the huntsman,and got outbid,so he hasnt banned me!
Dont push the bids up too far though peeps,to make the innocent bidders pay more and increase his profit please?
Mick F
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Not me as interested in Sea Queen
Dave
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this is definitly the same guy who was doin it weeks ago
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Put a bid on Sea Queen No probs there told him I was a new ebayer and wouldnt screw him around....no probs there...approached by him today asking if I wanted the boat and just to make him an offer and I could have it today,just looked now Bid has been retracted and it has been PULLED off ebay.I think what he is doing is this...as soon as he has bids on his items he waits till he gets a bd then offers it to them at an offer price.If this offe ris enough he pulles the items and cancells any other bids...A VERY NAUGHTY WAY OF TRADING
Dave
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Did you get it ?.
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Not at all it my Bid was CANCELLED I wasnt going to deal outside of ebay
Dave
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im fairly new to ebay myself..
i dont understand how he can do that.....is my bid not legally binding if he has an item for sale at 99p....and one person bids...surely it is legally binding..
thats what reserves are for...or buy it nows....not ill wait until i see then pull it......if he did that to me i would be demanding ebay do something
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As far as I am aware the bid is only binding once the Auction has closed, up to about 12 hours I think you can cancel the Auction.
I had to do it once when I realised I had already sold/given away a mag to someone else but forgotten to delete it of eBay.
The Rules and Regs of Ebay are a minefield..
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im fairly new to ebay myself..
i dont understand how he can do that.....is my bid not legally binding if he has an item for sale at 99p....and one person bids...surely it is legally binding..
thats what reserves are for...or buy it nows....not ill wait until i see then pull it......if he did that to me i would be demanding ebay do something
technically, Yes, chris, but Ebay and most sellers place a caveat emptor on their goods, ebay won't back you up, and in my younger days when I attempted suing ebay for not honouring a voucher they sent me for 96 quid off my next purchace........I found when I submitted the claim to small claims that they rejected it because Ebay is registered as a forweign company and so suing them would be close on impossible...they are a sham really and people make up their own rules and ebay back them up.
neil.
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technically, Yes, chris, but Ebay and most sellers place a caveat emptor on their goods, ebay won't back you up, and in my younger days when I attempted suing ebay for not honouring a voucher they sent me for 96 quid off my next purchace........I found when I submitted the claim to small claims that they rejected it because Ebay is registered as a forweign company and so suing them would be close on impossible...they are a sham really and people make up their own rules and ebay back them up.
neil.
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interesting
you learn something new everyday, i suppose if you know the devil your dealing with then fair enough.
ive not had any issues in 50 purchases, apart from one guy who had an old zwarte zee for sale, he wrote on the description that fittings are with it but couldnt find them, when he did find them he would re-write his description.....low and behold the day the listing was to end he conveniently found the fittings and listed them for auction not as part of the sale as he said he would....i sent him a firm message and in no way was i purchasing a part kit.....he claimed ignorance...it worked out in the end <*< {-)
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Its sad really,that some people let E Bay down.Apart from 3 times I have had good dealings on there,buying over 1000 items,some for pals without an e bay account. 2 out of the 3 were for shoddy goods,chinese xmas lights,where I lost my money.One seller charged too much for postage and sent me a refund.I hope this rat gets his come uppance.Why dont we all bombard him with silly bids on his items?
All I can say ,is good models or not I did warn you!
Mick F
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.Why dont we all bombard him with silly bids on his items?
Because you would become no better than the ones complained about. And you might get a strike against your account. a few of those and you might as well give up buying or selling, if you are banned from selling it is often any accounts at the same address also banned.
Unfortunately , and probably down to ignorance of eBay's way of doing things many bad sellers get way with things because they are not reported in the correct EBay manor, I know they have introduced new ways to report bad sellers, luckily I have never had to use them so would not really know myself.
Move on I say..
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Long build you are not quite correct in what you are stating ....it is not the addewss that is banned at all.....it is the Email address linked to that seller that will be banned THATS all....Change the email addy and you up and running again.
HOW do I know well I had to do it.
I sold an iten to an IDIOT of an Australian....ok NOT all of them are IDIOTS :-)) He started a pay pal claim 5 days after winning as he had NOT recieved his Item..... Ebay strike given as HE did not close the case Judgement against ME.
And he STILL has the goods FACT
Bought some bits off an ebayer left Neg feedback as goods were Pants got money back.....Mnths ltr he bought £1500 worht of Motorsport goods off me...never paid started Dispute.....got police involved he got prosecuted for trying to get goods by Deception case never closed Ebay Sided on HIS side another strike given.
A Mnth later he bid under another Ebay name and did the same Guess WHO was stopped from selling YES IT WAS ME.
I have had him thrown off Ebay 15 times so far funnily enough yet again TODAY and he still manages to come back.
As I did not have a selling account and needed one I looked into beating the system and ALL you do is to start again with a new ID new email addy and away you go.
I for one would like to be able to see who you are bidding against as it was so so easy to trace a friend of a seller who was Bumping goods up Now you can not .
Dave
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Stav,
You arent entirely correct either, although it does appear that way with regards to your own experience with the gnomes of eBay.
Both eBay/Paypal cross-reference IP addresses and combined Paypal accounts, amongst whatever other means that they have at their disposal.
From what you have said regarding your own problem, you don't appear (to me) to be a dodgy seller, just an unfortunate one - However, I am aware of several accounts which were linked to a group of 'questionable' characters, which were either closed/blocked and/or restricted because one of them raised a red-flag.
Good luck with your new account.
Andy
p.s. How and why does your 'problem' purchaser manage to find you so quickly?
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There are the Laws of the Land... Then there is Ebay... 8)
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Its sad really,that some people let E Bay down.Apart from 3 times I have had good dealings on there,buying over 1000 items,some for pals without an e bay account. 2 out of the 3 were for shoddy goods,chinese xmas lights,where I lost my money.One seller charged too much for postage and sent me a refund.I hope this rat gets his come uppance.Why dont we all bombard him with silly bids on his items?
All I can say ,is good models or not I did warn you!
Mick F
With respect I disagree.
It is eBay that is at fault as they are more concerned with making money.
Consider this, why do all and sundry have to bring, advise, report, etc to eBay when they should be administering their site,. No, it costs time and money and cuts into their profits, far cheaper for you to do it for them, then if its wrong it is Your fault.
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Because you would become no better than the ones complained about. And you might get a strike against your account. a few of those and you might as well give up buying or selling, if you are banned from selling it is often any accounts at the same address also banned.
Unfortunately , and probably down to ignorance of eBay's way of doing things many bad sellers get way with things because they are not reported in the correct EBay manor, I know they have introduced new ways to report bad sellers, luckily I have never had to use them so would not really know myself.
Move on I say..
Also happens if you challenge eBay and triumph, your account will be closed, as will all at the same address, got the T shirt.
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reminds me of a chap near here that does car diagnostics.... he's is a nasty irritating bad tempered little man, but he does good work and is far cheaper than any one else in the area
I used to work with someone like that :}
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Just looked at our 'abusive seller's' items It would appear that 'corgi-bob has one extremely keen bidder, who currently holds top place on six of his auctions. Not anyone on here is it?...
(http://s20.postimage.org/vmzwzia6l/Same_buyer.png)
Andy
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VERY interesting! I wonder if it is a scam lol
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It could be construed as such.
Because they are 'private' listings his 'mate' can bump the bids and if his 'mate' inadvertenly wins, the mate defaults, and seller relists the item.
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Must be worth letting e bay know. John.
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whoooopppsssss......what have I done................it's that big wooden spoon again {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Won't achieve much as eBay favour sellers particularly if they have a shop, are power sellers, etc because they pay for that privilege.
Not to mention, you as the complainant, must prove it, as mentioned before then you are in the wrong and not fleabay if it is deemed unfounded. O0 O0 %% %%
Stopped selling on fleabay.
Use Gumtree or Oztion instead.
Oztion (Oz auction site, fleabay similar) no fees to list and nothing to pay unless sold.
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Guess who owns Gumtree? eBay, of course!
Andy
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Hello Shipmates and I have just being reading this thread from start to finish. I do not know what you are doing Rottweiller but matey I just went through the Ebay channels and won a case against a seller for 2 things . 1 incorrect advertising of the item and 2. abusive language and putting 3 unpaid item cases against me. I admit it took me a while to win this case but I did not let go. I know how you feel as I kept getting different Ebay operators but each time I replies I just CC 'd all operators I had talked to and in 3 days finally got a result and the seller so I was informed got a severe reprimand. They did not get barred but they did get the unpaid strikes put onto them with bad publicity. I also got a reprimand for my comments in the feedback of that seller which they removed but did not take away the bad reports. So mate do not give up if you think it is important enough and also for the general community beware the next purchaser to be abused and dudded. = Armo61
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Guess who owns Gumtree? eBay, of course!
Andy
O0 O0 {-) {-)
But not Oztion, however, give them time, as it has already been bought by Carsales.com
After all you don't beat your competitors by being competitive you make them an offer they can't refuse.
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Ahhhhh I see. Ok then no problems then.
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Just looked at our 'abusive seller's' items It would appear that 'corgi-bob has one extremely keen bidder, who currently holds top place on six of his auctions. Not anyone on here is it?...
(http://s20.postimage.org/vmzwzia6l/Same_buyer.png)
Andy
How did you get the bid id as the bidding is private ?.
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Corgi-bob is the seller
Regards Ian
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I think he is referring to 2***1 the bidder in each case.
Grendel
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Comes up as a private listing on my screen - no-where
does it indicate 2***1 is bidding?- Now that would be interesting if so.
N
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it reveals if you make a bid, or sometimes if youve been watching it long enough ( not always)
it still has letters missing, but you can see feedbacks etc and work it out
:-))
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The top bidder shows up on the Android phone app all the time.
If you go to 'Bidding Activity' it shows as private listing.
Gry Maritha is showing a high bidder s***i
Ned
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How did you get the bid id as the bidding is private ?.
Sorry guys, I forgot to mention that the info is freely available via www.goofbid.com (http://www.goofbid.com) - It isn't as good as it used to be (when it was goofbay), but still worth a look.
Andy
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I note that most of the auctions by corgi bob are now over, and that the main attraction the Gry Maritha,was not pulled at the last moment.The one I bid on as a trial to see what happened,I got a notification saying my bid had been refused.I wonder if we will see any of these yet again, as the Gry actually only fetched £5 more this time than it did last time.
Mick F
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He got more stuff on
Dave
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ah well thats e bay looking after themselves..the guy sells a lot,so pays a lot in e bay fees so they are not going to ban him while he is making them money
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ah well that's e bay looking after themselves..the guy sells a lot,so pays a lot in e bay fees so they are not going to ban him while he is making them money
Now you are getting the message how eBay actually works O0 O0 O0 O0
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I note that most of the auctions by corgi bob are now over, and that the main attraction the Gry Maritha,was not pulled at the last moment.The one I bid on as a trial to see what happened,I got a notification saying my bid had been refused.I wonder if we will see any of these yet again, as the Gry actually only fetched £5 more this time than it did last time.
Mick F
I'm quite surprised that your bid could be 'refused'? How does that occurr?
I'm learning plenty about ebay 'life' from this thread!
I know sometimes items get pulled if someone contacts seller with an offer
but then thats not in accordance with the rules is it?
N...
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I'm quite surprised that your bid could be 'refused'? How does that occurr?
I'm learning plenty about ebay 'life' from this thread!
I know sometimes items get pulled if someone contacts seller with an offer
but then thats not in accordance with the rules is it?
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What rules? The rules are as eBay interprets them. They are designed for eBay to make money. If you are making money for them, good, if not, bang, bad bad
Any seller can refuse/block any bidder for whatever reason.
It is called offer and acceptance, you offer, make a bid, seller accepts, no doesn’t have to. No different than you going into a store and the store keeper refusing to serve you. It is the seller’s item to dispose off as they see fit.
As a seller, I always checked the ‘history’ of bidders and blocked/refused problem bidders, even shops and power sellers. Also you can determine who are resellers, or genuine buyers, by their bidding history and recent purchasers.
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Hi Raarty,
that is the case with me also,that I check on the sellers history,which is usually reliable.In this case the sellers rating was 100%,so it aint always true!
Mick F
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Hi Raarty,
that is the case with me also,that I check on the sellers history,which is usually reliable.In this case the sellers rating was 100%,so it aint always true!
Mick F
Mick,
Look behind the feedback which is meaningless.
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Did these boats reach a price that will sell, or do you think we shall see some next week...?