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Title: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 23, 2013, 11:32:00 am: well i have two graupner elke fishing boats ok2 one built but in need of a revamp and a new kit still in the box and wounderd what to do with them then i came across this site and i think the built boat is going to get coverted to this http://www.rc-modellbau-schiffe.de/wbb2/thread_15477_Noch-ein-KFK.html what do you guys think.
should i build the new kit as is and convert the built one. or do the conversion on the new kit
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: Circlip on March 23, 2013, 11:37:03 am: That's a bit excessive for Fishery Protection? %%

Regards Ian
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 23, 2013, 11:41:46 am: i agree ian but makes for an intersting project O0
regards mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: derekwarner on March 23, 2013, 11:56:35 am: It would appear that the planking on the FWD anti aircraft mount depicted as athwart ships may be incorrect @ 90 degrees reversed?...... :o ....Derek
(http://a.imageshack.us/img843/4056/dsci0002pm.jpg)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: awvs on March 23, 2013, 03:12:44 pm: Hi Mick,
I learn most from my own mistakes. So, I would use the new kit for the new boat and convert the old one.
Good luck
Wilhelm
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: Netleyned on March 23, 2013, 03:29:19 pm: Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on March 23, 2013, 11:56:35 am
It would appear that the planking on the FWD anti aircraft mount depicted as athwart ships may be incorrect @ 90 degrees reversed?...... :o ....Derek
(http://a.imageshack.us/img843/4056/dsci0002pm.jpg)

Surely reversed would be 180 degrees
From athwartships to fore and aft ain't
Reversed but rotated 90 degrees to port or starboard ??

Ned
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 23, 2013, 03:47:50 pm: thanks Wilhelm. :-))
thats what i will do i think ok2 just sorcing pictures from the net to help lol.
i have 2 weeks holiday from good friday :} so hope to make a start then.
i to learn by my mistakes lol and have made a few in the past.
but this should be an easy conversion (fingers crossed)
will post pics when i make a start.
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 23, 2013, 03:53:30 pm: derek and ned
thanks for the heads up on the forword gun platform will make sure i dont do the same {:-{ lol
i just love mayhem allways some one out there to help with advice just a great site to be on
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 23, 2013, 08:04:27 pm: An interesting project! Over 1.000 units were ordered by the German Navy and 600+ were aktually delivered.
Some were build for Germany during the war in "neutral" Sweden!!!! The hull was always the same, but there were quite a few variations in the superstructure and weaponry! I remember that the Graupner ELKE based on a real ELKE fishing boat in the 1950s, also started her carerr as a KFK.

Interesting to note that the other Graupner model, the Whaler RAU XI now on display in the German Maritime Museum at Bremerhaven, was also built for the Navy as an auxiliary sub chaser...similar to the Flower Class Corvettes, which also have a Whaler background...

I would build the new kit as ELKE and the old one convert to a KFK.

Cheers!
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: hmsantrim on March 24, 2013, 04:11:52 am: Hi Mick.
what you are wanting to build is called a verpostenboot which is merchant/ civilian craft coverted to coastal and harbour patrol vessels.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot)

origional http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter)

have some phots of built models if you are intrested pm mail address.

Frank
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: derekwarner on March 24, 2013, 05:16:55 am: Ned & Mick.....in OZ ...to reverse is to change things around..........just ask my wife :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: .........

....45 degrees....90 degrees.....135 degrees.....180 degrees...? ........ it's all the same to her %) .....Derek {-)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 10:58:27 am: Below you can find pictures of a nice Model:

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338 (http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338)

(http://www.modellmarine.de/images/phpws/kfk_02.jpg)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 24, 2013, 12:00:20 pm: Quote from: hmsantrim on March 24, 2013, 04:11:52 am

Hi Mick.
what you are wanting to build is called a verpostenboot which is merchant/ civilian craft coverted to coastal and harbour patrol vessels.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot)

origional http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter)

have some phots of built models if you are intrested pm mail address.
hi frank
thankyou for the links to the real boat they will be a big help mate

Frank
thanks for the links frank pm sent
regards mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 24, 2013, 12:05:53 pm: Quote from: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 10:58:27 am
Below you can find pictures of a nice Model:

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338 (http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338)

(http://www.modellmarine.de/images/phpws/kfk_02.jpg)

thanks pw569 i have that link and yes it is a verry nice boat
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 12:13:58 pm: This may be the MASTERCLASS version:

http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm (http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm)

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/a23g.jpg)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 24, 2013, 12:21:34 pm: Quote from: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 12:13:58 pm
This may be the MASTERCLASS version:

http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm (http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm)

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/a23g.jpg)

that is a nice model thanks for the link will take a good look a bit later
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 24, 2013, 12:25:56 pm: well started to strip the Elke down ready for the conversion
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 29, 2013, 10:42:14 am: well i have started with the elke conversion. O0
got the stern cut out done and started work on the forword gun platform. ;)
next i will start on the stern gun platform :-))
enjoy the pics every one.
can any one out there please give me some advice on the type of guns she would have on board.
just so i know what to look for.im looking at 1/35th scale kits but none look like what the real boat would carry. <:(
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 29, 2013, 10:56:50 am: Looking good!

I wonder what will happen to the other ELKE!

You know, these KFKs operated sometimes as fleets! He he! :-))
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 29, 2013, 11:15:05 am: Quote from: PW569 on March 29, 2013, 10:56:50 am

Looking good!

I wonder what will happen to the other ELKE!

You know, these KFKs operated sometimes as fleets! He he! :-))

Thanks for the comment pw569 the other one will be stopping in the box for the moment lol
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 29, 2013, 11:20:26 am: thanks pw569 :-))
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: Circlip on March 29, 2013, 02:51:14 pm: A few land based units to convert :- http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38/)
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-tow-traile/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-tow-traile/)
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-trailer/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-trailer/)
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-37cm-flak36/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-37cm-flak36/)
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/italeri-135-german-pak-9738-gun-crew/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/italeri-135-german-pak-9738-gun-crew/)

There are various 1/35 figures at the same supplier.

The multi barrel on the front looks very much like the "2cm Flakvierling"

Regards Ian.
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 29, 2013, 03:07:03 pm: The ELKE should ba around 1:36. The scale is never very exact with Graupner, for sure 1,35 is fine, possibly 1:40 as well.

In 1:40 you do have some options fo 20 and 40 mm guns as well as depth charges and smoke generators / containers intended for the Robbe S-Boot:

http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/index.php/language/en/cat/c146_Graue-Flotte.html (http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/index.php/language/en/cat/c146_Graue-Flotte.html)

Maybe the floats for the S-130 also fit...
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 29, 2013, 04:50:55 pm: circlip and pw569 thanks for the links :-))
pw569 ihear what your saying about the scale of the elke listed on box as 1/36th but i will take that with a pinch of salt. %)
i have started the stern gun platform same as the front one just 10mm smaller od
need a coffee now :-))
will be back with more update's soon.
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 29, 2013, 04:56:42 pm: Dear Mick,

I did not mention the scale issue to complain, but to indicate that 1/40 fittings (guns) might also work with her!
I think it may be better to use nice but less detailed guns (like the Robbe ones) rather than the highly accurate Army ones from the 1:35 kits.
Could look awkward if you have a nice model, but hyper detailed guns.... :police:

Great build! (and fast!)!
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 29, 2013, 05:14:05 pm: pw569
sorry if my reply seemed as if i was refering to your post as a scale issue to complain.
i didnt mean for it to come out that way my frend. i was just agreeing with you as to the scale of the graupner kits
my apologies if it seemed that way :-))
and yes i would agree 1/40th scale guns would look fine on the model. so now i have more options for the guns lol
best regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: mark w on March 30, 2013, 03:22:20 am: Sharkbite0,

Looking good :-)) . I'll be watching this build :-) .

Mark
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: TugCowboy on March 30, 2013, 07:49:12 am: Looking very nice so far.
Have you thought about running gear yet?
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 30, 2013, 09:10:33 am: hi mark w
thanks for the comment i hope to get some more done over the next few days :-))
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 30, 2013, 09:17:28 am: thanks tugcowboy.
thanks for the comment.
the boat is running with a 400 motor 20amp esc and a 6volt 4,5amp hour battery and 2.4ghz radio :-))
bit over scale speed i know but i like to be able to get out of the way of the fast elictric boys lol.
just sorcing the guns for the fore and aft gun platforms at the moment .
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 31, 2013, 03:17:32 pm: small up date guys
i started on the wheelhouse and mast planking added to wheelhouse roof and walkways to doors.
also made and fitted the steps up to wheelhouse (i hate making steps lol) {:-{
and started the mast for the wheelhouse.
also undercoated the wheelhouse as well
enjoy the pics.
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on March 31, 2013, 07:36:05 pm: Mick!

looking good! A quick pace as well! Congrats.

Do you have drawings?

Some niche detail pictures can be found "hidden" on the previous posted link for the Arbeitskreis Historischer Schiffbau.
Some of the exhibition pictures show the KFK. Look at this shot for the winch under the aft weapon platform (Dusseldorf 1012):

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/ontour/messe/dort2012/d20g.jpg)

Or 40mm forward:

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/ontour/messe/dort2012/d21g.jpg)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on March 31, 2013, 09:18:31 pm: Quote from: PW569 on March 31, 2013, 07:36:05 pm
Mick!

looking good! A quick pace as well! Congrats.

Do you have drawings?

Some niche detail pictures can be found "hidden" on the previous posted link for the Arbeitskreis Historischer Schiffbau.
Some of the exhibition pictures show the KFK. Look at this shot for the winch under the aft weapon platform (Dusseldorf 1012):

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/ontour/messe/dort2012/d20g.jpg)

Or 40mm forward:

(http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/ontour/messe/dort2012/d21g.jpg)

hi pw569 and thanks for the comments mate.
i dont have a drawing just some pics i got off the net.
the 40 mm gun on the pic you have showen looks good and i have found a shop selling this gun in 1/40th scale should be ok. so time to order it and a single 20mm for the stern platform. :-))
after checking the pics the mast i have fitted is wrong so it will be removed lol (what i would give for an good drawing now lol)
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on April 01, 2013, 12:21:28 pm: small update guys.
doors and blast sheild's made ;)
need to work on the hull next and get it ready to paint
enjoy the pics
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on April 05, 2013, 04:07:56 pm: hi guys
got some more done on the elke conversion. :-))
enjoy the pics more to follow.
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on April 05, 2013, 04:09:05 pm: and more pics
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on April 05, 2013, 04:10:30 pm: started the painting and camo next will be the wethering
enjoy
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: mark w on April 08, 2013, 07:44:47 pm: Lookin' good :-))

Mark
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: DarrenCarter2 on April 08, 2013, 08:54:23 pm: Looks good buddy keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on April 08, 2013, 09:05:28 pm: Great build!

...you want to install those AA guns soon, it would be a shame if the boat is attacked by some inconsiderate
Tommy raiders like MOSQUITOS or BEAUFIGHTERS at zhis advanced state of completion! <*<
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: sharkbite0 on April 09, 2013, 09:45:33 pm: thanks mark and daren its geting there lol :-))
pw569 thanks mate i have the guns fitted :} and all the railings done will post pics soon just other things geting in the way (ie life. work. )
need to get the wethering done tomorrow then post pics.
all the radio gear is in and working no problem
regards
mick
Title: Re: what to do with 2 graupner elke's
Post by: PW569 on October 27, 2013, 12:29:10 pm: Finished?

...allthough, we did have a great summer...would not be surprised if the yard sent the workers out to enjoy the sun!

With the storm this weekend, guess it could be a good time to enter the yard again!

Cheers!