Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: urbfro01 on June 07, 2013, 12:16:47 am
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Itīs been a while since I was logged in at your awsome site. Things to do, places to be, people to meet.. Guess you know. Anyway; Itīs always a pleasure to spend some quality time at your site! My old Airfix Schnellboot is ready for some primer. At last! It made its trial runs last summer, with some minor adjustments. Quite good when you bear in mind that it was converted from a shelf model to a "runner", and was equipped with a lot of stuff from the canibalizised R/C boat, which I stole from my son. :-)
My aim was to have a scale model which looked good and could make decent manouvers in shallow waters. And I think I almost reached my goal, some of the joints are "glueish", but from a couple of feet away it will be almost invisible. And a watertight joint is worth more than a period perfect joint.At least to me it is. The boat will be comissioned as S 19, which was Kplt Werner Töniges first comission as a skipper. Later he was given command over S102, which was of the newer kind S 38. I think that if you do some research about your subject, you will always find an exciting story to tell. I will try to be more frequent logged in, and of course I will take some shots when I put the S19 into the Baltic Sea! All for know!
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Hello
Nice work, but note that S 19 belonged to a group with a larger hull than S 7 - 13 (like the kit hull).
Note also the kit hull is not the correct shape, it is too boxy (although this may be an advantage for RC as it gives more buoyancy).
See the following comparison photo, you will see the biggest difference is the finer entry;
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Youīre absolutely right! And I thougt I was a S-Boot fan! In fact the production run was S 10-13,S14-17 and S18-25. S14-S25 were well over 2,5 m longer and 36 cm wider and over 2000 hp more. Intresting to say is that S10-13 only were equipped with 2 torpedos. Have you seen any pics of the deck? Do they miss the fittings for torpedo 3 and 4? Hmm..the other hull on your picture, the white one, what manufacturer?
Thank you for enlightning me! Guess Iīll have to speed up work on my Robbe S130 in order to have a battleworn S-boot, but the foredeck gives me headache. Nevertheless, I discovered that Revell do reissue some old plastic kit from the 60īs. One of them is an US howitzer with personell, the scale is 1/40! Iīm quite sure that those G.I s will man my S130, with some new uniforms and headcaps!
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Hi
S 7 - 9 had the same hull as S 10 - 13, but the engines were from a different manufacturer (Maybach for the 1st group, then M - Benz I think).
There are many pictures available on the internet (e.g. [size=78%]http://www.prinzeugen.com/DesignManufacture.htm (http://www.prinzeugen.com/DesignManufacture.htm)[/size][/size][size=78%] , and videos on Youtube too.[/size]
I make the white hulls just pm me to order one if you like (click the website icon under my avatar).
The Revell 1/72nd S - 100 is much better, in fact it is almost 100% correct.
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An outstanding collection of 1/72nd scale craft O0 O0
If not already done, deserves to be listed under 'My Fleet'
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Hmm..when I read my "Schnellboote im Einsatz" it looks like the S6-S9 had a both longer and wider hull. And went deeper in the water, but in 1/72 you cannot tell the difference.. ;) The Prinz Eugen site is a really good source, I agree with you. Iīll try to lay my hands on a Revell S130, have you tried it?
BTW: Have anyone seen the restoration going on in U.K? The one called S130? The single survivor Schnellboot. Interesting indeed, but it is certinally not a cheap ride to do that complete overhaul..It would be nice to get some reviews from the scene.
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Primer time for my Schnellboot! Found a really nice primer at my local cardealer, a plastic primer made for spoilers and fat plastics, Turned out to be transparent and really soft and fine. After it has cured its time for some basic medium gray. I like to have it medium in the first layer, then you can work your way through both darker and lighter layers, and of course washes and drybrushes as well.
Have put maskol at the windows, think I will have a hard time removing it at the back of the boat because of the rails and fittings there.. Right now we been struck by the summer, and I feel a little bit late with my tiny boat...Maybe Iīll just do a few layers of grey just to be able to run it before itīs getting dark, cold and icy again..
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Been busy building wooden decks, nope; not the usual small ones, 1:1 scale around the house instead... Did paint my tiny S-Boot yesterday. Afte the primer cured I started with dark shadows, no 33 humbrol. Then I put the no 64 on, merely covering the surfaces so you still can see the shadowing. After that I mixed no 64 with some white and did some "filling" in big areas and at top of torpedo tubes, roofs and other stuff. I usually paint things as if the sun hits them from above, and always go from dark to light. The first layers I do with my singleaction gun, and after that I will use my doubleaction for more subtle detailing. But fact remains: It is still a runner, not a shelf-queen! It is good enough to me if it looks like the real deal a couple of feet away. Next step is to paint the deck, same method but with no 27 instead..
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Hmm...got the order wrong! Sorry but that..
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Painted the deck after masking hull and other light gray details. Did some deep shadowing first, doubleaction gun is used. Completed some of the shadowing I did before, and it starts to get "3D-ish" just my intention. Next step is to lighten up the dark gray, add some white to no27 and do some filling,
After that Iīll finish the build with the details missing, add some glossy clearcoat where I intend to apply decals. Finally do some washes, and some drybrushing, and, and.... OK, Iīll take her on a ride in the Baltic as well :-) All for now
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Fitted some missing details, did some additional airbrushing and picked out details with the 00 brush. Seems like Iīve misplaced the anchor >:-o Managed to crash one of the railings as well with my 1:1 scale thumb,, Starting to look OK, maybe a little bit dark but Iīm sure that the drybrush will cure that.
Next step will be painting of the hull, decals, windows and some drybrushing. Iīm not so impressed of my Revell crew. They are really boring! Somebody who knows about any other german sailors doing their thing?
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Two more
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Hi,
Paint job looking good :-))
Keep up the good work
Some suggestions for your crew figures
U boat crews but I would suggest that their clothes were similar
http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1548&mode=thread&order=0 (http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1548&mode=thread&order=0)
http://www.andreaeurope.com/en/1/andrea-miniatures/119/172-series.html (http://www.andreaeurope.com/en/1/andrea-miniatures/119/172-series.html)
http://misc.kitreview.com/shipreviews/hg224previewbg_1.htm (http://misc.kitreview.com/shipreviews/hg224previewbg_1.htm)
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Thnx! And thank you for links. I really like Hecker and Goros figures, I have a type VII that came in my possesion for two weeks ago. I really donīt know how that happened, ;) but I really could use some good sailors aboard that one as well. The U-boot will of course have R/C aboard, but it will only be a "surfacer". But first I have to finish my schnellboot! i think the varnish have cured, maybe Iīll put on the decals before hitting the bed...
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At last I found the time needed for painting hull and applying decals. I had to rename it to S13 because I fumbled with the small numbers at the bow . Yes, I did say some bad swedish words.. I have some minor fitting to do, some additional painting and of course manning the tiny S. It starting to get cold in Sweden, so I will conduct some patrols before it get icy. And I will take some snapshots as well. Have to figure out a safe way to transport the thing... The rails almost break if you breathe on them, but still: Itīs a fun boat straight out of the box, which has given me a lot of joy! ( It didnīt cost me a fortune either)
/All for now
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excellent work
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My 'carrier' for the e-boat is two pieces of timber, what we call skirting board (the wood trim at the base of walls around a room), being about 100mm deep, with a piece of rectangular timber fitted inbetween.
The base only extends from just past the bow to just before the propshaft exits the hull, this allows the props to sit below the hull and does not damage them, the base of the carrier is high enough that when you put the carrier down the prop / rudder is above the floor, the high sides of the carrier allow the boat to be moved without touching it, the width inside is just enough for the boat to fit in, the length is just past the stern and bow, lifting the boat in and out is at the bow and stern where there is little detail to damage if lifted correctly, the carrier looks like a floating dry dock.
It's also used as a place to sit when messing with the inside, if the carrier is turned over as in the picture, the prop and rudder still sit below the base and the vessel is sat flat on its keel.
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It sounds like a really good solution! Thnx! And the S11 looks really good as well! Whatīs your setup in it?
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Hmm.. do you have any soft material in your "drydock"? Just to avoid scratches on the paintwork?
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it's a rough and ready solution for carrying, no soft material inside though, originally it was to be used as a lauching tool as well, so did not cover it as it would have got wet and rotted eventually (though found it was a little impractical for launching the boat with - sail in and out), not even varnished, the materials were offcuts / scrap etc, though I must admit I do need to make it more 'presentable'.
You could fit snooker table baize (I think thats what they call it) to limit the damage to the paintwork, but I dont varnish mine (lack of painting skills - read that as lazy), I had the idea that scratches etc over time, and repairs would move the item from looking prestine to weathered naturally {-) , again - read that as lazy, in all fairness, mine do not get to sail that often, so the repairs/weathering hasn't got that far yet {-)
running gear is a hot potch mix of coupled items, the last time she was shown on the water in front of a clubs open day, she was truly shown up as lacking in speed etc, the resulting refit did nothing to improve her, after seeing the deans marine set up, I was struck by how bad my builds are. {-) oh and the pictures are not that good - helps hide the bad painting (i'm not worthy - waynes world)
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Ahaa.. you really use your carrying device as a real drydock, clever of you! Iīll think Iīll copy that idea. Compared to Deanīs Marines boats and ships the Airfix wessels are somewhat..ehhh..rougher. But in a different pricegroup, in fact in a different priceplanet ok2 . I run mine on two props only, without rudders. And speed is really up to scale, Iīll try to do a youtube clip, have to ask my 11- year old son how to do it first. :-) I have a Robbe S130, but it feels like a dead end with the foredeck. Iīve read Martins story, and yes; I agree- someone was really drunk at the factory when they designed the deck assembly. Maybe Iīll do the Revell 1/72 type XII first.. Building season is closing up now, and of course snowmobiling. Our national sport up in north of Sweden ok2
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after seeing top gear (motoring program) an the use of snowmobiles as boats/hydrofoils - your next project? {-)
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Haha, in fact we have those kind of races! Amazing how far tou can get on water! Still, it always end up in the submarine way :} :}
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At last it w as time for my schnellboot to get wet! Of course I had not completed it, but it felt right to do it today. Had to scare the ducks away first, but once I had the S13 in the pond they left in a big hurry! ok2 ok2 At first everything went well, but as you can see in one of the pics I did bounce into a big stone. A couple of minutes before I told my sons to watch out for it, and I managed to hit it myself.. Anyway, the S13 runs fairly well, it leans a bit to starboard, but from a disatnce it looks quite good. I did hit a tree (!) as well, broke my mast and the roof, which was "unglued" fell off. Yes, I was wet well over the knees, I got my punishment ok2 . Now itīs time for some repairs and final fittings. I really enjoyed this afternoon!
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Some more.. donīt miss the direct hit at the big stone. No 8
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Really, really, REALLY good, I liked picture 7, really menacing , did I say it was really good. :embarrassed:
If I get chance I will photo the carrier I built for mine, need to build another for a larger vessel, but to be used for storage purposes. There are tool trays that are large enough to carry all the bits to the waterside but a bit impracticle for storing the boat though.
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Thnx mate! If you look close you can see that the mast and the roof are "elsewhere" :embarrassed: In the middle of the pond in fact.. Hmm.. that Stanley tool carrying tray look just perfect for my tiny wessels! Iīll keep my eyes wide open next time in the hardware store.
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Took some proper pictures of the carrier after remembering where it was, the oldest bedroom atop of the built wardrobe.
the photos are of front - rear - right side - left side (note very little clearance) - top, insides of the boat (just to answer the previous request for what running gear, it's like a snail on prozac) and finally in it's role as a place to sit without damaging the prop and rudder. hope it helps.
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Wow! Thatīs a really snug fit! Iīll construct something similar before next season. I like your version of the deck as well. My version with only the middle part liftable is somewhat narrow.. Seems like your schnellboot will outpower mine. How big is that engine? Have you experienced that leaning inwards at full speed? ( I mean the boat of course, not that leaning way of walking that we tend to walk now and then, especially on saturdays..) :}
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A strip sheet felt along the walls might be a good idea. :-))
ken
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as said earlier, the scratches when repaired give her the weathered look {-)
close yes - needed yes - have you seen the potholes around here - no {-)
the motors big, but as the amount of weight and power required is greater - she moves very slowly - mind you not tried here out for a while, looking for a suitable water to try her on again, originally fitted with a small motor and a centreboard / weight, that was replace in the last refit, need to look at an alternative power plant. {:-{
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Been too busy with double jobs,and moving to a new house. Anyway this is nearly completed, but every single time I run it, it brokes. It still is a great deal of fun for little money, so a couple of damaged details dosenīt bug me that much.. ok2
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its still better looking than mine - and at least it is being run, mines languishing in the cupboard until I find time to start looking at refitting some vessels. :((
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Right now I'm really up for the 1/35 Italeri S-boot. Maybe I can get my local dealer to give me discount. And he can have it on display when I'm not runnin' it... Saw one member who used soidiets instead of the regular crew. Looked amazingly good!
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just came across this thread; very nice :-))
Mark
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Right now I'm really up for the 1/35 Italeri S-boot. Maybe I can get my local dealer to give me discount. And he can have it on display when I'm not runnin' it... Saw one member who used soidiets instead of the regular crew. Looked amazingly good!
Bought mine from here.
Very reasonably priced don't know about your postage cost
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?search=Y&q_brand=ITA&q_category=WS&q_scale=35&q_word=&q_show_instock_only=N (http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?search=Y&q_brand=ITA&q_category=WS&q_scale=35&q_word=&q_show_instock_only=N)
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As you said, a lot of fun for not to much money. Really enjoyed reading this, more of the same please.
Cheers.
Phil
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Happy days! Winter is coming and itīs time for a build or two. Stashed up in the working table are a half-completed Robbe S130 with an unsolved fordeck issue. (Nightmare), Revells 1:72 sub planned to be a surface RC model, (Nice) and I couldnīt resist an offer on Italeris 1:35 Schnellboot for approx 95 Euros ( Nicer!). Iīll think that the last one is the first one in my shipyard lineup. The gameplan is a battleworn late-war S-boot with lot of airbrushing and a crew in relaxed poses. Planning on a full RC with three engines and full rudder function, I really like the way you can turn them with only machine power. Iīve done that manoveour on real size wessels with landing crafts in the Marines. ( Combat Boat 90H) Hmm... maybe one should consider a 90H? Nope; first things first- schnellboot it is! Have noticed that a small company named SHG models have a complete running gear for Italeris S-boot, anyone who have dealt with that kit?
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I recall seeing a Submarine support vessel based on an S Boote that had a 'Kugelblitz' turret on the stern. How many were built I do not know, but it looks like a cool conversion to an S boote.
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I have recentle build the AirFix E-boat to and convert it to RC. I'm using two Graupner Speed engines on 4 AA Nicd batteries.
See for the building report photos:
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=UHOQYPUA#MQYRNQ7D
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=D3RAQOEQ
Last Year we have build Revell's S-100 and convert it also to RC.
See http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=MLGYWA4Y
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Looking good! Really like 1/72s, they're much easier to handle and transport. What kind of Graupners did you use? I've looked at their ESC named Navy V15R, range from 6 volts. Haven't found any suitable motor yet for my next build- Revells type VIIc 1/72.
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Haven't found any suitable motor yet for my next build- Revells type VIIc 1/72.
Have you checked out Norbert Bruggens Conversion kit
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http://www.modelluboot.de/KITS/VII/VIIc.html
He recommends a 385 6000rpm 12v motor
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Have you checked out Norbert Bruggens Conversion kit
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http://www.modelluboot.de/KITS/VII/VIIc.html
He recommends a 385 6000rpm 12v motor
Wow! That's a really neat build! I think I'll contact him, I'm building mine as a surfacer, I do not trust myself enough to build a thing which is supposed to drown itself in the Gulf of Bothnia :-))
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His conversion kit really is very well thought out and executed to almost perfection.
I have not got past playing with the parts yet as I need to finish the myriad other projects before I start this one
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Looking good! Really like 1/72s, they're much easier to handle and transport. What kind of Graupners did you use? I've looked at their ESC named Navy V15R, range from 6 volts. Haven't found any suitable motor yet for my next build- Revells type VIIc 1/72.
The Graupners are the Micro Speed together with 1 Robbe Rokraft 50 and 1 mini servo for the rudder.
I don't no of Graupner stil have those Micro Speed.
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Don't Deans Marine do a complete power train for 1/72 model boats?
Bob
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yes a complete system, though as far as I am aware, they still only run forward - no reverse, was thinking of getting one for another mtb, but work is getting in the way and way to many other projects to build/refit before contemplating that.
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yes a complete system, though as far as I am aware, they still only run forward - no reverse,
They released a forward/reverse set some time back (they posted details here at the time) though this requires you to already have a suitable DSM2 transmitter