Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: mersey dave on August 29, 2012, 02:05:14 pm
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Hi Neil, you have my vote mate and i will keep a close eye on this build. :-)) :-)) :-))
Regards Dave.
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hi neil i have a half built oakley 48ft would make a good plug for fg hulls maybe andy and me might discuss this at blackpool --charlie
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my last would be sixteenth scale
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Oh, very good choice indeed Neil. :-))
We like a vintage sailing craft up here O0
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Are they both going to be sailable, or display only? I was considering a 36' sailing self righter, so would be very interested in seeing how it's done.
Andrew
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Are they both going to be sailable, or display only? I was considering a 36' sailing self righter, so would be very interested in seeing how it's done.
Andrew
Oh definately sailing models Andrew......already enlised the good lady of the house and the sewing machine to get ready for the sets of sails, lol.....
I always say that building a model boat that don't sail is like having a nun for a girlfriend................... {-) {-) {-) {-)
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hi neil i have a half built oakley 48ft would make a good plug for fg hulls maybe andy and me might discuss this at blackpool --charlie
which andy is that, wicker????
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model by design
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think he's got one at 1:12 scale.
neil.
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I'm sure she will make a fine model Neil,especially sailing only.I hope the proposed Padstow boat "Patricia Mary" will be one for the not too distant future? I agree with your comments about rowing models being a bit mechanical looking,one I know of down here does perform well though,using only oars as propulsion,and again,a very complicated mechanism.
Looking forward to the build,with great interest.
Mick F
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I'm sure she will make a fine model Neil,especially sailing only.I hope the proposed Padstow boat "Patricia Mary" will be one for the not too distant future? I agree with your comments about rowing models being a bit mechanical looking,one I know of down here does perform well though,using only oars as propulsion,and again,a very complicated mechanism.
Looking forward to the build,with great interest.
Mick F
that's the problem Mick.....the mechanics of a set of rowers is quite beyond my capabilities, and don't mind admitting that............
never shy'd away from knowing just where I can aim for and as such, will just add crewmen into the boat, sureptitiously possitioned in areas where oars are easily accesible, lol
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Hi Neil, glad to see you back building again, I would have liked to see you build something else but a lifeboat man you are & I think it is what you will always will be. I will be watching every day ,back to learning from the best, good luck with the build, Mick B. PS= I finally heard from Adrian & hope to have the missing bits soon.
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BAGS I first sail :-)) :-)) :-))
Dave
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Hi Neil, glad to see you back building again, I would have liked to see you build something else but a lifeboat man you are & I think it is what you will always will be. I will be watching every day ,back to learning from the best, good luck with the build, Mick B. PS= I finally heard from Adrian & hope to have the missing bits soon.
glad you heard from A, Mick.
as for lifeboats............I think that over the years of building everything from an 8' Scharnhorst, through kits, semi kits and scratch trawlers, tugs, whalers, ambulance boats,and pilot boats as well as a few early Billing kits ( for my crimes against humanity) over my many years of building, I finally found my niche' in lifeboats some years ago, and I tend to gravitate back towards those, as they are a nice challenge to build, are colourful, have lots of charisma............and very very dear to my heart.............I can't see myself running out of boats to build in my lifetime...............and hopefully once I've curled my mortal coil...........I'll at least be remembered for at least one good thing in life, lol.....my lifeboat modelling. %% %% %%
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BAGS I first sail :-)) :-)) :-))
Dave
I'll grant you that one Dave. {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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It was a SHEER PLEASURE to sail your lifeboats at the Lifeboat day on the Wirral so get building rady for next year and I will HOLD you to that one,just name the place and the time M8
Dave
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thanks dave...........and I will do..................just hope I can find the plans for the boats in question sooner than later.
neil.
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I'll tag along for the ride Neil .......comfy seat near a door please.
Dave .......... just off to work now <:(
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the more the merrier, Dave..........now watch those lines in front of your eyes..................make sure they don't verge into one %% %% %%
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talking of booking... bags I a go on the last 3 builds at Blackpool please Neil! 1 will do nicely,2 would be good,3 would be wonderful?
Mick F
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talking of booking... bags I a go on the last 3 builds at Blackpool please Neil! 1 will do nicely,2 would be good,3 would be wonderful?
Mick F
I could earn a few bob for the RNLI letting people sail them at a few quid a time.........now there's an idea. %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
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I don't think the rake of the bow would affect the handling of the boat. We have both pulling and sailing boats in the collection, and both have almost vertical stems. From a purely practical point of view, the same mould could be used for both hulls, even though as you've said, they won't be scale. However, from the photos you've shown us the belting on the Maude Pickup was lower than on the motor boats, actually on the waterline, which means if you did use the same mould it would be wise to not mould the belting to the hull.
Comparing the lines of these two to other Watson type hulls I would say the lower is more likely to be accurate.
Andrew
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actually andrew, having looked more closelyat the plans I showed.....the belting on the pulling/sailing boat have been drawn in the wrong place, as in my pics of the boat and pics of the motor sailer ( and a large A3 pic I have of the sailor) in Leaches 100 years of motor lifeboats, the belting on both boats is in almost the same place give or take a couple of inches in real time........so that wouldn't be much of an issue.
But I'll be able to see that for definate when the photos from my friend in Ireland come through,
neil.
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I second that Neil, They were extremely helpful also when i needed plans for HMS Jura.
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A question, if I may... you said you wanted to use the same mould for both hulls, so how are you going to do the tunnel? Make the mould with the tunnel, and fill it in for the sailing boat, or make the mould without the tunnel and cut it out from the fibreglass hull?
Andrew
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the former, andrew............make the mould with the tunnel and then possibly make a "short" mould that I will make from either plastecine or plaster that fits into the gap of the tunnel( and mould the plastecine/plaster into the correct shape).......... remove the shape,and mould some grp round it and then a moulding to the shape of the plastecine which will then fit into that aft end.....................then again...................I might actually mould a hull for the tunneled version, fill it in and remake the bottom halves of the moulds so that I have two sets................but until I get the plans, I actually can't think any further, as I don't know how large the single prop tunnel is................and I'M GETTING BORED, waiting!!!!!!
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Hooooray...they've found all my plans so just have to send my form off tomorrow with payment........things will start to happen soon, lol %% %% %%
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You are awful (but we like you) when you're bored. {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Not bored any more Kenny....
Have sent my money off for the plans from NMM..........all hundred and ten quid of it {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{............but sadly they couldn't locate any line drawings for either class of boat, so my first job is to enlarge the sets of lines from those shown in post no. and I'll show how I did this when I have got my drawing board set up..............another ptoblem was that whilst tidying a little the other day, I broke the sliding square on my drawing board so am either going to have to fix that pretty quickly or use my old trusted "T" square to draw the sections...............so, no!! not bored anymore......just peeee'd off having to mend something before I do something else.
neil.
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Well.......my good mate rod ( trawlerman) came to my rescue yesterday and gave me some acrylic( perspex to us oldies) to mend my transverse square on my drawing board,and with the help of a few set screws and nuts, a countersink bit and some plastiweld...the jobs agood un........can now set about setting and enlarging the lines for the two boats............at last something to do.
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As long as it's square. {-) {-) {-) {-)
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at least every thing projected from it will be square, ken, ;D ;D ;D %% %% %% %% %%
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well, boredom has manifested into annoyance.......after the initial contact with Simon Stevens, I made the telephone call next day for order forms to be sent.....it took the plans section a week to email them.....would have been quicker by snail mail..sent them off that day.10th september..........and have heard nothing.....post been and gone today........no plans....
so rang up the section today.............
"oh, yes.....they are sitting here waiting to be copied, but the chap who does the copying was on holiday last week, and we only do copying on a wednesday.......
"what about the first wednesday, the day they arrived.............."
"Oh, we do those the wednesday after"
"But you didn't cos the geezer was on holiday?"
"Oh well, they might get done tomorrow, wednesday, but can't promise because we are busy, and if we do, they'll be sent out recorded delivery on thursday!"
WHAT A WAY TO TREAT SOMEONE, who's just spent £120.00 on them...........can't believe it.
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oh well Neil, with those photos I have sent you today,you wont have time to be bored! get filing! and making the add ons in readiness!
cheers,
Mick
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I hope the other boats are similar in fittings and fitments, Mick, cos there is not one fitting on that Thomas Kirk Wright ( and hopefully the others too) that I haven't already made and moulded at some stage earlier, and either Dave or myself have moulds to produce them all....................
I think the next build will be straight forward, and I just hope that they got round to copying my plans today........... >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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SEEMPULS! (not!)
Thanks Neil.
Mick F
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now!!!!.......weren't you listening to your tech drawing teacher all those years ago, matey.lol {-) {-) {-)
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sorry sir! didnt have that subject at skool,unless it came under maths,in which I spent more time getting board rubbers thrown at me or receiving clips round the ear.At least we respected our teachers then!
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Some of us still respect our teachers! I've just finished school and at no point were we asked to do any technical drawing, other than simple bits on the computer (and this was at GCSE and A-level equivalent in Design Technology!). I'm just lucky my dad won a prize in technical drawing when he was at school.
Neil, you had a better start than I did for my 45, I had no lines in any shape or form so had to extrapolate from sections and general arrangement to draw up my own set of lines. Took me over a week to get anything that resembled a Watson...
Andrew
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Very true... They found a design that worked, and stuck to it, just scaled it for different situations.
I did notice a few interesting design differences between the 43 and the 45. Would be nice to see the two side by side eventually.
Andrew
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I did notice a few interesting design differences between the 43 and the 45. Would be nice to see the two side by side eventually.
Andrew
I'm all in favour of that, andrew........far too many modern lifeboat models buzzing around at regattas( I'll leave the building now {-) {-) {-) {-) {-))..
we must have more classics being built, and sailed :-)) :-)) :-))
au revoir.....off to bed now........kerknackered....all that thinking has numbed the brain this afternoon, lol %% %% %%
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Well said that man!
There's far too much orange around... O0
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(http://s12.postimage.org/bcakq5m7d/2012_0905finwhite0001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bcakq5m7d/)
here is a grey one that i have almost completed built from bought plans from r.n.l.i. poole no orange
davidjt
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Brilliant David......more power to the classics
Neil.
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hi Neil
i like the older type lifeboats they have more character to them.
looking now what to build next
david
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David you will certainly have a fan in Neil if you build the older type boats,and I agree they do have much more character to them,its like comparing a modern diesel train to the old steam engines,especially Great Western ones...no contest.My favourite Lifeboat being the Liverpool, that I grew up with at St.Ives.I must also admit that my favourite carrot top is the Tyne Class. A wonderful shaped boat with beautiful lines.
Mick F
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must also admit that my favourite carrot top is the Tyne Class. A wonderful shaped boat with beautiful lines.
Mick F
and the most beautiful engine sound EVER!!
Neil.
Just had a closer look at that lifeboat david........it's gorgeous.......it it the 41' beach class boat,what scale is she built to.
n
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hi mick
i to love the tyne, :-)) built the tyne last year sails fantastic, not to keen on the very latest shannon, but know doubt in years to come maybe i will
david
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hi neil,
yes 41feet watson based at whitehills on 897. thee origanal plan was 1 inch to 1 foot, but i reduced it to 3/4" to the foot 30"long by eight and half wide i am not sure what that scale works out at but i can lift it with ease which is what i needed
david
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That must be the St. Andrew, identical to our Susan Ashley ('cept we don't have her funnel).
I have to admit I am partial to a Brede...
Andrew
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hi,
yes you are right it is St Andrew based at whitehills, which is not there now but i beleve they have restored the lifeboat station
david
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When you lads build the older boats I love to see the old pictures and some of the research you have done.
I really think you guys could could post some interesting threads on the research alone.
Dave
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(http://s13.postimage.org/rvucequub/My_Scans_060.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rvucequub/)
this is where i started with this picture, and dug depear and deaper,susan ashely is at chatem got loads of pictures from lance on lifeboat 24/7.as you look you find lots of interesting data that is agood as building found out that the cabin wasmade of aluminium and not timber as i thought.
david
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I just love studying the plans and seeing new parts to make and mould.
With the new motor sailer William and Laura, there is a beautiful little engine and gearbox plus pumps and things that will need making and moulding, as there's no point in making a model with a lift up lid on the "dog kennel" if you don't put something in it, lol.....that should be fun.
neil
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Scratch built to my ability,not perfick,but i will give it a go,yes i have some orange ones,but the older looking one`s are the one for me.martin
(http://s11.postimage.org/r5wo27f27/001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r5wo27f27/)
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you dont hang about do you!
Have a great day tomorrow my friend..you might be on a promise! Otherwise you can take her to Yorkshire Fisheries,dont forget the mushy peas!
Mick F
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you might be on a promise! Otherwise you can take her to Yorkshire Fisheries,dont forget the mushy peas!
Mick F
that's why I'm having a beer tonight, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Here's a couple of photos of the shaft exit on the 45 - it shouldn't be too different on the 43. The prop sits in a cast iron ring set into the deadwood.
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/45ft%20Watson%20Class/d89d0175f3e28431882c576c3e7252d4.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/45ft%20Watson%20Class/c9e8cce9345bd6bb8049d27f655fd1d9.jpg)
Andrew
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Just remember Neil, once a King always a King but once a Knight is enough @ your age, have a great evening & as usual I am glued to your build, brilliant as usual. Mick B.
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cheers for that andrew........I think I'll make that cast iron ring out of a white metal casting as an insert into the wooden keel sections.those pics will help a great deal.
cheers. neil.
and Mick......once every 25 years is enough the way my back aches, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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my back aches, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Smaller wife is the way to go Neil - - - - - that's a conversation I'd love to hear O0 {-) {-) {-)
Dave
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I do have a few suggestions Neil, none that would escape the blue pen on here. As for you Dave you are just a dirty old man. You do your builds at a very fast rate Neil, I was wondering how many hours a day on average do you spend in your workshop or do you live in there & only come up for air now and again.LOL. Mick B.
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Hi Neil,
Watching your build with interest. May I suggest you lower your Band saw blade as the gap could lead to all sorts of trouble. it could wander off line and maybe into your fingers if it snaps. Hope you don't mind me butting in.
Regards
Ken
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not at all Kenny, and thanks for the advice.........just pure laziness on my part as I was chopping some larger stuff a couple of days ago and needed the height.
I'd have been shot in school by health and safety had I had my gate as high as that, lol.....just pure laziness indeed.
you don't realise just how blase' and lackasidazical you get with your machinery until someone points it out to you, and then embarrasment sets in, lol :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
neil.
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I love my bandsaw. It must be the best thing I've ever bought. So many uses for us scratch builders. :-))
ken
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Just got one - haven't yet had a chance to use it :((
Andrew
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Ive got two.Wish I had a guide fence for my Burgess,and cant even get a blade for my other one.The last blade I bought for it cost me £27 and made 3 cuts before breaking at the weld.I still have all my fingers though!
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I love my bandsaw. It must be the best thing I've ever bought. So many uses for us scratch builders. :-))
ken
I just couldn't be without mine.....use it much more than my circular saw........and in the last 18 years all it has ever needed is a new capacitor. 20 quid........a fantastic machine.
neil
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Ive got two.Wish I had a guide fence for my Burgess,and cant even get a blade for my other one.The last blade I bought for it cost me £27 and made 3 cuts before breaking at the weld.I still have all my fingers though!
The best blades are at Axminster.co.uk The joins are specially welded (so they say)
Back to your thread Neil. ;)
ken
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yes, I buy mine from Axminster...last a lot longer and keep their edge too for a longer life.
neil.
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The gauze is a good idea Neil. Why didn't I think of that . Just the thing if it's being covered anyway. :-))
Cheers
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The gauze is a good idea Neil. Why didn't I think of that . Just the thing if it's being covered anyway. :-))
Cheers
it's about the only thing that DOES look right at the moment, ken.........now i've just found my resin has gone off......lumpy and co agulated, so am off round to rods for some of his, lol........hope he's in, or I'm stumped, lol {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Hope your not having a fry up tonight Neil, looks like you have nicked another of your good lady's splash guard or seive? LOL
Mick F
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Hope your not having a fry up tonight Neil, looks like you have nicked another of your good lady's splash guard or seive? LOL
Mick F
you know me too well Mick.......that's EXACTLY where it came from, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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What filler did you get
Dave
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tell you tomorrow, Dave......workshop locked up now.........but got it from David Browne auto paint shop in Blackpool in a 2 kilo tin........need plenty.
neil.
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It is almost unbelievable, that something looking as "hideous" as this, can be changed into one of your beautiful models Neil.If you were a chess player,you would be a "Grand Master!" Hope I get time to see it next week!
Mick F
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that something looking as "hideous" as this,
glad you like it Mick, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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What filler did you get
Dave
this is the stuff I use Dave, costs me 22 quid a tin. it's nice and easy to sand and finishes well for plug making.
neil.
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SO MUCH HARD WORK !
We are fortunate to see this process from the beginning, conspicuously rare talents revealed !
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and with a worldwide audience! (well Canada & the USA as well as the UK)lol
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yes....my arms ache tonight, and I've ringing in my ears from the sanders, lol %% %% %%
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Got plenty of work for you Neil if you feel the need to rub some filler down will supply all the tea and coffe for you to drink and maybee a few biscuits as well.....Looks dammed good now keep up the good work
dave
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no thanks Dave......it's taken me more than enthusiasm to do this one.........must be either getting old, or fed up.....being that I can't get into the garden to sand it down, I have laboured with this one.............may be my last plug..........thinking of going on to kits after theis one..........will be glad when I get a few coats of grp over it though...............either that or get someone to make the plugs for me???/
Mind you good grounding for if I fancy a resto of an old MG, lol %% %% %% %%
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Hey are you a chuffing MIND reader............reason I was offering you the chance of rubbing filler was on 2 Mgb's that I am restoring for customers....how weired is that
Dave.........................................NOW going to look at where Neil has hidden those spy cameras {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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A big modle show coming up, yes ?
Please help us with some pictures will you ?
( dont ferget the Lasses this time Mate ) ...
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by the end of the weekend, Tim.........there'll be dozens of photos posted on here of the show, from many members......that's the great thing about this forum....everyone shares their time and fun for the benefit of others.
neil.
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Is there a "location" in this site for model boat shows, or will the coverage not be centrally found ?
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yes, Tim....here.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35976.msg400523#new
neil
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what glue did you use to attach the belting? never had much success gluing to filler
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Aliphatic resin, Essex............it will stick timber to almost any porous materials, and quickly too..........usually set rock solid within an hour.
neil.
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Ah right... I have some of that now, I'll give it a go on Will (Billings Will Everard that has become a test bed) this weekend.
Last time I tried normal PVA glue and it wouldn't grab very well
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I never use PVA except for gluing paper to wood and only then for detailing of plates etc.
neil.
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There's a Super Phatic too http://www.deluxematerials.co.uk/pages/emulsionglues.htm
Dave
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Hi Neil not related to his build yet but in your last build you made Silicone Rubber Moulds what Silicone do you use and what Polyurethane resin and were do you get yours from. I want to have a go at making my own moulds.
Thanks John
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hi John...........I buy T30 RTV silicon rubber from Alec Tiranti, Reading, and polyurethane none shatter resin from these people......always superb service from both people.
http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/Standard_Fastcast.html (http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/Standard_Fastcast.html)
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Thanks for that will order some today.
John
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I should imagine it would not come out of the mould. My reason for this is because you have an opposing angle of 90 degrees with recesses.
It would work with rubber moulding but not a rigid structure.
Cheers
Ken
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I'm wondering whether "if I made the mould thin enough" it would bend..........but then it might star crack the gell coat
neil.
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Hi Neil wake up ypu are building a lifeboat, remember, LoL, Mick B.
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WoW..........you've remembered, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
no!..hit a brick wall last week....weather awfull, cold, wet, windy, and I am at the stage where it all now needs wet and dry paper to smooth down before moulding.........my supplier of GRP has gone off sick for a fortnight with varacose veins operation and it this weather it takes a morning to get my shed up to working temperature..........so plain truth.......just haven't been bothered to go out there.........slight hickup I know.........will get back on the job next week.
cheers for the wake up call.........last thing I need is a nagging mate...........got a misses and two kids to do that %% %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
neil.
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I am here ot Nag as well !
We're bored !
back at it straight away, never mind the weather !
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well , yesterday I gave the plug a good rub down with wet and dry and then two coats of ronseal clear polyurethane varnish..........will rub that down today with medium grade wire(steel) wool and then a couple more coats of varnish and leave to go hard.
Next job is to make a card board "flange" from cerial boxes before transfering it to hardboard ready for moulding up to.
no pics as pics of paint drying would, (even to me) be somewhat boring. {-) {-)
Well someone has posted a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATJ-7bGBul0&feature=watch_response
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I wonder how many people (like me) clicked on the shortcut to see what it looked like? I lasted 12 seconds! What a wonderful hobby , just think of all the colours you could post and compare! Think I will dig out my anorak!
Mick F
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I must say though that I think this is going to be the last scratch built model I build.............it took me weeks for my back to recover to what it is normally after the Blackpool show, carrying ( with much help from Mick French) to the water pool, and I just thought it was the extra energy and some bending at the pool to put the boats in..................but the last week or so of rubbing this plug down and man handling it has really hurt and inflamed the back again to the point where it is hard to move...............I am getting too old and decrepit to me man handling plugs.........and this one isn't too heavy or too big...............gawd knows what I'm going to be like after I have finished the glass fibre work.................but I'll have to do it as I have come too far to abandon the project......but boy does it hurt!!
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Neils Lifeboat builds...... Sponsered by Ralgex :D
Hope you feel better soon mate :)
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cheers matey..........but sadly it's degenerative.........spondilosis of the spine and arthritis to all the joints..............it won't get better...........even sadder (and I'm a physical wreck) is that the pain killers I'm on daily gives me constipation.....so have to take senna tablets for it................if I'd have been a horse......they'd have shot me by now, lol
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if I'd have been a horse......they'd have shot me by now, lol
More glue for the rest of us! :D
My problem is my eyesight.... only 40 but its getting quite bad
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I would hate to lose that faculty........take care.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
I have studied your pics but admitadely havent read all the words .. i'm more a visual learner..
I recon that a two piece mould is possible. Will leave it at that, but if you want to chat you know my number.
Regards,
Kim
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cheers Kim............I reckon so too........there isn't much downward pull needed and I think it will clear the belting if a pull outwards and down is made, and with plenty of wax and release agent on the plug it should work.......if it fails, then I'll just have to cut around the belting and fabricate flanges there...........but there isn't as much undercut on this hull as on others.............been putting it off whilst the varnish hardens to take the wire wool, and my supplier returns to work...............put that time now looms, so it looks as though i'm going to have to bite the bullet and get into it..............it won't be so bad once I've made the moulds, and pulled two hulls out, as it's a pretty straight forward boat to build.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
I was thinking flange at midpoint on belting .. let the hull flex ... build mould solid!
Regards,
Kim
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I'd be doing it the other way if any for a two part split mould, Kim.......litterally straight down the centre line of the keel, and the grp wrapping round the belting up to the top of the bulwark level.........that's why I was unsure, but been looking at it long and hard the last two weeks and think that a split mould from the keel would work with only a minimum of huffing and heaving, and with the help of some nylon wedges along the keel to release it from the plug, I reckon it will be ok......the release from the plug is the initial hard bit.........normally a grp moulding from the grp mould comes out a lot easier....well that's the theory anyway, lol %% %%
neil.
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.........normally a grp moulding from the grp mould comes out a lot easier....well that's the theory anyway, lol %% %%
neil.
Lol... Neil even my rubber mallet is showing signs of fatigue and it is only a few months old...
I hear what your saying Neil... but not sure how the tunnel will clear ... but hey.... I bow to your years of experience and sharpen my pencil in readiness!
Regards,
Kim
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Lol... Neil even my rubber mallet is showing signs of fatigue and it is only a few months old...
I hear what your saying Neil... but not sure how the tunnel will clear ... but hey.... I bow to your years of experience and sharpen my pencil in readiness!
Regards,
Kim
Life's a gamble kim......and the way I plan to do it will be a big one./.........I could be left with a plug and a mould stuck on the outside..........might need your rubber mallet yet, lol
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You'rs so Kiplingesque Neil ....... You 'can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two impostors just the same' %)
Dave
No I meant the Poet Neil not the Cake guy
nah Dave.................just philosophical.......if it's going to work, it will..............if it doesn't........... try something else, and put the cock up down to a learning experience, lol
And there I was.....thinking about some nice warm Mr Kipling's Almond tarts.......just like me mum used to make, god bless her. <:( <:(
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I backfilled the flange this afternoon..............
Oh Neil, if only you understood how bad that sounds.
needless to say im enjoying the build, keep it up.
Dan
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have you sent your family away Neil? you are working in the house and not the shed?how have you managed to get away with that?
Mick F
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they make concessions for me being an old man now, and let me wax the boat in the house........saves warming the shed up........lol
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why does that sound familiar? :embarrassed:
I have the same rules lol
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thats nice mate :-))
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cheers, just something out the ordinary that I've enjoyed tinkering with.
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ive been following your build of the plug and eagerly wait to see it completed , but that motor will look great in the boat :-))
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Smashing bit of work Neil. :-))
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Thanks Kenny..........I've just found a gentleman on the net, with the help of Adross who is wanting a real motor of the same, and emailed him last night asking if he had any photos of the motor.........he's going to send me some when he returns from the West Indies.
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ive been following your build of the plug and eagerly wait to see it completed , but that motor will look great in the boat :-))
thanks..........hopefully my grp supplies will be with me early next week so will be cracking on with the mould asap.
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oops {:-{
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(http://images.teamtalk.com/08/09/800x600/doh_1171688.jpg)
They do look very nice tho, can you not trim them down to fit?
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Looking good Neil,except the last 3 photos of course! Wot no marigolds?
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You are doing some really skillful work here Neil & I see it takes lots of patience to do it right. When you have finished how many hulls will you be able to make from this mould & will you be selling them as well, if so put me on a list for one, or is it going to be part of a new kit ?. Mick B.
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looking better by the day!I agree with you about the "splinters" not only do they hurt like h*ll,but they are so difficult to find,I always end up with the hole in my skin at least 3 times as big as when the splinter entered.Judging by the E mails I have just swapped with him Mick B had better beware if he gets a splinter,they havent even got specsavers in Canada lol.Keep up the good work Neil,and I hope the forecasted frosty weather wont effect the drying times too much
Mick F
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Mick B has lost weight and is now far too thin to get splinters.
Enjoying this thread Neil - keep up the good work.
Dave
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You are doing some really skillful work here Neil & I see it takes lots of patience to do it right. When you have finished how many hulls will you be able to make from this mould & will you be selling them as well, if so put me on a list for one, or is it going to be part of a new kit ?. Mick B.
if I look after the mould I could possibly get 50 - 60 mouldings out of a mould, Mick............if you wanted one I could make one for you at some stage......not intended to be a kit though, just fancied building something different.
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cheers guys.
hope by tomorrow evening to have the mould finished. yippeee.
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Hi Neil, lovely work as usual, however I would be tempted to put flat washers both sides of the holes for the coach bolts, use as large as you can fit to spread the load over a greater area, hope you are not offended by that suggestion, Mick B.
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not at all Mick......any comments of help are taken well meaningly..........
there is no load on the bolts though.........they litterally hand tightened to hold the mould together, and not screwed tight.
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Neil,
I'm impressed you got it out sucessfully and the speed you did it in!
Given the speed did you use tooling gel & resin?
Regards,
Kim
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Did you choose the scale specifically to fit the bath Neil?
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Neil,
I'm impressed you got it out sucessfully and the speed you did it in!
Given the speed did you use tooling gel & resin?
Regards,
Kim
No, kim......just common or garden reblend winter resin from Glasplies...45 quid for 20 kilos..........the amount of mouldings that will be pulled from this set doesn't warrant any expensive stuff, lol
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Did you choose the scale specifically to fit the bath Neil?
absolutely Rob.........I'll just be able to fit in the bath with the model..........lol.....
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Hmmn, slipping into a hot bath with a model.....
Sounds like a very good idea Neil but mind your back. %)
Dave
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I keep thinking that you have a dirty or even a clean mind Dave depending on the model. Just be careful Neil we don't want you being found dead in a bathtub in a situation like that, what would the neighbours think. ( as if you would care ) Mick B.
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the way my family are feeling about me at the moment I might be found so with a knife in the back........not mr popular after a day's christmas shopping, lol
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At least here in Mayhemland you are the ever popular Neil O0
Ho Ho .... yes it should be three but two Ho's is all I can manage tonight.
Dave
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I dont know why I have missed your last 2 days postings,but have read them now. You in a bath with a model? must be a submarine,"up periscope!"
Just think of all that money you have saved on Christmas shopping,my friend,the family are spending it for you!
Mick F
(they luv you really!)
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the way my family are feeling about me at the moment I might be found so with a knife in the back........not mr popular after a day's christmas shopping, lol
My wife and I have the phillosophy.... "If we can't order it online they don't get it!" :)
I hate shopping and funnily so does my wife!
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Very nice....Looks well...Rod :-)) :-))
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I bet you are relieved to get that first one out,it must have been a moment of trepidation! for you,particularly as you had slightly changed your method.So glad it worked for you,it really does look good.Award yourself a plastic duck for effort(and to play with in the "test tank"
Mick F
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Neil, seeing as the other one is a sailer, are you filling in the tunnel after the hull's been moulded? It looks very good by the way.
Oh and a tip on making the hull look just that little bit better: if you now diagonally plank the GRP hull with brown paper then seal, sand, prime and paint as usual, it makes the hull look like it's a planked timber hull without adding any substantial thickness. Just a suggestion, I've tried it on one of mine and I've seen it done on others to good effect
Andrew
I'm still wondering what method I'm going to use to fill the tunnel andrew.......as for plannking the hull to simulate diagonal.....................to much of a fag for me matey...no one ever sees the hull at 30 feet from the bank and if the so nit picky when it's on dry land they can build one themselves.........not a showman sorry, just build to enjoy.
and yes, Mick....I am well pleased that the first came out well...thge others will now get easier the more worn in the mould becomes........going for a bath now, as the gelcoat on the second moulding is now in the mould and curing ready for another hull tomorrow......then I'll choose what to do with the hull tunnel for the pulling sailer.
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glad all went well with the 1st hull there :-))
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cheers. :-))
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Oooh goody! :-))
(I've got some pictures of a kapok jacket laid out that I can post up if you need them Neil)
Lance
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yes please Lance. cheers, neil.
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I didnt realise there were so many in your range Neil,I can only think of 4 that I have seen.
Mick F
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Yes, I made 8 originally, Mick...........I will be making 2 new ones for the other two costume sets so will be 10 in each set after that....with a few sitting figures converted from standing men for pulling and sailing boats.
This is a job for indoors with milliput and cold winter nights, lol
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My goodness Neil you never cease to amaze me with the things that you can do. Have you considered making models for the later lifeboats like the Tamar, I would jump at the chance to buy some. It is Xmas time again & I would be remiss without saying how much I have enjoyed your threads during the year & the amount of interest you have created on the forum for the RNLI. You are responsible for my interest in lifeboats & I thank you very very much for that. Thank you again for the help & friendship you have extended to me & many others, & a Merry Xmas & Happy New Year. Kind Regards, Mick B.(the Mick in Canada. PS = all the bears are asleep right now so can't send you one.
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Hi Neil the Swan Morton knives are # 1 until they slip & then look out. I had the same thing happen a couple of weeks ago, I sliced through my thumb like a piece of butter, never felt it until the blood started to flow. I used super glue to close it up & it worked ( I think Super Glue was invented for battlefield wounds in the first place)Hope you are back on the job soon. As for kind words, you have earned them, time after time you offer your vast knowledge & help freely & also produce very educational threads as well, I can honestly say I have learned more from your threads than anywhere else, thank you for that. Mick B.
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Hope you are back on the job soon.
Or at least back in the workshop Neil. {-)
Dave
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me bad back stops me doing anything else Dave.........wash yer mouth out for thinking anything else, {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Neil,
Am I right that some of your 'boats' are shown in the latest edition, December in OZ, Model Boats mag.
Dave Wooley reports on Wallasey Model Boat Society, three of your boats are mentioned, yes/no
Was going to post the two [photos but thought I might be treading on thin ice if I did, plus you probably already have it blown up and hung above the mantel piece. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Yes you are right! He has been in twice recently! We have to call him SIR now,and maybe he will be in the New Year Honours List "Sir Neil of Pugwash" LOL
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I have to ask... Was that guy supposed to have a monocle? Is he based on anyone in particular?
Andrew
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Patrick Moore :}
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your'e a STAR! more the shape of Donald Pleasence ,Blofeld in the James Bond film?
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Yes you are right! He has been in twice recently! We have to call him SIR now,and maybe he will be in the New Year Honours List "Sir Neil of Pugwash" LOL
You may not be aware but in OZ, we now have our own honour system, which replaced the Imperial Honours, this means
Sir Neil, now equates to MISTER Neil O0 O0 O0 O0
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I have to ask... Was that guy supposed to have a monocle? Is he based on anyone in particular?
Andrew
yep, and No....just a figment of my imagination, lol
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We all know Neil that you have a vivid imagination, your work leaves me gob smacked. Here was me buying prop shafts with a brand new lathe just sitting there, not no more, from now on I will be making my own, one more trick I have learned from Sir Neil, you can't see it but I am doing a big courtesy, LOL. Mick B.
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the only reason I make them Mick is not for vanity in saying I made it myself.......but the pure and simple thing that it would cost me more in time and money to drive a 50 mile round trip to lancaster to buy one than it does a few minutes work on a lathe.pure and simple economics and time.
Had I not had the lathe, I'd have had to wait till tomorrow to go up there, and if they hadn't got one..an order taking days on the internet. And I can make them any length I want and need.
That lathe has paid for itself over and over again through the years I've owned it.
neil.
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Neil,
I am impressed with photo 006. O0 O0 O0
Brings back memories from my old subject of descriptive geometry and drawing and using 'odd' scales without a scale rule :-)) :-)) :-)) .
Still applicable in today age even when building full size and you wish to maintain ratios.
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It's amazing what you remember from school when you need it...............that was 47 years ago I learned that little aspect of tech drawing.........and still use it today,lol :-))
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It's amazing what you remember from school when you need it...............that was 47 years ago I learned that little aspect of tech drawing.........and still use it today,lol :-))
Good to see some of the 'old' Tech Drawing solutions were used in more modern times. O0 O0
I finished my schooling before you, namely more than 47 years ago, which may make you younger. {-) {-) {-)
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62 next birthday..........and the way I feel today.like a hundred and two..........slipped down a full flight of stairs yesterday, and ache in places I never knew possible.............must learn to take more water with it, lol {-) {-) {-) {-)
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just a youngster! did you miss a step,or hit every one LOL?
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Ho Ho Ho....He most likely rolled down and fell on his sore thumb Ho Ho Ho...Rod :-)) :-)) :-)) {-) {-) {-)
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Self inflicted - just trying to get off all x'mas duties.
A lot like the footballers picking up their bans - Ho Ho Ho
Dave
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Gee Neil I don't ever want to get you mad after seeing what the poor boat went through, Merry Xmas all the same, Mick B.
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Always a nervous time, drilling holes in the hull, but you've made a good job of that. :-))
Yes it is a quiet time today. What is it that makes em go out shopping after all that buying ?!!
Ken
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What is it that makes em go out shopping after all that buying ?!!
Ken
Thanks ken........as to your question..........I haven't the foggiest.........but it's pure BLISS!!!!!
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I noticed. That's why I've been in the workshop. Bit warmer today.
Ken
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Bliss? ..... Wife has been shopping on her new tablet for days now Neil. Jury is still out on whether it's better than her actually going shopping. {:-{
Dave
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Always a nervous time, drilling holes in the hull, but you've made a good job of that. :-))
Yes it is a quiet time today. What is it that makes em go out shopping after all that buying ?!!
Ken
Genetic deficiency, its part of their make up %) %) %) oops got to go now SWIMBO is calling,
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I too have been sorting out deck supports today for my Cygnus.
Where did you go for the Gussets Neil?
Don't think SWIMBO would part with hers :D :D :D
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she's way past gussets as a helping aid ned.............ouch! >>:-( ..stop it dear!!! help.!!!!! <:( <:( <:( <:(
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I think Wodney deserves a Porridge sandwich for all the help he has given you today,and a bone for Ally! (sorry folks...an in joke!) by the way Neil,I hope you arent going to grease it with that margerine in the photo!
Seriously though,it just goes to prove that there are ways round things of difficulty,and that mates nearby is a good asset as well.
Mick F
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and he's just helped me tap out my UJ brass fitting to go on the shaft..........'eezze a diamond geezerr
neil.
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Stop leaving the workshop Neil and you will be ok.
Glad to hear you never actually ran them over - still must have been a shock to your system.
Dave
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cheers Dave......both days I'd like to forget, really.
Mind you, hopefully soon I'll be working towards getting the decks onto the models..........and not much fitting out...........might have them ready for Etherow Lifeboat day.
neil.
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cheers Dave.....but got to go to Lancaster to the model shop for glue and plywood tomorrow.................might be safe going that way, so long as I don't stop anywhere else, lol
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Hi Neil I was just wondering why you never got a job with the war department building tanks, you certainly believe in building them strong, lovely work. I am happy despite your many scrapes that you are O/K & had no serious injuries. Regards, Mick B.
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stronger the better Mick............they don't fall apart when you pick 'em up then matey.
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If only we could get that finish on BASP... Then again, shiny deck... Maybe not.
Saw her when she was at Poole a couple of years ago, she's looking really nice but the timber's a bit grainy.
Andrew
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If only we could get that finish on BASP... Then again, shiny deck... Maybe not.
Saw her when she was at Poole a couple of years ago, she's looking really nice but the timber's a bit grainy.
Andrew
She was brought to Blackpool, via Hercules transport aircraft and then onto Fleetwood for Fleetwood's 150th RNLI station anniversary a few years ago......looked fantastic.....and a great pleasure to see her so close up.
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Hi Neil, if you look close at the deck pictures of the William Riley you will see that all the brass screw slots face the same direction, now that is attention to detail & the reason some peoples workmanship is a cut above all the rest, stunning finishing work & time consuming as well. Looking at the space you have for access to the interior, I might have to loan you a few Leprechauns to fit the motor & servo,or is there no motor in this boat ?.Thank you Neil for the email address of Adrian. Mick B.
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one of the boats, the sailing vessel only needs two servo boxes and a receiver/battery box building into the floor as there's no motor, but the motor sailor will need some access to the hull.........so am making some hatches for the two boats at the moment, and they will be flush fitted to the deck with my "patent" watertight flush deck hatch, which will all be revealed in the next few days.................as for the screw heads all facing the same direction...f.f.f.f.f.firetrucks!!!!!!
neil.
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Well done Irishcarguy for noticing such detail but it goes further than that. The screw heads appear to be following the grain of the wood because the ones on the seat or cross members are at rightangles to the ones on the deck. Perfection or OCD? lol
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Not really, it's just the way it's done. Probably all restored boats and museums have all the screw heads lined up, most of ours do, because it's just a tidy way to leave things. However, it does mean that some are too tight and some aren't tight enough. If you ever get a chance to come to Chatham the Susan Ashley has just had her bulkhead refurbished, and all those screws have been lined up.
Andrew
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Well done Irishcarguy for noticing such detail but it goes further than that. The screw heads appear to be following the grain of the wood because the ones on the seat or cross members are at rightangles to the ones on the deck. Perfection or OCD? lol
No, just indicates that the work was done by a tradesman, rather than a DIY or handy man.
Trademen were taught, not now though, that the screw slots should align with, (if the gain was visible) the grain and if that grain was the longest axis.
Even today, with Philips head screws, you can note tradesmen aligning one bar of the "cross slot' in line with the grain. O0 O0 O0
ps, where there is no grain visible, then the slots align with the long axis of the material, that is along the length of a plank.
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We certainly are a bright bunch of modellers, the things we notice & know how the real tradesmen did their work, they had real professional pride in the way they did things, some still do. Andrew it does not matter so much if a screw is 1/2 a turn loose or tight in wood but it is a big issue with bolts in metal, there the right torque matters most to the exclusion of all else, never mind making it look pretty. After 50 years as a technician I still like things lined up if possible though, it has an added touch about it. I have on occasion used another bolt to get a better fit. In my shop we never reuse a nut or bolt again, why you may ask, & the answer is when it was used last it could have been over tightened & stretched beyond its limit. Mick B.
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{-) right or tight Andy - I can't see a screw being left loose {-) ... Unless I look in the mirror %%
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£20! I wonder how much Lead is in an old car battery?
They are always being thrown over railway bridges. <*<
Damnable dangerous pastime that is too.
Dave
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£20! I wonder how much Lead is in an old car battery?
They are always being thrown over railway bridges. <*<
Damnable dangerous pastime that is too.
Dave
I thought that a man of your calibre would be able to dodge those easily Dave and the ones you don't ..give 'em a scouser's kiss {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Crumbs !!! that seems a lot of lead Neil. How did you know how much to insert. ?
ken
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Hi Ken.........there is bare minimul top hamper on these two boats, except the two masts and rig (3 sails) but the boat is so beamy, at 12.5" with approximately 2'5 inches of draught they need a lot of lead to bring them down to waterline..........6.5 kilos to be precise, with little added weight to go on...........the only heavy thing on them will be the resin crew and once I've weighed them plus the timber and other odds and sods to be used subtracted the weight of all sundries and resin I'll remove that amount of weight from the lead and then set the rest in place.,
they sail pretty well down in the water as well, and with the drop keels I reckon will be more like ice breakers than racing yachts, lol.
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Thats a significant course change Captain !
It is quite clear though that you know where to take these two fine models, I watch Closely and LEARN !
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But an easier one for me to take, Tim......not knowing the intricacies of sailing boats, I went to a friend in Fleetwood who does, and sails all sorts of sailing craft, and he told me an easy way of doing it ( for myself) and so have decided to do it that way, and that doesn't entale using winch servos.
neil.
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Hmmn
That slot in 002jpg looks suspiciously 'coin' shaped. O0
Are you collecting towards the build costs Neil.
Dave
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nothing less than 50 quid notes thanks Dave {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Oh definately sailing models Andrew......already enlised the good lady of the house and the sewing machine to get ready for the sets of sails, lol.....
I always say that building a model boat that don't sail is like having a nun for a girlfriend................... {-) {-) {-) {-)
Ever been with a nun? As the auld saying goes, 'don't knock it till ye've tried it!' :embarrassed: %% :kiss:
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Neil,
I am shocked :o :o :o that you would use such a sexist comment as WAG's. O0 O0 O0
We aren't Sheilas <*< <*< contrary to what some cricket fans say. ;D ;D
I thought WAG's was a term we inherited from you, namely Wives And Girlfriends. {-) {-) {-)
See you at dawn with rowing oars and rowlicks at ten paces. >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*<
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did I say Wag, raarty......sorry matey....I meant it in the old venacular before the yuppies and nimbies got to terms with our abreviated sayings and language................."wag" as in joyful, playful, impish and mischeivous person with a totally oddball sence of humour............
I feel at times that our language has been stolen by "modern" pc orientated numpties who have to abreviate everything.............
so matey......your still a wag and a card to me..........and meant in the nicest possible way, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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dont forget your mini skirt and high heels,or you might be disadvantaged,then its handbags ready! :} :embarrassed: <*<
I'll have you know my handbag is full of loose coins helps my swing in getting my point across <*< <*< {-) {-) {-)
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Coming together very nicely Neil,and they are going to look the part. Ive always said modelling is armless fun and enjoyment <*<
Mick F
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Dave
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ooooooohh...............I've suddenly gone deaf {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Looking good Neil, yep I'm back on after a brief absence settling into new job. Dave. :-))
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Sorry Neil :embarrassed: ...but it looks like your crew could do "ARM"............. {-) ....Derek :-))
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Looking good Neil, yep I'm back on after a brief absence settling into new job. Dave. :-))
good to see you back matey.......how's that Clyde coming on.
still got those 90mm props if you need them for the boat.
neil.
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Sorry Neil :embarrassed: ...but it looks like your crew could do "ARM"............. {-) ....Derek :-))
finger's McGraw says it's just an armless bit o' fun {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Looking good Neil, yep I'm back on after a brief absence settling into new job. Dave. :-))
Good to see you back on here Dave,hope you stay with us now! Look forward to seeing your Clyde!
Cheers,
Mick F
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Hi there Neil and Mick, yep I'll have those props off you for the Clyde Neil, not forgotten about them. I've not made a start on Clyde yet as been trying get the big Prinz Eugen something like, and work has been very busy. Still loads to do on PE it's such a monster and there's so much detail work to do. I am hoping to be able to sail it this year at a couple of shows, I don't usually like to sail unfinished projects but it could literally take years to complete.
Dave. :-))
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how about some photos of the P E then Dave? I dont remember a thread on her on here? What size/scale is she?
Mick F
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she's one of ours Mick......a big 72" long rascal..........oooohhhh %% %% %% %%
And the rest, lol. She's around 9'6", here's a pic taken this morning. I'll post some more on my Prinz Eugen thread later today.
Dave. :-))
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Thats a big beastie Dave! Looking good though!
Mick F
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And the rest, lol. She's around 9'6", here's a pic taken this morning. I'll post some more on my Prinz Eugen thread later today.
Dave. :-))
no mate........I meant the Clyde is the big one at 1:12 scale.
now a question for Furball please.
what lengths are the "full" planks on the B.A.S.P Lance.....would you know by any chance please.
they don't show on my plans from the RNLI.
cheers, neil.
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I'm trying to think if there actually are any long planks. The are so many hatches in the deck (fuel tank access, filler caps and pump deck plates), and with the long engine casing, most of the lengths are interrupted. Looking at the plans, I think there's one that's maybe 17 or 18 foot long running from the forward end box to the front of the canopy.
I'm sure if they could have got away with it, the planks would be continuous from end to end.
Lance
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thanks Lance, that's what I wanted to hear....cheers. :-))
neil.
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looking good Neil.
will you leave them bare headed,or mould on Souwesters,or long woolly bonnets/hats?
Mick F
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glad you told us about the first photo Neil,at first I thought they were big fat turbots,and then I thought,no,they are toilet seats and lids!
Dont you think I have a good imagination?
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think you need to find help matey............and quickly {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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You have got us all hooked Neil,cant wait for the next installment!Who would have thought of putting Lego and Plasticene to such a different use than normal!
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Looks like a macarbre scene from a Spaghetti western
I nominate that photo for the Mayhem calendar .... Hang on we don't we have one? Could just be an ecalendar? (My iPhone wants to correct that to 'scale dad' hilarious) {-)
Dave
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talk about burying their heads in the sand {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
nighty night........off to bed, been my younger daughter's birthday and I'm pooped......think it was all the birthday cake I ate, lol
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And lastly, the Lego blank has been removed from the "back" of the mould box reveiling the underside of the mould/figure, ready to be used on the next mould box.
you need some new lego !!!!!
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Never mind Neil, at least the cake turned out ok !LOL
Mick F
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you need some new lego !!!!!
I do Guy......but have you seen the price of it, second hand on ebay............... costs more that my rubber for a decent amount, lol.......frightening!!! %% %% %% %% %%
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Never mind Neil, at least the cake turned out ok !LOL
Mick F
the cake Mick, was absolutely delicious........and made by my good lady wife as well .......yum yum, O0 O0 O0
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hi neil,
i was going to have ago at makeing some moulds, but now you have told me the cost i am stund :o :o didnt realise that it cost so much. will stick to re modeling some old figures of the car boot sale with my DAS modelling clay.
david
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the big question here is.........what colour where they painted, Lance...........any ideas?
Problably not painted, but just galvanised, so dull silver/grey. On the two boats we have with drop keels (45' Watson B.A.S.P. and Norfolk & Suffolk James Leath), they're well and truly rusted solid in their boxes.
Lance
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yes, it is expensive stuff, David.........but will produce many mouldings.
neil.
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Problably not painted, but just galvanised, so dull silver/grey. On the two boats we have with drop keels (45' Watson B.A.S.P. and Norfolk & Suffolk James Leath), they're well and truly rusted solid in their boxes.
Lance
cheers lance........I wouldn't have chosen that colour had you not told me.........would have thought black or grey.......but will now paint, when time ready with some galvanised colour paint.
cheers, neil.
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Hi Neil
Facinated by the moulding process and eagerly watching a master at work! Very much enjoying following this build Neil, great work. Many happy returns to your daughter too! Cake looked lovely. I take it it doesn't look like that now! :}
Regards
Andrew
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I do Guy......but have you seen the price of it, second hand on ebay............... costs more that my rubber for a decent amount, lol.......frightening!!! %% %% %% %% %%
pm sent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thanks Pioneer....yes, cake almost gone. and thanks for the good wishes.
cheers, Andrew, those pictures are most helpful thanks a lot....the plans I have, although RNLI issue show little info and true representation of what was fitted.
neil.
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pm sent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for the Pm Guy. really appreciate it.
neil.
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I will say it. :o :o
There are a couple of Chinese, other brand equivalents, which interlock with 'Lego' :-)) O0 O0
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nice work
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Looking good. :-))
Ken
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thanks guys............... I'm on automatic at the moment, lol.........
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my marathon is nearly over
Just a Twix, Kit Kat, and a Cadbury's Creme Egg to go :}
Dave
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you are a cad sir...........but it's an idea after my tea, lol {-) {-) {-)
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Neil,
the only thing I could suggest is to make a small diameter hole in a concealed part of the deck,which you could put a watertight "bung" in.This would only have to be large enough to insert a plastic tube attached to a large syringe,with which you could suck any water out?
Mick F
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But I still need to put my r/c gear into somewhere Mick..........so am in a quandry.
going to bed to think about it, lol
neil.
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Pardon me for asking Neil but don't you have better things to do in bed ?. Mick B.
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not while he's eating his mars bars, twix bars,Kit Kat,and Cadburys creme egg he hasnt!
Mick F
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Pardon me for asking Neil but don't you have better things to do in bed ?. Mick B.
at my age mate.......definately no......the only thing \i am capable of IS thinking, lol
great to see you back posting.
neil.
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You are aware of the saying, that if you think it you have done it/do it :o :o :o %) %) %)
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sorry, raarty.....i couldn't remember that one to even repeat {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) even if I wanted to.
the only one I ever remember is: Here lies the body of Ezra Pound,
Lost at sea, and never was found?
Anon.
who the h*** was Ezra Pound???
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Oh alright then .............. best of luck. :}
Cant say theres no arm in it because there is.
Ken
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I wish I had just 10% of your energy Neil O0 I would be a positive powerhouse.
.... ok maybe 20%
You could have made a decent tv series of your last few builds mate.
Dave
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An armless bit o' fun Kenny.
Dave..........tellytubbies would get better ratings {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Just over six weeks ago I started to re jig and re "costume" the set of lifeboat figures I developed, and it has been a constant slog on the road to producing the moulds for some new figures.
countless hours , £300.00p + and 24 moulds later I am now ready to try them out to see if they mould well or not..............I have "cut" the moulds with the channels for the resin to flow, so hopefully tomorrow I'll start "running" the moulds in. wish me luck.
good luck, i too have several RTV silicon moulds curing at present, lets hope mine are as good as yours ! let the resin flow !
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Good luck Neil :-)) I hope they turn out well, you have certainly put a lot of work into the project.
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Thanks guys, but the mouldings will only come out as good as the master that they are taken off.........and until I get one out, I don't know whether I spent enough time on finishing them as I should have.
what are you moulding Guy, is it for a boat or something else?
neil.
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Unfortunately, my daughter's in bed with flu, and wife out so I'm playing nursemaid, so no play today, so far {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Thanks guys, but the mouldings will only come out as good as the master that they are taken off.........and until I get one out, I don't know whether I spent enough time on finishing them as I should have.
what are you moulding Guy, is it for a boat or something else?
neil.
i spent some time as an architectural modelmaker some 25 yrs ago, working in varoius materials , i have alot of moulds from 'paid work' in the past, anything from walling with textures on it, to mouldings of balcony with ballustrades , also bridges and all sorts of random stuff - steps and stairs, chimneys, and other details - i have customers who sometimes come back for more and more recently i have sold walls and similar items made and produced for people to use with slot car dispalys, model railways and walls and chimney details at a larger scale for top end bespoke dolls houses....
the moulds i have now are for a detailed dry stone wall panels which were made and moulded to a customers specification... i will hopefully pull them out tonight and test cast a set
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that sounds very interesting Guy..............
one of these days I'm going to be getting fed up of building model boats and ships (as I'm running out of prorotypes that I wish to build), and settle down to something I have always wanted to do, and that is an "N" guage railway layout in my workshop........I had never thought of moulding such things until you just told me what you do.............I suppose the options are endless reallu, with wall sections as you say, being moulded and used for scale buildings and such.
I'd very much like to see some of your work, and wouldn't mind at all if you posted some pics of your work on my thread, if you wished to do so.
cheers, neil.
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and settle down to something I have always wanted to do, and that is an "N" guage railway layout in my workshop
cheers, neil.
Nice idea, I wish I had known a few months back as I just cleared out about 800quids worth of Fleishmann N gauge track, and about the same again in locos and stock.
On my to do list is a garden railway in H0.... have the locos, stock and track, just need some nice weather... -10c and 3 feet of snow makes digging footings even more hassle than normal lol
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My railway is 1:1 so I really wouldn't' want a model layout ..... but a little diorama of a train ferry set up might be nice :}
Have to be a really small scale though.
Dave
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i have n gauge and Z gauge- both are in storage up in the loft, ( well my son uses them from time to time
i would love a garden layout, maybe g or o scale but it'll never happen, SWMBO will always say no to that...
but i do have bekonscot 5 miles away to get my fix from time to time of garden layouts !
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Oh yes........to stop you all puzzling over what the little round object is in the first picture.......it was the trial mould I talked about to test the release agent, (which didn't work) and I had to cut the mould apart........the round object is a drift net float and am casting some for my mate trawlerman for his latest project................only another 19 or so to go, lol %% %% {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Thye really look darned good there Neil :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Dave
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cheers Dave.............I'm well pleased with them.
neil.
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Wow Neil they are really good. :-))
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excellent results..... did my first casting tonight too, i too am well happy with the outcome....
Neil dont know if you have seen it, you have a pm....
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thanks chaps.
yes, Guy............I sent you an email on the email address you added.
could you confirm you have got it, as I have had some probs tonight.......mysteriously for some reason I have sent a 15 quid payment via paypal to someone who I haven't a clue who they are nor have I bought anything......so have been changing my password on paypal............how does that happen.
I have obviously cancelled the payment.
neil
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they are really looking good Neil,I have e mailed you,and hope your probs are sorted,I have got your messages thanks.
Mick F
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Looking darn fine Neil... :-)) :-)) :-))
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thanks chaps.
yes, Guy............I sent you an email on the email address you added.
could you confirm you have got it, as I have had some probs tonight.......mysteriously for some reason I have sent a 15 quid payment via paypal to someone who I haven't a clue who they are nor have I bought anything......so have been changing my password on paypal............how does that happen.
I have obviously cancelled the payment.
neil
thanks neil - got your email, will respond later !
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you cant say "all hands on deck" they aint got none!lol
Mick F
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you cant say "all hands on deck" they aint got none!lol
Mick F
you're being presumtuous...there ain't no deck yet, lol
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Modelling is armless fun ain't it :D
Ned
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I feel sorry for 'em all.....one of the great pleasures in life is being able to pick yer nose......these guys are sadly lacking that ability............ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Neil this cruelty to the crew. where is health & safety when you need them or would these guys fall under the RSPCA ( hope I got that right)They are sure looking good though & will add that extra detail to the completed boats. One of these days Neil you will have to give up your day job & may be take up model boat building as a hobby.Keep up the good work, you are like a good cartoon writer, I would not miss one of your strips for anything. Mick B.
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Neil I wouldnt worry about a thing the crew are ARMLESS enough {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Dave
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None of them are going to get a rounds of drinks in %)
But nicely done Neil
Dave
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Neil this cruelty to the crew. where is health & safety when you need them or would these guys fall under the RSPCA ( hope I got that right)They are sure looking good though & will add that extra detail to the completed boats. One of these days Neil you will have to give up your day job & may be take up model boat building as a hobby.Keep up the good work, you are like a good cartoon writer, I would not miss one of your strips for anything. Mick B.
I sincerely hope all the moderators are monitoring this thread and prevent this happening on a family forum such as this.
OK for you in private but :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I promise you all this that there are a few guys that can have a free round or two if we make it to the Wickstead weekend next year & both Phyllis & I will be more than happy to pay. By that time I hope your little men Neil will have arms ready to raise a glass in a toast to a great Forum & also to a great bunch of guys. Mick B.
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Boy, oh Boy you are sure quick on the uptake today ARRTY. Mick B.
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Boy, oh Boy you are sure quick on the uptake today ARRTY. Mick B.
As It's daytime in the land of OZ, we are wide awake to you guys %) %) %) {-) {-) {-)
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you HONESTLY wouldn't want to see me strip.....................someone would be calling the Japanese whaling fleet and Greenpeace for sure {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
trawlerman will vouch for that..................oooops ssorry he'll be in bed by now......gettin' old you know, lol
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he'll be in bed by now......gettin' old
:o Of what?
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Hi guys....Getting old of nowt, I can,t get passed the vandal-proof nightie, unlike you lot i realise i need my beauty sleep.....Rod {-) {-) {-)
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Hi guys....Getting old of nowt, I can,t get passed the vandal-proof nightie, unlike you lot i realise i need my beauty sleep.....Rod {-) {-) {-)
come on Wodney,surely a man of your skills can make a key for your chastity belt?
Mick F
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Hi Mick...I can,t be bothered, I,d rather build my drifter...Rod
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A good pair of scissors & you start from the top. That scares the hell out of them,just make sure you have the money for a new nightie Trawlerman, but in those circumstances we would all subscribe to a replacement, preferably the easy access model that has fur around the bottom as a neck warmer, LOL.
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go for a cold shower man...and get over it. {-) {-) {-) {-)
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What a fantastic looking old saw !!!
As far as access aft, it was the right thing to do to open 'er up, otherwise fate would bring failure to the servo straight away and the job of cover removal would have been verrrrry unpleasant..
Boats are looking Great !
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I swear Neil Noah must have used some of your tools when he was building the ark. As usual everyday more progress, it is my favourite thread. Always something to learn, even if it is just how to correct mistakes & make everything look like new again.Thanks again for a great build & thread. Mick B.
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Neil, the only thing I can see that you might have problems with is when sailing it'll be difficult to have a coxswain at the wheel, if the wheel is connected to the servo. However, you could attach a length of tube to the back of the wheel so it could be essentially free-wheeling on the shaft.
I'm lucky in that the 45' doesn't have this type of steering, but I've still got to put the servo in the endbox. How did you do the rudder connection on the Liverpool?
Andrew
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Neil, the only thing I can see that you might have problems with is when sailing it'll be difficult to have a coxswain at the wheel, if the wheel is connected to the servo. However, you could attach a length of tube to the back of the wheel so it could be essentially free-wheeling on the shaft.
I'm lucky in that the 45' doesn't have this type of steering, but I've still got to put the servo in the endbox. How did you do the rudder connection on the Liverpool?
Andrew
Hi andrew......I'm just going to put the coxs'ns arm close to the wheel as though he's touching it.......no one with even half decent eyesight will see it from 50 feet on the lake, %% %% %% %%
as for the Liverpool steering I prayed to luck that the servo wouldn't give me trouble, and it was all sealed inside the end box, if I can remember properly............luckily whilst in my ownership, my prayers were answered. the linkage was as with the Anne Letitia Russell kit.
I would do it different though if I built another though, so as to be able to access it.
neil..
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you could always articulate the arms on the figure
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Brilliant crafty work there Mate...
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they are really looking good Neil,I have e mailed you,and hope your probs are sorted,I have got your messages thanks.
Mick F
Happy Birthday Mick!
Dave. :-)) ;) :-))
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Hippo Birdy, two ewes,
Hippo Birdy, two ewes,
Hippo Birdy, deer Michael,
Hippo birdy, two ewes.
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have a nice day matey.
neil.
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Sadly my second daughter came down with the flu today ( s'ppose it'll be my turn in the next few days) and so I had to don my nurses cap on again today as Swmbo was out working, and look after her.
It's swmbo's birthday tomorrow so decided as I couldn't get into the workshop i'd turn my attention to other creative matters, and so decided to bake her a chocolate birthday cake.
My other daughter who loves making things in the kitchen decorated it for us, and here's the results of our joint efforts.
nom nom.............look forward to tomorrow.
neil.
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That looks good enough to eat, loadsacalorees
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I actually made it for Rottweiler's birthday but he's so far away I didn't want it to go to waste so thought of her indoors. {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Far too many cakes on this thread <*<
I'm off to practice my Bulimia ....
Diabetic Dave
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I can see Neil that you also bake with the greatest diplomacy no trace of age anywhere, you have learned to survive in a woman's world. Happy birthday to your wife. Rottweiler does not need the cake anyway, at his age it would be bad for his health.LOL. Mick B.
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five hours to go to cake cutting time.......how far can you get in five hours, {-) {-) {-) {-)
on a serious note.....I've just posted a thread on mast construction in boating matters, rather than on here as thought it more general to every one..
please have a look guys and help me out.
thanks.
neil.
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Hi Neil, it probably came all the way from Canada, Believe it or not they are cutting it down at the rate of 3000 acres a day. That piece that you bought would have cost about 75P here. Lumber as we call it is pretty cheap except for hard woods, then it is very expensive & not always good quality, most of it comes from South America & is hit or miss. However we can choose the best from what is in stock. Mick B.
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I love timber, Mick.......it is just so lovely to work with...........and am looking forward to making my masts very much.......give me chance to get my spokeshaves sharpened. :-))
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The colour seems to indicate part heartwood, part sapwood.
Or is it discoloured due to part of the stick being exposed to the elements??????
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It looks like it sat partly exposed Aaarty, at least I think Neil would not buy it if it was not 100%. Mick B.
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The colour seems to indicate part heartwood, part sapwood.
Or is it discoloured due to part of the stick being exposed to the elements??????
no raaaty...... you mare exactly right........but it was the only piece in the place without any knots slap bang in the centre of each plank so it was a no brainer......the sap is quite close grained though and hard......been well seasoned.
neil.
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Was really testing your knowledge/background of wood, AKA timber technology :} :} :}
And that I could still see OK with my glasses :-)) :-)) :-))
Oregon, as we call it, is a fine timber, multiple uses from construction to joinery.
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I dont know how I missed all the birthday wishes on here so a great big belated thank you to all!
Neil,the thought of the cake was nice but it would have been a bit stale by the time I came up for the Blackpool show! Glad you found an alternate use for it (did she get a piece then,of the cake I mean!) Please remember for next year I dont much like chocolate cake,besides which,all the candles on it would probably change it into a chocolate fountain!
Thanks all.
Mick F
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sad thing about the cake is Mick......that my lot have all come down with the flu and so I've had to eat it all.........been a real hardship I can tell you. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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similar method on endbox???
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yes mate.................and it's a simple way to gain watertight hatches.
neil
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Neil,
The logic behind of making a 'box' and then cutting it down, for a lid, in your case a hatch, versus cutting the sides to size and just assembling the hatch, or do you use the remainder of the box for something else.
Works for me when making a 'box' with lid????
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the box was a perfect fit to go into the hatch, Raaarty...because originally I was going to put that into the boat with all the rc gear in the box......................but then I decided that I wouldn't be able to get into the huill if I fixed the box inside the hole that the box had been made to fit into.
So as the box was made to fit the hole it would fit with the open end upwards but not inverted as it was ever so slightly rhomboidal..........so the easiest was to fit a top onto the open end because it fit the hole and then cut it down, and as such, voila'.............................. a perfect fit.
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Aha, clear as mud, {-) {-) {-)
was wondering if you had been building tooooo long and with eating all that chocolate cake well.......... :-)) :-)) :-))
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Aha, clear as mud, {-) {-) {-)
yep.....after I read that drivvle that's what it sounded like to me too.............simple explanation...............the box fitted in the hole, one way only due to slight discrepancies in size and shape...........but the open end was at top.............so I put another top on to form the deck hatch..........and cut the bottom off..........it fit perfectly then..........is that a better explanation, lol %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
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Are you sure you are not Irish, as ye have a way with words :-)) :-)) :-))
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Naa, his words come out wrong because his mouth is full of sh sorry chocolate cake,and by the time the words filter through his moustache,they come out the wrong way.He got turned down for a job as a railway station announcer.
Mick F
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wot I've done to deserve you lot as friends I just do not know ? {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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There are people that would swap you friends @ the drop of a hat, where else could you have friends that allowed you to have ALL the chocklate cake all to yourself & not complain one word instead of demanding our fair share. Mick B.
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Have a couple of Dremel keys but got one of these, no key needed, so my dremel key is now redundant. :-)) :-))
Should be local supplier near you :-)) :-)) :-))
http://www.mytoolstore.com.au/products/Dremel-3-Jaw-Multi-Chuck-4486-.html (http://www.mytoolstore.com.au/products/Dremel-3-Jaw-Multi-Chuck-4486-.html)
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cheers, Raaarty............I've found one.......the other will turn up sooner or later, lol {:-{ {:-{
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As the planking on these lifeboats (and all british wooden lifeboats for that matter) was diagonally planked
Just being pedantic for a change... Maybe all the wooden motor lifeboats, but some of the earlier sailing lifeboats, especially in the Norfolk and Suffolk class, were clinker built, like the Alfred Corry in Southwold and the St. Paul at Chatham.
Andrew
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being pedantic, andrew, I didn't think I needed to go through the whole history of the british lifeboat build method when I made that statement.......yes, of course most early lifeboats were clinker, because they were built basically as modifoed rowing skiffs and boats/punts.......I should have clarified that from around 1890, most, if not all, were "carvel" double diagonal planked.
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Your'e like that double act you two
Eric & Ernie
One lives near Morecambe and the other is nearly Wise
Dave :}
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Your'e like that double act you two
Eric & Ernie
One lives near Morecambe and the other is nearly Wise
Dave :}
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The amazing thing about the chuck Neil was not that you had one, I suspect you have more than one, but that you could find it in YOUR shop. You must have really cleaned up. As for a description of you, no dictionary with that description in it has been written yet.( good job too)Mick B.
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I thought it might be out of, Mick B.
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ha ha......you laugh but I found a hedgehog hibernating in there one year, lol.........no wonder I'm itching {-) {-) {-) {-)
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It's difficult to say what colour the insides of the bulwarks should be. From examples I've seen, on early boats, (possibly only 19th century boats) everything in the boat was painted white. This can be seen on James Stevens No.14. Moving on, the three post-1920 Norfolk and Suffolks seem to have varnished gunwales, with all boats after them also being varnished rather than painted.
In the case of Watsons, virtually all I've seen photos of have varnished gunwales and natural timber decks.
But unless you have photos that show definitively what it should be either would be okay. I think the earlier the boat was built the more likely it is to be painted white, so you could paint the sailer white and varnish the motor boat.
Andrew
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While on the subject of colours,I was TOLD this morning that on my 1866 Pulling boat the oars on one side should be painted a light blue colour,and the other side is white.I couldnt argue because I dont know,but I wouldn't have thought boats THAT early would have had the different coloured oars?
sorry to hijack your thread Neil,but it might be of interest to you also?
Cheers,
Mick F
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Could be. I'm unsure of when the coloured oars were introduced. It could be that they were carried over from boats before the RNLI was formed and just adopted by the service. Who was it that told you? I don't think there's many people who'd know unless they'd done a lot of research. Stick with the way you've done it unless they have proof they should be different.
And they'd most likely be the same colour as the hull, not just a light blue.
Andrew
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It's difficult to say what colour the insides of the bulwarks should be. From examples I've seen, on early boats, (possibly only 19th century boats) everything in the boat was painted white. This can be seen on James Stevens No.14. Moving on, the three post-1920 Norfolk and Suffolks seem to have varnished gunwales, with all boats after them also being varnished rather than painted.
In the case of Watsons, virtually all I've seen photos of have varnished gunwales and natural timber decks.
But unless you have photos that show definitively what it should be either would be okay. I think the earlier the boat was built the more likely it is to be painted white, so you could paint the sailer white and varnish the motor boat.
Andrew
cheers andrew..............now, just to contradict slightly, but one can never go purely on a model.........the original photos of the sailing model that I put on the post right at the beginning was a contemporary build of the boat by a crewman so it is rumoured and dates back as a model to the 1920's when the boat was on station at Fleetwood and it shows black bulwarks/gunwales..........so I am completely in aray as to what to do, but I do take your point on the motor boat being varnished.
I also look at the William Riley of Leamington ....and she is totally varnished and natural..............but was this restored for show or to original???
and then again as you say the Cemaes, Anglesey lifeboat that was resored a couple or so years ago has, as you say, white gunwales/bulwarks???
I just don't know.
neil.
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The William Riley isn't that old... She was on station at Whitby from 1919 to 1931. Photographs of her taken during that time don't show the interior but you can see the bulkheads were varnished. I see your point about the model though. If it was built by one of the crew then the colours are probably correct.
Still. If you have proof that says "it was like this, at this point in time" then you should do that, if you have no hard evidence then that's where modeller's licence comes in. Pick whatever looks best. Mess around changing colours of photographs in Paint or Photoshop until you find something you like.
Andrew
(This is why I like the old boats - lots of research, lots of variety)
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Mess around changing colours of photographs in Paint or Photoshop until you find something you like.
andrew........how dare you swear at me??? {-) {-) {-) {-) ..........that's like telling me to do brain surgery on my pet goldfish.....................I wouldn't have a clue............will have to get me tracin' paper and painting by numbers out if I want to do that %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
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Neil,I know that photographs DO lie,but the photos are showing some of the planks to be most of the length of the boat? Have you actually cut them to scale lengths,and the photos are not showing the joints.I like the way you have used the resin and paint combination,it is already showing up well.I think I will try using that as what I have been doing is rubbing a black ball point pen along my planking edges,and it certainly does not show up as well as your method.The Master again teaches his willing pupils!
Mick F
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yes Mick,
they do run the full length where not interupted.......I checked with Andrew ( heritorasphodel (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9385) ) some while ago about the planks on B.A.S.P. and he said that they ran the full length where possible for strength, and on my plan it shows this as a feature too.
Neil
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Neil you just never cease to amaze me, the ideas & methods that you come up with has my jaw on my chest(no smart remarks Dave, Norseman)This thread is a joy to watch, thanks, Mick B.
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Neil you just never cease to amaze me, the ideas & methods that you come up with has my jaw on my chest(no smart remarks Dave, Norseman)This thread is a joy to watch, thanks, Mick B.
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:-)) What a nice finish you've managed there sir.
What did you mean by 'mouse'. Am I correct when I think of a triangular rubbing block ?
Cheer
ken
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ooh !! they're all electrified.
There was me thinking you wrapped sandpaper around a triangular block and exercised your muscles. {-)
ken
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O M G, Ken..............what's excercise %% %% %% ...........I was built for comfort, not speed, lol {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Looks like a Dovetail saw that didn't grow up O0 O0 {-) {-)
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Great work Neil, Decks look fantastic.
Keep the photos coming. :-)
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thanks craggle..........will do..............I can't wait to get the red white and blue on them though.................they will look smart then, I hope.
neil
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Hi Neil,
Those decks look great as they are , they will look fantastic when varnished.
Gerard
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You ran rings around that problem. :}
Ken
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You ran rings around that problem. :}
Ken
Filed away for future reference {-) {-) {-)
Ned
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too much whit................sanded, scratched and erased from my memory {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Not really much to say, just watch & learn & learn again, you must work on these boats all day every day, I admire your work ethic. There are few left like you left Neil,thanks for the ongoing lessons, Mick B...
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44 YEARS AGO TONIGHT, the Longhope Lifeboat RNLB TGB set out on a mission to rescue the stricken crew of the Liberian cargo vessel Irene.
The weather was attrocious, but she was not alone, for the RNLB Grace Paterson Ritchie was also making her way to the east side of Orkney.
The coxs'n of RNLB TGB radioed for a weather report at 21.30 hours...........and then R/T contact was broken.
Her upturned hull was found later that day and towed into Scrabster harbour by the Thurso lifeboat.
All 8 crewmen lost their lives that night in a fruitless call, as the crew of the Irene were in fact rescued by the Orkney Cliff rescue brigade as the lifeboats were making their way to the casualty's possition.
Sadly one crew member of TGB was never recovered.
Lest we forget the human price of the RNLI and those that give their lives for others.
Neil.
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My sympathies also go to the families of the lost crew of TGB. In particular to the current cox'n Kevin Kirkpatrick, who I got to know as a friend, who lost so many family members.
Pictures of their memorials on Longhope cemetry looking out towards Cantick Head and the Pentland Firth.
Mike
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A very poignant reminder indeed.Long may they be remembered,with all those who have given their lives while in the service of the R.N.L.I.
Mick F
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Neil,
Looking absolutley brilliant
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thanks Gerard.
I'm beginning to get excited now, lol :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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And I was so LOOKING fwd to creating HAVOC at the Rnli Fund raising event like I DID last year with one of these Beauties and I NOW find out you Wont be there BOO HOO <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
Nice Work by the way ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Dave
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yep..........sorry matey.................will be sunning myself in the balmy climes of the ayreshire coast, and my yearly visit to Largs...........may even get a trip on my favorite ex lifeboat, the Grace Paterson Richie, If I'm lucky and Iain's at home that fortnight............that would be lovely.
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that should read "Ritchie"
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Hi Neil,
We all learn by our mistakes, me more than most.
Gerard
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Oh dear....too late now Neil....
A single coat of silver frost spray would have eliminated the glitch.........30 years ago.....my dear old Dad told me that trick....did I believe him NO >>:-( was I wrong? = YES. :embarrassed: .....thanks Dad
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a tale of warning..........don't write on white plasticard with black sharpy pen......even if you sand it down so that the writing is almost invisible............
the paint brings the black ink out as dark as ever, and it takes 8 coats of white satin paint to almost cover it........bah humbug!!! {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Been there done that!
I tend to use paper masking tape these days for labeling. If you stick it to something while you write on it then peel it off and stick it to the thing you want. This removes some of the stickiness and makes it easier to remove later, with little if any residue
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thanks guys for the input............someone on another forum suggested alcohol to remove before spraying..................sod that........I like my single malt without sharpie!!!! {-) {-) {-)
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Methylated spirits usually wipes it off and it smells great too. :embarrassed:
I had a similar thing the other day with Halfords grey primer where the pen marks kept showing though. Had to leave it to dry in the end then sand it out again.
Craig.
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Cracking work Neil, can't wait to see them finished. Think Im going have to figure out some way I can work on my boats while at work.
Dave. :-))
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we might see ya on Police Camera Action in the future then {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Nice work Neil. :-)
Ask a silly question though, Did they need to be silver soldered? Would soft solder, Plumbers or electrical type have worked and required less heat?
Craig.
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silver solder is a lot stronger craig, but the simpler and more honest excuse for silver soldering is I'm crap at soft soldering and reasonable at silver soldering............and was given a bundle of silver solder many years ago that was good stuff.
I only soft solder very small parts and electrical joints these days.
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Ahhh, Fair enough then.
I'm the other way around, I tried silver soldering once, made a mess and burnt myself! :embarrassed:
Carry on...... :-)
Craig.
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Two points that may be helpful regarding Silver Soldering. Although the firebricks shown are ideal for stopping setting fire to the work area, they aren't giving much radiant heat back. If you can get hold of some pieces of "Gasmiser" ceramic elements and place these around the job, the heat reflection is immediately noticeable. Thicker SS wires can be bashed thinner so that it melts easier and for more control over where the stuff is going, Silver Solder paste (In syringe tubes) by CUP alloys is to be highly recommended (No connections)
Regards Ian.
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cheers Ian I'll have a look at some of that solder paste.
The fire brick are actually proper brazing hearth inserts that you buy and cut to shape your own use.........normally gives good radient heat when built around the object........I just couldn't get the heat into the area I needed though because of the shape of it and the fact that the thing was acting like a flue at the rear, and couldn't block it up.........just an odd shape to solder.........but got there in the end.
neil.
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Neil I have watched your work since I joined Mayhem & I must say you are a constant inspiration to me & many others to keep on going & to try and complete our boats. As you know I have lost a lot of the use of my left hand, particularly my fingers because of a stroke. This is very hard for a left hander & I drop a lot of bits. It seems everything is three times as hard as before. However when you show your mistakes as well as all the nice stuff that you do you have no idea how much it helps people like me. Before I really could just about do anything & not give it a thought. Now simple things are difficult & the hard things are impossible for now. Keep up the great work, it is much more than you might think to people like me, it is a constant motivator & I thank you, you are certainly one of a kind. Mick B.
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thanks Mick, and it inspires me to carry on when I have comments like yours said about me.
I have always tried to help and I tell my tales "warts and all" as it's no good doing something like this and hiding your mistakes.........if I make mistakes and cover them up, it doesn't help someone else who might be following but think they would like to do it another way.....a way that I had made the mistake of..........so, tell it like it is and every one learns from the mistake.........just like Circlip pointed out to me re: silver soldering...........I also learned from his comments and will implement those points he made, next time I come to silver solder a larger job........had never thought of flattening the silver solder rod to a thinner profile to make it melt quicker............so we can all learn from one another....
I know that there are those in the modelling and any other hobby for that matter who like to and do keep their knowledge to themselves............but it's not for me I 'm glad I feel that way.
neil
That's exactly how I feel about modelling Neil !!
There is no point in keeping knowledge to yourself or it becomes of no value in the long run, even mistakes are of value to others, and I make lots of them!! {-)
Mike
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here here, Mike and Mick. :-)) :-)) :-))
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I am a "MISTAKE"does that help lol,but apart from that,everybody make`s mistake`s and it`s great when people even own up to it instead of brushing it under the carpet.Carry on the good work neil,mick,mike.
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We are a group of guys that building is everything to us, we are not into the EGO trip.It seems to me we have no secrets & are more than willing to share even our mistakes. In my business I am sometimes considered an Expert (after 50 years) & I have difficulty with the term, I say I am not an expert,it is just that I have made the same mistake more often than others & learned how to correct it & to share the fix with them. It is good to make a mistake sometimes, it keeps you on your toes. It can be a real humbling experience to strip down an engine or gearbox that you had previously built & find it was not as perfect as you thought it should have been.I always say that the next engine I build will be the best one yet, & that is always my goal.Mick B.
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Neil I can't say for certain what material the tops of the drop keel cases are, only that on the two boats we've got that have them (BASP and James Leath) they are metal. For the shape, I would go by the plans because the size and shape of the casing depended on the shape of the drop keel. The Norfolk and Suffolk keels are far longer and therefore of a shallower angle, so only the tab on the top of the keel protrudes through the deck, while on a Watson they are shorter and therefore to fit them completely into the hull more of the keel has to be above the deck.
As for the seats, there are some boats (such as William Riley) that have timber seats on top of the thwarts, whether they are original or not I don't know but they don't look out of place.
The problem of the general arrangement drawings is they were only really made to show the boatyard where all the various bits went, but not what they were. For that they made separate engineering drawings, from a drawing of a single block to the precise rudder arrangements on a Rother (and we seem to have hundreds of odd drawings that have found their way to us)
Andrew
Edit: having looked at the photographs of the plans you posted right at the start, I would say the shape of the drop keel roller casing you've made is correct, but they look to be much thinner, and I would say they are most likely made of metal. I can't say I'm 100% certain though.
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Hullo Neil.......on page #24 of this brilliant thread I picked up the scale as 1:12 which is a big build..... O0
But an M3 bolt as used below would be M36 in real life & with a 63 AF hex........... :(( could these be a little large?......
As an alternative you could maintain the brass pulley/rollers as machined & a 3 mm shaft but.....but consider a stepped keeper plate & smaller fasteners to secure the shaft ........
Please don't feel the need to use your planned standard response .... ##f :embarrassed: term to me as I only trying to be helpful........Derek %)
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cheers andrew............must agree they are thinner in profile/plan..............but I have only two other choices......either silver solder a whole load of brass together in that shape........which I don't fancy............would be here till next christmas going down that route...........or plasticard..............do you think that would be strong enough??............
as for your comments derek.......totally agree about the bolt size..............but don't understand what you mean by your solution to the problem........could you draw me a diagrame please and post it on here.
Having said that a 36mm nut either side wouldn't be that out of place as the keel is a hefty lump both in model form and real life.
cheers, neil.
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Personally I would try and make them from plasticard, if you use thick enough plastic it shouldn't matter much. I would assume that most of the pressure on these keels will be lateral, in which case the little piece above deck won't be taking that much strain. I think there'd only be trouble if the keel was pulled down when the rope on deck was tied off, pulling down on the pulley.
I'm assuming you would set the boat up by raising/lowering the keel before you put the boat in the water, and then taking it out before changing the setup. How much trouble would it cause to put a small hole in the keel of the boat and two holes in the drop keel, so you can use a pin to prevent the keel moving? In which case, the fittings on deck would be purely aesthetic and not structural. But yes, I think it would work if you used plasticard.
Andrew
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cheers andrew..............I'll remake them in 2mm plasticard.....no bother about putting retaining pins in the hull and yes they'll be set at the lake side.........so no problem with that........the only bit of bother will be to thin down the pulley blocks a little but can do that without using the laithe..............so will do that during the week. cheers.
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WOW simply stunning as usual
Dave
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cheers Dave.........did something today I haven't done in years......worked up a sweat whilst planing.............but boy do my arms and back ache now.lol
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They will be far worse tomorrow HA HA O0 O0 O0
Dave
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WOW.... :o a Bailey No 7 long sole plate plane....nothing plain about that {-) .....Derek
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WOW.... :o a Bailey No 7 long sole plate plane....nothing plain about that {-) .....Derek
Hi Derek.............is it something special.......just a nice tool to me........and I love good quality tools..............funnily enough, I brought it back with me from Australia in 1978 after teaching industrial arts over there in Canberra............so it's native to you guys O0 O0 O0
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WOW.... :o a Bailey No 7 long sole plate plane....nothing plain about that {-) .....Derek
Yes, also picked up on the "Stanley Bailey No 7 Try plane" %) %) %)
Worth quite a few bob today
Neil also shows how to correctly use a marking gauge O0 O0 O0
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Hi Neil, most everyone in the U/K is selling those fittings now . Look under RB fittings. They are made in Eastern Europe, I think in Poland. Cornwall Model boats & Westbourne sell their fittings for sure. They are very well made & cheap too. Wait until you see their turnbuckles & shackles, you will never buy anything else again. Mick B.
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cheers Mick, will have a look at all those fittings.
Today, been working on the masts and booms, and in particular inseting the pulley wheels into the mast heads and the yolks for the aft booms on both boats.
take these first, I laminated them in the same Douglas Fir timber as the masts....lamintated them so that they won't split if made from a single piece of timber.
Although the laminates are quite thick they still have more strength than a single block.
Tomorrow they'll be shaped and sanded and then glued and pinned to the booms.
Also cut the slots in the mast heads with a 3mm drill bit, and reamed out to take the pulley wheels that were turned on the laithe.
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Hullo Neil...is that a plain PVA laminating glue for Douglas Fir blocks.... >>:-( ....... or a white polyurethane? .....Derek
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Aliphatic quick grab resin, derek...waterproof and strong, and quick acting. :-))
neil.
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>>:-( that's interesting Neil.....I looked a comparison between polyurethane & aliphatic resin as below ...Derek
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Polyurethane Adhesives and SealantsProducts and Brands: Gorilla Glue, .............................................; Sikaflex ......................................................- Where to use: Bonds a variety of materials - metal, stone, wood, ceramics, foam, glass and more.
- Do not use for: Paper products or rubber materials.
- Cure time: 1-2 hours and longer depending upon formulation, one component and two component versions, moisture curing adhesives.
- Cautions: Avoid skin and eye contact. The use of protective gloves is highly recommended.
Polyurethanes are offered in both one-part and two-part systems. They are simple, strong and easy to use. Polyurethane adhesives are ideal for the laminating of porous materials like wood. Polyurethanes are water proof O0 , but moistening the surface before applying accelerates the curing process. Polyurethane adhesives are available in flexible and non-flexible formulations. Polyurethane adhesive sealant products form an extremely strong bond while retaining flexibility and strength above or below the waterline. Watertight bonding / sealing of fiberglass, gelcoat and wood. Alcohol should not be used when preparing surfaces for bonding as it will stop the curing process, causing the adhesive to fail. Polyurethane sealant products are not recommended for use as a teak deck seam sealer. Extended exposure to chemicals (teak cleaners, oxalic acid, gasoline, strong solvents and other harsh chemicals) may cause permanent softening of the sealant.
Aliphatic Resin Wood Glue (aka Yellow Wood Glue)Products and Brands: Titebond Original Wood Glue - Where to use: A wood glue designed to work on porous materials only.
- Do not use for: Non-porous materials and surfaces. Not for structural or load bearing applications. This glue is not intended for exterior use or where moisture is likely <*< .
- Cure time: Fast setting.
- Cautions: Avoid prolonged or repeated skin contact. Use only in well ventilated areas.
Titebond Original Wood Glue is ideal for wood, hardboard, particleboard, leather, cloth and most other porous materials. Titebond Original is easy to use, non-toxic and cleans up with water. Also known as yellow glue or carpenter's glue.
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ah yes, Derek but there are different brands of Aliphatic and the two brands I use specifically state on the bottle that they are Waterproof (as opposed to "weatherproof") and for the amount of contact that these models will come into contact with salt water (the worst kind) I have never ever had any de lamination what so ever.
you must realise and remember that they quote these statements to cover themselves from compensation claims when the product they make is used on an outdore product 24/7/365...which model boats are never used to anyway........the most my boats or probably any boat would be subject to full water immersoin is if they sank.................and then it's be back to the drawing board anyway {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Neil just wondered if you ever used Cascamite powered wood glue - I have been using it
for about 55 years ( back to the school woodworking classes) and it is excellent stuff and
you can mix just as much or as little as you want and it has good shelf life and serious
grip properties ending up stronger than the wood
Geoff
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Just to but in here,I myself use cascamite,and find it very efficient.The main downfall is that it doesnt "grab" and has to pinned down until it hardens.And guess what this also states it is not waterproof! There is a waterproof version,though which is a horrible brown colour.I have some models that are over 50 years old,having been stuck with cascomite,and although covered by liberal layers of paint, have never yet let me down.
Sorry Neil,just thought I would put in my two penneth worth.
Mick F
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no problems guys........to answer your question geoff...........I haven't seen it for years, never mind used it.......................but as Mick says, i usually want something these days that is quick grab and ready for sanding within an hour, so old cascamite powder doesn't fit the bill with me anymore..........I used to use it when teaching for gluing up carcasses and frames for kid's jobs..............as you say strong as an ox on the joint, but always needed clamping.
neil.
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Probably not the glue for this particular job but it is still available - I got some in our local hardware shop
and Amazon stocks it, if you should require it for other types of work.
Geoff
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Yeh good stuff.Photo showing a typical application of cascamite!
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Yeh good stuff.Photo showing a typical application of cascamite!
I'm guessing the wife wont be dressmaking anytime soon! :D you nicked all her pins! ;D
I didn't know you could still buy cascamite..... My Dad always went on about that stuff.... reckons the new wood glues are not as good
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I think we had better let Neil have his Lifeboat build back before he moderates us,now where were we...next episode please Neil?
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you chaps chat all ya wan't ........don't bother me.
I remember my greatest faux paux with glue..
was helping one lad dry cramp his GCE practical up on e evening....it was quite a complex telephone table and integral chair.......he was one of my stars..........and he was being moderated in a coupel of days......so we set about putting it together and getting it square with diagonal rods, sash cramps, g cramps etc and then the next night he was on his own as I couldn't help in the actual gluing......we always kept our wood glue in a fairy liquid bottle which I told him to use.
he came to glue it up the next night as I was on a meeting elsewhere, and the following day the moderator came in to look at the module and to watch the lad de cramp the thing.
he took the cramps off and the whole lot fell apart............we started to laugh, and I realised that for once in a blue moon the cleaner had come in and replenished all the CDT rooms with new fairy liquid bottles.
Luckily the mod was from another local school and saw the funny side, and the lad passed with an A........so yes.......there are glues, and then there are "glues"
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last shot shows an alteration to the lids and hinges of the stern storage boxes.................all good fun.
Was keeping an eye on how you were going to open the lids O0 O0 %) %)
Good to see you are having fun. Nice to have the occasional challenge from time to time :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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I just had to poke my head in and say that as a cabinetmaker I loved the story about the switcheroo with the glue bottle {-)
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I just had to poke my head in and say that as a cabinetmaker I loved the story about the switcheroo with the glue bottle {-)
It wasn't funny at the time when the whole thing collapsed in a heap of nice old reclaimed English oak as we took the sash cramps off, one by one %% %% %% %% %% %% ............but once the shock had subsided the laughter started, lol {-) {-) {-)
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Neil......all of those little brass hinges & clamping wing nuts look brilliant installed........I remember them being painted....but were they sprayed with a clear lacquer? ..........Derek
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no derek,
as they were painted with enamels.............they will be given a coat of gloss varnish tomorrow before the tops go on though.
neil.
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Hi Neil, as you already know I really admire your work & skill, but one thing strikes me every time I see you use filler , you must have been in the plastering business at some time in your life, LOL. Mick B.
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Hi Neil, as you already know I really admire your work & skill, but one thing strikes me every time I see you use filler , you must have been in the plastering business at some time in your life, LOL. Mick B.
no matey..........just good with a sander...... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Neil, When fitting the leather on the oars,it should not meet in the middle,there should be a small gap between the edges.I always thought this was to allow for expansion when the leather got wet?Apparently not so,it was to tell the oarsman that the oar was the right way up in the dark.IE the gap at the top,therefore the fastenings for the leather would be on top and not digging into the wooden rowlocks/pegs.
Mick F
PS you are doing a grand job there Neil...as always.
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Neil, When fitting the leather on the oars,it should not meet in the middle,there should be a small gap between the edges.I always thought this was to allow for expansion when the leather got wet?Apparently not so,it was to tell the oarsman that the oar was the right way up in the dark.IE the gap at the top,therefore the fastenings for the leather would be on top and not digging into the wooden rowlocks/pegs.
Mick F
PS you are doing a grand job there Neil...as always.
thanks for the info matey...........would never have thought of even leaving a gap, as I have never seen an oar from an old lifeboat. cheers to you all. neil.
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Neil,forgive what may be a stupid question,but would the oars of that age be "sweeps" (curved?) Its difficult to describe what I mean but should they not be straight blades with angled edges?
Mick F
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don't know matey, but the pics of the Maude pickup I have which was a contemprorary build at time show the curved blades..........however I will be making another set of straight blades as a alternative.
neil.
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Carry on the good work niel,you just don`t realise how much info that all of us are picking up from your build projects.Martin
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both types look good Neil!!!! :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Mick.PS Shannon in Newlyn yesterday!
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Not too much to be said Neil, you satisfy all your helpers & critics. I am not sure the curve or flat on the oar would matter if you were fighting for your life in a gale 10 storm. Mick B.
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I am not sure the curve or flat on the oar would matter if you were fighting for your life in a gale 10 storm. Mick B.
I'd be grateful for either in that situation
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Thank you Essex, my sentiments entirely. Neils work is stunning every day. I wish I had a shop teacher like you Neil when I was at school. Mick B.
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Thank you Essex, my sentiments entirely. Neils work is stunning every day. I wish I had a shop teacher like you Neil when I was at school. Mick B.
Aha, but consider, thou mayest not have endeth in mechanical but woodworking. O0 O0 {-) {-)
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My wife would agree with you totally Raaarty {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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nightmares! I bet he would have been liberal with the clips around the ear too! >>:-( >:-o
Mick F
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Only ever gave the cane once in 20 years of teaching, and then I was forced to by the head teacher......... {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
and for today...........I soaked the bulwark capping rail tops in warm water, and them cut them to length and pinned in place to allow to dry.
also made the masters for the oar locks out of plasticard......they will be cast later in white metal from rubber moulds.
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Arty it could have been worse, two of us when we finished in the RAF decided we were going to immigrate somewhere & tossed a coin between Australia & Canada, Canada it was, true story, so Australia was saved from the Irish terror. Mick B.
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Arty it could have been worse, two of us when we finished in the RAF decided we were going to immigrate somewhere & tossed a coin between Australia & Canada, Canada it was, true story, so Australia was saved from the Irish terror. Mick B.
Probably should have used two up coins to make sure {-) {-) %% %%
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Arty it sure would be nice to have some of your weather & sunshine right now. Australians are also much more nationalistic, we suffer from too much American influence in most things, it is uncomfortable sleeping next to the elephant, give me an Aussie or a Brit any day, much nicer people on the whole. Mick B.
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Neil...if you take those silly big black plastic bull dog clips away <*< ...some of those images look life like :-)) ....... Derek
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Neil...if you take those silly big black plastic bull dog clips away <*< ...some of those images look life like :-)) ....... Derek
It'd fall apart then Derek.............thinkin how to mask them when she goes sailin' %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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What I find interesting about the rudders on these old boats are that unlike newer displacement lifeboats, where the rudder slides up and down while the shaft remains fixed, on these boats the shaft is fixed to the rudder and comes up with it.
Andrew
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yes, on the two I am building, the rudder and shaft are totally as one unit.......they don't move at all virtically.............no uphauling ropes, and it makes it so much easier to have the brackets holding the rudder fixed to the rudder shaft and any steering comes from the rudder head stock.
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If you look at the photos you put up of the Maude Pickup, the photo of the boat on the beach with the crew posing alongside (second from bottom), in that photo the rudder has been raised, so it was possible.
The plans don't appear to show any means of hauling up the rudder though. Curious.
Andrew
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oh yes, she had slight movement in the rudder, and that can be seen of her sitting on the old slip before fleetwood got the new slipway.......the movement was about 12 - 18 " but wasn't full uphaul like on her later replacement. i have a photo of her starboard quarter at sea, just afterlaunch, but can't find it at the moment, which shows a simple pulley type roller with a rope to the rudder and looks like tied off to a cleat.
the rudder, made from solid timber probably weighed several hundredweight and so sat where she fell, unless hauled up that 12"or so by brute force.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertbainesphotographic/3159805276/sizes/l/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertbainesphotographic/3159805276/sizes/l/in/photostream/)
having said that, having looked closer ar the shot above, there does seem to be a roller set onto the stern post just below where the belting ends at the stern, port side ( why it's not shown on starboard side profile plans,)..........with a rope feeding through it, which would pose a problem to the frames i silver soldered, should i want to uphaul my rudders............but ................can't be a****** changing it now, so will claim modellers licence on that one, lol will put the roller and ropes on though for detailing effect
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That's a nice photo... BASP has pretty much the same movement, with an up haul but no downhaul. It would have taken a good few men to lift it, but it was on a block which made it a little easier.
If you like I could put up a couple of photos of BASP's arrangement, it was probably a similar system. The model doesn't have to work.
Andrew
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yes please andrew, that would be a help.
neil
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Here it is, it's a bit dusty in the photo but it's just a wheel, in a frame, bolted to the sternpost, leading to a single eye on the portside of the rudder. Unfortunately all the haul up gear on the endbox has been long since removed.
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/7d5db873-ae4e-4503-8c59-34108fdb4a05_zps1e79c6ce.jpg)
Andrew
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cheers andrew........that's good..........got as fitting for that that will do.
I think the uphall would have been a similar one, but can't find the glass plate photo of her starboard side yet..........in the depths of my workshop and at the moment........it's more untidy than usual, {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Looking at that set up though, she looks as though the rudder stock was the usual square bar type as on later boats, where as the two I'm building, are ( I am alsmost sure, ) round bar stock where the brackets fitted to the rudder are welded to the stock..............but having said that, I can't work out, by using the latter method of round bar where the uphaul motion comes from.................unless the brackets weren't welded, but have a tubular insert at the end of the bracker which slips over the round stock bar?????
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On BASP, the top half of the rudder post from the upper hull bracket to the middle bracket is square, and below it's round. There's a round bearing with a square hole in the top hull bracket, and the other hull brackets have a round hole.
Andrew
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Here's BASP:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/45ft%20Watson%20Class/985cdd1d-f49a-4e65-9368-4576b34431c3_zpseee92aea.jpg)
the round section of the rudder post is less corroded than the square, so you can see where the two bits meet. The bracket on the rudder marks the end of the square section, while the bracket meeting it on the hull is on the round section. The fairing on the bottom is just a socket that the round section drops into.
All the brackets on the rudder are square, so that the post turns with the rudder and is held in place by the bearing at the top and the socket at the bottom.
Andrew
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you see..........on the BASP, the steering was done through that linkage at the top of the rudder.....you can see it high up starboard side......where a rod comes through the cast iron square tunnel and links to the bar facing vertical fixed to the rudder itself........
Neither the motor sailor or the sailing boat have that arrangement, they are steered by (for want of a better word) the yolk that fits on top of the wooden rudder, and pulled via a series of pullies to the steering rod via rollers to the wheel.
very different arrangememnt to Basp.
neil.
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sorry about the photos.........don't know what happened there. {:-{ {:-{ :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Neither do I. %) But we can tell what it is, so no worries there.
Cheers
Ken
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That is one piece of fine first class workmanship by any standard. Keep it up Niel, it is like going to school every day and learning from the best teacher you can find, Mick B.
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cheers Mick........appreciate the comments.
if you enjoy your work........it comes easier to do a good job...............my wife has given up asking me to put up new shelves, %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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cheers Mick........appreciate the comments.
if you enjoy your work........it comes easier to do a good job...............my wife has given up asking me to put up new shelves, %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
You should put them up O0 O0 as she obviously wants to display your boats on them %) %) %)
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You want to be careful Neil, she might use the shelves to build a big box to put you in LOL. Mick B.
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now that WOULD be a big box ;) :o :o .Neil would probably paint it in Lifeboat colours and take it down to Fleetwood Lake.
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This build gets better everyday,it`s surprising what you learn from a master(jedi !). Martin
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appropriate comment seeing as it is Star wars day today!
Mick F
(not sure what he could do with a light sabre though!)
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(not sure what he could do with a light sabre though!)
a lot o' damage I reckon, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) ...........
MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH YOU!!!!!!!.
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Hi Neil, what we all tend to miss is how good your photographs are & of course Martin is correct, the work just keeps getting better, Mick B.
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Hi Neil, what we all tend to miss is how good your photographs are & of course Martin is correct, the work just keeps getting better, Mick B.
Mick,
Keep it quite but it is trick photography you know doctored with photoshop. %) %) %)
Still looks good though O0 O0
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and I thought the photos weren't as good as I had to send my new camera for repair to Curry'sand am using my old camera.
and am now in a dispute that might end in litigation against them, as there is a clause in my insurance to say I can claim a new replacement if the camera isn't repaired within 28 days.........took them 34 days to even send it back, so I refused to take delivery and am demanding they honour their contractual obligations....
mind you it ain't the first time Knowhow (subsidiary of Curry's) has tried to stitch me up.
they won't get away with it, lol
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I too have demanded contractual obligations
After many years of entering pleas ...
She still says to go and play with my boat. O0
Great watching you work Neil, all interesting stuff.
Dave
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I too have demanded contractual obligations
After many years of entering pleas ...
I get reminded every day of mine, 25 years ago........ {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
dosen't do me much good though........still have to stitch me own buttons on me shirts {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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If the button falls off in the workshop do you contact
Phil from Time Team :D
Ned
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If the button falls off in the workshop do you contact
Phil from Time Team :D
Ned
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Nice one Neil
I've always said anyone living in Fleetwood
needs a good sense of humour :embarrassed:
Ned
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Nice one Neil
I've always said anyone living in Fleetwood
needs a good sense of humour :embarrassed:
Ned
or a thick skin matey {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) .......call me Rhino hide {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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I do see that Raaartygunner is having a pop at me about my pharoh's tomb on another thread.........
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43041.msg435749.html#new (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43041.msg435749.html#new)
and he thought he could get away with it, lol >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
I must have a sixth sense........... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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I do see that Raaartygunner is having a pop at me about my pharoh's tomb on another thread.........
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43041.msg435749.html#new (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43041.msg435749.html#new)
and he thought he could get away with it, lol >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
I must have a sixth sick sense........... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Who me? perish the thought %) %) %) %) %) %)
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Mind boggling! great stuff Neil.
Mick F
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Mind boggling!
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Beautiful work, Neil :-)) I love the detail O0
Peter.
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cheers Peter..........they are now beginning to take shape with all the little additions being put onto the main structure.
neil
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Who got a full broadside off my wife for pulling faces at our window and leaving a greasy mark ?...Best laugh i,ve had in ages...Rod {-) {-)
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Who got a full broadside off my wife for pulling faces at our window and leaving a greasy mark ?...Best laugh i,ve had in ages...Rod {-) {-)
wot u mean pulling faces....that's my normal demure..........every one knows I'm not two faced.......or I wouldn't be wearing this one {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
your misses is fearsome when she gets going, {-) {-) {-) {-)
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surprised you didnt have a heart attack with that face pressed up against your window!
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even my eyes aren't red enough to be mistaken for Boris Karloff's {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Not even when you ran out of rubber? %)
Dave
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too choked up about my reprimand the night before to worry about the rubber, Dave............just wait for that now before I can make the rest of the moulds, but I have gone somewhere different for it this time............half the price of my usual supplier so will let you know what it moulds like after I get it...........ordered just enough to make my moulds so no waste, hopefully.
neil
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May I respectively suggest !! that you use a plastic cable tie to fasten your chuck key to the cable of the drill.That way you will always know where it is,and spare us the suspense of "will he find it this time ..or not..." It would also save Wodneys good lady from being frightened with a greasy?? (snotty) noseprint on her window!and save you from a furter rollicking
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well, i would drill a hole though the chuck key to fasten the tie to it..................but sadly i've lost the chuck key again and can't change the drill bit to HSS............... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Hi Neil there is a part of your anatomy near & dear to you I think you would lose if it was not attached it's called your a--se, I swear you could lose something in an empty room never mind that place you classify as a workshop. But the masterful building goes on despite the set backs, Mick B.
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The chuck key was hiding in a hole %% %%
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You know if you get really desperate you can use a drift, to fit the chuck keyhole, and a blade screwdriver to release the chuck.
Nor do you need to drill a hole in the chuck key to Tie it.
Rather than tie the 'key' to the lead, attach a line, such as fine chain to the chuck key, so you can look and find the chain and also use it to hang up the key in a prominent postion. You are not then wrestling with the key attached to the lead.
Because its a chuck key stop chucking it around. O0 O0
Never lost a chuck key in my life, just had to remmember where I put it %) %)
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and also use it to hang up the key in a prominent postion.
ahh, com'on raaarty.......that's far too organised AND complicated for me to master at my age, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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ahh, com'on raaarty.......that's far too organised AND complicated for me to master at my age, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
I know you are younger than I, O0 O0 , That's the trouble with you young generation, you can't be told anything O0 O0 %% %% :o :o :o
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Well Neil Been there had the tee shirt BUT I have an ANSWER to all this do as I did and Buy (yes it means spending) a keyless chuck for all your drills trhen you do not need a chuck key.
Dave
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well they do say miracles might happen.I thought it was bees that were in decline? Cant be moths they are all hibernating in Neils wallet.Lol.
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You're right, that is tall. I've seen the plans for a 43ft motor sailer, and that looks far too tall. I assume boats with this arrangement would only have been kept afloat, as that would never fit in a boathouse.
There is one photograph of the mast supports on a motor sailer, granted it's a 42ft self-righter but I would assume that a similar item would be used. It's on page 9 of Nick Leach's motor lifeboats and it shows a single pole arrangement for each mast, which in my opinion is what I can see on the plans.
Andrew
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You're right, that is tall. I've seen the plans for a 43ft motor sailer, and that looks far too tall which in my opinion is what I can see on the plans.
Andrew
what plans are you refering to Andrew.......as the plans I have are these....from the RNLI of the particular boat I am building,and she was kept afloat at Donaghadee.
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Neil,
your models mast arrangement certainly does follow that which you have on your plans.Although we all know original plans are altered in design modifications,they usually are only marginal differences,and in this case you are following the plans you have.Dont forget the saying "if it looks right,it usually is right" and this certainly looks right to me.Please carry on with the next instalment.
Mick F
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cheers matey..............I spend many hours researching before making bits that "don't look right", as quite obviously it doesn't, but are shown with measurements as is, but after consulting Quinton........he told me that that was what she had................which would only have been like that when at mooring, as the crutch would be stowed as soon as the mast was up, and motor running.
There are a good number of pictures of boats with single poles in Nich Leach's and other books and think I explained that I had looked without any luck for what I have on plan but when you can't find what is shown on plan......then you have to build from plan and not imagination............no argument really.
neil.
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The photograph you posted at the start of the build of the plans for the donaghadee boat. I was going by the distance between the top of the folded main mast and the aft endbox. I can see the bipod frame, and I can also see another frame supporting the main mast that's further aft and lower. In that plan, the mast doesn't appear to rest on this bipod frame but on this smaller frame.
I didn't realise that the bipod was on the sections, as I only had the GA to go on. I don't believe that the bipod is a mast support.
Andrew
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the bipod IS the main mast crutch....actually said on the plan............so before I lopped it from the plan to fit it onto an A3 photocopy.................the smaller one is for the mizzen mast, and actually says so on the second picture, andrew...............no mistake!!
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I'm not trying to cause offence, just hear me out. If I may, here are the plans for your boat:
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/201488861a36dfbe5c452135f0c1d2b0_zpsf344d918.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/1781ea689ee7ef084fdcbef7c8ae541a_zpsb3b27463.jpg)
In the second image, the red highlight is the bipod frame, and I believe that it is the two blue highlighted areas that are the mast crutches. They allow the main mast lower when folded. If you still think I'm wrong, so be it.
Andrew
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Neil,
your reply seems like common sense to me two masts = two supports. Being as the masts must have been really heavy,they each must have helped make it easier to actually raise the mast.When I was up at your last year and you showed me the plans,they certainly did show the two supports. IF as Andrew has said thay were not used to support the masts,then what use did they have..?
Mick F
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you not causing me offence at all Andrew...................just creating a problem for yourself that isn't there.................and I'll set you a challenge, if you can find possitive proof to condem both my and Quinton Nelsons research, and I quote from him...... before the canopy was fitted the crutch would have been portable and most likely 2 pieces of wood bolted or hinged in the centre to form a X when opened out and stood up. the mizzen folded forward and mainmast aft so they had to cross over , expect the crutch stood on a thwart, altho as she was afloat all the time, the masts were up. ) then I'll be a happy man,
Until then, your theory is just that, a theory that isn't maintained by anything other than your own thoughts that it can't be a mast crutch because it's "to big"
and that doesn't punch air with me, sorry.
And thanks Mick......................I honestly don't know what andrew is trying to prove other than his theory is more informed than those words of a man who's Grand father and father served on the boat?????.............and I certainly wouldn't argue a point where I don't really know, other than speculative theory???
neil.
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actually andrew, your red line is in the totally wrong position for the crutch positioning and the blue lines for the single posts don't locate to anywhere on the plans for fittings into which a singlr pole crutch would go................however there are positional base brackets shown on plan at those positions both port and starboard for where the main and mizzen crutches attach, so in effect you have shown by the blue lines where the two larger crutches actually fit..............and the red line has absolutely nothing to do with the boat at all.............good on yer for pointing out to all the other watchers where these two crutches actually go...............which is also shown for the bipod crutch on my photos..............although I must say, you are about 4 inches ( four feet) further back with the aft blue line that it should be O0 O0 O0
neil.
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However, I will telephone Simon Stevens at NMM tomorrow and ask him what he thinks as a final word on this matter...............never let it be said that I don't research these things thoroughly!! O0 O0
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Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, but that doesn't apply to Aussies. %) %)
So here goes, an observation from a lifeboat illiterate. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
It appears that the height of the mast in the stowed position as shown on the model, indicates very good access to the tiller and rear area, as well as, if the mast is to be manually raised, then it is easier to do so so from the current semi raised position, rather than flat on the deck. O0 O0
Yes/No????????????????? :-) :-)
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now that IS dedication,no one can question that! praise given where praise is due........ now wheres that bl##dy chuck key,if only that would go to plan lol!
Mick F
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now that IS dedication,no one can question that! praise given where praise is due........ now wheres that bl##dy chuck key,if only that would go to plan lol!
Mick F
It was visible in photo 2 but afterwards...........................gone, gone, gone. %% %%
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Hi Neil,
Just from observing the drawings, I would interprete that the two mast supports (blue lines) are correct, the rear one a single pole, (just aft and slightly starboard of the valve handle in the plan view) and the big bipod you have made is in fact to lift the engine when needed. It has the underslung hole for the shackle and is over the centre of mass of the engine, and would need to be that high for the endless chain to clear. The forward mast support is a bipod with the two base sockets at the edge of the seats each side.
Be interested in your final solution.
cheers
vnkiwi
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My My, we are pickey today, so I thought I would have my 3 cents worth too. If you add the height of an average man to the length of the poles for pushing the mast vertical, then to my way of looking the poles are just about the right length to get the mast vertical with ease. Mick B.
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Mick B....in OZ many many years ago we had a threepenny bit of real coinage O0
From the scales & images depicted........I cannot see how an individual of 6' in height could raise the mast from the horizontal to the vertical
Now considering the elevation question here ...the ANZAC spirit could solve this :-)) .......yes you guessed it get vnkiwi to sit on the shoulders of RAAArtyGunner
What a site that would be {-) >>:-( :P ........Derek
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Mick B....in OZ many many years ago we had a threepenny bit of real coinage O0
From the scales & images depicted........I cannot see how an individual of 6' in height could raise the mast from the horizontal to the vertical
Now considering the elevation question here ...the ANZAC spirit could solve this :-)) .......yes you guessed it get vnkiwi to sit on the shoulders of RAAArtyGunner
What a site that would be {-) >>:-( :P ........Derek
Now that is truly in the ANZAC spirit and tradition O0 O0 %) %)
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Cool, but to be fair, I'd have to unload the 20kg excess ballast I've aquired in the last 6months, after injuring my achillies tendon. That is unless RAAArtyGunner has the physic of 'big arnie', maybe he should sit on my shoulders, just so we don't go killing the ANZAC spirit. :-))
cheers
vnkiwi
ps
maybe time to get back to subject.
Neil, hope your old lifeboat man can get it sorted for you.
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indicates very good access to the tiller and rear area, as well as, if the mast is to be manually raised, then it is easier to do so so from the current semi raised position, rather than flat on the deck. O0 O0
Yes/No????????????????? :-) :-)
Yes!......it's all about fulcrums and pivoting points, and two men on the sheet which is fed through the bow roller on the fairlead getting the mast up in foul weather........at that height two men could manage it whilst the oarsmen were trying to get her off a Lee shore under oar........always a precarious manouvre......take those men off the oars to help and she has no power to beat the waves and wind, and is washed ashore..........but as I said, will ask the guru, Simon Stevens at NMM today.
neil.
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hi neil
what a fantastic build, :-))
the build log is fantastic keep plodding on, the end is nearly there %%
david
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Hi Neil,
Just from observing the drawings, I would interprete that the two mast supports (blue lines) are correct, the rear one a single pole, (just aft and slightly starboard of the valve handle in the plan view) and the big bipod you have made is in fact to lift the engine when needed. It has the underslung hole for the shackle and is over the centre of mass of the engine, and would need to be that high for the endless chain to clear. The forward mast support is a bipod with the two base sockets at the edge of the seats each side.
Be interested in your final solution.
cheers
vnkiwi
sorry Kiwi, but on the previous post 762 cross sections, that the mizzen mast crutch is DEFINATELY a bipod (Clearly marked on plan) and that the two masts that you say could be an engine hoist was a "Mast support" (also was clearly marked on plan until I cut it off for ease of photocopying). Can't see that they would clutter up an already cluttered deck with a rig that they would use very very infrequently, and this piece of equipment would be part of the Dockyard rig anyway, so why show it on a lifeboat plan..........the RNLI don't show any engine hoisting tackle on any other lifeboat plan I have ever seen????
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You know what don't bother. I concede defeat. However, I am still certain that I am right. Common sense says that the design of both crutches would be similar, if not the same. It does not make engineering sense to build them in two completely different methods. I think vnkiwi's right, it looks to me like an engine hoist. (Seeing as the top is not shaped to support the mast and all the rigging connections are on the bottom). If this isn't the earliest lifeboat you've built it's certainly one of them, and therefore don't expect it to be the same as later boats. And please identify the two blue highlighted areas. The one closest to the bow is the mizen mast support, so what is the other one, if not the main mast support?
As for raising the mast, there is film footage of the well-decked 45' Dunleary which apart from being 2 foot longer would have been identical to the 43. In that, one or two men are standing on the engine casing pushing the mast up, and the rest of the crew are hauling on the forestay to pull the mast up. Therefore, brute strength is not needed.
Andrew
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Hi Neil,
No need to apologize my friend. It was simply my opinion derived solely from the limited plan portions provided, which to me didn't gell with the dialogue at the time.
I know very little about English lifeboats, and do find your build an inspiration, and a standard for me to work towards.
Keep up the grand work, and look forward to the next details added, and the finishing off.
regards
vnkiwi :-))
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You know what don't bother. I concede defeat. However, I am still certain that I am right. Common sense says that the design of both crutches would be similar, if not the same. It does not make engineering sense to build them in two completely different methods. I think vnkiwi's right, it looks to me like an engine hoist. (Seeing as the top is not shaped to support the mast and all the rigging connections are on the bottom). If this isn't the earliest lifeboat you've built it's certainly one of them, and therefore don't expect it to be the same as later boats. And please identify the two blue highlighted areas. The one closest to the bow is the mizen mast support, so what is the other one, if not the main mast support?
As for raising the mast, there is film footage of the well-decked 45' Dunleary which apart from being 2 foot longer would have been identical to the 43. In that, one or two men are standing on the engine casing pushing the mast up, and the rest of the crew are hauling on the forestay to pull the mast up. Therefore, brute strength is not needed.
Andrew
nah, you can't quit that easily andrew.....yer always trying to prove me wrong, so let me have my day {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) ........just rung the NMM but sadly Simon's off in Falmouth until Friday so will have to wait for the answer till then, but did get a reply to what it was from my Friend Quinton the professional lifeboat restorer this morning, and so will go with that explanation for the moment, and not theories......
"As it was an open boat i expect the mast was stowed riding high so crew wouldnt walk into its top end lying aft and to make it easier to get the shoulder under to put it up at sea.Q" Neil.
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(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/mastcrutch_zpse8cc025f.jpg)
This is an open boat with the mast stowed, so why isn't the mast stowed high on this? or in other cases, later boats with canopies still had low masts when they were folded. And you still haven't answered my question about the blue highlighted areas.
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Not to labour a point Andrew, but I will, {-) {-)
you still maintain that both main and mizzen mast crutches are a single pole............
please explain to me why there are two legs on the mizzen mast crutch and brackets on both starboard and port side to take this rig, which is dismantleable. from the hinge and pins available.
also the two uprights of the main structure that we are also sidcussing is also collapsable, and also has a shallow hollow in the top of the "steelwork" to take the mast.....it also has eyes for taking rigging blocks
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I maintain that on some boats the crutches were single poles, and I have seen photographs which prove that, but I agree on the motor sailers they would need a system that reaches over the engine casing.
The point I am trying and obviously failing to make is that the big timber frame that is directly over the engine casing is not a mast crutch as it does not fit the pattern that all other boats seem to fit in regards to height and style (by which I mean low, iron/steel, to one side of the boat which the timber frame isn't, both crutches built similarly, a section that is shaped to fit the mast not just the top of two poles forming a shallow v...)
The eyes on the sides of it are stays to hold it upright, otherwise it would collapse under it's own weight, unlike the mizen mast crutch which can stand on it's own. It would make sense to put the support as close to the end of the mast as possible, hence the blue areas.
And one thing that I'm not sure about is whether the mizen would fold without hitting this big frame.
Finally, can someone that isn't Neil tell me if what I'm saying is making any sense or if it's the way I'm explaining this that's confusing everyone.
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(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t492/heritorasphodel/mastcrutch_zpse8cc025f.jpg)
This is an open boat with the mast stowed, so why isn't the mast stowed high on this? or in other cases, later boats with canopies still had low masts when they were folded. And you still haven't answered my question about the blue highlighted areas.
cos they had to get it under the bridge, andrew.........obvious, and simples, {-) {-) {-) {-)
Nah, nah nah!!!!...you are changing the goalposts on this discussion, because you flatly refuse to beieve that someone else couldn't be right.
I can understand Kiwi's explanation of it being an engine hoist, because he freely admits that he knows very little about british lifeboats......
but that is where your argument falls flat on the floor.
You work (albeit voluntarily) at Chatham Lifeboat collection and therefore for you to latch on to his theory of it being a lifeboat engine hoist kept on a lifeboat is pure fantacy and quite rediculous.
How many lifeboat plans have you seen with this type of equipment drawn on the actual boat plans........................I doubt any at all.............
and don't forget these plans are for the SPECIFIC BOAT with ON number that I am building so generic engine hoist drawings would not be put on a set of plans.
This boat was also the first Motor lifeboat to be built specifically for and stationed in Ireland, and lifeboat designs change as they progress, so how you can say catagorically that those two uprights are not for that specific boat at that specific station to hoist a mast on a boat that is kept afloat are incorrect when it shows them on the plan is (as they say in Ireland) Pure Baloney.
You have not yet come up with any reasonable argument of your ownas to what the ctrutch is other than an engine hoist or other than latch onto someone else's theories, and until you can come up with an argument to prove not only myself but also Quinton Nelson whose decendants served as coxs'ns on that specific boat, you won't sway my mind one bit.
As for showing me a picture of a small lifeboat going under a bridge with a mast on a crutch....do you wonder why I took the preverbial in my opening sentence.........I could show you a dozen pictures of masts on single post crutches.........but that doesn't prove that this boat didn't have as what I have constructed.
As for answering your questions about the blue lines on the plans..........I think I did earlier but you weren't listening. the foreward blue line corresponds to the fore mizzen bipod ( there are clear points on the drawing of brackets both port and starboard to slot the curved bipod into which you failed to mention when trying to prove that it was a single post crutch when the drawing shows clearly a bipod, and the aft blue line comes out of the gearbox top casing (made of timber and so wouldn't be that strong to hold a veryy hefty main mast and rigging, on the starboard side of the boat. Whilst the Mizzen mast tabernacle is offset to port to allow the mast to fall to port, the main mast tabernacle is square set to allow the main mast to fall centrally down the boat and would therefore miss that aft "blue" upright as it is offset to starboard by about a foot.
We shall have to wait until friday when I can contact Simon at the NMM for a definative answer to the conundrum.........and that is all I shall say on the matter...........too many theories and supersitions are baffling my brain and giving me a headache of all headaches.
neil.
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too many theories and superstitions are baffling my brain and giving me a headache of all headaches.
Neil.
Nah it's all that typing giving you a headache O0 O0 {-) {-)
Ive got one, headache that is, just trying to keep up and digest all the reading %% %%
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Could they not act as a pair of sheer legs to support
the masts with a lifting tackle and strop to enable the tabernacle
bolts to be withdrawn prior to unshipping the masts and
vice versa.
As each vessel was slightly different then a set of legs
to do the job would probably be slightly different and
therefore shown on the GA for the vessel.
Just my take on the question.
Ned
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I have my theories Ned, but will let you know exactly what they are for, hopefully on Friday.
neil.
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You're a veritable one man factory, Neil :o Great stuff :-))
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cheers Peter.........but 26 oars becomes monotonous............won't be doing that again, lol {:-{ {:-{ %% %% %%
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Neil,
I feel I must stick MY oar in to return to the much discussed subject above, of what the Bipod assembly was used for,I have found among my collection, a photo of an early Sennen Cove,Cornwall Lifeboat, that VERY CLEARLY shows the bipod supporting the mast as MOST knowledgeable people who have replied agree.Further,it appears that the crew are just about to use it to raise the mast.
Andrew, this then shows the above,and it is NOT for use on the engine as you state,as this Lifeboat is a Pulling and Sailing Lifeboat,and HAS NO engine.
Mick F
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thanks for that input Mick.............I will make my phone call this morning to NMM and will then rest my case.
however a final word on the subject from someone far more knowledgable that I or perhaps many on here on the subject of early classic lifeboats, Quinton Nelson, master restorer and ex Donaghadee RNLI crewman.........
"if that mast got right down the crew couldnt get it up again, simple."
Neil
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Neil,
very nicely done fittings, simply finish the boat off.
When done and painted should look awesome.
cheers
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thanks VN, just waiting for an email in the next 24 hours hopefully and then can post my other fabrications with full explanations. %% %% %%
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Neil,
no problem, just wish I could get such nice detail on my wee boats
cheers
vnkiwi
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Neil,
Your stock of modeller's licences must be just about all used up O0 O0 %) %)
Unless they are renewable {-) {-)
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renew them daily raaarty ........just to
annoy please the purist. >:-o >:-o >:-o {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Ah come on Neil, for all that bluster there's a fair bit of purist in you too O0 {-)
Admitedly it's well thinned out with a good dose of common sense. Oh, and nice work on all those oars
Dave
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Ah come on Neil, for all that bluster there's a fair bit of purist in you too O0 {-)
Admitedly it's well thinned out with a good dose of common sense. Oh, and nice work on all those oars
Dave
I'm probably the greatest critic of my own work, Dave, but my grand dad said to me many years ago........
"never openly negatively criticise someone else's work or openly tell them in front of others that they have got something wrong................there's always someone who can do better than you".
It's something I have tried to adhere to all my life, as it only makes you feel a pratt when that person can prove you wrong!!!!!............and I am wrong myself many times!
As for being a purist............I'm far from it...............you only have to look at the pictures of the pulling/sailing boat that I adorned with rollocks yesterday...........Some of that class may have had a bank of 6 oars per side, but the Maude Pickup only had five per side..........but like a pratt that I am at times and forget to look at the pictures, I have put 6 oars on her.................but it's my boat and I think it'll stay that way, mistakes, warts and all %% %% %%
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Great News Neil!!
I have found your chuck key for you! its in photo 1.Do I get a prize for spotting it?
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Great News Neil!!
I have found your chuck key for you! its in photo 1.Do I get a prize for spotting it?
No, because it is no longer there O0 O0 %) %) %)
Seeing Neil won't tie a string around it, then I forecast, in ye ole seafaring tradition, that he be doomed for all eternity to search for it {-) {-) %% %%
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We could all post Neil our spare keys - I have some that were my Grandads; his drills have died but I have not chucked the keys %)
Dave
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Dave,
Dave, AKA Stavros, has the right solution, see earlier post, get a Keyless chuck drill. %% %% O0 O0
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you use etching primer on a fibreglass hull?
I thought etch primer was only for metals.... well you learn something new everyday
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I find that I don't get it peeling off after masking if I use etching primer.....maybe not technically proper........but it's worked for me in the past........also use plastic primer after the filler primer because of the heat variances in the GRP.before the top coats.
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Interesting.... will test this on the huntsman hull which is getting ready for paint.... reminds me, I must take pics
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yes, always had problems even after a good rubbing down with peeling on a grp hull, when I had masked up and then taken off the masking tape.......even with low tack stuff..........and someone suggested using etching primer as first coat................and touch wood..have never had a problem since.
neil.
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Product description certainly includes fibreglass O0
Rust-Oleum® Self Etching Primer prepares bare metal, aluminum and fiberglass surfaces to promote maximum adhesion and smoothness of the top coat.
Dave
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Excellent idea for revolving table I must say. Nice job as well.
LB
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It was a fiver Jon, from a junk shop..........good padded
turntable swivel chair ......and fits great on a workmate for working at eye level, :-))
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The more you see this thread the better it gets.
Martin
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Wait until you see the thread for sewing the sails %% %%
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Wait until you see the thread for sewing the sails %% %%
Ned
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Mick F
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Going by the photos, it looks pretty good now Neil. When that sort of thing happens to me I am almost envious of bald people, because they don't have any hair to tear out {-)
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Peter........I am so rubbish at painting.....I get used to the task of cutting back and repainting..............never a model goes by that I don't have to do it...............I think I am too impatient to sit and watch "paint dry"
cheers neil.
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i'm just as bad.... My problem is the amount of paint to apply in one coat. Always go that little bit too far and end up with sags and runs
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this is the other boat which I didn't make a mess of ( too much that is??) looking resplendant in her victorian light blue white and red colours...........................she'll look alright from 30 paces on a lake, lol.
Neil,
She also looks good down here in faraway OZ %) %) {-) {-)
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cheers mate.........just hope you don't see her close up, lol........you might change your mind. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
neil.
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And the outcome of the debate regarding the lowered mast 'height' was.......................
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Neil, all credit to you my friend.As we say down here,they are "lookin' proper 'ansome" Translation for you red rosers...... Looking very nice!
Mick F
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Looking really good Neil, another excellent job.
Geoff
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cheers guys, and today I did something I have never done before...............I dyed some cloth.
Struth, Neil,
Thought you had said you had dyed your hair, :o :o :o what a shock, have now recovered O0 O0 O0 and see I was wrong {-) {-) {-) .
Back to boats
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my misses and kids keep telling me I should do, as I keep getting mistaken for Santa..........and in mid summer it's worrying.............what you reckon to terracotta red.............mind you, that's an open invitation to Rottweiler to do a photoshop..........look out, here he comes {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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well at the moment all I can think of is red for danger?
Mick F %) %) %) %)
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Did you remember to run the machine on a wash cycle with nothing inside after the dying cycle??
If You didn't then watch out for the wife with a large knife looking for spherical object to wear as ear rings when all her whites turn a delicate shade of pink!!!!! :o :o :o
I speak from experience mate!!
Mike
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Did you remember to run the machine on a wash cycle with nothing inside after the dying cycle??
oh yes mate.............I might look stooopid...............but I'm not suicidal.......just yet, {-) {-) {-) {-)
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my misses and kids keep telling me I should do, as I keep getting mistaken for Santa..........and in mid summer it's worrying.............what you reckon to terracotta red.............mind you, that's an open invitation to Rottweiler to do a photoshop..........look out, here he comes {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
well,who dares wins,I cant do any better at short notice but I think the colour suits you %% %% %% %% %% {-) {-)
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well,who dares wins,I cant do any better at short notice but I think the colour suits you %% %% %% %% %% {-) {-)
you are MAD {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Can you imagine a herd of them loose in the highlands, it dosn,t bear thinking about....Rod {-) {-) %% %%
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Can you imagine a herd of them loose in the highlands, it dosn,t bear thinking about....Rod {-) {-) %% %%
Just be careful you don't step in a lifeboat! ;D
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Sorry Neil,
I have just re read your thread, and I have found the colour you mentioned was Terracotta. You know me,I always get it wrong! However,I have now obtained something of the correct colour,for your comparison.
There are some men in white coats at my front door,they are saying you sent them?
Mick F
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All lovely to look at Neil, top notch.
Just harking back to dyeing for a second; you can get some nice effects with natural products like onion skins. http://www.naturalsuburbia.com/2012/04/natural-dyeing-with-onion-skins.html
Dave
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cheers for that dave............very interesting, and it gives a perfect colour for some of the ropes needed..............I think I'll give that a try..........will use a bucket though rather than the washing machine this time........can imagine all our clothes smelling of onions,lol
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Believe it or not TEA makes a good dye also! I suggest instead of you hanging your used teabags on the line to dry them out for re use,you make a strong brew and soak various materials in the liquid.It does work!It also works on wood,for instance if you paint tea on to bare pine,if you were to use it for say cladding a wall at home,then varnish it,it gives you the really deep yellow as if it is aged.
Cheers,
Mick F
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Believe it or not TEA makes a good dye also! I suggest instead of you hanging your used teabags on the line to dry them out for re use,you make a strong brew and soak various materials in the liquid.It does work!It also works on wood,for instance if you paint tea on to bare pine,if you were to use it for say cladding a wall at home,then varnish it,it gives you the really deep yellow as if it is aged.
Cheers,
Mick F
In an old Igra kit I had it mentioned soaking the sailcloth in strong hot tea in the instructions. Apparently this helps preshrink the cloth and give it an aged look.
I remember doing it at school to make paper look old
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I had a bit of a grin whilst reading this, my dear old mum used to crochet my bow fenders and I asked her to try some side fenders, came home from work to find she had done a brilliant job but as she used white builders line they were too shiny, anyway we left them to soak in some tea overnight. when I got home from work the next evening I couldn't find them, turns out she had simply thrown the lot away with not much of an explanation, after a while I managed to extract the reason from her..........they looked too much like ladies hygene products and made her feel quite ill.
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The optimum would be around 35 degrees each way on the full sized vessel and a little more on the model if you can; however, I feel that you are going to have to face your paranoia if you want to be safe.....
LB
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If the sail rig is balanced (not too much weather or lee helm) then that might be enough. And if it isn't, it might require a quick pulse of motor to get it out of stays.
An experiment is in order, I think.
Andy
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Neil if you moved the pulleys further out would you be able to get more turn and therfore get more rudder throw ??????
Dave
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thanks Jaydee........I haven't measured the angle yet but would reckon it toi be about 25 - 30 degrees.
No, LB , not going down that road, lol.
And Dave...can't move the rollers, and don't think moving the pulley any further out would do anything........I think the only solution to getting a bit more throw is to enlarge the pulley so that the cord is dragged further round on a bigger circumferance but cheers for your replies guys. will take it all in before doing anything drastic..........trust me to be diferent, {-) {-) %% %% %% %% %%
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and andy........not being a sailing man.....I don't quite understand what you are saying.....could you please explain it to me simply.........as I am not in tune with sailing terms.
cheers.
neil.
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you may also need to increase the physical size of the rudder , as in standard scale size the rudders tend not to be very effective ( look at most of the thames barge sailing models ) my own scale sail boats have rudders with at least 50% oversized rudder blades . jon
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Hi Neil,
I think you've answered your own question!
You want to keep scale fidelity, which I admire you for, therefore you are addressing the only possible variable
i.e. rudder throw.
You could alter the sail size to balance the boat but......
I feel as you say that the performance, having reduced the original craft will be at least adequate.
To see a miniature lifeboat sailing will be a great achievement :-))
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cheers Longshanks...........my fiddling tonight has given me hope, lol
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@Neil:
One obvious thing that has not been mentioned here to increase your rudder throw would be to move the line attachment points on the rudder closer to the pivot point, assuming the servo is strong enough.
Noted also that with this control method there will be some slack in the control line when the rudder is well off centre (distorted parallelogram).
Measuring from your photos you currently have about 12 degrees each side of centre. I would agree with the others that you may need a bit more rudder throw - thinking around 30 degrees each side of centre would be appropriate. This would mean doubling the circumference of your pulley.
Re the oversize rudder (clear extension) - I realise you are not keen on this. In my opinion, this would be a good idea as the scale rudder on the scale boat will not be as effective as the full size one on the full size boat due to the mathematical vagaries of scaling (while length reduces by scale, area reduces by scale squared and displacement by scale cubed I believe).
Perhaps you might consider a removable clear extension - that way it looks good on display, and you add the extension when going to sea....? It could be arranged to slip over the scale rudder perhaps. Clear plastic cover from a document binder would do... it would be just about invisible in the water even at close range.
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cheers mrpenguin....I am going to increase the pulley diameter this morning, so will try that one first. and see how that goes.
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I've read of an alternative. Some scale sailors include a pump which squirts water across the rudder thus improving rudder response due to the flow of water. You need a little hole (or 2) somewhere in the stern of course but it's not as bad as an oversized rudder.
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Neil, you misunderstand the nature of "scale". As MrPenguin says, simply applying a mathematical reduction to Everything won't do. For instance, a 1/2 scale model boat is 1/2 the length of the real boat...but the model rudder is 1/2 the length and 1/2 the depth of the real rudder. This means that the Area of the rudder is 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4th of the area of the real boat's rudder. Now, Why would anyone think that a rudder that has only 1/4 of the area, when the boat is 1/2 the length, would work the same as the rudder on the real boat?
I might note, if you are a airplane modeler, that it is common to adjust (upward) the size of control surfaces on model airplanes. The only times this is not necessary is when the model flies much faster than scale speeds. Your boat will likely move faster than scale speed. But, in my experience, even moving at a scale 60knots (my 2 foot hull topsail schooner), a "scale" rudder does not provide enough turning power.
If you retain the 1/4 area rudder (actually yours will be much smaller since your model is not 1/2 scale), you will retain mantlepiece fidelity, but you will not achieve on-the-water fidelity. It's your hobby, so you are free to chose any fidelity you want, of course.
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thanks Brooks,............I do understand about scale..............was once a draughtsman, , and how it affects my lifeboats......they weren't the most manouverable boats in real life, and in model form they are even worse.............but the problem was in the amount of throw that my pathetic steering rig was giving to the rudder.
Actually my motorised boats have a decent throw to the rudder and I was hoping for a solution to it by enlarging the pulley diameter, and have been working on it all day, without success.........much to my chagrine'.
However I have posted a solution to the problem as I think will possibly work, on my lifeboat build log.............. http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,39214.new.html#new (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,39214.new.html#new) but if the throw doesn't improve, then the boats will sit on the mantle piece.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
could you use a servo- morph to increase the throw of
your rudder servo?
john
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Neil,
Forget all this doomsday talk about the servo horn length must be the same as the control horn length - it's utter rubbish <*<
As long as the difference in length between the two horns is no more than 1:2 or 2:1 and the holes on each arm are equidistant from, and inline with, the pivot, the lines will not go slack :-))
You can use this ratio to increase or decrease the movement at the rudder.
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thanks CF........... and all who have posted on this matter..........I'm going to use the method that Jaydee has shown in a diagram,( and have been in conversation about it via PM with him) apart from one minor alteration.........there is a double loop in the rig.............and the "rope" is anchored at the fore end of the end box on the lifeboats and am going to anchor my "ropes" the same.........but they will be attached to working brass turnbuckles ( that I bought from Modelling Timbers yesterday) and any slack in the line which then runs through the cross tree on the rudder back to the rollers on the fore end of the end boxes and then through the aft bulkhead of the end box to the servo arms can be taken up by the turnbuckles thus giving a taught line at all times.
I reckon that this is a simple and easy to modify feature on the boats and within my capabilities without doing further repairable damage and need of restoration to the boats.
Made my mind up now, and so will get onto it tomorrow.
thanks to you all for your help and ideas..............I'd have still been struggling and pondering without you all.
cheers, neil.
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@Neil:
(Noted this thread seems to have been moved & combined with another)
Nice to see you have it sorted.
I assumed from your original setup that you were perhaps intending to have a ship's wheel on the end of that servo shaft? With a bit of variation to the excellent plan provided by JayDee, you could perhaps run the line around your pulley on your (now free running) shaft so the wheel moves when the servo moves??
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Neil
See your decision comment, but will still send the sketch of my idea of how the steering was probably rigged either to a wheel and capstan or as you suggested just block and tackles to people pulling on the falls as necessary.
The two long runs of the rope could easily have multi sheave blocks giving more power to the rig.
On a model a motor with a reduction gearbox, under the stern deck, could drive the wheel and capstan shaft directly or through a belt system.
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Neil[/size]See your decision comment, but will still send the sketch of my idea of how the steering was probably rigged either to a wheel and capstan or as you suggested just block and tackles to people pulling on the falls as necessary.The two long runs of the rope could easily have multi sheave blocks giving more power to the rig.On a model a motor with a reduction gearbox, under the stern deck, could drive the wheel and capstan shaft directly or through a belt system.
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Neil....I am faced with a similar question with the 1:20 scale version rudder of the Australian PS Adelaide
She has two falls of chain to each side of the rudder so is near identical to the concept offered by boneash.........ie., two falls of chain = twice the applied force....down side is twice the rotational or longitudinal travel on the servo or servo drive motor to achieve any given result of a single fall...... {:-{ ....Derek
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Neil....I am faced with a similar question with the 1:20 scale version rudder of the Australian PS Adelaide
She has two falls of chain to each side of the rudder so is near identical to the concept offered by boneash.........ie., two falls of chain = twice the applied force....down side is twice the rotational or longitudinal travel on the servo or servo drive motor to achieve any given result of a single fall...... {:-{ ....Derek
Sounds like a job for a sail winch rather than a standard servo - something like this perhaps - 6 turns.....
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18743__Vigor_VSD_11YMB_MG_HV_Extra_Large_360_Degree_Winch_Servo_0_75sec_40kg_150g.html (http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18743__Vigor_VSD_11YMB_MG_HV_Extra_Large_360_Degree_Winch_Servo_0_75sec_40kg_150g.html)
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I think we should all chip in for a new tea mug for our Neil
http://www.zazzle.co.uk/danger_genius_at_work_mug-168134133800283957 (http://www.zazzle.co.uk/danger_genius_at_work_mug-168134133800283957)
Glad you got it sorted :)
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cheers Gary.........but I owe that one to all you guys who chipped in, as I was at the stage of a mental blockage, and wasn't progressing anyway soon.
by the way.........I'd prefer a beer or wine glass {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Neil, my apologies if it is too late but that photo is of the pulling boat Ryder,based here in Cornwall.I did ask last week when I was at Looe,with regard to the cradle,and the answer I got from them was that the masts are almost always up,and they have no cradle.
Mick F
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cheers Boneash and Mick...........yes, she is a selfrighter and much smaller and less beamier boat than the maude Pickup.........Maude pickup had the same steering rig as that boat in her earlier years where the rudder was operated by the use of block and tackle, but in her latter years I have been told by an old lifeboat man at Fleetwood that she was converted to wheel steering for ease......can't be certain but one can only go by what you pick up.
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Neil.....those support legs on the steering box look 100 years old :-)) ...are they to scale design? or did you model them on your own legs {-) .......Derek
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Outstanding work, Neil :-)) You make me feel very inadequate - I think I'd better take up knitting %%
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Outstanding work, Neil :-)) You make me feel very inadequate - I think I'd better take up knitting %%
Peter.
I'll get my wife to teach you peter...she's far better at knitting than I am at modelling.
as for the legs, derek..a bit of fanciful covering up of a cockup.......I drilled two holes in the deck in the wrong place so had to bend the legs to cover the holes.......... %% %% %% %% ..........my models........only rivet counters will know in reality {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ , lol
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I miscounted and made 13..........3 for each mast plus, as it seems...a spare one, {-) {-)
That means you're going to drop and loose 2 of them {-)
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you know me better than I know myself gary, {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Looking absolutely fantastic Neil, can't really say any more.
Dave. :-)) :-)) :-))
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They are both looking great, you are doing very well with the fiddly bits even though you say your fingers get in the way.
Gerard
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I have been thinking Neil, the super high quality of your work must have a lot to do with how well you organise your workshop, LOL. joking aside it just gets better by the day, you are a true Artisan & great to know & watch at work. Mick B.
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One of these days Mick.......I really will clear out and tidy up, lol.............
may be after these two lifeboats and before the next model.......which will be a complete change for me????? %% %% %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Was just going to comment about the state of the workshop, I work in a mess but i dont think i could mange in your place, with respect of course!
Another fabulous update Neil
Dan :-))
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Was just going to comment about the state of the workshop, I work in a mess but i dont think i could mange in your place, with respect of course!
Dan :-))
yeh but I know where everything is dan.....apart from my chuck key, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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yeh but I know where everything is dan.....apart from my chuck key, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
All is now revealed as to why you can never find that elusive chuck key :o :o %) %) O0 O0 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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All jokes aside Neil..... {-) ...I think I see three differing thickness of string/twine/rope & a few differing shades after the TEA bag dunking O0 ...... but is it pure cotton? or something else....& are you tying the threads off & adding a Superglue lock/dip?
Will you be going over the rope material with bees wax or another wax preservative? %) ................Derek
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Hi Derek..........yes to all those questions.......I managed to get three different thicknesses and shades to differentiate the standing, running and tying off ropes..........I have another thicker and different shade to match the sails to use as the "bolt" rope that is sown onto all the edges of each sail as well........and they are as you say pure cotton which I have given some repeated baths in hot water and cold salt water baths to pre shink it all ready for sowing on.
I also was given many years ago a bag full of pure cotton cobblers "cotton" and have a nice shade of brown which my good lady will be using to sow the sails with........and yes the thread ends have been treated to cyano to stop them unwinding.
as for taking the "hairiness out of the rigging I will be rubbing it all with bees wax to preserve it against the ravages of our wonderful wet summers as much as for cleaning it all up..........it has all been made so that the masts can be de rigged so they can all be taken off without fear of breaking anything on board whilst I do that pleasurable "chore"
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Visited the infamous workshop today and I have to say the 2 lifeboats look good on here but to see them in the " flesh" they are out of this world and I don,t think they can be bettered....Well done to that man....Rod :-)) :-))
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Make sure good lady puts in reef points,
and cringles to match in the bolt rope. :-))
Ned
(Sail stitch counter) :D
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Hi Ned......please give me a diagram as to what I'm looking for and I'll get the good lady to do so %% %% %% %% %% %%
I'm still learning the terms and names of things.
don't forget...this is my first (and probably last ) venture into sail,
and cheers for the comments Rod......that means a great deal to me as I know in my heart, your heart lies with trawlers and not lifeboats.............so the comments mean something special.
neil.
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outstanding workmanship neil your boats just get better with every new build
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@Neil - looking nice, will be a great build:
Harking back to the steering discussed earlier - a couple of things:
1) Those brass pulleys (?pullies?) look marvellous - where did you find them? Or are they home built perhaps..?
2) There was discussion earlier in the thread regarding getting enough angle on the rudder - assuming you have the pulleys connected so they are really working as they look to be, the addition of the pulleys will provide a 2:1 reduction between servo arm and rudder, doubling the torque to the rudder but halving the rudder throw. Just wondering if this was intended...?
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@Neil - looking nice, will be a great build:
Harking back to the steering discussed earlier - a couple of things:
1) Those brass pulleys (?pullies?) look marvellous - where did you find them? Or are they home built perhaps..?
2) There was discussion earlier in the thread regarding getting enough angle on the rudder - assuming you have the pulleys connected so they are really working as they look to be, the addition of the pulleys will provide a 2:1 reduction between servo arm and rudder, doubling the torque to the rudder but halving the rudder throw. Just wondering if this was intended...?
No.....bought the pulleys from a company called Modellingtimbers.
As to the pulley arrangement.........it's as per plans from the RNLI.............never considered torque or reduction of throw because of the mechanics of the arrangement.......but with the new arrangement I now get the throw that the actual boats would also have got, which it what I was aiming for.
cheers.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
Can you explain the use of White metal please. What is it? Do you have to melt it like lead and pour it into the mould. ? is it hot ?
I'd really like to know as I've seem some quite intricate detail done with this material, although, as we know , it's not very strong.
Cheers
ken
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Hi Neil,
Can you explain the use of White metal please. What is it? Do you have to melt it like lead and pour it into the mould. ? is it hot ?
I'd really like to know as I've seem some quite intricate detail done with this material, although, as we know , it's not very strong.
Cheers
ken
Quick answer
Its a low melt alloy, slightly less toxic than lead.
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Hi Kenny......white metal is a mix of tin, lead and antimony..............the less lead the more brittle the "white metal" becomes.
It's used in industry for bearings such as big end Bearings and other forms similar, and has been used for collectors war gaming soldiers for years, and became highly used in model boat fittings kits from the early 1980's when Frank Hinchliffe ( who started his career selling models of toy soldiers and claim to fame was in the credits of the old Callan Movie of the early 1970's when he supplied all the soldiers to the film company for a scene in the film) started using them on his first two models Joffre and Northlight.
Almost all model boat kit manufacturers these days use some white metal for some fittings in their kits.
Depending on the constituency of the metal it can melt over an open gas hob in a spoon ( not advisable for HSE, upto temps of over 300c......I normally have my melting pot set at around 220 - 250. it flows well into a Room temperature of vulcanised rubber mould and soon cools to a decent finish.....the finer the master the better the mouldings out of it.
Old Church organ pipes are made from White metal....nut pure lead....remember Frank buying a whole set of organ pipes from a church that was having new ones for melting down into fittings.....half his Caldercraft and Mountfleet kits were supplied with fittings made from them, lol
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Sewing Sweatshop found in Fleetwood %% %%
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{-) {-) {-) {-) {-) .........one big difference with this and most other sweat shops, Ned.............she ain't getting paid anything,lol
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she will get her revenge one day by tidying up your workshop beware SWMBO's and daughters with dusters (dyed sheets!) <*< <*< <*<
Mick F
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Thanks for the info on the metalurgy Neil.
Very informative. Might have a go myself one day.
Ken
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Hi Neil,
I must say the boats are looking splendid, a credit to you, and the detail is superb.
Gerard
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thanks Gerard.....appreciated.
I look forward to getting them on the water.
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Neil,
Digressing, because your climate is different, how effective is the 'Kingspan'.
It is now marketed in Oz.
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it's excellent Raaarty.............I have two low use electric heaters filled with oild for heating, and even in the coldest of winters we have just had the kingspan keeps the heat inside the garage.......it is not the best workshop for with holding heat as there are gaps in the doors and windos are only single glazed jobs but I do get some good heat retention.....it's only in the roof area though........as the walls are lined with chipboard with rockwool sandwich between garage walls and the chip board liners.........nice and cozy
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Neil,
Thank you, Good to hear :-)) :-))
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I think the real insulation in your (disaster)oh sorry your workshop is the 12 to 15 inches of dust covering everything, nothing can get through that, not even a cruise missile.It makes for a very friendly place though & what you produce in there is nothing short of miraculous.The boats are beautiful , I am just gob smacked. Mick B.
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Lovely job Neil, will look great on the water I am sure...
Transporting, launching and retrieving a boat that size will a bit of a challenge I imagine...?
My largest yacht (an A Class) is 1.8 metres long and over 2 metres high when rigged, weighs 15 kg. One has to be cautious handling that. Clearly your lifeboat will larger in all the dimensions mentioned....
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thanks..............yes, they are quite heavy........thinking of buying one of these....... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231002551953?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231002551953?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
neil.
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All ...........................the chuck key has returned........ {-) {-) ....Derek
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39214.0;attach=126092;image)
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what you doing up so early......................watching the British GP I hope, lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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trouble is found the chuck key, but i cant find my glasses now {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) lol 8) brilliant finish neil
cant wait to see sails set up.
david
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Are they your own moulds of the figures neil,as if they are i will want a couple for my display(sitting down figure with hat & beard and one standing up)unpainted of coarse. Martin
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Looking at photo 28, you seem to be armed to the teeth, Neil %)
Peter.
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I didn't realise that on top of all your other talents that you were also a plastic surgeon as well, there is just no end to your talents, Mick B.
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Looking at photo 28, you seem to be armed to the teeth, Neil %)
Peter.
I reckon the Lions could do with that many this coming Saturday, Peter {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
the only plastic I am good at fixing......seems the plastic you spend on has taken a hammering on this build, Mick {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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NOW I am really getting EXCITED at the prospect of sailing one of these beauties at the RNLI day CANT WAIT M8
Dave
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so am I matey. :-)) :-)) :-))
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superb job all round Neil,I would be proud to have you donate one to me lol :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Mick F
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superb job all round Neil,I would be proud to have you donate one to me lol :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Mick F
{-) {-) {-) {-) {-) ....the vultures do swarm........haven't even sailed one yet........... {-) {-) {-) {-)
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haven't even sailed one yet
Oh I think Mick is willing to take a risk Neil .... bit of a chancer I hear.
Dave
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Those brass eyelet's........very interesting Neil...do you anneal them to stop the reverse side from fracturing prior to punching or forming them over?..........can buy them in Craft shops in many sizes.....jus need to check with a magnet to make sure they are not brass plated steel <*< ....as if so the plating is 2 to 3 micron only & will start rusting after 23 minutes O0 .....Derek
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39214.0;attach=126281;image)
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hi Derek............no, didn't anneal them..............actually never thought of that........still got more to do though, so will try one see if it works............they are brass though.......spilt some on the floor and first thing I tried was a magnet to pick em up........had to do so manually, lol
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hi neil
i must say what an excelent job your good lady wife has done on those sails :-)) , i no that it was not easey to do, i hope she gets some praise for it when you sail them both,
david
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{-) {-) {-) {-) {-) ....the vultures do swarm........haven't even sailed one yet........... {-) {-) {-) {-)
Oi who you calling a vulture?
My missus says I am a magpie,I collect things and never give them up!
Its great when a mate calls you that,now I wonder what I can call you........no, I will stick to Pugwash that will do fine! :} :} :} :}
Mick F
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Magnificent Sir :-)) :-)) :-))
The Sail Colour looks so authentic.
Let's see the Old Girl lift her petticoats and run with the wind.
Neil, you should be proud of her.
Ned
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Neil, you should be proud of her.
Ned
I am Ned.......they have taken a lot more building than I thought they would when I first started...........but it has been worth it.
And thanks for your kind comments...................it's comments like this from you guys that has actually kept me going when all mistakes I made threatened to make me feel like packing up./
neil.
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Everybody makes mistake`s, i`m one of the mistakes !but a job well done.A lot of people have learnt a lot from this and everything is appreciated because i have learned a lot from this thread.Well done Niel. Martin(baloo)
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An excellent job you have made of her Neil. Thank you for showing us the build from start to finish.We know now it wasn't easy but were intrigued by your solutions and remedies as your progressed through it.
Well done indeed. :-)) :-)) :-))
Ken
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thanks guys.......hopefully the sailing boat will be up to the same spec by tomorrow afternoon so will post pics of her tomorrow evening....weather permitting...
speaking of weather, apart from a billing Bluenose which I built and converted to a sailing model many years ago and sailed until it sprung planks and sank, so I gave it away..........these are the first sailing craft I have built..............and guess what................we now have a high pressure over us and the wind has dropped to zilch............ {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
And as a matter of interest to anyone else making sails.......(and I know a professional would do them a lot quicker and charge an arm and a leg), but it took my good lady just over 70 hours to cut pin, stitch and sow the sails, and she used over 300 metres of thread for them..........The rigging yarns I have used have come to around 80 metres including the grab lines............you wouldn't think so but it's true.
neil.
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I cant add anything much. else to previous comments Neil, brilliant from start to finish. I look forward to seeing them in real life in due course.
With all that sail making and the hours your better half! put in,for gawds sake please dont build HMS VICTORY,as you cant afford a divorce at the moment.
Well done my friend.
Mick F
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Absolutely marvellous, Neil, congratulations on an extremely fine model :-)) I am looking forward to seeing shots of her sailing, when the wind eventually arrives.
Peter.
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Yes Neil.......a very tenanted modeller living in Spain once suggested to me that a model vessel is really a gathering of many individual completed sub components ....this has certainly been the case in this build
I am sure, I like others have gleaned many tips & build ideas along the way....thankyou :-)) ...............
Just thinking.....possibly you should treat your sailmaker to dinner %) ...... Derek
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1st class models I hope you will get a lot of pleasure out of them when you sail them. Thank you for sharing all the ups and downs of the builds I have learnt a lot as I am new to modelling compared to a lot of people. I hope mine will come out as good. Will miss the builds so please don't wait to long before you start your next build. Enjoy
John
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a very tenanted modeller
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Yes Neil, thanks a lot for another very enjoyable build thread :-))
I visit you every day mate ... But no cuppa so far.
Dave
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Have sent you a PM on the plates. This last one look great as well.
John
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@Neil:
A lovely build - look forward to seeing it on the water
Looking at the last photo, wondering what function the rigging with the clothes pegs on it performs
O0 ;D
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You have had a lot of praise for your work on these boats & well deserved I might add.But another point that may have been missed is that you are an outstanding Forum member that always keeps your word , a straight shooter & a nice guy all around & the best contributor to our forum by a country mile. I too follow you everyday. I hope you have many hours of fun & sailing with these two models & of course we are spell bound to see what comes next. Thanking you seems a bit inadequate but is the best I can do for now, Mick B.
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Hello mick b,Neil was going to sail them to canada,but decided not to as he got to get on with his next project!!.Martin
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Hi Neil,
Inspirational to say the least, its great to keep the history of the RNLI alive in scale models. Although I dont get much time to build, threads like your puts me to shame, must get motivated retire or get a job closer to home!
Look forward to the next one :}
Rich
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So whats next?
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@Neil:
A lovely build - look forward to seeing it on the water
Looking at the last photo, wondering what function the rigging with the clothes pegs on it performs
O0 ;D
Ahhh.....quick thinking here..........a long range early form of radio arial perhaps {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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@Neil:
A lovely build - look forward to seeing it on the water
Looking at the last photo, wondering what function the rigging with the clothes pegs on it performs
O0 ;D
They are old style aerial insulators, you know Neil,s modellers licence applies %) %) %)
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thanks for all your comments guys........twas your inspiration that kept me going, I can assure you.
as for my next build...............something absolutely and totally different...........
A Caledonian McBrayne "Streaker Class" ferry powered by two Graupner Voith Schnieder PU's.......and probably a deck full of Eddie Stobart trucks..............you guess it...........it's a model for my daughter.
And then she'll be able to sail it at our favourite holiday spot............Largs, Ayrshire( shown in the last shot from the air.
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They are old style aerial insulators, you know Neil,s modellers licence applies %) %) %)
well. Raaarty!...............as you know, I used a lot of that on these builds,..... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Ahhh.....quick thinking here..........a long range early form of radio arial perhaps {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
See what did I say {-) {-) %% %%
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It wasn,t a laugh it was more of a snigger.....On the serious side it looked great on the water and just a little tweeking here and there will make it a superb model both on and off the water....Rod :-)) :-)) :-))
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I'm jealous!
And I'm betting many others are too.
One day I'll build something half as good as that
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I'm jealous!
And I'm betting many others are too.
One day I'll build something half as good as that
ditto both of these comments,its taken me around 3 weeks to read this topic through properly and i have to admit,beats any book ive read. simply stunned by the skill and dedication of this build :-)) :-)) :-))
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thanks Redsquirrel................can't say it's been fun all the way, but Now I have all but finished, i'm glad I persevered.........the outcome pleases me.
neil.
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I wonder if this will get Neil a masters build placing this time, he sure has been knocking on the door a long time. It would be good for the hobby if he did, but in the end I am sure Martin & his helpers will make the right decision, for what it counts for it gets my vote, Mick B.
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I wonder if this will get Neil a masters build placing this time, he sure has been knocking on the door a long time. It would be good for the hobby if he did, but in the end I am sure Martin & his helpers will make the right decision, for what it counts for it gets my vote, Mick B.
Yep I will second that call for the build to be added to the masterclass heading. Contains everything a modeller would need in "how to",in all but a step by step manner.Also contains some humour,which is also good,because we take things a little two seriously.
I can just imagine Neil and Wodney at the pools edge this afternoon,huffing and puffing to get the model moving.
But seriously folks,he deserves all the accolades he is getting.
Mick F
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careful... Neil will be needing to widen the workshop door so he can get his head through ;D
Have to agree certainly deserves a slot in the masterclass
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@Neil,
She looks great on the water - I particularly like shot 4 with the wind from astern filling the sails.
I would think lifeboats would usually be deployed in more wind.... for their intended usage I mean... with the hull shape, I would think she needs a bit of headway before attempting a tack.
Re your mate's derogatory the trawler comments - why not have a little competition to see who runs out of battery first???
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Neil doesn`t need a "masterclass"(he does really)he is the "MASTER"class.Superb throughout the thread,everybody reading it has learnt something in one way or another.Well done Neil :-))
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can't take any more of this praise.....my ego's to big as it is.............gonna bury my head in the sand and hibernate for the summer, lol
thanks to you all, and I truly appreciate all the comments....they honestly did keep me going.
it was a true learning curve.
neil.
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you can laugh......but this captain pugwash has been hard at it today setting the other sails....still a few tiny jobs to finish on them both, but I couldn't resist posting pictures of the first boat to actually look finished.............
May I present to you.........
THE WILLIAM AND LAURA, Donaghadee's Lifeboat of 1910.
Hi Neil..
A superb job but you confuddled me or a few moments. I didn't realise there were two lifeboats named 'William and Laura'. The second one was a liverpool class lifeboat stationed at Newcastle, Co. Down from 1949 - 1980. I think she was a twin screw but will check with our DLA who was a mechanic on it.
Hmmm!! You're planting seeds. We've had a liverpool, Oakley, Mersey and hopefully (fingers crossed) will have a new Irish River named lifeboat - not tempting fate!!
Think I'll look up plans for the Liverpool & Oakley class lifeboat. Have them for the Mersey.
Declan
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yes, Declan ..
there was a Liverpool ON 870 built 1949, stationed at Newcastle for the whole of her service life until may 1980, and sold out of service in September 1980..........and is on display at the Ulster Folk and Transport museum, Cultra, Co. Down
neil.
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Hi Neil..
Yes, going up next week to take a few pictures. I have sent an email to metcalf mouldings to see if they still sell the Liverpool Class kit. Would love over the next few years to build three classes that we had on station. The mechanic on the William and Laura (now retired due to health grounds) just lives a few doors down from me so hopefully should be able to guide me on its construction plus as crew, I have access to additional station records.
Declan
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hi Declan........Dave Metcalf hasn't actually released the Liverpool yet...won't be for a few months as he is getting to grips with a new cutting machine for parts ........so hopefully that will be my next model lifeboat.
neil.
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hi Declan........Dave Metcalf hasn't actually released the Liverpool yet...won't be for a few months as he is getting to grips with a new cutting machine for parts ........so hopefully that will be my next model lifeboat.
neil.
Ahh!.. Right. I thought it had been released end of last year. Is it going to be a full kit?
Declan
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yes.......full kit, full instructions, full sized plans and lazer cut parts plus the usual white metal and resin fittings.
here are the pictures of the prototype I built for dave to take the fittings and everything else from.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html)
neil.
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yes.......full kit, full instructions, full sized plans and lazer cut parts plus the usual white metal and resin fittings.
here are the pictures of the prototype I built for dave to take the fittings and everything else from.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html)
neil.
Looks absolutely lovely. Putting the pennies away to fund the purchase when it come out. Would you have avalid email address for Metcalf Mouldings. The email I have has just bounced back.
Cheers
Declan
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his business email address is [email protected]
but you best ringing him on 01920 438686 as he has a phobia about his computer as he has had a lot of trouble with hackers over the past while or so
neil
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his business email address is [email protected]
but you best ringing him on 01920 438686 as he has a phobia about his computer as he has had a lot of trouble with hackers over the past while or so
neil
Ahh!! Was wondering as his website is a little - how do you say it - sparse.
Declan
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Declan if you Google Metcalf Mouldings you will get his web site with lots of information on it, I hope that helps, Mick B.
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Declan if you Google Metcalf Mouldings you will get his web site with lots of information on it, I hope that helps, Mick B.
Cheers Mick..
It seems David has been having problems with his website. A the moment, it very basic and I think he prefers direct contact by phone at moment.
How's the health going?
Declan
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I finally had the cast removed from my broken left wrist today, the same hand that got hit by the stroke in January, thanks though for asking, it will be nice when 2014 rolls around. Are you now on a full lifeboat crew ?.Mick B
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Sorry Neil for side tracking your thread, I promise not to do it again. Mick B.
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Mick........there has been a nomination for a Master Class inclusion for this brilliant build thread..... :-))
I am sure any subsequent postings after Neil's final work posting ......could be trimmed by the Moderators
However I suggest we members respect the thread content....from this date onwards........ O0 .....Derek
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Mick........there has been a nomination for a Master Class inclusion for this brilliant build thread..... :-))
I am sure any subsequent postings after Neil's final work posting ......could be trimmed by the Moderators
However I suggest we members respect the thread content....from this date onwards........ O0 .....Derek
you guys chat as much as you like.....the thread is all but finished now........no more building, the boats are finished apart from crew which I'm working on..........so quite happy to listen to your meanderings, lol {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Hi Derek I get carried away sometimes. sometimes it is O/K & other times a no no. However Neil is always so nice about it & never complains. I do hope he gets master class designation for this build but in the end it is up to Martin & his team, I am sure they will make the right decision, they usually do. Mick B.
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I finally had the cast removed from my broken left wrist today, the same hand that got hit by the stroke in January, thanks though for asking, it will be nice when 2014 rolls around. Are you now on a full lifeboat crew ?.Mick B
Yes, both the inshore and All Weather Lifeboat. Glad to hear all is going the right direction
www.newcastlelifeboat.info (http://www.newcastlelifeboat.info)
Oops. Sorry folks. Didn't mean to hijack.
Declan
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any lifeboat crewman can hijack my thread ANYTIME..........god bless you all.
neil.
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any lifeboat crewman can hijack my thread ANYTIME..........god bless you all.
neil.
:embarrassed: Humbly appreciated :embarrassed:
Have followed the thread and if I can get even near the quality you have, I'll be a very happy chappy. I probably will need to call on your expertise on a few issues once I start the my build. I haven't decided which to start first but will carefully think about it
Declan
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always happy to help if I can, Declan.....anytime.
neil
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Hi Neil,
Did the question of the frame over the engine ever get resolved?
Just curious, like answers that's all. May answer similar questions on other old craft.
Can't wait to see your 2 boats all crewed up.
Magnificent work, by the way
cheers
vnkiwi
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Hi Neil,
Did the question of the frame over the engine ever get resolved?
Just curious, like answers that's all. May answer similar questions on other old craft.
Can't wait to see your 2 boats all crewed up.
Magnificent work, by the way
cheers
vnkiwi
not as yet, Kiwi........but got the best of lifeboat brains on it, lol..........as for crew men, this is the crew of the pulling sailing boat in their "buff," ready for filling and painting, with arms (and in one case, legs) fitted and adjusted to fit in with the boats fixings.
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Brilliant Neil,
keep painting
vnkiwi :-))
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just loved this build from day one neil and i hope that martin/mods could consider moving it into the masterclass section 31000+ veiws can't be wrong
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thanks andy and all who viewed and commented on it.
That decision is up to the mods, but I have no objections either way.
I just hope that my next project will be as entertaining....................but it WON'T be a lifeboat, lol
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EEE BY GUM Neil has his own terracota armu
Dave
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And here we are in the land of Oz being told that the little people is a figment of imagination.
Well no more, we always knew it was true, O0 O0 seeing is believing %) %)
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EEE BY GUM Neil has his own terracota army
Dave
And he didn't have to dig a great big hole to find them {-)
Peter.
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Never make rude remarks about the little men with the green jackets & red caps & white Owl's feathers, they have mighty powers & keep their pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.I know, I know, it is just an old wife's tale but never say it out loud just in case they are listening. Mick B.
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Just wait till all the figure`s are painted,then it will be in the "master class" section,it will give a different image to this brilliant build.Now do the lights work !(only joking)
Martin
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Nah,I don't think the lights will be working as old pugwash hasn't enough wind to blow them out! (PS spot the deliberate lie)
Mick F
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Depends on the wind direction
Wind from a head --No
Wind from a stern. ---Yes
Ned
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No martin..............I don't do working lights on boats anymore.........did it once and a total waste of time....the wiring had rotted before I got the boat off the first sail, lol
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Nah,I don't think the lights will be working as old pugwash hasn't enough wind to blow them out! (PS spot the deliberate lie)
Mick F
sore point today, that matey..................the whole topic of conversation in my household today has been how windy it is..............and I don't mean the weather.....the Gaviscon and Zantac have taken a pounding, I can tell you.
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sore point today, that matey..................the whole topic of conversation in my household today has been how windy it is..............and I don't mean the weather.....the Gaviscon and Zantac have taken a pounding, I can tell you.
All those root veg and/or eggs. Gas masks at ready {-)
Declan
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sore point today, that matey..................the whole topic of conversation in my household today has been how windy it is..............and I don't mean the weather.....the Gaviscon and Zantac have taken a pounding, I can tell you.
Gaviscon 'P', made in UK, is avaialble here on prescrition from Chemists, and is more effective than the over the counter item. O0 O0 O0 :-)) :-)) :-))
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Have you started painting any of the figures yet,as i`m sure we are all waiting to see (this "MASTERCLASS")build.baloo
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sadly matey, whilst I was on holiday they all jumped ship and deserted, lol...........didn't like being painted like John Major.....all dressed in grey, from the note they left me {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Nick 'round the local then Neil, catch em before closing and bring em back me lad. <*<
Even a drunken crews better than none at all. %)
cheers
vnkiwi :-))
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I think I saw them Kiwi, last night when I went to see the hilariously funny and stupid film "The Worlds End"..........they were in all the pubs doing the same pub crawl as Simon Pegg and Nick Frost
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:-)