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Title: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 11:40:52 am
Ken...or any of you model truckers...is it possible to convert one of the Tamiya truck into a race truck? Something like the one in the pic below.

Rich

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Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 28, 2014, 11:46:53 am

Yes


The chassis are metal and can be modified so I see no reason it couldn't be done.  You won't be able to keep up with a normal one in top gear anyway.  I should imagine  a bigger motor would suffice.

Count me out however.  The though of all that loveliness tipping over would horrify me.   %)

Cheers

ken


 
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 11:48:08 am
I'm tempted...very tempted.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 12:02:07 pm
This may be a good start, should be convertable..


http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/tamiya-114-volvo-fh12-globetrotter-420/ (http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/tamiya-114-volvo-fh12-globetrotter-420/)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on February 28, 2014, 12:03:50 pm
Now that I would like to see, nice bit of drifting too but as ken points out you may have to add some weight to the chassis behind those skirts to keep it shiny side up. As the tamiya kits do tend to be a little top heavy as they are when going a full pelt. That's why a lot don't use the kit supplied motor and some lock the gearbox so it wont go into 3rd/top gear.


If you do go for it Rich give me a shout once it's done so I can come and watch, I can't be that far from you as I'm in sussex too.
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 12:07:57 pm
I am very tempted to have a try at one, I will admit...it's something I've never done. Way back when, I did used to race the Mardave 1/8th scale stock cars, but never followed it on. This appeals to me though...


Trying to resist...must resist...must...




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Where's that Ken...is this any good, Ken?


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TAMIYA-RC-56305-Mercedes-Benz-Truck-1838-LS-1-14-Assembly-Kit-/400603867930?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item5d45d9eb1a (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TAMIYA-RC-56305-Mercedes-Benz-Truck-1838-LS-1-14-Assembly-Kit-/400603867930?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item5d45d9eb1a)





Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on February 28, 2014, 12:47:53 pm
cheaper here...


http://www.fusionhobbies.com/product/56305-tamiya-mercedes-benz-1838-ls


you will find the chassis and running gear are the same for that Volvo and Merc, only the body thats different.


Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 12:52:53 pm
This is all your fault, Ian (and Ken) you can see why I'm divorced  %)


The deed is about to be done...good thing it's pension day today. Ah well, it's only money...




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 02:51:38 pm
Well, for good or bad, it's done...I ordered the FH12 Volvo from Wonderland Models, and now I'm busy researching race truck designs and paint schemes. Our local electric car racing club is only five minutes drive from here, so next job is to contact them and enquire if I can give it a run on their track when it's done.


Stand by for pages of questions, chaps...this is totally new ground for me. Oh, and I've also joined the Tamiya Truckin forum, so there's no escape. Ken...  %)


Best I go and make some room before the kit arrives...


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 28, 2014, 03:57:50 pm

Well done that man.    :}

That was a good price.  I would like to know the postage and delivery time for the records.

I'm in several Tamiya clubs so we might meet up again.  Look out for  TamiyaKen.  (original I know !!)  These places are very good with the back up to a member, as they started me out OK.  The first thing to do is to look into the motor selections, as you are going racing and the choices are around for different speed and torques.

Keep us informed.     :-))

Ken


 
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on February 28, 2014, 04:02:57 pm
Well done Rich, looking forward to seeing some pics.


One thing I would say is buy some Lock thread for the nuts and bolts, and there's lots of them. they do have a tendency to vibrate/work loose.
I think if I remember right you do get a small tub in the kit but I bought mine in local car accessory shop.


What motor are you thinking of putting in it or haven't you thought that far ahead yet?


One more question, which local car racing club?


Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 04:30:46 pm
Thanks guys...Ken, I did happen to see you on the TT forum. Wonderland are out of stock of the kit, but they have promised me it will be in within two days, so I'll keep you informed.


Ian, haven't got that far yet...that'll be one of the questions I'll be firing soon, along with radio/servo choices, etc. I do have a Planet 5 channel or a 2 channel pistol grip radio, seeing as how I'll not be fitting the bells and whistles to it, I'll not be needing anything multi function (will I?)


I've only just made a start on making room for it on the work desk, been tucking submarines on top of the wardrobes and under the bed out of harms way, next is to sort out the tools, etc.


Local club is...umm...I don't know. Hang on...oh yes, Eastbourne Electric Car Club ( http://www.eecc.co.uk/forum/ (http://www.eecc.co.uk/forum/) ) just five minutes up the A22 from me.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 04:54:15 pm
One thing I have noticed...race trucks seem to have cut down cabs, which I'm a bit apprehensive about doing...slicing into £300's+ worth of truck kit is a bit nerve wracking to say the least!

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on February 28, 2014, 05:39:10 pm
yes I agree, I wouldn't want to be cutting it either. once you start though there's no going back  :D
Another thing I've thought of is don't use the bearings that come in the kit, they are utter rubbish bushes,, buy some ball race bearings, you can get the whole set for the truck including gearbox for a few quid.


If they give you permission to give it a run on their track let me know ad I'll bring my Scaina down to give you something to race against. you would leave mine standing though as it has a carson motor in it. but I'm only 5 mins drive from eastbourne.


Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 05:59:00 pm
That's interesting to know Ian...where do I get the bearings from? (here comes the expense...  <:( )

You must be very close to me then, if you're only five minutes from Eastbourne...I'm in Polegate, again about five minutes from Eastbourne.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on February 28, 2014, 06:25:55 pm
There are a few places that sell them but I bought mine from these guys and had no problems.


http://www.rcbearings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=742


They really do make a huge difference and one big benefit is they will give you a longer run time from the battery.


Yes I am close, I'm up the road in Hailsham   {-)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 06:43:48 pm
That's great, thanks for that link, Ian. I have discovered that I can get replacement cabs from eBay, so I think I may get one to try out the lowering cut, that way if  it works I'll have a spare one...if not, well I haven't ruined the kit.

I guess if you're in Hailsham, you'll have cursed me when in your car...I used to drive a sweeper for the council before retiring on ill health grounds. If there was a queue of traffic, I was at the head of it...


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Stavros on February 28, 2014, 07:50:18 pm
I think those who have these WONDERFULL BEASTS must bring them to Mayhem this year SO I CAN DROOL
 
Dave
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2014, 08:10:51 pm
That counts me out, then...I haven't even got it yet, should be here early next week. I hope...then I have to build it.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on February 28, 2014, 08:47:44 pm
youll probably find the supplied motor will be fine for racing , although its not recomended for the normal scale type driving most of us partake in !  ive built mine without having the tamiya all signing mfu , but have fitted an mtroniks rv esc plus a servo to change gear , the gear selection is via a three position switch on my tx . i would recomend putting some weight over the rear axle if you plan just runnig solo , without my trailer i can spin the wheels even in first gear ! as for a suitable track , my mate and i have used the fareham raceway during the daytime , nice large track and undercover !

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 08:16:10 am
Thanks for that info, keep it coming..


Here we go then...questions:

Servos: what size servos do I need? Standard, mini or micro?
ESC: I'm guessing I won't be able to use a boat type esc, so what's the ideal one to get?
Aftermarket parts: I see on eBay there's replacement cabs available. Does any cab fit the Volvo chassis? I'm thinking of buying one for the initial body chop, see how it comes out before cutting the kit one.
Last one: Can I leave out the cab interior, I'd like to fit a race type interior in mine with a roll cage, switch panel to one side of the seat, etc.


Thanks chaps,




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 01, 2014, 09:15:41 am
I'll try and answer some of your questions Rich...


1/ Standard size servos fit fine.


2/ I cant help with the ESC as mine has the Tamiya MFU sound unit which has a built in ESC, but cant see why a standard one would not work. you could always try contacting Hunter systems, he has ESC's and is only around the corner from you?


3/most cabs will fit your chassis, they attach via a pair of hinges at the front so the cab can tilt forward, As I said most of the chassis are the same with just the cabs being different. the bonneted King hauler or Aeromax may well bit different but I dont think your after that type anyway are you?


4/ yep you can leave the interior out or make your own, in fact a race interior would look really good, but I'm not sure if the Volvo still comes with smoked/blacked out windows. I have a feeling they did, but my Scania has clear windows.


Heres another one for you to think about, google steering set up on tamiya truck, there are a few mods you can do to give you far better steering. I did mine and you get a better turning circle and a lot less slop in the linkage.


Hope that helps
Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 09:34:31 am
I'll try and answer some of your questions Rich...


1/ Standard size servos fit fine.


Great, I have three brand new standard sized ones.


2/ I cant help with the ESC as mine has the Tamiya MFU sound unit which has a built in ESC, but cant see why a standard one would not work. you could always try contacting Hunter systems, he has ESC's and is only around the corner from you?

I know Graham very well, we were neighbours for over twenty years, I'll give him a call later.

3/most cabs will fit your chassis, they attach via a pair of hinges at the front so the cab can tilt forward, As I said most of the chassis are the same with just the cabs being different. the bonneted King hauler or Aeromax may well bit different but I dont think your after that type anyway are you?


That's good news, I think the MAN would be a suitable replacement, it seems to be a lower cab to start with.


4/ yep you can leave the interior out or make your own, in fact a race interior would look really good, but I'm not sure if the Volvo still comes with smoked/blacked out windows. I have a feeling they did, but my Scania has clear windows.

More good news...I don't mind what type of windows it comes with, as I'll be leaving the driver's side open and the passenger side half down anyway, I'll be fitting safety netting as well. Even better that I can scratch build the race interior, there's not that much to it anyway compared to the standard sleeper cabs.


Heres another one for you to think about, google steering set up on tamiya truck, there are a few mods you can do to give you far better steering. I did mine and you get a better turning circle and a lot less slop in the linkage.


I'll do that Ian, thanks for the tip...much appreciated.


Hope that helps
Ian


That's helped a lot, many thanks for being patient with me. As I've said, this is totally new ground to me, so the more information I can get, the better off I'll be when it comes to the building of the beast. I've cleared the slipway ready for the truck's arrival, the wardrobes are full of boats, there's boats on top of the wardrobes and under the bed as well (I have to build my models in my bedroom, I live in a small flat at the moment) I'm hoping it will be delivered early next week, so I've plenty of time to get stuck into researching these race trucks.

Thanks again, Ian...



Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 12:03:32 pm
A slight deviation from plan...I've changed my order from the Volvo to the Merc 1838 LS, it has a much lower cab to start with, and will save me attacking the Volvo cab with a razor saw, something I wasn't looking forward to doing.


Apart from that...Plan A will continue.




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 01, 2014, 01:39:36 pm

I'll go along with that.  it is the lowest roof line.  Good thinking.   :-))


Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 02:57:24 pm
Cheers Ken...what size battery packs to these trucks need?




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Netleyned on March 01, 2014, 03:17:33 pm
j24v 200 mahr paired with a 12 volt tap for CB Radio Gud bud.  :}

Ned

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 04:08:41 pm
There's always one...   %)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 01, 2014, 04:13:22 pm
j24v 200 mahr paired with a 12 volt tap for CB Radio Gud bud.  :}

Ned


Although the plastic body isn't a very good ground for the whip antenna  {-)


http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=41845


that fits nice and snug in the  under slung battery compartment/holder.


Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 04:24:40 pm
That's another question answered...out of all the batteries I've got, I've nothing like that at all. More expense... <:(

Thanks Ian, you're a star.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 01, 2014, 05:12:53 pm

These are the Tamiya batteries you require but you can cut the costs by dropping the  mAh. I find a 2000 lasts a few hours if not driven hard.


http://www.componentshop.co.uk/batteries/radio-control/power-packs/7-2v-8-4v.html

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 01, 2014, 05:44:33 pm
That's another question answered...out of all the batteries I've got, I've nothing like that at all. More expense... <:(

Thanks Ian, you're a star.


Rich


Got a couple of lightly used ones you can have.  drop me a PM with your address and ill wack em in the post....
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 01, 2014, 05:51:38 pm
That's better...thanks Ken. You're a star as well.  :kiss:

E2V...you're a star too. PM en route...

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 11:12:15 am

I have just finished my roadway for the trucks.  I have built the Clifton Suspension bridge as a feature and made a YouTube film of it's construction.

If you would like to see the build, it is now on YouTube  here ..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aznvtUXMhj8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUG5Luksc1sDz6ZJ_mnhMcyw

Working keeps me out of trouble.   %)

Cheers

Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 11:21:58 am
That's one heck of a construction, Ken...Brunel would be proud to see that.


Very nice indeed..




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 11:47:13 am
Thank you Rich.

Too much for this old Gent.      %%      When stored, it takes up a lot of workshop space.  I'm on a mission now to start selling all my boats before I can start anything else as the next project is the London double decker bus at 1:14 scale.

cheers

ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 11:53:08 am
This truck caper can get obsessive, I'm thinking of selling a few bits to make some room. I have to build in my bedroom, it's like sleeping in a model shop at the minute.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 01:25:20 pm
If these  trucks have a three speed gearbox (which I believe they do?) how do I set up the tx so as I can change gear? I presume it's done from one stick?

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 02, 2014, 02:05:25 pm
hi rich , its normally set up on ch3 , the up/down being throttle - forwards / reverse while the left to right becomes the gearchange , some people make a gate to help gear selection . ive cheated a little as my own tx has a three position switch which im using for gearchange . other people just lock the gearchange to just one gear . i prefer the ability to change gear , as although your plannig a race truck , it could be useful to be able to tow a trailer later on etc !

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 02:11:12 pm

The gears are quite straight forward.

i.  For 1st gear you hold the LH stick over to the left and push upwards in a straight line to accelerate and pull back for reverse. If you have the Multi function unit fitted then you need to pull down twice as it includes a brake system.

2.  For 2nd gear you leave the stick in the centre position and push the stick straight up and down for forwards and reverse as above.

3. For 3rd gear  (top) you push the stick over to the right and drive as above.

You can see by this that an  'H'  arrangement (with a middle slot) can be used to control the gearbox and keep it in gear.  It is possible to slide the toggle arm over during a ride and jump into another gear. 

For this reason, it is normal procedure at club meetings to lock the gearbox into bottom gear with the spacer as provided in the kit.  or you can one stage further and remove the gear servo and permanently lock it in bottom gear, which is what I do.  It saves embarrassing leaps of speed and crashing into others.   %)


Well you did ask.     {-)

Cheers

ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 02:12:20 pm

Whoops ................ we both replied at the same time, but I hope you get the gist.   :-))


Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 02, 2014, 02:17:41 pm
Yes they do have a 3 speed box, (which you have to assemble).


On one of the sticks it's push left and up for 1st, straight up for 2nd and right and up for 3rd.


But I use a planet T7 which has a 3 position toggle switch which I use for the gears, I can just flick the switch and it will stay in whatever gear all day long until I flick it again.





Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 02, 2014, 02:19:54 pm
 {-) Three answers and all saying much the same thing
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 02:20:25 pm

Very enthusiastic topic.     %%

I sometimes use my Planet on another truck but have this switch on the trailer release mechanism.

You wouldn't believe the times I've toggled it during a run and  dumped the trailer  mid transit.   {-)


Ken
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 02, 2014, 02:24:46 pm
bet thats fun watching the pin getting stuck on the rear cross member ken ?  ive a second rotary switch i use for the trailer release / leg operation , on the oposite side of the tx , so dont get confused .
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 02:35:31 pm


Yes indeed.  It's even more embarrassing to pull away from stop and the trailer crashes off.  This is rated next to forgetting to raise the support legs    :}

Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 02:38:31 pm
Oh my gawd...you can see why I prefer auto gearboxes.


I'm sat sitting here, tx in hand, going through the motions..it could be fun out on a track remembering what's what whilst trying to sling the thing into a corner sideways, change down and accelerate, all at the same time. So...you can lock the gearbox into any gear and leave it there, am I right? I guess that will either lessen the acceleration or lessen the top speed, as per full size?


I have the Planet tx, but there's no three way switch on mine...although I do have a Futaba computer tx on 40 mHz, which has loads of extra functions on it...maybe I could use that.


Thanks guys...plenty to think about there.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 02, 2014, 02:39:20 pm
Bet that gets a few laughs Ken  {-)


Is this the time to explain to Rich about the fifth wheel micro switch  :-)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 02:40:26 pm
A what?
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 02:41:12 pm

NO ..................  keep it from him.



ps,    it's a trailer thing.     {-)


Ken


pps        You explain it as I'm getting typist cramp.


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 02:42:51 pm
Phew...race trucks don't tow things, so that's one less problem to worry about.


Ian... <*<




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 02:56:24 pm
So...last question of the day.


There's no way then that I can use a 2 channel pistol grip radio, is there? Just steering and throttle/brake?


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 03:07:23 pm

NO



As an addendham  (like that word)   the switch referred to is only applicable when you fit the MFU.  It slows the main motor down by reducing power.  When a truck is connected the main motor goes onto full power.

This will not affect you with only a cab running and you'll get full power on the motor.  You'd be surprised to see the wheels spinning in any gear on take off.    {-) {-)


Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 03:11:29 pm
Posh words for a Sunday afternoon!

Ok, got that Ken, thanks for the guidance..loads of practice coming up, methinks. This is going to be fun...more controls than a full static dive sub.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 03:14:52 pm

I have 19 separate commands available on mine with the MFU.  I wish one of them was  'get me outta here.  I hate reversing.


ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 03:17:38 pm
Reversing an artic isn't too bad, you should try backing up a dog n' pup...that's a black art!


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 03:23:26 pm

I've just bought the EuroTruck PC game and I can practice in quiet.

Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 03:27:51 pm
And that's cheating!


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 04:00:56 pm
Is there a r/c truck magazine, Ken...a sort of truck version of MMI?


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 02, 2014, 04:06:15 pm

I haven't seen one, only the Tamiya monthly which is almost impossible to find.

As you're addicted and we have you, may I suggest another model truck site.

http://scaletrucks.bb3host.com/viewforum.php?f=4

                                  {-)

Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 04:12:19 pm
Thanks Ken...looks like another site I'll be joining.

See you over there...  ;)

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 04:44:40 pm
Registered, just awaiting my activation email.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: 6705russell on March 02, 2014, 05:45:54 pm
Another good site is  www.rc-trucking.com (http://www.rc-trucking.com)


There is a good meeting this weekend at Leyland truck club.....
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2014, 06:11:06 pm
Hello Russ,

Leyland...bit of a long walk for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 03, 2014, 10:03:43 am
This is exactly the look I want to achieve with my truck...nice and simple, clean lines, and should be a reasonably easy modification to do.


I'm also advised to install the leaf springs upside down to lower the cab...does that sound about right?


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 03, 2014, 11:48:58 am
Nice looking truck, I remember well being behind the wheel of one of those older Merc's, Didn't quite look as good as that though  {:-{


I have heard of a few people doing that with the springs but never tried it my self. But one of the good things about these trucks, there's nothing stopping you trying it and then lower the cab over the chassis to see, if not then whip the springs back off and turning them over?
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 03, 2014, 12:08:10 pm
I drove one, a real antique thing it was, for JJ Adams (remember them?)...awful thing to drive. The gearbox had a mind of it's own, and the steering left an awful lot to be desired.


I guess that reverse spring idea is worth a try, like you say, if it doesn't work out, then I can always put things back to normal.


You'll have to bring your truck over sometime Ian, I've never seen one in the flesh yet.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 03, 2014, 01:10:26 pm
i think that cab has been lowered too , loking at the race specs online last night its got the wrong style of mirrors fitted , they need to be standard truck mirrors ! as forthe driving of the full sized versions ,i used to drive an old D plate 814 fitted with a beaver tail body all over the uk collecting and delivering jaguar xj40s , it never let me down once and was always a comfortable old ride , which was more than could be said for a leyland roadrunner ! jon
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 08:30:21 am
Ian...which bearing set do I need to order, rubber shielded or metal shielded?

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 10:05:58 am
Following advice from Allan Shiletto via Facebook, I've ordered the metal faced ones.




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 04, 2014, 12:51:04 pm
That's the ones Rich, sorry I didn't answer quicker, I had to take the car for it's dreaded MOT, just to be told this will now cost you £240 to get a new ticket  :((


And to top it off I cant have it back until tomorrow as they don't have the right size tyre in stock  <*<


But anyway yes it's the metal faced ones I fitted, as it really only runs on dry tarmac.
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 01:08:42 pm
Bad news about the car mate...I used to hate MOT time. That's why I like Motability... :-))


Bearings ordered and in the post, so I'm told...now all I need is the kit.  <:(




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 08:56:29 pm
Thinking out loud here...if it's possible to do away with the 3 speed gearbox on the Merc 1838 and drive the rear axle direct? Judging by the picture it should be possible...or is it?

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 04, 2014, 09:33:56 pm

I don't think so as the motor speed would be too much.  There are other reduced transmissions but I'm not familiar with them.

Best advice is to ask on the truck clubs.

Cheers

ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: black magic racing on March 04, 2014, 09:36:59 pm
hi all.seen this ,is it a good buy?
http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/truck-and-trailer/1050672038#photo-content
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 09:43:36 pm
Ok, thanks Ken.

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 04, 2014, 10:21:45 pm
hi all.seen this ,is it a good buy?
http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/truck-and-trailer/1050672038#photo-content (http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/truck-and-trailer/1050672038#photo-content)


If it doesn't say Tamiya,  then it's probably not.         %) %) %)


Ken

Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2014, 10:25:01 pm
Yep!
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 05, 2014, 08:10:54 am
Rich any things possible, but agree with Ken, I think the motor would be to much.
It would go off like a rocket once and IF you could get some grip at those rear wheels. and then I think it could become uncontrollable, and would end up on it's roof at the first bend? (well it would if it was me at the controls  {-) )


So when are you likely to see this nice new Merc on your doorstep then?


Looking at that one on Gumtree again as Ken said it doesn't say Tamiya, but when you make the second pic larger the workings do look like a Tamiya one? perhaps give the guy a call and ask?
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: black magic racing on March 05, 2014, 08:15:56 am
thanks alot have messaged him to see if its made by tamiya,always fancied one and have been watching this thread with interest :-))
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 08:28:00 am
Ian...I'd like to think it would be here today, fingers crossed. Apparently Tamiya cocked up with their order, and me changing my order from the Volvo to the Merc didn't help either. I'm waiting on a phone call later this morning...


Kurt...it's addictive, this truck business. I've spent a months worth of pension and I haven't even got mine yet!


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 05, 2014, 08:55:27 am
Kurt...it's addictive, this truck business. I've spent a months worth of pension and I haven't even got mine yet!


Rich


Be thankful your building a race truck and not wanting a tipper trailer then  {-)


http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/carson-114-rc-3-axle-tipper-trailer-model-kit/
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 08:58:07 am
How much? Gawd, that's frightening! And I thought submarines were expensive!


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 09:57:21 am
Well, the bearing kit I ordered has just arrived. Now, if I only had the truck kit to put the bearings in..   <:(




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 05, 2014, 10:26:31 am

A tipper truck you say  ...............................

I built my own,     here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miU5Y6xJdeM&list=UUG5Luksc1sDz6ZJ_mnhMcyw

ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 10:38:13 am
Now that's nice, Ken...I do like that.




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 05, 2014, 10:53:25 am

Thank you Rich. I love scratch building.  It keeps me occupied.     {-)

Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 11:04:58 am
Get this first truck done, then I might contemplate having a go at building a sweeper...


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 11:21:17 am
Interesting piece of footage here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVzDr_Ntr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVzDr_Ntr8)





Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 05, 2014, 11:34:41 am

That's my local club.     :}

Brilliant it is.


Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 11:50:11 am
It looks good...I wonder if I could persuade the 'lady friend' that she'd love a weekend out?  %)




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: black magic racing on March 05, 2014, 12:26:05 pm
they all just look so great :-))
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: black magic racing on March 05, 2014, 12:28:35 pm
[quote author=U-33 link=topic=38582.msg472202#msg472202 date=1394008080


Kurt...it's addictive, this truck business. I've spent a months worth of pension and I haven't even got mine yet!


Rich
i bet they are,its like most things really with me it ic race boats ,1/5 scale ic off road, but i must admit building one of these trucks would be something different,seen some of the race ones ,now thats right up my streetregards kurt
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 12:41:50 pm
Well...there's good news and there's bad news. Just had the phone call...no signs of the Merc 1838, and no restock dates from Tamiya in the near future.   >>:-(


That's the bad news...the good news is: I will have the Scania R620 6x4 Highline on my build desk by 1200hrs tomorrow. And at the same price as the Merc, so I can't really complain at that.   ;)


Obviously, plan A (the race truck) is on hold for sometime, so it's a case of thinking what to build the Scania as...a low loader maybe? All flashing lights and beacons, with an oversize load on? Or maybe an Army version with a tank on the trailer? The choices are endless, I guess...


The drawing board beckons...




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 05, 2014, 01:27:35 pm
A tipper truck you say  ...............................

I built my own,     here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miU5Y6xJdeM&list=UUG5Luksc1sDz6ZJ_mnhMcyw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miU5Y6xJdeM&list=UUG5Luksc1sDz6ZJ_mnhMcyw)

ken


I did the same and built my own too, I wasn't going to pay that for the Carson one, well to be honest I don't think I'd get away with it from the other half.
Mine didn't quite turn out as good looking as yours though Ken.


so you've gone from Volvo to Merc to Scania and you've not even seen one in the flesh yet  {-) {-)
That's the same as the one I have, you will need to do the steering mod on her as being 6x4 the turning circle is a bit on the wide side.


If you was to go for a low loader I have one of these here....


http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/hobby-engine-excavator/?gclid=CO7R2KW_-7wCFQcTwwodAbMALA


That would look good on the back......
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 01:53:20 pm
Yep, at first I was somewhat miffed, then realised that I was getting a good deal, so I took it. I still have the Merc on order, as and when it comes, could be ages I'm told.


Now I've got to order another set of bearings...grr.  <:(


I'm thinking of having this one sprayed in Pickfords colours, I had twelve years with them, including a spell on Heavy Haulage, so that's an option. I also have a 1/15th scale X craft sub...that would make a nice load, I think.  %)




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 05, 2014, 02:02:47 pm

Just had a letter from Customs and Excise.  Mines in the country.

If I care to pay them import duty of £22 they will send it to me via Parcelfarce.

Hey Ho, when will the expenses ever end.    %)

Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 02:09:39 pm
Good thing you've got plenty of money, Ken... %)




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 05, 2014, 02:10:57 pm
I guess that's always the risk when ordering from over sea's, as long as it still works out a bit cheaper then it's not to bad.


Rich before you go ordering another set of bearings I have 4 new ones here you can have, I think you only need a couple extra from your set because of the third axle?


Perhaps Ken can confirm this?
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 05, 2014, 02:30:04 pm

Each Truck does have a matched set of it's own bearings.

The extra ones you have would work in the axles Ok if there are any missing.

Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 02:42:41 pm
Thanks Ian/Ken, but I'm doing nothing until I have the box opened on my build desk tomorrow...I have this horrible feeling that fate hasn't quite finished with me yet. When the kit is sat on my bench and I've opened the box, then I can be sure of what truck I actually have.


As they say in all the best places....''watch this space''




Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2014, 03:42:09 pm
Stand by your beds...


''Your Wonderland Toys order is due for delivery on Thursday 6th March by Interlink Express. Please ensure that someone is available to sign for your delivery.''
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 09:03:32 am
A rather large box has just arrived...  ;)



Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 09:05:59 am
And what's in the box? Well, not what I expected...not a Merc...not a Scania...but a Volvo. My original order has sort of resurfaced somehow...but not to worry, I'm pleased.



Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 06, 2014, 09:43:49 am
That has made me laugh, so are we now back to the race idea?  {-) {-) {-) {-)


I bet you can't wait to get in that box and started.
It does seem Wonderland models have the right name, you pays your money then sit back and wonder what's coming  :-)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 09:59:49 am
I did open the box briefly...thought ''oh my gawd, there's a lot of stuff in there'', and shut the box again! Once the medication has kicked in, I'll open it again and see what's what in there.


I think I may build it as it is supposed to be, maybe look for an aftermarket race cab later when I've got the hang of driving it. It's quite a thing, I was surprised at what you get in the box.


I do fancy this though...see pic. It would bring back memories...  <:(





Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 06, 2014, 12:40:38 pm
looks like its a sweeper build then rich ? leave off the airfoil on the cab roof and those from the cad sides , theres the cab sorted , omit the chassis skirts and brackets , along with the fifth wheel , and your almost there ! ive a 7 3/4 inch long peice of 6" diameter stainless steel tube here which would make the tank ?  jon
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 01:55:35 pm
I think the chassis would be too short for a sweeper, Jon... <:(


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 06, 2014, 03:58:14 pm
I think the chassis would be too short for a sweeper, Jon... <:(


Rich


Extend the chassis rails? Buy a pair of longer chassis rails? or if all else fails.......


Buy my 6x4 off me and you have an instant longer chassis, just swap the cabs over  :P


Have we talked you into it yet?
 {-)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 04:35:17 pm
I have a cunning plan...
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 06, 2014, 06:40:09 pm
I have a cunning plan...


(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/Essex2Visuvesi/03CD42A9-2647-42BC-8821-40370D71F4A0.jpg) (http://s532.photobucket.com/user/Essex2Visuvesi/media/03CD42A9-2647-42BC-8821-40370D71F4A0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2014, 06:59:37 pm
Something along those lines, yes...

Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 09, 2014, 01:07:54 pm
Almost completed page 6...it's slowly starting to make sense.


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: IanPal on March 10, 2014, 08:42:52 am
I thought you had gone a bit quiet  {-)


any pic's yet?


Ian
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 10, 2014, 09:20:06 am
Morning Ian...


One of the guys on the Tamiya Facebook page has sort of taken me under his wing, so to speak...I've been posting pics on there, and he's been checking on what I've done every step of the way. So far, only one minor hiccup...I'd put two nuts on a chassis crossmember the wrong way round. Apart from that...all is good, and I'm enjoying every second of building this.


Here we go then...pics of the progress so far:


Rich
Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 10, 2014, 10:12:20 am

Looking good Rich.

Little tip for you.  Leave the rear mudguards until as late as possible because it's possible to break the mounting brackets during the construction process.  Ask me how I know.   %)

When you get to the gearbox construction, the drawings for the gear train are reversed and will cause confusion.  There are three sketches and the middle one shows the gear train viewed from the other side.  (flipped over, as it were)

Cheers
for now

Ken


Title: Re: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 10, 2014, 10:29:51 am
Thanks for the tips, Ken...I'll bear that in mind, the last thing I want to do is to break anything. I'll not dare ask how you discovered that...


Tea break over..back to page seven.


Rich

Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 10, 2014, 12:46:28 pm
are you painting the chassis before you fit mudgaurds and cab ?  i built up mine as a rolling chassis and then sprayed it without the wheels fitted , so at least the servos blend into the rest of the chassis etc !

Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: RMH on March 10, 2014, 02:27:33 pm
I really wish I hadn't started reading this thread.
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 10, 2014, 03:15:09 pm
I really wish I hadn't started reading this thread.


Why? Did I do something wrong?


Rich
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: RMH on March 10, 2014, 04:04:36 pm
I'm tempted to get one myself now. I quite like the King Hauler but I know I can't really justify the expense
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 10, 2014, 04:39:15 pm
Fair enough, I thought I'd said something wrong. I'm enjoying every second of building mine, even now looking at an aftermarket cab so as I can have a standard version and a race version both sharing the same chassis.

As Ken said earlier...they do get addictive.

Rich
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 10, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
I'm tempted to do another as well, I the king hauler a few years back.

Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: furball on March 10, 2014, 08:01:28 pm
You could always do this with it...


http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/rc_steam_hauler/ (http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/rc_steam_hauler/)


Lance


(well, it's different  :D )
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 10, 2014, 08:18:01 pm
Umm..yep, it's different alright! Ingenious and clever...and different..


Rich
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2014, 09:16:24 am
No progress at all yesterday due to complete non cooperation between fingers and brain...


Today's job is this:



Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on March 12, 2014, 09:36:01 am

You wouldn't believe how expensive it is to buy these parts separately.

                                   {-)       {-)       {-)

Ken

Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2014, 09:52:49 am
I can think of only one reply to that, Ken...I am so glad that I'm not married. I was looking at things like the mcu and a trailer last night...if I wasn't divorced, I very soon would be!


Rich
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2014, 12:04:44 pm
This mornings progress...slowly but surely getting there.



Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: triumphjon on March 12, 2014, 01:47:41 pm
its not that bad Rich , my gf supports my hobby , ive now got one tractor unit and two trailers , im part way through a sliding axle recovery / low loader trailer at present !
Title: Re: Tamiya Race Truck project
Post by: essex2visuvesi on March 12, 2014, 07:56:27 pm
Don't buy the "upgraded" shocks from tamiya..... they are worse than the kit ones