Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: Southern Sailor on April 11, 2014, 07:39:26 pm
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Good day all. I am upgrading to a new PC. Present OS is Windows XP. The OS of the new machine will be Windows 8. Two questions: 1) Can I simply copy the Ship Sim (and other simulators) across to the new machine? The ShipSim 2008 has been upgraded to the latest (I think) version. Version 1.4.2; Build 1038. 2) Will ShipSim 2008 run on Windows 8? I would be grateful to get some advice and help on this. Cheers for now. Brian
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Brian,
First of all I would ditch win 8 and go for win 7, I presume in saying that you are purchasing a ready built machine and not building your own. Not sure if this applies to SA but here in the UK we can, or used to be able to, specify which OS we wanted on the new machine if bought from a supplier, though they will say it can't be done but stand your ground and insist on it.
You may have problems with software that works well on XP but is not compatible with anything beyond that i.e. vista, win 7. win 8. I don't know this software, so the only thing you can really do is to install it and see what happens. However, I would be inclined to obtain a later edition of the software that you know works with the OS you chose.
I've been involved with this kind of upgrade if you can call it that, for the last three months in various areas and it is causing no end of problems.
LB
P.S I've just looked on their site and it says it will run on XP and Vista, it might but only might run on 7 or 8 but I would contact them to find out.
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It should be OK, but might need loading under "compatibility mode".
A friend recently trod the same path. Some of the programs he likes started life running under windows95, but work just fine. He was deeply unhappy with the toytown desktop screen and installed a "proper" desktop where he could have the start button and his own wallpaper instead of the garish mess. It also needed some of the provided "apps" forcibly removing, as they insisted on joining in with little or no option.
When I moved on to Win7, one or two old but really useful programs wouldn't even recognize the system.
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Brian,
First of all I would ditch win 8 and go for win 7, I presume in saying that you are purchasing a ready built machine and not building your own. Not sure if this applies to SA but here in the UK we can, or used to be able to, specify which OS we wanted on the new machine if bought from a supplier, though they will say it can't be done but stand your ground and insist on it.
You may have problems with software that works well on XP but is not compatible with anything beyond that i.e. vista, win 7. win 8. I don't know this software, so the only thing you can really do is to install it and see what happens. However, I would be inclined to obtain a later edition of the software that you know works with the OS you chose.
I've been involved with this kind of upgrade if you can call it that, for the last three months in various areas and it is causing no end of problems.
LB
P.S I've just looked on their site and it says it will run on XP and Vista, it might but only might run on 7 or 8 but I would contact them to find out.
Had No Issues at all with 8.1 :-))
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I have just treat myself to a new desktop. I debated with myself for a long time whether to stick with Win 7 or go for Win 8.1. They are both the same price from Dell so I went for Win 8.1.
I have now, just yesterday, updated 8.1 to Win 8.1 Update 1 which makes a major difference. You can now ignore the screen designed for touch screens, and more or less everything works as it did in Win 7. I had only one programme that wouldn't work, as the compatibility checker said it wouldn't. That was an old (2000?) version of MS Access. Not really a problem as we still have a Win 7 laptop.
Barrie
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Hi,
Good to see another 'ship sim-mer'! Yes, I have windows 8.1 (started off as windows 8, but got the free upgrade) and ship sim 2008 and ship sim Extremes work on both 8 and 8.1, personally I don't think Windows 8.1 is as bad as some think. Mind you it is a little complex sometimes but I am 17 so it is a little easier for me. It does have some very useful features. But anyway, Ship sim will work providing the PC meets its minimum specs. (note Vista, Win. 7 and Win. 8/8.1 generally need an extra Gb of RAM over XP) I have found that if a program can run on Windows 7 it will generally run on Windows 8.
Hopes this helps
Edit - I have successfully run UK Truck Sim, Euro truck Sim, Demolition Sim, Sims 3, Tanker Truck Sim and Farming Sim on Window 8.1 as well as the ship sims
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Oh the advantages of youth! Imagine combining them with our experience - what a team! But getting back to the subject, this is why I like this forum so much - post a query and there are always those, more knowledgeable than I, who are willing to share their expertise. Problem is that you find there are often more than one solution to the problem and you have to decide which to follow. Actually the question was whether or not to copy the upgraded programmes as they exist on my computer or do I have to load the original CD on the new computer and then again upgrade the game. Any suggestions me3?
By the way ShipSim 8 is quite a good simulator and is good practice for those difficult steering competitions! The Voith Schneider controls are still a problem for me. I have had good advice but do you have any suggestions me3
Cheers for now. Brian
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/windows-easy-transfer
I've just used this to do migrate my father in law onto a new machine
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I've just used this to do migrate my father in law onto a new machine.
Any relation to Tron?
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If you can get Win 7 there is an 'XP compatibility mode' see here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-windows-vista-compatibility-mode/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-windows-vista-compatibility-mode/)
It looks like this also in Win 8, see here http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-run-older-programs-under-windows-8.html (http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-run-older-programs-under-windows-8.html)
This will allow you to run old xp software on Win 7 and possibly 8.
BTW, this week MS has ceased support for XP, not that this will really be a problem for most people running XP
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Hi, again,
Not sure, the posts above this one have better suggestions than I could offer, when my father and I bought our new PC's we copied the documents onto a memory stick and re-installed the games using the CD. That was easier for me and possibly cheaper, but the suggestions above seem better :) If you go for Windows 8, I would be careful using the 'free' upgrade to Windows 8.1. I am not sure these issues were exclusive to me, but I lost lots and lots of drivers that were hard to find, ie. Disc Driver, Bluetooth Driver ect. I have not upgraded my dads laptop to 8.1 because of this, I only did it because some plonker gave me a virus that took out Windows Security Centre (the 'metropolitan police virus'). If you go straight for 8.1 or 8 it will be ok :)
+ How many Gigs of RAM does you PC have?
Reece
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me3 - Reece, Help! I have now upgraded the new PC to Windows 8.1 (free upgrade) and loaded Flight Sim X on to it from the CD (twice) but Flight Sim keeps on bombing out. Seems as though it did not load properly when opening it from the Start screen it "completes the installation" and then freezes. The PC has 4Gigs of RAM. Any tips? Brian
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Hi,
If you find the applications don't work on 8.1. you got install windows virtual pc (free from m/s website) and then install windows xp on the virtual pc. works a treat on old programs that don't like modern windows.
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Hi Brian. I have just looked at the specs for flight sim. It is not compatible with 32-bit 8.1 It appears, I would be surprised if you have 32-bit but it is worth checking. See how to check here http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M6h0DqZW9-E (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M6h0DqZW9-E)
I would look into what Timgarrod suggested if it is 32-bit
Did ship sim work for you okay?
Hope this helps. Reece
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Reece, I have a 64 bit system. Ship Sim downloaded and took the key ok, but I am not able to find New Horizons download for 2008. The other updates for 2008 show on their website but not New Horizons. Timgarrod regarding partioning the computer, I am not really at that level of competence for such antics. Brian
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Don't know zilch, but was advised if you load virtual XP you have all the vulnerabilities of XP so you may as well stay with XP?????????????????????????
Which I have.
Also Windows 8 will not install on some PCs including those already running windows 7.
Microsoft has stopped supporting some types of chips meaning all PCs fitted with those chips are bin jobs when comes time to replace operating system with 8 and above.
Just love the simplicity of computers
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I am not too sure what to suggest, can you take a picture or screen shot of what happens when you try to load flight simulator? Reece
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If you use virtual box you can set your virtual Xp machine to be sand boxed, so it has no contact with the outside world.
I have been working with virtual machines for quite some time and will be happy to create one to your requirements.
I can even create one with your old serial number so it's 100% legit :-)
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I still have a laptop that runs win 98, which is soon to come in handy.
Grendel
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Pooter disaster last week has proved more of a challenge than expected, despite my being fairly PC savvy having been brought up on UNIX, Fortran, Assembler and Visual Basic. The old XP box failed to start after its annual clean and hoover out. All efforts failed to revive the trusty XP so I was obliged to buy a new PC, with Windows 8.1.
After transferring my Norton’s 360 account and restoring the backed up data it should have been fairly straightforward, or so I thought. Wrong ! In re-establishing essential drivers and utilities I picked up several malware attacks which anti-virus ignored. Lengthy discussions with Norton fruitless. Several days spent on this issue. Unlike XP you can’t just identify, go to Control Panel and uninstall. They refuse to either uninstall or be deleted.
Next I found that a high proportion of software I paid a fortune for some time ago would not install on 8.1, most annoying of which was MS Office Professional. So I had to re-buy many of my key s/ware tools, including the new annual subscription to Office. I am now looking for ways to rebuild my iTunes library, only part of which came back with the backup restore.
At least 8.1 is a significant improvement on Windows 7, but IMHO nowhere near as usable or reliable as XP. If Microsoft really want people to migrate they could easily have made it a lot easier and less fraught with hidden minefields.
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Bob,
Wouldnt it be cheaper to buy Windows 7.
Bob
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Bob: Having to buy new hardware means you are more or less committed to 8.1. I know there is an XP compatibility mode in Windows 7 but it only works for some software, whilst leaving you open to potential vulnerabilities as XP is no longer unsupported. Any way, in my situation a total rebuild became inevitable, causing most of the continuing issues. My point is that such a rebuild, using legal purchased s/ware, should be a lot easier than it is.
My other issue is with anti-virus s/ware which only protect against 'viruses', but seem frightened to block malware and adware as these "do not harm or damage your computer" (just intensely annoying and disruptive.) It seems firms are in fear of being sued if they block specific malware.
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My other issue is with anti-virus s/ware which only protect against 'viruses', but seem frightened to block malware and adware as these "do not harm or damage your computer" (just intensely annoying and disruptive.) It seems firms are in fear of being sued if they block specific malware.
adwcleaner - http://adwcleaner.en.uptodown.com/ - does most of the job in an admirably simple way as a one-shot scan and kill.
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.org/products/ - does much of the rest that the regular programs can't or won't reach.
As to MS Office, unless there was something that only it could do, I would migrate to LibreOffice, at a cost of free.
And yes, legal, purchased software should be migratable. Trouble is, "they" don't sell software, only the right for you to use it, and a new operating system is a glorious opportunity to sell you the right to use it on another system.
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adwcleaner - http://adwcleaner.en.uptodown.com/ (http://adwcleaner.en.uptodown.com/) - does most of the job in an admirably simple way as a one-shot scan and kill.
malwarebytes - https://www.malwarebytes.org/products/ (https://www.malwarebytes.org/products/) - does much of the rest that the regular programs can't or won't reach.
As to MS Office, unless there was something that only it could do, I would migrate to LibreOffice, at a cost of free.
And yes, legal, purchased software should be migratable. Trouble is, "they" don't sell software, only the right for you to use it, and a new operating system is a glorious opportunity to sell you the right to use it on another system.
Yes, That is what I have noted software is no longer sold >>:-( >>:-( but you obtain a licence for it meaning you can't move it from PC to PC. All to do with making money
Having "played' with 7 am sticking to XP until it sinks.
Microsoft could have kept XP going and charged a yearly 'licence' for support dumb dumb
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Hullo Bob.......
Did your new computer have a 30 day free trial of another anti virus/spyware/malware installed?..........if so did you delete it prior to installing your Norton 360? ....Norton 'Antivirus' and Norton '360' are not the same product
One of the more frustrating results after installing Office 2010 on a new PC was that a Word .doc or an Excel .xls were automatically filed as .docx and .xlsx ....great >>:-( but in 2012 even Australian Government Departments were unable to open the files with the x suffix as they were still using Office 2003
There was a simple fix of course <*< .......create a command template that saved all future Word communications as a 2003 .doc file & same with Excel............. Derek
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No need to do that, you can just edit the registry to set the default file type to whichever you choose.
For home use I gave up with windows some time ago, I now use a mac with a virtualised windows environment.