Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: smudger1309 on May 03, 2014, 11:44:57 pm
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hi all
i got a 1:12th scale Mersey lifeboat, and it is the model of my local boat at rhyl so i took the boat down to show the crew who fell in love with it, but the crew spotted that there was no anchors on the boat but said thats only thing missing part from the two lights at front of the cabin otherwise they said what was on the real lil cunningham (12-24) was on the model. could any one help me find the right anchors and lights, also my Mersey has the house flag on, what is the size for the red rnli ensign and the the welsh flag as they all diffrent sizes to the house flag that i found out when i brought some for my Severn and arun.
thank you
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Hi I have several photos of the anchor and light with a ruler in them so I could see what size to make mine, I can email you the photos or measure the ones on mine.
John
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Just saying 1/12 scale anchors can be brought from Metcalf mouldings or models by design, now as for the flags scale flags and ensign in Grantham can supply your flags his details are on the "coalville model boat show" hope this helps
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Thank you for the replys
I give model slipway n metcalf a ring tomorrow
with the flags I just phone him up tell him the scale and he sort me out
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Hi I have several photos of the anchor and light with a ruler in them so I could see what size to make mine, I can email you the photos or measure the ones on mine.
John
hi john
Yeah please I like the measurements and could I have the photos to
Garreth
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Just say to mike what you want and what flags required (he will know) and he will supply them. They are hand painted on silk NOT printed, every flag he does is done by hand not machine
Martin
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Hi Garreth, you can only get the old style anchors from Model Slipway, not the type you require? I am not sure about Metcalf Mouldings but I have not asked him about them as again I only got the old style from him?
Regards Graham
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Hi Graham,
If am right i think I got one from a model shop on e-bay think he was called amc and in Norfolk or norage god my spellings crap.
Regards Howard
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Anglia Model Centre.
Good shop.
Got a great deal on a Spektrum DX6i from there.
Ned
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hi
are theses plough anchors for sale anywhere who do they need to be made ?
Garreth
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as for the flags
didn't know Barry did them i knew some other place made them that can only be brought from a model shop like Cotton or something like that
Garreth
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Garreth,
the one sold by amc,
just looked and there 50mmx14mm if thats any good to you.
Regards Howard.
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im not sure thats over my head, all i know its a 1:12 scale Mersey by models by design and as to be as light as you can
Garreth
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Hi mate, when I was looking for an anchor at 1/12 the only place I found was model slipway but these are white metal.........don't know if they are the same as what your looking for.
Regards Dave
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hi Dave
i think they called a plough anchor a some one in this thread mentioned the name, but even if it is white metal as long as it same as in the photos above
Garreth
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Hi Garreth. I have looked at Anglia Model Centre on-line shop and I think (I might be wrong) this might be the nearest you could buy? The description is "One White Metal Q.C.R. Anchor x 1. SIZE: 12 mm W 50 mm L. Pt. No. 59"
Graham
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thanks graham :-))
Garreth
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CQR actually
aka Secure.
Aka Plough.
Ned
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Do not know if my facts are correct. From information off the internet RNLI Delta Plow anchor weighs 22 KG.
In the diagram the dimensions are for a 25 KG anchor because I coud not find a 22 KG with dimensions.
Try making one out of card the one I made looked about scale.
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If you are still trying for your anchors try "speedline models" as they are the same one`s that are on the 1/12 tamar he does
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will give Adrian a ring see what he can do,
thank you
Garreth
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Hi Smudger,
The RNLI use Lewmar "Delta" anchors.
Here is Lewmar's UK website, including CAD drawings for the anchors:- http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8743&type=3&channel=1
The RNLI use both the blue labelled ones (here pictured in RNLI stores) or the red label "fast set" ones, which are pretty much the same.
The last photo is the Delta on my Tamar from Adrian at Speedline.
Chris
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Hi, You may end up making them, if you have to use thin zinc sheet, solders well and you have the perfect galvanised finish. Nemesis
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yeah they type on my Tamar as well,
theres one thing i cant do that is make them lol
if the Tamar ones arnt the right ones on the Mersey then i will leave them off, i wouldn't of noticed it tbh but the rhyl lifeboat crew did <*< lol {-)
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you have a pm .
Regards Howard.
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thank you Howard very much :-))
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The her night smudger set me a challenge when he asked me if I could help him make a Delta plough.............and so with plasticard in hand tonight I set about making one so that I could mould it in resin.....it might be a little thicker in gauge than the Speedline brass etched ones but with a little sanding and filling before they are moulded and then sanded again once cast in resin, then they shouldn't be too bad.......and besides I need a couple for my own Mersey when I eventually get around to building it. lol
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very nice job. :-))
ken
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cheers Ken.
just been down to St Annes lifeboat station to get a few final details.....will make additions later. neil.
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:-)) I can see why I never got around to fitting them on my Severn. :}
ken
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oh nice, looking good neil :-))
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:-)) I can see why I never got around to fitting them on my Severn. :}
ken
diddnt know the severn had the plough anchors, they now the norm on rnli boats ?
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I only had a picture to go by. %)
ken
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Have only ever seen them from photos too ken....and the little plan printed on a previous post.
making them to cast in resin I have had to thicken the walls of the anchor and bracket, but once cast these can be sanded down to thin the plating out considerably and make them look a little more decent......they'll never be Speedline quality or thin gauge but from 20 meters out on the lake, they'll satisfy those that can't afford a full sheet of etched brass.
also paid another visit to the boat house at St Annes to take some shots of it from underside to get the sole of the anchor and where the strengthening bar shown on the plan fits.
so now finished and ready for moulding in rubber.
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and if anyone has missed my blogs on moulding and mould making in the past on my lifeboats....here's how I do it.
1) make a box from lego.
2) line the bottom of the box with modelmakers plastecine to a deapth of around 8mm thickness.
3) place the pieces to be moulded onto the plastecine and with a little pressure.....press the master into the plastecine and smooth around the perimeter edges to make sure there are no gaps between the master and the edge of platecine which would allow weepage of the rubber mix under the master.
4) block up any ends with a wodge of plastecine so as to isolate the underside.
now you have a half mould where the rubber can't get underneath the master at any point.
5)put a pencil or end of craft knife into the plastecine....these indentations act as locating lugs for the two haves of the rubber mould.......what will appear as indents now will result in nodules of rubber sticking up from the first half.
6) then build up the walls higher than the highest part of the mould masters.
then its just a case of pouring in the first half of the rubber mould..............this will be done tomorrow.
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mould half came out ok except for a little "bleed" under one "foot" of the holding bracket.............this was cut off and then the whole surface covered with Vaseline as a release agent between the two layers of rubber.......the second layer has now been poured into the mould box and will hopefully be cured later.........
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wow Neil liking it
yeah speedline cost a bomb because you got to buy a full set of something they be useless to you unless you got the tamar, i do not care if they 20 or so 10 or so out from speedlines they look fantastic
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well matey.the mould is now finished........just got to cut some track lines for the resin to flow into and then buy some resin and cast a few.....they'll be with you soon.
neil.
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i only wish i could do stuff like that, tho thinking of getting airfix kit see how it comes out, knowing me i buy the lifeboat one and it turn out into some thing else lol
just wish i can make stuff like this
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it doesn't happen over night smudger...........I started building under my granddad's supervision at the age of 8 in 1959.............and have only ever had 1 hobby....this one............so have had plenty of practice, lol........and still I make mistakes..............so keep at it and kep reading this forum..............even at my grand old age, I'm still learning on here.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
Do you intend to sell these anchors - I need a couple for my Mersey - Dungeness Pride and Spirit.
Yours,
Alan C
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hi alan........if they cast ok then I'll send you a couple ..just make a donation to the Dungeness RNLI........unless you a helper at the station, and then I'll send them FOC
neil.
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Hi Neil,
Thanks for that - will do as you suggest.
The new boat (The Morrell) seems to be a superb bit of kit but there was something special about Pride and Spirit.
Will contact you direct.
Alan C
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thanks alan, and thanks for the offer,......much appreciated.
However, we have one just down the road, at St Annes on Sea which I was at the naming ceremony of some years back and have decided, when I get round to it, build her.
cheers all the same, neil. :-))
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the moulds cast ok..........just a little cleaning up of flash from the mouldings and I think they look passible.
before and after shots..........moulded in polyurethane resin.
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smudger, your anchors are ready for you now matey.....pm me your address and i'll put them in a jiffy bag and post em to you. neil.
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Neil,
You made an excellent job of them - most impressed.
Yours,
Alan C
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thanks alan............something different for a change other than classic old fittings. neil.
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Guys...... :o ...if I didn't know better......I would think they look like pieces of battered European Carp that Neil caught a few years back in our muddy Murray river
Naturally enough.......the fire & frypan in OZ consists of a few branches of Gum tree with a cut off 5 gallon drum of kangaroo, possum & pig fat as the dripping {-).....Derek
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not as tasty as barramundi though {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)