Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: Severn on May 25, 2014, 09:11:17 pm
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Ok hi there this is me first time in model boats basically I gained I 1/12 scale Severn boat from speedline models. I have not got the time to build this but I'm willing to pay someone to build this for me expect a professional finish I done some research on the kit I have and it's very expensive indeed. I looked through the box and there maybe some parts missing I.e I only have one 4 blade brass prop and shaft I'm sure 97% parts are there.however I'm willing to pay for anything that is missing. I have seen the finished models on the net and they look stunning with high detail finish. Going to extreme I would like a price on working wipers, lights , maybe smoke exhaust system and sound built in to. Many thanx if anyone can point me in the rite direction I want to give this model what it deserves as it has been sat in a garage for some years. The hull is complete fibreglass and the wheelhouse is there too. {:-{
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Severn, what do you expect to pay someone to build that for you......because a well built Severn with all the electric and electronic parts working plus materials you are looking on at least 800. 1000 hours to build properly and professionally plus all the materials and parts on top of your kit.
I know the kits personally as I have had all three 1:12 scale boats that Adrian has for sale, Severn, 2 x trents and a Tamar...........and never had the time to build any because of the length of time they take to build nicely and properly, and of other projects..........
Took me around 800 hours to build the last two sailing model lifeboats I built and around 1000 hours each for my three motor powered classic lifeboats ( that time was each.......not all together)..........and the Severn is a brute to build anyway..............that is why they are so dear.
I would think about your money before you start asking someone to construct it, because if they build one in less time, then they are not doing justice to it and skimping somewhere.
neil.
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A Professional static model in a case start about £7000-00.
Bob
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Hi Neil il take that into consideration just wanting a idea on a rough price.
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A Professional static model in a case start about £7000-00.
Bob
as bob says............most of us on here are modellers..............some with the potential to build to professional levels..............but have our own build projects lined up for some years to come............and as such if you want one of those builders to give up building their models to produce something for you......then you have to pay the going rate of a professional because you are taking them away from their hobby, producing something for them selves, and having to produce/build something for someone else.............I certainly wouldn't build a severn for someone else, with all the specifications that you want, for anything less than what Bob says.......and if anyone else does.........then good luck to them,
neil.
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To achieve the standard you appear to want is probably the best part of a twelve months work, the average wage now, so I believe, is around £25k per annum. Taking that into account a "proper professional" model builder, to make it a viable undertaking, will probably charge at least half as much again.
As Neil says if they were to come in at much under that I would be wondering just what their levels of building and business skills really are.
LB
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I reckon Krishna could turn that round in a week O0
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There a 1/16 scale Severn on ebay at the moment going for £685 I can't understand how it would cost me thousands to get it built surely some can help me out or other option is I attempt it myself with the help of my local boat club
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hi ya there Severn
The reason it will cost you so much for a member or anyone to build you a model is the standard which you require - also you are taking that person away from his own modelling to produce your model - its not that we are all wanting to make money from modelling - but all of us enjoy building and sailing. As has already been stated by Neil this model also takes a lot of man hours to get it to a reasonable standard.
What you need to understand is your standard of building may be totally different to someone else's standards. If the person who builds the model for you doesnt build it to your standards - what then?
On this forum we gladly give any help and information freely that is what this forum is mainly about and if you attempt the model yourself - you have the best people in the world on here. They have more knowledge than anyone.
They will freely guide you through any problems you may encounter.
aye
john
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There a 1/16 scale Severn on ebay at the moment going for £685 I can't understand how it would cost me thousands to get it built surely some can help me out or other option is I attempt it myself with the help of my local boat club
That is just the way of things, When a model is sold it never reaches its true value, Ie if you actually cost in to the build the Actual hour rate. It may be going for £700 but I bet in reality it is worth 3k + when time is considered
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Hi John Ok where do I start with this then I don't have any diagrams I only have breif descriptions where things go on the model I need plans for a severn and I can't say all the parts are there
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Hi ya Severn
Well, if it were me, I would begin a new thread entitled 'help required - building this ..... name of model and the maker'
list the parts you need - etc.
also, do a good search of this Forum cos no doubt someone - perhaps the lifeboat people will have built this kit - as personlly lifeboats and kits are a 'grey' area to me for my building skills.
aye
john
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There a 1/16 scale Severn on ebay at the moment going for £685 I can't understand how it would cost me thousands to get it built surely some can help me out or other option is I attempt it myself with the help of my local boat club
would you be prepared to work in your job that you either do now or have done in the past to work for 0.69p per hour, but then have to pay your employer £800.00p for every 1000 hours worked?????............................errrrrr NO!!!!........ BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE ASKING THAT POOR GEEZER TO DO FOR HIS £685 QUID......THE 1;16 scale KIT COSTS £800, THE TIME IS 1000 HOURS AND HE'S SELLING FOR LESS THAN THE KIT IS WORTH WITHOUT ALL HIS TIME......MAN HAS TO BE GA GA!!!
But you and others that want something building expect or want (is a better word) someone to leave the hobby they love to build something to a professional standard for you, for less than they have ( or you have in this case) paid for the thing in the first place....................SORRY BUT IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN LIKE THAT...............and sorry to be so blunt and rude, but I think you need to get a reality check!!!!
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as Bluebird says, we are always willing to help, but not to be insulted.
have a look at thess sites here...................or even on Speedlines site as there is ( I believe) a build of a severn on there.
http://www.philsrcmodels.co.uk/#!__my-severn
http://www.modellifeboats.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.speedlinemodels.com/
neil.
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Hi John Ok where do I start with this then I don't have any diagrams I only have breif descriptions where things go on the model I need plans for a severn and I can't say all the parts are there
you can obtain GA plans from RNLI at poole but they are in 1:20 scale.
you can ask members on here ( but many will have already been posted ) of photos of actual Severns.........I have some of Spirit of Guernsey I can email you, and I know Dave Forrester has published photo's of the Holyhead boat on here and you can ask Adrian Gosling at Speedline for any info on his severn kit ( how long it will take though is anyone's guess)............but as it is such a long build, you won't be in any rush anyway................put it this way, you won't be putting it on the lake this summer if you do it properly.
also join this web forum................there are guys on there who may be able to fix you up with a visit to a Severn near you for you to photograph.
http://lifeboats24-7.co.uk/forum/
neil.
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We all build boats/ships as a hobby and thus it is a labour of love, If you were building for someone else it becomes a "job" and with the best will in the world it would be approached with a different mind set,
The last Severn kit I saw with all bits included was around £1000, If you do not feel confident about building this kit and you just want a RC boat to sail, my advise would be to sell the kit before you start to build it and use the money to buy an ARTR. (almost ready to run) boat that just needs a few things to make it go, the Severn is quite a complex boat, if this is your first build you would really be jumping in the deep end, if you do however decide to build her this Forum is the place to be. :-)) Joe.
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Or wait till a completed one comes up on ebay or here.
But you will just have to accept the build standard.
One thing to be aware of is that model boats are very photogenic and a picture will always flatter the model.
Bob
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My wife's hobby is needlecraft and she happily spends 18 months on a project.
Two years ago an acquaintance asked her to complete a cross-stitch kit that would be a wedding present for her daughter. "Just keep a note of the hours it takes and I will pay you for your time".
It took 723 hours to complete and her payment was an expensive bottle of wine " I brought it back from France especially for you "
Never again
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Hi Severn
If you decide to build the model yourself you may find it something of a challenge as a first model boat build.
Obviously I have no idea what your skill level is but as a relative novice myself i would not attempt such a build without first gaining experience on a couple of less demanding builds in order to gain experience in techniques and a handle on how to work with the various materials and adhesives involved.
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I think because model makers enjoy there hobby so much there is a tendency to think you would enjoy making a model just as much for someone else, about 20 odd years ago I built a Hirobo RC helicopter, a work colleague wanted him and his teenage son to build one so bought a kit then realised neither of them had a clue how to do it, knowing I had built one, I was asked if I would like to build it for them, I thought who is doing who a favour here, there was no mention of remuneration apart from "there'll be a drink in it for you" and I didn't even drink, I declined his kind offer, politely of course. %)
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Ok then so if I was to build a small boat what would you people recommend as a good starting point?
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http://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/therange.html
I'd recommend either the River Queen, Sealight or Britannia.
LB
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Anything from Model Slipway
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Ok I looked on both sites I like the Aziz tug on slipway also the Al Khubar tug which might be easier than Aziz I have got some model experience but only on railways.I never worked with brass components before so what tools would I need to get these kits off to a good start sorry for being a pain in the rear 😁
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As a starter look on ebay for cheap tool sets such as pliers set, needle file set, Archimedes drill and small bits etc.
Find out what you use most then replace with high quality replacements.
Bob
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Ok bob what model would you recommend starting with?
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I only ever give 1 answer to this question.
Any model you really want to build.
To make a good job of of you must have a desire to build it.
As you are looking for a model for "building experience" do not expect it to be museum quality.
If I was in your position I would build the lifeboat you have.
BUT
Expect to take your time, get lots of advice (from here) and build it.
Any model is just a lot of little parts put together as a whole.
With time and effort I am sure you can make an acceptable model.
But the best feeling is - I MADE THAT.
Bob
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If you have been into model railways do you have a fair amount of tools already?
I also went from model railways to this boat building lark, and started off with a Slipway Vliestroom, very very nice model.
I'm now onto my second but have also acquired a few submarines, these are a total different ball game altogether, that's why I bought another service craft, just to cut my teeth on first before diving into the subs (excuse the pun).
Back to the tools, the main thing I have found is patience and take your time, read the instruction books and plans a few times before cutting/filling/glueing anything.
Ian
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I agree with Bob, give it a go, just take your time.
As he said there is no better feeling than the.... I made that, then the dreaded feeling of oh **** why has it stopped when it's half way out in the lake {-)
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I agree with Bob, give it a go, just take your time.
As he said there is no better feeling than the.... I made that, then the dreaded feeling of oh **** why has it stopped when it's half way out in the lake {-) [size=78%] [/size]
I would agree if it were a Metcalf Mouldings lifeboat kit, .....but the brass work ( all etched and in very thin gauge brass) is very very suceptable to melting if the utmost care isn't taken when either soft or silver soldering, and if someone has no or little experience with that medium........then disaster can strike very quickly and horribly......and as 75% of the fittings kit on these models IS brass that needs to be soldered for rigidity......that's an awful lot of mess to be "learning about".....all in favour of learning by mistakes...........but not at the cost of these models............ <:( <:( <:(
and some will say.........ahh yes but you can glue the brass......................well yes, you can but I have seen those glued together along side those soldered..........and glue, especially cyano.....tends to come apart rather more quickly than soldered joints especially with a little rough handling down the lake..................and then you have a very mediocre and tired looking model very quickly. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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My cordless Dremel is my favourite tool it dose a multitude of tasks, if you do decide to build a more simple boat first, just take your time and look around till you find something that suits you, most modellers have build a lot of boats each one harder than the last, it just takes time, try looking at www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk they have a large selection to kits to suit all skill levels plus tools, radio gear, materials, the lot, :-)) :-)) .Joe
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Severn
The first thing to do is to sell that kit and see what you have in the pot to spend on a more suitable one. It will go pretty quickly.
Al Khubar was mentioned and I think that would be an excellent choice (although I'm a bit biased). It's a simple build with not much complicated detail but still enough to make it interesting and a little challenging. It also sails very well.
If you have a good crawl all over the Model Slipway website you'll find Lawrie's Hints and Tips pages which are very much worth looking at. There's a suggested radio installation here http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/Slipway%20Dutch%20Courage.pdf (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/Slipway%20Dutch%20Courage.pdf) although I'd now suggest using Component Shop's 555 or 775 motors without gearboxes (easier to operate and much quieter). You needn't fit the working bow thruster if you don't want to.
As has been said by numerous folk there's a lot of knowledge and goodwill on this forum, but I've seen a few folk who wanted super-dooper models for little outlay on their part in time and effort being gradually ignored. I've always believed that you will only get out of a hobby as much as you are prepared to put in - and I personally wouldn't build a model for anyone else except maybe one of my grand-kids.
Good luck, whatever you decide.
Dave M
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where are you from, by the way Severn.........it would help to know and then those near to you can recommend a good club to join.
neil.
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There you go Severn, different answers to the same question.
Slipway do a Severn but again I have heard not for the first time builder.
If you want to build another as Dave has said sell the kit and buy another that takes your fancy.
If not build yours.
Bob
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Hi ya there Severn
By its a long time since I have seen so many replies on a topic like this so quickly - talk about rattling apple trees and knocking the apples out from the branches :-)
All meant in good fun.
May I ask a couple of questions - when you say you gained the lifeboat kit - was it given to you or did you purchase it for yourself. Just wondering if you are looking to come into model boats hobby or have you been given the kit and want to try building it.
with no real interest in model boats???
The reason I am asking this is something I was pondering over earlier on - because I note that you are into model railways hobby and like model railways you can also (dare I say) as BY would say - scratch build from plans.
There is a website - MyHobbiesStore which sell plans plus wood packs from a guy called Glynn Guest designs and these are a very simplified model.
Its just another thought for your goodself - or should I say another Avenue for you to explore.
If you want an example of Glynn's models - have a look in the Masterclass build under Vosper MTB. :-)) :-))
aye
john
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I'll second Glynn Guests designs!
I came over from model railways aswell, Bought a couple of boats, but the Glynn Guest HMS Tean was my first boat Scratchbuild. Very easy to complete if you have the magazine article in front of you, I'd recommend it to any boating beginner!
Cheers,
Steven
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Hi guys im from Newcastle the kit was given to me I do like the kits from slipway especially the Al tug boat which says it fairly easy put together for a beginner
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I was told at local boat club the hull alone can fetch anything between £300-400 it wasn't till then I realised I have a expensive kit on me hands
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I was told at local boat club the hull alone can fetch anything between £300-400 it wasn't till then I realised I have a expensive kit on me hands
sorry severn, but if you referring to the Severn hull............you can buy a brand new one with grp superstructure from Speedline by negotiation for just under £275 inc postage. and that is brand new with warranty.
see here ( he's missed a nought of the hull cabin price) http://www.speedlinemodels.com/
neil.
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As I said earlier in the thread the full kit is around £1000, so if it were me I would keep the kit and build it later after I had gained some experience on cheaper easier kits. O0 Joe.
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Hi Joe yeah that my plan I think I seen the potential this severn can bring if done properly. :-))
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way to go Severn, just remember the old adage ( Don't run before you can walk ) do a couple of simple builds first even a cheapie £35 kit will teach you the basics ie. how to fit and line up the shafts/ motors and fit rudders, installing the RC etc. don't rush it enjoy the learning curve :-)) Joe.
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That very true did or have you done any kits from slipway?
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Model Slipway kits have a very good reputation and come with excellent comprehensive instructions.
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I've not build any from Slipway my first boat was a scratch build not from any plan just a generic shape that was over 30 years ago and I still have it today though it has had a few different cabins, and over the years I've built a lot of models planes, heli's tanks etc. and like you I went though a number of years building railways, and when I retired 4 years ago and had a lot more time I started building warships and have build 3 to date and just starting the fourth HMS Coventry Here's a pic of my first boat it's not the best looking boat but it is over 30 years old and built from scratch I was quite proud of it %)
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Model Slipway kits have a very good reputation and come with excellent comprehensive instructions.
I think if you trawl the threads on here for Model Slipway searches you will struggle to find anything other than high praise for them. I have built a couple over the years and the quality is as good as anyone can expect. Also, as has been said the instructions are highly detailed and take the builder through each step with excellent diagrams and part numbering lists etc. Finally the customer service from Jackie at MS is just ridiculously over the top. Talk about going the extra mile..............If Carlsberg did customer service they would call it Jackie....
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Thank you very much its just a matter of choosing which one to go for on slipway like a kid in a sweet shop %%