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Mess Deck: General Section => Other Hobbies and Interests => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on December 19, 2015, 02:24:34 am
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Dashcams anyone?
I've been mucking about with Dashcams recently, anyone else got one?
Which one did you buy / use?
I've been following Matt of Techmoan on Utube - https://youtu.be/5YKlaJL8If4 (https://youtu.be/5YKlaJL8If4)
He does a lot of Dashcam reviews ( and other technical gizmos and retro HiFi ), all very interesting!
Anyway bought one, the G1W from ebay, turned out to be a fake. I settled for a 80% refund and not bother return it.
It works OK but it's not very good.
Then bought a A118C, an excellent design, discrete and easily removeable. This was the one I really wanted to work as the feature was excellent but again mine was a fake, quite a good fake but a fake nonetheless. Day video was OK but night video was terrible. It died totally after a week. Full Amazon refund. Couldn't find a genuine A118C as a replacement.
.... so now have a Transcend Drivepro 100, so far so good. A much better built device that the other two.
Most of the mounts for these dashcams are horrendously under designed usually involving a sucker mount, most of which are bigger that the Dashcam itself! With that I mind I've been fooling around with various different mounts and ideas and I think I come up with an idea that seems to work well, well for me anyway! I'll post deatils if anyone's interested.
G1W Dashcam
(http://dashcamreviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/G1W-G1WH-G1W-C-Dash-Cam.png)
A118C
(http://myroadtrip.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/a118c-b40-pro-dash-cam-miata-mx-5-672x372.jpg)
Transcend Drivepro 100
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcy95KQKjIVzI1U3nUoAfNAZeWLSan0FoOVtV3qeLEUiO2sIUuFw)
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I have one with a sucker mount. My glass was 3m film covered (heat reflection and slight tint), and so the sucker does not go direct to the glass. I have to say that it has only fallen off once each year, and then only on extremely hot days. Then just a case of wiping the screen clean of dust, then licking the sucker and re-mounting.
If I was going for one now, I would get one that you can replay on the dash cam (no need to take out the SD card and insert it into a computer. Only because in China most issues are finalized at the road side when it comes to blame and compensation, and so having the footage to show to a cop is useful.
Thinking about avoiding fakes. You can sometimes get a better price from Halford's website than you can from the store.
On that subject. That is how my brother used to buy tires. But on line and then drive to the Halford's center for fitting. They could not offer the same low prices in store. This may still be the case.
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Ocado delivery vans are fitted with these - not sure which brand/model but presumably they went through evaluation loop using them with their commercial fleet - I will ask the driver what make/model next time I have a delivery
C-3PO
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Dashcams anyone?
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Most of the mounts for these dashcams are horrendously under designed usually involving a sucker mount, most of which are bigger that the Dashcam itself! With that I mind I've been fooling around with various different mounts and ideas and I think I come up with an idea that seems to work well, well for me anyway! I'll post deatils if anyone's interested................
Yes please particularly if it won't result in a mot fail for obscured vision and doesn't attract the attention of local low life.
The other problem that I can see is hiding the wiring.
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Why is it called a Dash Cam when they all seem to be mounted on the screen. I looked at them before doing Route 66 but I wanted one that mounted on the dashboard itself - no luck.
As an relevant aside I recently read that they must be mounted outside the wiper area eg top left windscreen. Anybody have authoritative information?
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..........................As an relevant aside I recently read that they must be mounted outside the wiper area eg top left windscreen. Anybody have authoritative information?
If that is true they won't capture much if it is raining or your windscreen is as clean as mine most of the time
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I have one sold by Maplins. it worked reasonably well however, three weeks outside the guarantee the mount broke and they refused to do anything about it. That being the case does anybody know where a replacement mounting could be obtained?
The chap in the shop also told me that it was a common fault.
The camera still works so, in future should I obtain another example, I shall mount the old one on the back screen as well.
LB
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I've just got one for £30 from Aldi. I put it on the top of the screen behind the rear view mirror where I can't see it. The mirror is regarded by law as a "driving aid which may obscure vision. The dash am is not regarded as such so must not obscure vision. Putting the cam behind the mirror means it looks through a swept area. So far it seems a good little camera. Fit and forget. If involved in a collision it automatically saves and locks the previous 10 minutes recorded.
Jerry.
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The other problem that I can see is hiding the wiring.
Mine is right next to my rear view mirror (passenger side, I found it distracting on the driver's side), I routed the cable up behind the mirror to the sun visor, across the top and over to the door seal, then right the way round the door seal to under the passenger seat, then up to the socket. I plan to move it to the secondary socket in the boot. Very tidy install you won't notice unless you're looking for it.
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A photo from below, you can't see it whilst sitting normally
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll23/Andy_Nightingale/DSC_0641_zpsaspwjb1u.jpg)
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I bought 2 really cheap (£10.99 each) and have one mounted front behind the mirror, and rear (in the corner of the rear screen. I use a USB power pack for the rear one, the front runs off the cigarette lighter socket - they do have inbuilt batteries, but these are only good for about an hour.
Quality isny great, but its good enough to read a number plate and show what happened.
when I nearly sideswiped a taxi in the bus lane while turning left, the rear camera showed him racing down the inside after pulling into the bus lane from 2 cars behind (there was only about 300m of bus lane before my turning, and I was doing 30mph (on the speed limit), so if I had hit him it would have proved he was speeding and undertaking at the time.
Grendel
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I have one sold by Maplins. it worked reasonably well however, three weeks outside the guarantee the mount broke and they refused to do anything about it. That being the case does anybody know where a replacement mounting could be obtained?
The chap in the shop also told me that it was a common fault.
The camera still works so, in future should I obtain another example, I shall mount the old one on the back screen as well.
LB
If the guy in the shop advised you that it was a common fault, then I would have thought that you would have grounds to get a replacement as it has not lasted a reasonable amount of time. I had an issue with my Fuji Camera and found out that this was to a common fault acknowledged by Fuji and after a few emails with links , and proof that they had replaced others F.O.C they repaired mine as well.. Saving £ 80.00 for a repair.
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I bought 2 really cheap (£10.99 each) and have one mounted front behind the mirror, and rear (in the corner of the rear screen. I use a USB power pack for the rear one, the front runs off the cigarette lighter socket - they do have inbuilt batteries, but these are only good for about an hour.
Quality isny great, but its good enough to read a number plate and show what happened.
when I nearly sideswiped a taxi in the bus lane while turning left, the rear camera showed him racing down the inside after pulling into the bus lane from 2 cars behind (there was only about 300m of bus lane before my turning, and I was doing 30mph (on the speed limit), so if I had hit him it would have proved he was speeding and undertaking at the time.
Grendel
Could you actually prove you were only doing 30 if an accident had occurred ?. I would have thought the best place for a camera is where it can also video speed etc, although not sure how you could mount it there without it being a pain.
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No, I couldnt prove my speed, but considering the length of that bus lane I am sure his could have been calculated, by the time between 2 fixed points easily measured on google earth.
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and the fact he easily undertook 2 cars in 300m to get up alongside me.
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and the fact he easily undertook 2 cars in 300m to get up alongside me.
Yes, But again your word against theirs, hence why I think the camera's should pick up your speed display.
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Don't think I would have been doing 30 if I was about to turn left :P
Ned
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for my motor home I bought in a supermarket on special offer a system which records everything with an integrated GPS(GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM):
Exact place, speed, embellishes with images on 180 °
It in the dimension(size) of a credit card, a thickness 1cm. Practically invisible in front of the rear-view mirror.
I had an accident in Glasgow, the woman phoned while driving.
When the woman went out of her car she told me: my husband is police ....................
Gazou in the bottom ...........
The police arrives, Gazou always in the bottom .............
Gazou tells a policeman: look there, there is a black box(flight recorder) which records everything and which sends the image to my computer at my home(with me) (it is not true, LOL) the police changes behaviour but Gazou always in ......
I gave the SHDC card to my insurance(assurance) and gazou in ....... that goes
The black box(flight recorder), in case of shock, still registers(records) 2mn after the shock and the SHDC card becomes inviolable. We were able to see (fleetingly) the woman by the telephone .
I would have wanted another black box(flight recorder) for my car but I have never found
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Something to bear in mind.... When sending video footage to the police/insurance companies, only send the footage relvant to the incident. A colleague of mine has just received a court summons for jumping a red light. Footage of which was on the SD card that he sent to the police for an unrelated matter.
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A colleague of mine has just received a court summons for jumping a red light.
Opps! :embarrassed:
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I cannot send that the sequence, I am obliged to send all the card.
The card is locked and inviolable to avoid scheming.
The card (32Mo ) is lost for me but I got back my pledge ( 2000 euros)
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Something to bear in mind.... When sending video footage to the police/insurance companies, only send the footage relvant to the incident. A colleague of mine has just received a court summons for jumping a red light. Footage of which was on the SD card that he sent to the police for an unrelated matter.
& watch out if you were doing 31mph in a 30 limit and that is recorded on the tape
You can edit a recording to send only the bit that is relevant. Any video editing package will do that. Download card to your computer. Get rid of unwanted bits in an editing programme and save the bit you want to save to another SD card which you send to your insurance company &/or the police stating that it is a copy that you are sending. Do not cut or change the immediate sequence before/ during/ after the accident. Keep the original card!
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Where do you buy these video Tapes
If you can edit yours, so can the other guy/gal
If they have a tape also
Ned
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Where do you buy these video Tapes
If you can edit yours, so can the other guy/gal
If they have a tape also
Ned
Special Digital Video tapes, :-) When we digitally record stuff on the TEVO we say Video Tape, bit stupid saying could you digitally record the programme , suppose you could say just to Record the programme , but where is the fun in that.
Same as 3d printing , just words..
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Netleyned
I am not saying that you should change the sequence that related to the accident but merely that you can get rid of the previous 50 minutes (or whatever) that is not relevant (& which might show you jumping a red light 30 minutes before). The other party in the accident can do the same & yes you will get two different views of the accident but they should both show the same person to be at fault. An unedited clip that shows say the 2 minutes before the accident + the accident should surely be enough. What would the 48 minutes (or whatever) before that prove?
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Just nit picking really.
Police may accept them as kosher
but the Insurance companies are another
kettle of underwater species.
One sniff of tampering and you will be lining
the repairers pockets yourself >>:-(
Ned
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That is why I said to keep the full unedited original unmolested.
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It is impossible to modify the card, I do not know how we can make it.
If we could extract parts(parties) of videos it would allow modifications
If you have three hours or more video where we see that you ldrive well it is better for you, for the insurances and the police.
If you drive badly the car it maybe difficult for you in .......
It is better to lose 20 euros and to prove our reason.
I am very happy to lose 20 euros, I gained 2000 euros
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It is impossible to modify the card, I do not know how we can make it.
If we could extract parts(parties) of videos it would allow modifications
If you have three hours or more video where we see that you ldrive well it is better for you, for the insurances and the police.
If you drive badly the car it maybe difficult for you in .......
It is better to lose 20 euros and to prove our reason.
I am very happy to lose 20 euros, I gained 2000 euros
?? It is actually very easy to Edit a card to extract just the part you need and not the bits where you have gone through a few red lights.
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There is also a great deal to be said for keeping the original under your control unless it is absolutely necessary to let someone else have it. Copies you can pass around without anything like the same concerns.
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I have one with front and rear view camera it records in 15 minute sessions so you don't have to send hours of recordings to police or insurence, it also as impact sensor if you are in a collision it will record and save the relevant footage.
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Pretty much every dash cam records in set intervals, and most you can change how long you want those intervals to be. Mine is set to 5 minutes per recording.
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I think mine are in 4 minute segments.
mind you wasnt this mentioned in regard to the guy on the M1 where the police took 3 hours to go out to him after he had a tussel with a lorry, it was claimed that the footage he posted was only at the end where the lorry sideswiped him with its trailer, there was some talk that prior to that he had already had a set to with the lorry by aggressively cutting it up, so in some cases the previous footage would have been relevant.
A dashcam may never give the whole story, but it may just give a little extra evidence to apportion the blame one way or the other, particularly in the instances of crash for cash where you are set up to rear end the other car, I believe dash cams have reduced the number of these type of claims, and led to prosecutions.
Grendel
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Dash cams are best to show that you are NOT to blame.
If you are involved in an accident at a cross roads, it will show that you did not jump the red light as claimed. They also protect you from bogus claims of people who say you hit them (for an insurance payout) when you didn't even touch them.
I am not sure how this video evidence would stand up in court. I don't think it would. I am pretty sure that in the UK it cannot be used as primary evidence.
For speeding it can't really, as there are too many variables, unless your speedo reading and apparent speed is way over the top.
However, in most cases once a video is shown in court, most people will not bother to contest the evidence, but for the police it is not the primary evidence.
Doing 150mph on the M25 on youyube, red light violations would still need me to admit guilt (primary evidence).
As for youtube. If I contested it, you could only really prove what stretch of road it was and that it was uploaded from my computer. Did my kids upload it? Was it my video? Was it my car? Was I the driver? Was it on the date and time shown? Was that my voice?
For insurance claims, it is usually the insurance companies who decide amongst themselves who is to blame. Which is why it is better not to be hit by someone insured by the same company as you, as they are often settled as 'knock for knock'.
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I wish I'd had a dashcam about eight months ago. I was driving to work at 4am (as you do!) and, in the pre-dawn sky to the east of Stirling, I saw the brightest fireball I'd ever seen, falling towards Fife and presumably burning out over the North Sea. Very beautiful.
Andy
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To be honest, I live in China. This is why I have a dash cam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqaig0nVcDs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqaig0nVcDs) favourite one is at 3m 20s
They even do it to cyclists here. Claim you have to cover the cost of their trip to the hospital. No insurance, but the police can make you cough up 150 quid in cash. The claimant then toddles off home. The culprit is usually a senior citizen.
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things I have seen - outrageous undertaking - https://youtu.be/iSZAn6fdcGY
jaguar pulls out at the last minute - https://youtu.be/6twlQYLs1Go
van doesn't bother stopping at roundabout - https://youtu.be/SyV5ftZj6-s
and these weren't even accidents
(Links corrected)
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Sorry no pictures of my Dashcam mount yet, broadband down here at home for a week now and Talktalk say; >>:-(
'We think it's your router, we'll send you a new one. Sorry but it will take 3 to 5 days. Happy Christmas sucker!'
.... I'm ever so please with their service!
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It's worth keeping in mind that a collision may not result in a prosecution by the police in the criminal court where the burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt"
Where as insurance companies take other to civil court where the burden of proof is lower ie" in the balance of probabilities" [size=78%]The Crown prosecution guidelines usually mean if there's no reasonable chance of a conviction in court they won't proceed, but that does not stop the insurance companies taking action.[/size]
It's up to you what evidence you offer in court, if it's edited you may be questioned about it . I would suggest you check it before you submit it, and keep an un edited version.
I worked in a collision investigation unit, it was not uncommon for folks to submit photos of junctions etc , that clearly showed they did not know what the signs and road markings meant, either not helping their case or proving they were wrong.
Paul
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You can get some reasonably cheap dashcams (40 quid mark) but you need to make sure they record in good quality to capture a number plate. Many of these cheaper ones dont and that's in broad daylight.
If you're serious about dashcams, dont just buy on price. Also, most dashcams do not capture pictures in jpeg format and you need further software to edit the video capture. Im not convinced by the need to have a screen on a dashcam myself so that knocks out a lot for me. Make sure it can be hardwired too because if its in the cigar lighter socket, you soon tire of the loose cable or stop plugging it in for every journey. And we all know what will happen the one time you dont plug it in!
Myself, I favour the Blackview 600 - 650 series. Some will consider these pricey at £200 but they have the features I want.
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Hi all i had a near miss with a cycle rider in cardiff just before christmas typical bike rider eight pm evening raining no street lights and the idiot had no lights on the bike no skid lid and no hi viz vest rode streight off the pavement in front of my 2 ton 4x4 tell you what i crapped a brick if i had hit him it would have been no dought my fault because i was driving a 4x4 so i fitted two dash cams front and rear screens running 32gb micro memory cards on a 5 min run i would advise any driver to install at least one of these devices for piece of mind.
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Missed this post when it was first posted.
I have a Blackvue DR400G-HD camera in my car. Very small and discrete unit that sits just behind the mirror but inside the window wiper arc. I ran the cable behind the dash, door pillar trim and under the head lining to keep it all invisible. It has GPS too so it tracks your speed, location, time etc...
Been very impressed with it. It's now a discontinued model but apart from needing a new SD card after a few years it's been faultless, just sits there and does it's job.
Recorded this just last Friday on a very cold, icy road. The other car ended up facing the wrong way in the hedge row!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDd_sRhFYgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDd_sRhFYgg)
Craig.
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The video is your proof that the other car was out of control when it hit you, now the insurance cant just say knock for knock, or that you are in any way at fault.
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Yes, Glad I have the footage and have backed it up in several places!
Both my insurance company and the other persons has asked if I have video footage and I said, "why yes, I do" but so far neither have asked to see it.
The car is booked in for repair on the 4th of March and the other drivers insurance, Diamond have been very good so far in handling the claim. They contacted me an hour after the event and said they'd like to take care of everything so I don't need to claim on my insurance protecting my no claims and hopefully not affecting future premiums. I have received a letter from them stating their enthusiasm to sort everything on my behalf but they did say it wasn't a statement of liability?
Been 20 odd years now since I last dealt with insurance companies so not sure what the process is but I have notified my insurance company and stated I won't be claiming anything from them.
Anyway, Video footage and photos are stored just in case anything comes back on me.
Craig.
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could have been a lot worse
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Your next premium will probably still go up though as they will regard you as 'accident prone'. :((
Colin
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I use a duel lens 140 degree dashcam and is sold as the "X3000" on Amazon etc for less than £30.00, then just fit say a 32GB micro SD card for a few pounds more.
It comes with all the mounts and cables with a 12v cigarette plug to easy power from your car socket.
Its been very reliable with no problems in about 18 months daily use.
The front and rear duel cameras can be used together or say just the front one.
It has GPS and when the SD card is removed for viewing on your PC or laptop it has some software it writes to the card so can be easily viewed together with a map showing where you have driven while the video is playing back, very easy to use.
Down side is the night vision is not too good, especially if there are no street lights.
As an upgrade I have been looking at the HP model F-800G which sells for approx. £100.00, again available on Amazon.
Hope this helps.
Pete
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Even telling the insurers you have had
an accident with no cost to them
results in a hike next premium day >>:-(
Ned
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yes but so does not telling them and them finding out.
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I use the good old Mobius camera, mounted on top of the dash.
Set to auto switch on from external source, record in ten minute segments and over write old files....
It just sort of sits there on the dash doing it's thing.....
Then I can take it off it's mount, attach to boat or quad and carry on filming..great bit of kit.
I only carry it in the car after I hit someone up the rear end, they slammed brakes on and said they were letting someone out from a side road, when there wasn't anyone there....and then claimed whiplash injuries for 4 people..........only two were in the car.....
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My suction mounted windscreen mount (Nextbase) keeps falling off irrespective of how clean both suction cup and window are.
Any practical solutions please, preferably adhesive free?
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My suction mounted windscreen mount (Nextbase) keeps falling off irrespective of how clean both suction cup and window are.
Any practical solutions please, preferably adhesive free?
Nailgun?
(http://www.lowes.com/images/LCI/Planning/BuyingGuides/bg_PowerNailerBuyignGuide_cordless.jpg)
Seriously tho, Have you applied any anti misting coating to the inside of the window? this can stop them sticking properly
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Nailgun?
(http://www.lowes.com/images/LCI/Planning/BuyingGuides/bg_PowerNailerBuyignGuide_cordless.jpg)
Seriously tho, Have you applied any anti misting coating to the inside of the window? this can stop them sticking properly
Would a nailgun be better than a skyhook?
Window cleaned thoroughly with methylated spirit - still no joy.
Methinks the suction cup holder is the weak link with my otherwise excellent dashcam.
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It helps if both suction cup and wind shield are at the same temperature when you fit them. Preferably when both are warm, you could do it on a warm day, or warm glass and suction cup with a hair dryer.
Having glass super clean does help but then you can use a tiny amount of oil (water and spit evaporate eventually) smeared on the suction cup to make the seal. I did read a suggestion to use skin oil (rub your finger into the pores of you face/nose) to apply to the cup.
In the past I have used a tiny smear of olive oil to good effect.
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Hi All, Having witnessed some terrible driving around here recently (driving up one way streets the wrong way, 3 point turns in the middle of the bye pass etc I am thinking about buying a dash cam. Prices seem to vary from a few pounds up to several hundred pounds. Specs vary enormously so has anybody got one they can recommend in the £50 - £80 price bracket? Thanks, Graham
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I use the Transend DrivePro 100 - I do find that you do have to check it at least once a week to make sure it is actually recording files though!
( Topics merged )
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I use a Mobius camera, I can also remove and use as an FPV camera when I want to.
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I have one that does have a small screen. It does not do playback, but you can see if it has come unplugged or turned itself off; which happens occasionally.
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Thanks for merging the topics Martin and apologies for not spotting your earlier posting :-)) From what I am learning it seems the really cheap ones do not last very long and the image quality at night is often poor. So better to spend a bit more and get reliability and quality. I need one that can easily be transferred from car to van. Rear view ability will only work in the car not in the van and its seems GPS can be a problem and mess up a Satnav signal. On with the search then 8) Graham