Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: Tug boat kev on April 10, 2016, 03:56:55 pm
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Hi all I wonder if anybody can help me I stupidly sent £110 for a bank transfer for a model fire boat to a chap called Lxxxxx Wxxxxx, however despite many promises the boat has never arrived, I posted on the site I found the advert and someone said they thought he had been on here doing much the same if anyone can help me with the address or something I would appreciate it.
thank
Kevin
Moderated
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What site did you do it on?
Jay
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hi, you are probably better getting hold of one of the site moderators and speak to them directly rather than posting this guys name on an open forum......I'm not in anyway saying or implying that you aren't telling the truth BUT it wouldn't be the first time someones name has been mentioned like this from a first time poster and it wasn't true..the model boat world isn't that big so potentially you have come to the right place :-))
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Good Point Grace re names but the Site would be perfectly ok may not be a model boat site
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If the sale was via Mayhem, please indicate sale post.
Admin :police:
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Good Point Grace re names but the Site would be perfectly ok may not be a model boat site
ooops when I said you've come to the right place I didn't mean that he had bought the model off this site..i meant he is in the right place to get some help re. model boats :-X
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Hello first thing's first I would like to apologise if my first post was incorrect or caused upset or offence it was not my intention, i have been a member for a while however two or three lots serious bed health has kept me from doing much.
As to my problem I was told that another persion that it was not the first time he has heard the name for the same reason if I am wrong I'll be the first to apologize however three weeks and four messages promising it has had been posted, this has left me low on money and with nothing to show for it,I only live on disability money and thought an investment on what looked like a nice boat would keep me out of trouble while renovating it, however it is done totally the opposite shot myself in the foot so if the moderators feel that this is not the place to ask or warn other members just in case then will you please remove the post it all together I will understand.
Kind regards and full apologise.
Kevin
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What site , where did you buy it.
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your best bet is gather all the evidence you have and go to the police and see what they can do . If what you say has happened then it is fraud
john
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Your bank will also be able to help, as they will know where your money went from the sort code & acc number, it is difficult to open a bank account without some form of 'proof of I.D.'
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Kevin can you please as asked clarify where you saw the advert which you purchased it from.
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Don't rely on either the police or banks - they simply will not be interested.
Colin
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boat was purchased from a buy & sell model boats & submarines page on facebook , 3 weeks after transfering his money , and several lame excuses and failed promises of delivery the model has failed to materialise loks like the vendor has happily taken the money , removed his advert from the sales page then given several false promises . as i understand it hes no longer responding to messages from kevin
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/106046196210394/
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:-)) So sad to hear that another fellow modeler has been caught by this person,I have posted about this before on Mayhem and Colin Bishop has as well,sadly your not the only one he has conned,the amounts are running into thousands now and he just chances his name and carries on regardless,he always insists on bank transfer,doesn't want Paypal and backs out from collection with cash from him saying he is never in,just be careful guys, look for warning signs and if in doubt back out of it even if it looks like the deal of the century.
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I have only ever made 1 purchase using 'bank transfer', luckily everything went fine for me, but I was given a good bit of advice by my bank's financial advisor afterwards, they told me to do it through my credit card account instead of my current account, there are safeguards built in to a credit card acc. that covers this kind of thing, so you are more likely to get your cash back.
I know doesn't help on this occasion, but it may save others from this kind of scam.
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Don't rely on either the police or banks - they simply will not be interested.
Colin
Why that ,is Fraud not a crime. Would seam if what is being said is correct ,then this person has done it several times .
John
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Yes, it should be investigated but in practice the police will probably decline to act unless you have bombproof evidence, not only that you have been scammed but that others have too. Hearsay via forums, is not enough and they have other priorities so a lot of crime, and especially fraud, goes uninvestigated. Some while back, a bunch of Somalis managed to persuade the idiots at RBS to send a replacement credit card for me to their North London address despite the bank knowing full well that it wasn't my billing address. Fortunately it was intercepted by a good neighbour who became suspicious and alerted me. The bank simply cancelled the card and issued me with a new one - no apologies, the police said that no crime had actually been committed - money stolen(!) so they couldn't act. Basically it is so common that neither could be bothered. The banks stand any losses and simply up their charges to their customers to cover them so we all pay in the end. The police are probably more interested in chasing Cliff Richard.
In this instance the bank has done nothing wrong so won't be interested.
No, it isn't fair but that is the way it is. A private prosecution through the small claims court might produce a result but the chances of it being enforced will be low unless the scammer cooperates, which of course they won't, and the buyer will probably then be even further out of pocket.
Colin
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Colin beat me to the punch.
Police won't really be interested unless there is a good chance of a conviction. Serious fraud is a serious crime and they would be more interested. The banks are not interested as it would cost them too much time/money to do anything and again, there is little chance of a conviction.
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well you are both wrong
TT the police investigate and then pass it on to the CPS who decide on weather to bring charges .
Depends on how you deal with the police ,and how much home work you have done . You have to hound them in to do there job . get your MP to put pressure on them to do there job. going to the press works wonders . remember they work for you and you the tax payer pays the wages.
john .
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Well that not my personal experience.
When my car was robbed a year ago, I told them who did it and how... nothing! >:-o
Selling /buying on Facebook:
( Same for Mayhem too really! )
Rule 1: Don't trust anybody.
Rule 2: See rule 1
Also -
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/facebook-selling#safe
https://ilookbothways.com/learn-safety/safety-tips-for-selling-things-on-the-internet/
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While the police may not prosecute in THIS case, any "intelligence" will be added to their 'files' which may help in getting a successful prosecution at a later date.
Always report to police .
Chris
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Sorry guys but there is a certain person out there who
Has been on here, Facebook and eBay pretending to sell model boats
But instead Ripping people out of their money.
People need to keep reporting the crime and eventually when the police get enough evidence
They can and will act but to say they are not interested lets the scum off Scot free that's what
They are counting on!!
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Do we know his Facebook name?
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Which police though? The ones you are reporting it to or the force in whose jurisdiction the scammer lives. Just how much coordination is there on what is in their perception a very minor crime? These days if you are burgled you may just get a crime number and told to contact your insurers.
In reality, if this guy is scamming people up and down the country, at what point is a policeman going to decide that it is worth several hours investigative work to put together a case? It just doesn't seem very likely to me. My case was like Martin's - we knew who the perpetrators were but no interest was taken.
Colin
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Perhaps there would be more interest from the boys in blue if the toerag was found and given a good hiding unfortunately he would then get priority over you with the fraud as the hiding would be classed as taking the law into your own hands. Meanwhile matey boy gets away scot free with your money!
Faz. <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<
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Follow the money it leads back to 1 place and then report to the police there
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I joined the clan on sunday, bought a futaba transmitter on ebay, to now get an email from ebay to say that the seller has been banned, 5 others are in the same boat, wait a month and apply to ebay for a refund.
Hay Ho, to good to be true!!!!! YEP
Mark
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Do we know his Facebook name?
yes , Kevin posted it on his original post , but ADMIN deleted it !
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There is a reference to the Facebook site further back in this posting.
ken
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the national fraud unit of the metropolitan police are now on the case , hopefully the toerag will be prevented from continuing his deceitful game
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Hi all, the scammer has now changed their Facebook profile details
To another person details.
He is now posing as Steven Houston of the Scottish model warship association
I have spoken to Steven this morning and he knows nothing about this,
And the profile location is down as living in America which is wrong.
To anybody that has been ripped off keep up the pressure the scum
Behind this is feeling the pressure!!!! <*< <*<
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the scum Behind this is feeling the pressure!!!! <*< <*<
And so he should..........despicable worm.
Jim.
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And so he should..........despicable worm.
Jim.
Absolutely and when he is know. They should be named and shamed....
But to help everyone know who it is I would like to thank Facebook.....
When you register on Facebook they automatically give you an email address based on
Your real name and then they publish it on your page so everyone knows your real identity!
Congratulations Mr Paxton you forgot to hide your real identity!!
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The name on Facebook is /dean.paxton.146
He`s been reported to Facebook for using a fake profile and unauthorized use of intellectual property.
Hope this guy gets what`s coming to him, not only is he ripping off honest hard working people but he`s also destroying innocent peoples reputations...utter scumbag
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But to help everyone know who it is I would like to thank Facebook.....
When you register on Facebook they automatically give you an email address based on
Your real name and then they publish it on your page so everyone knows your real identity!
Congratulations Mr Paxton you forgot to hide your real identity!!
This is very easily got around .
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Absolutely and when he is know. They should be named and shamed....
But to help everyone know who it is I would like to thank Facebook.....
When you register on Facebook they automatically give you an email address based on
Your real name and then they publish it on your page so everyone knows your real identity!
Congratulations Mr Paxton you forgot to hide your real identity!!
Facebook has no system to verify your actual identity - when I was teaching my daughter about social media, we created a completely false identity for her (a teenage boy) including setting up false e-mail accounts and photos from Google. Facebook accepted it all without question.
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Facebook has no system to verify your actual identity - when I was teaching my daughter about social media, we created a completely false identity for her (a teenage boy) including setting up false e-mail accounts and photos from Google. Facebook accepted it all without question.
Have to agree with that commentary.
Here in Oz the police and others agencies, regularly set up fake accounts to catch paedophiles and those grooming under age children.
Guess it would be the same in UK, as it is a world wide problem.
So No, you can't rely on facebook.
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I am in the USA, and had the very good fortune to find help from a German ExPat to
work through the Prosecutors office for issues with a local German vendor.
I documented the transactions, email and bulletin board messages with the vendor, and created a
timeline account for the local prosecutor to review. The prosecutors office reviewed
all my documentation, and then informed me that they would forward the case to a judge.
The judge reviewed the case, and a fine was levied against the vendor.
I thought that was the end of it, I didn't get any monies returned or product.
However, a few days after I received the letter of judgment, the product arrived, and in good condition.
I was later contacted by a judge inquiring after confirmation of receipt of product.
I resent all of the my case documentation, and confirmed that I had received the
purchased items, and that any reduction of the fine I would leave up to the court.
In the end, Two letters, email, requesting resolution from the vendor were sent over four weeks.
Total time from purchase to the start of legal proceedings was ten months.
It took two months for the prosecutors office to file and receive judgment.
It took the vendor a legal judgement, fine, and eleven months and twenty nine days to send product.
Anything is possible. A local prosecutor and a little knowledge of the legal system may be necessary.
Luckily I had a good person, I had never met, contact me via bulletin board to help me.
:-))
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pay with PayPal your fully covered there's no excuse why a person does not have a Paypal account nowdays
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pay with PayPal your fully covered there's no excuse why a person does not have a Paypal account nowdays
There is plenty of reasons to have or not to have Paypal...
That said this scammer has used Paypal too to get people's money
1 model he sold was on eBay, Facebook and another modelling forum and was
Sold to several people all over the world at the same time some paid via bank transfer or Paypal
The bottom line is this scum is attempting to steal from people regardless of how they pay it shouldn't be happening.....
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pay with PayPal your fully covered there's no excuse why a person does not have a Paypal account nowdays
:o :o :o :o :o :o
There are plenty of good valid reasons, least of which are the exorbitant fees and currency charges, you are aware that paypal is EBay's "money arm" are owned by one and the same.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
There are plenty of good valid reasons, least of which are the exorbitant fees and currency charges, you are aware that paypal is EBay's "money arm" are owned by one and the same.
3% is peanuts for peace of mind buying from someone you've never met....
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..., you are aware that paypal is EBay's "money arm" are owned by one and the same.
Not true. They were spun off into a separate company last year. I'm sure there are still close ties but eBay doesn't own PayPal any more.
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I also think the price you pay is good value for piece of mind :-)) but back to the scumbag in question. I think the more info we can get out on this persons activities, aliases etc. the better, he needs to be caught and get what`s coming to him <*<
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We must keep up the pressure, he is already scamming genuine modelers names and identities, he knows we are on to him as well as the police investigating
Mark