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Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: ukmike on June 11, 2017, 01:41:54 pm

Title: Paper plans
Post by: ukmike on June 11, 2017, 01:41:54 pm
What's the best glue to stick paper templates to birch plywood ?
I'm thinking wallpaper paste because it's easily removed when dampened.
What do you think ?
Mike.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: dougal99 on June 11, 2017, 04:09:04 pm
I use an aerosol of removable adhesive. Available from Art shops.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: TheLongBuild on June 11, 2017, 04:12:31 pm
Pritt stick
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: Netleyned on June 11, 2017, 04:17:53 pm
As per Dougal,
Mounting spray from the Works
(More expensive options are available) 8)


Ned
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: Klunk on June 11, 2017, 07:31:12 pm
i use photo copies of the relevant parts, then place them face down on the wood and apply a very warm iron for a few seconds. this heats up the toner which is in contact with them, transfering the image to the wood. simples

Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: ukmike on June 11, 2017, 08:46:19 pm
Unfortunately the plan is not photo copied.
It's a .dfx which I have ink printed
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: BrianB6 on June 12, 2017, 01:02:30 am
Don't use wet (water) based adhesive as it will alter the size of the paper template.
Better to use carbon paper and mark the ply that way or you could rub a very soft pencil (3B or softer) on the back of the plan and trace through from the front onto the ply.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: TheLongBuild on June 12, 2017, 07:15:54 am
Pritt Stick
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on June 12, 2017, 02:52:10 pm
Might be wrong but it sounds as if you are cutting the templates out of your plan. I would be tempted to, if you have a printer/copier for your pc(Or a friend who has one) to copy, or even scan and save on the pc, the appropriate templates, plus spare copies, just in case, and save the plan intact. If I was wrong file in the nearest bin. Cheers.
Syd J
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: ballastanksian on June 12, 2017, 06:02:38 pm
Might be wrong but it sounds as if you are cutting the templates out of your plan. I would be tempted to, if you have a printer/copier for your pc(Or a friend who has one) to copy, or even scan and save on the pc, the appropriate templates, plus spare copies, just in case, and save the plan intact. If I was wrong file in the nearest bin. Cheers.
Syd J

Likewise, this is what I will be doing. At £17.00 plus even for a Traplet plan, it is too expensive to chop up the original. I apologise if I am preaching to the converted. LIDL has three packs of Pritt stick at a silly price currently, well the Yeovil branch does.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: John W E on June 12, 2017, 06:54:11 pm
hi there, what's wrong with using good old tracing paper?  you don't damage the plan or anything then.

John
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: mrzippy on June 12, 2017, 07:29:42 pm
'3M Spraymount' aerosol glue in a 400ml can, used throughout the graphics industry for sticking (mounting) paper,
expensive to buy but a can lasts years.

I have used hundreds of cans throughout my working life sticking paper patches on old fashioned, pre computer artwork,
applied lightly it will not wrinkle plans or photo copies etc.

Sticks photo copies of plans to plywood perfectly for band sawing etc, leaving little glue residue,
but any residue is easily removed with Ronsonol liquid lighter fluid in a spout type tin,
evapourates away without staining or marking, wonderful stuff but pricey.

Zippy
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: mrsgoggins on June 12, 2017, 10:44:17 pm
Hi Zippy,
If a can lasts years and you have used hundreds of them.........?



Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: ukmike on June 12, 2017, 11:25:56 pm
Unfortunately I don't have an AO size scanner or access to one, (841 x 1189 mm  33.1 x 46.8 in.).
I do however have the .dfx program on my P.C. so it doesn't matter if I cut up the paper copy, as it can be professionally printed again if I should need it.
My question originally was what do you think of my idea to use wallpaper paste which can be easily removed if dampened with water without staining or damaging the plywood.
Rather a large plan to use tracing paper or carbon copy paper and anyway my hands are too shakey to follow complex curves and shapes.
Has anyone tried wallpaper paste ?
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 13, 2017, 01:58:37 am
Wallpaper paste is really  suitable for wallpaper, as it, wallpaper, has a thicker, coarser paper backing.

So no I would not use it as it will swell and 'buckle' the paper, any of the alternatives mentioned would be my choice but not cutting up the plan.

You could get the plan copied and chop up the copy?

With modern printers you can print onto 'stiffer' paper such as card and make templates. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: Ron Rees on June 13, 2017, 09:43:14 am
I used to do what you are planning but now I use the A4 computer printer at home to photocopy all the formers and even larger parts by folding the plan carefully for the parts I need, even if long bits like the keel are in smaller pieces which get taped together


These are all stuck to artists cheap white card (about £2-3 a big sheet) using spray mount or carpet glue, the card is then cut into templates which are used to draw around. It doesn't take much longer but you get to keep all the templates for another time or person and you don't have to try and scrape the paper off your model bits.


Always try to keep the plan intact if you can.


Cheers............Ron.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: mrzippy on June 16, 2017, 08:52:45 pm
Hi Mrsgoggins,

Now retired, sticking the occassional plan together a couple of times a year - yes a can of Spraymount would last years.

Re using hundreds of cans ?  I was referring to my work life in the graphics industry,
where I would mount large photographs (anything up to 8x4 feet in size) and easily use 2 cans in one hit to mount these large photos,
hence I have used hundreds of cans of the stuff over a 42 year working period,

Spraymount & Photomount are great products and highly recommended but expensive.
Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: ukmike on June 16, 2017, 09:16:41 pm
Have had a copy printed of the template sheet.
I am using wallpaper paste and the results are outstanding.
Sticks very well to the ply and paper and is simple to remove leaving no residue.
£1 for a packet from Wilko, enough for half a gallon.
Result.
Mike.

Title: Re: Paper plans
Post by: derekwarner on June 17, 2017, 12:08:21 am
 %)...... "£1 for a packet from Wilko, enough for half a gallon"

Use it quick Mike otherwise it will start to grow & ferment to a  purple/green/brown liquid muck with fur growing on top....and smell  {-)

Derek