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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: Rob47 on August 28, 2017, 05:15:49 pm
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Another refit under way, this time 1/96 HMS Tiger in her helicopter carrier role. Nearly done so hope to have her afloat very soon
Bob
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She looks good Rob. I look forward to seeing piccies of her restoration completed :-))
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HI all does anybody know if this model was finished an sailed ? an any pic's?
chris
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Chris
Yes she has sailed and very well, pics showing her at Gloucester docks Bridge was unpainted that day as waiting for paint, also it is not as blue as it looks
Regards
Bob
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HI Bob many thanks for your answer an tiger looks great on the water its in 1/96 scale isn't it ? the reason I asked about tiger is that im now scratchbuilding her in 1/72 scale an so far have nearly built the hull.Quite big at nr 8ft long but its a job on the stern as its a weird shape to build have you got any more pics of her ? an is it ok for me to download your pics for me to study to help me build her cheers
chris
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That stern is an odd shape. How are you building the hull Chris? If Plank on frame, it should conform to planking especially if glassed over.
It looks like a butch Type 42 :} It is lovely to see a ship with gurt big guns as well as more modern weapons.
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That stern is an odd shape. How are you building the hull Chris? If Plank on frame, it should conform to planking especially if glassed over.
It looks like a butch Type 42 :} It is lovely to see a ship with gurt big guns as well as more modern weapons.
HI im building the hull similar to plank on frame but no planks I use a 1/32nd plywood rap round as I call it an its a easyier way an you don't need no filler to fill the gaps inbetween the planks so its lighter to lift ive been building her now for a few months now
chris
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Do pop a few piccies up Chris. How will you create the stern area? I/we would be interested to know given the shape as you mentioned.
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Do pop a few piccies up Chris. How will you create the stern area? I/we would be interested to know given the shape as you mentioned.
HI i'll try to put some pics up tomorrow if I can but im on a new pc an a new image hostin site an so far all ive managed is to put up a link to the pics on my Nimitz build. So if I can put up the link on tiger you click on link an hopefully you will see the build pics fingers crossed an regards that awkward stern well im about to try an cover the hull so see how it goes its goin to be trail an error I think but i'll try an get it right
Chris
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I am sure you will work it out :-))
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HI im now goin to open a tiger build thread on here if possible as I don't want to hijack this gents thread so look for boatmans hms tiger build in 1/72 an remember it may be just a link to the pics
chris
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Good luck with her at 1/72, be nice to see.
Hope the attached image helps with the stern, the lower part is the original cruiser stern, up to the quarter deck then the large added on fairing makes it look odd, it actually is very easy to replicate. one shows Blake but as they were sisters, it is ok
Bob
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HI Bob many thanks for your answer an tiger looks great on the water its in 1/96 scale isn't it ? the reason I asked about tiger is that im now scratchbuilding her in 1/72 scale an so far have nearly built the hull.Quite big at nr 8ft long but its a job on the stern as its a weird shape to build have you got any more pics of her ? an is it ok for me to download your pics for me to study to help me build her cheers
chris
Chris of course you may download, also if you need any more I might be able to help, also I am in the Tiger association
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one more
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HI Bob many thanks for the pics youre a star an been a great help with the shots of that weird shaped stern an congrats for bein in the tiger assoation I hope you like my build effort but it will be only semi scale due to costs but will see on that may I call on you again if I need any help on her ?
all best chris
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I’m looking forward to watching this rebuild as I brought a Tiger that needs a renovation itself a few years back and will be my next project after the one I’m working on at the moment. Scalewarships has definitely helped thus far with their useful list of fittings, not to forget a decent hull.
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Hi Glenn,
Is your Tiger an original or
the bast... dized Helo carrying
version. A beautiful ship turned
into a low loader. Lion escaped the
desecration of Tiger and Blake.
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Hi Glenn,
Is your Tiger an original or
the bast... dized Helo carrying
version. A beautiful ship turned
into a low loader. Lion escaped the
desecration of Tiger and Blake.
HI im sorry you don't like the refit tiger but that's the main reason I wanted to build her as she is a unusual ship as its old an fairly modern mixed so something different
chris
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Same reason I built her, she is quirky
Bob
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I’m looking forward to watching this rebuild as I brought a Tiger that needs a renovation itself a few years back and will be my next project after the one I’m working on at the moment. Scalewarships has definitely helped thus far with their useful list of fittings, not to forget a decent hull.
Glen if you are building the helicopter version and using their hull, be very careful about taking what is built as accurate. On mine I had to blank off all the quarterdeck openings and cut new ones, as they were so far out.
Bob
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Really Bob apertures were that far out where did you purchase your hull as on grp hull they normally very accurate ?
chris
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Hi Ron. My boat is the refit hybrid one mate. I suppose from your perspective they spoilt a perfectly good cruiser, along with her sister Blake, they were the last ones in RN service. You have to realise that as with the advent of mature carrier warfare and the obscellence of the battleship, cruisers were made obsolete by the guided missile carrying Destroyer. In reality, had the Cva 01 carrier not been shelved by the Labour government of the day and the need for a interim helicopter carrier until the commissioning of the Invincibles, the Minotaur class cruisers in which the Tiger was one of, would have gone to the breakers yard years before. As a modelling subject, the Tiger and Blake offer something different, not unlike the USN’s experiment on their WW2 cruiser hulls. I’m hoping Bob, that the fibreglass hull is correct, I’m told that it is. Either way, it is the option I’m left with as the original plank on frame hull is unusable. Fortunately for me, the decking, superstructure and some of the fittings are good so I’ve a good chance of renovating the Tiger in to a decent version.
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My hull came from scale model warships, and it could be that it was the first one but I did not notice they were out until well into the build, when nothing seemed to line up, then it was a case of bite the bullet and do the cut n shut, all worked in the end, and she matches the plans, so all's well that ends well
Bob
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Hi Bob. What is the actual paint scheme you have on your Tiger mate. I’m also tempted at turning mine into the Blake and sticking a Kestrel on the flight deck for something different. Was there any noticeable differences between the respective refits or were they literally twins?
Glenn.
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Hi Bob. I actually brought mine from a chap in the West Midlands. Unfortunately, he had suffered a stroke and as a result he decided to repaint the hull with a tar brush and stick all sorts of weapons from toy ships on it. Before that, it had been built to a very good standard in Scotland. I’ve waited until my skills were good enough, just doing a bit of prep and buying various fittings etc in the meantime. I can’t wait until it’s finally finished, she will look good alongside my Hermes.
Glenn.
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Glen waiting for a reply from old Blake crew for their opinion on twins
Paint is light weather works grey
Kestrel be funny can depict melted flight deck
When you say Scotland would that have been from
Glasgow model boat club?
Bob
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I believe so Bob. There’s a video on the internet where it was a member of a collection including a Type 22 Frigate.
Glenn.
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HI Glenn have you any of your builds on here ?
chris
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Hi Chris. I’ve mostly collected boats for the last four years mate and only completing mostly built boats. I’m currently working on a 1/96 scale Uss Helena cruiser which was originally started by the late Ron Horabin. This is mostly scratch built using ply, styrene card and litho plate but also using fittings from John r Haynes and Shapeways. This is my most adventurous project to date and hopefully do both the boat and Ron proud. The Tiger will probably be started with conviction this winter.
Glenn.
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Hi Chris. I’ve mostly collected boats for the last four years mate and only completing mostly built boats. I’m currently working on a 1/96 scale Uss Helena cruiser which was originally started by the late Ron Horabin. This is mostly scratch built using ply, styrene card and litho plate but also using fittings from John r Haynes and Shapeways. This is my most adventurous project to date and hopefully do both the boat and Ron proud. The Tiger will probably be started with conviction this winter.
Glenn.
HI Genn be nice to see your builds on here an the tiger when you start her as I would like to see how you build different to me as we all have our own ways of doin things that's what makes it intresting to me an we can learn off each other in my opinion that's the joys of modelling all ways something new
chris
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Glen the consensus of opinion on Tiger and Blake being spot on twins, as far as the casual onlooker at any of our sailings, is yes they are so you could do her. However in real life many smaller details push then apart from being twins. hope this is of use.
Bob
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Hi Guys. Thanks for your inputs. How do you load photos on this site. I’ve already took some of my Helena so could put them up.
Glenn.
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Hi Guys. Thanks for your inputs. How do you load photos on this site. I’ve already took some of my Helena so could put them up.
Glenn.
HI Glenn I use IMGBB image hosting site as its free but for how long I don't know an its bit complicated but I have so far just worked out how to put a link to imgbb to bring up the pic an one of the guys helped me to bring up the pics on my site so hopefully he will help you have a look on my tiger build to see who the gent is
chris
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Very much obliged Chris.
Glenn.
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Do you have Microsoft Office say 2010 or later?
if so does it have the tools section?
look for Microsoft Office Picture Manager, open your picture, resize - crop etc to reduce the size of the original file to those limits imposed on Mayhem and then follow the procedure to attach to the thread
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Do you have Microsoft Office say 2010 or later?
if so does it have the tools section?
look for Microsoft Office Picture Manager, open your picture, resize - crop etc to reduce the size of the original file to those limits imposed on Mayhem and then follow the procedure to attach to the thread
HI Warspite many thanks for your offer of help but all that you are sayin is beyond me as im not very good on this new windows 10 pc ive only had it a few wks so i'll have to carry on how I was with the pics just putting the links or the other gent said he will bring the pics up proper sorry about that but all I can manage but 'll have a look at what you mentioned all the same to see if I understand it but don't hold your breath
chris
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HI Bob is there any chance of you putting some pics on here of your props sharfts an motor layout as it would be of immence help to me when I get that far as my plans are not brilliant
chris
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HI Bob is there any chance of you putting some pics on here of your props sharfts an motor layout as it would be of immence help to me when I get that far as my plans are not brilliant
chris
Chris, can show the outside of the prop layout but not much on the motors as they are buried deep,, I did not use plans to locate, rather decide to to two up and two forward, the shafts from Sitex also led me to this decision
Bob
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Chris, can show the outside of the prop layout but not much on the motors as they are buried deep,, I did not use plans to locate, rather decide to to two up and two forward, the shafts from Sitex also led me to this decision
Bob
OK Bob i'll leave it at that then thanks for your answer
chris
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HI Bob is there any chance of you putting some pics on here of your props sharfts an motor layout as it would be of immence help to me when I get that far as my plans are not brilliant
chris
Propshaft external layout, cant get to inside as all is sealed in as is my preference, hope it helps. What plans are you using?
Bob
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HI Rob some great pics many thanks will help me greatly an im usein jecobin plans what I had speacily enlarged to 1/72 scale but there are so many lines on the plans its a job to make head or tail of the prop layout but from lookin at your pics its give me a sort of 3D detpth of perseption an a sence of confidence to fit 4 props an motors I think as the sayin goes a picture is worth a 1000 words an very true too an I see you have fitted 5 blade props but on my plans it shows 3bladed but I think I will go for 5 bladed props as well as more thrust I think I shall study your prop layout cheers
chris
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I used 5 blade as that is what Sitek provided in the running gear set, so not going to change them. Jecobin plans I have show 4 blade, but as they sate the underwater detail is a guess. Totally wrong for HMS Bristol, but luckily had access to that area so mine is correct :}
Bob
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Bob that is a crackin pic of your tiger on the pond :-)) is that you in the background with the R/C ? An this pic will give me a little idea where she sits in the wet stuff anymore pics please ? as they will all be very usefull to me or anybody elese for that matter cheers :-))
chris
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Yes that a younger Tiger and me :} that one was built same way as your frame and wrap, but while I was out of UK it was stored under a leaking roof, and water got between wood and fibreglass, so rebuild required, that's when I changed to fibreglass hull.
As for props, Sitek says they are 3 blade which is what he will supply, but he supplied my 5 bladed. They works so leaving well alone. The Tiger class had 4 four bladed props, according to one of her divers, who had to dive to check them out.. My Jecobin plans of which there are two versions, firstly show, 3 bladed but the later defo 4, this is what make the hobby fun (I think)
Image of her on the ground is wood hull remainder test tank of fibre glass
If you need any shots of the real ships, let me know BTW just seen shapeways do cracking turrets BUT really pricey
Bob.
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Cor thanks Bob for pics an info really good of you will help me greatly an many thanks for the offer of pics of the real ship I will take you up on that when I get more done on the hull an just been studying your build an like my plans there doesn't seem much detail on the hanger or rear of the ship is that how she was ? anyway cheers
chris
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HI Bob a question if I may please about your prop sharfts on your tiger how long are they ? an yes I know yours is 1/96 scale an mine is 1/72 but I just want to get a little idea for when I do need them cheers
chris