Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Taranis on May 03, 2019, 12:01:40 pm
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As requested I will post photos here of my build.
I did point out that there are great blogs already out there. I like this one in particular http://wolfdenpress.net/lobster.html (http://wolfdenpress.net/lobster.html)
DaveM has already built this to a very very high standard and now owned by member Timbo
Likewise very high quality build by Stan who is refurbishing his after near 30 yrs
PICTURED at the bottom
This kit comes with very detailed comprehensive instructions and perfect for beginners. As the box says ages 14+
I would have loved this as a child and will enjoy it equally well as a sexagenarian :embarrassed:
I anticipate bringing this up to date with a brushless motor of modest RPM with 2s LiPo or 7.2 NiMh
Candidate for motor https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-d2836-9-950kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-d2836-9-950kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html)
I also have 2 options of Turnigy SK3 motor with 3mm shafts at home in stock that I bought for another project that I can try
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-6c9BBWz/1/a54844be/X5/E77EEDAB-3C31-4D8E-B662-7A93E308AA78-X5.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-VPckCq8/0/c9fe24a4/X4/E284FAB4-12FF-4799-A4E9-06A40BEB1C78-X4.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Balne-Moor/i-bMtB7SV/0/38997ca8/X5/DSC_0382-X5.jpg)
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I had been looking for an old stock unbuilt kit of this for quite a long time but only found the smaller display model.
Recently I found what appears to be a re release of the Original 30" in a redesigned box. This is the only seller worldwide it would seem and right here in the UK. There is one overseas listing but I twice placed an order without receiving an invoice to pay so a waste of time.
It occurred to me members might think why post a build blog for something that is not available?
If anyone wants to join me.
I have not posted this anywhere else but Mayhem
I have no idea of stock levels but just now you can get one at £199.50 .Good luck
This is a genuine business as I bought over the counter while on holiday at Crystal Palace less than 2 miles away
https://hobby.uk.com/boothbay-lobsterboat.html (https://hobby.uk.com/boothbay-lobsterboat.html)
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If anyone is even half-tempted, this is by a long way the very best wooden model boat kit I have ever handled. At two hundred quid it's a steal. Just do it - you'll not regret doing so.
Dave M
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These must be like the lost brand new Spitfires still in crates buried in Malasia {-)
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HI Guys this is what mine looked like 4 weeks ago until it developed a major problem. It has lasted 29 years before a major refit was needed but like a Phoenix it will rise from the ashes.
Stan.
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Here is another snapped at Kirklees. The detail and colour are up to the builders imagination :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Kirklees-MBC/i-9X8kzPf/1/a404b81d/X4/DSC_0370-X4.jpg)
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Andy,
All the photos I've seen herein are done extremely well. You are right...lobster boat configuration was/is varied as the skippers who ran/run them. So after completing the basic general arrangement you can build it to be pleasing to your eye. I can't wait to see your version...I know it will be done extremely well.
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Need to get mine out from under the bench and dust it off for a sail.
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Hi Timbo mine needs a lot more than a dusting off.
Stan
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Need to get mine out from under the bench and dust it off for a sail.
You should build one while you have the very likely last opportunity
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Well, this thread, along with others about the same kit, has convinced me to buy one. Hope I can do it justice - it will be the first RC boat kit that I've built
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Well, this thread, along with others about the same kit, has convinced me to buy one. Hope I can do it justice - it will be the first RC boat kit that I've built
Super! DaveM believes these are the original old stock (I agree) and not a re release so very likely the last opportunity to buy new and build it. They would not say how many they have
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Held off ordering one for a while.......but I've just done it. Hope they have some left!
DaveM
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Held off ordering one for a while.......but I've just done it. Hope they have some left!
DaveM
Nice one :-))
Only time will tell, she did say quite a few but clear as mud and impression was secretive {:-{
EDIT I've emailed Michael Grant to enquire about a specific stock availability. This is the man who replied to my original enquiry weeks ago before coming down here on holiday
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I really like this stand contributed via a link provided by Chum444
Thanks Bill :-))
Just looking via eBay I calculate a cost between £40 to £50 assuming 25mm pipe and fittings?
This is PVC pressure pipe and only in grey in UK unless you can find different
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I recommend a few upgrades to the stock kit. As supplied the pot hauling snatch block is rather crude. You can buy a much improved block from Blue Jacket in Searport, Me. See http://www.bluejacketinc.com/downeast. (http://www.bluejacketinc.com/downeast.htm)
The kit does not include the traps. Bluejacket has the round top wooden traps that are appropriate for the Boothbay boat. I cut mine down a bit in height since they looked a bit off scale as supplied. The lobsters from Bluejacket are not what I would recommend...they are too small. I got mine from Umi Ryuzuki in Portland, OR. Today’s LB’s carry rectangular wire traps but those are not appropriate for the Boothbay vintage boats. I will see if I can find some references for that era LB.
BILL
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Thanks Bill
Lobster traps are included and instruction are pages 83 to 85 :-))
2 white metal lobsters included also
Extract
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Did not know that Andy. I did not start with a kit for mine but bought a somewhat derelict completed boat that needed to be rebuilt to be true to type.
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No worries Bill thanks :-))
Anyone wanting to have a go? this is the most complete idiots guide imaginable, 94 pages holding your hand at every step. Coupled with the existing blogs online it's a gift
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Speaking for myself
When I get home and hopefully make a start the first thing I need to do is play about with the plan and establish what length prop tube and shaft I will need (as a replacement) to facilitate my desire for a straight motor coupling and brushless motor. Top consideration is the same overall diameter so it fits the keel sections exactly the same.
I anticipate using a super flex or micro flex coupling from modelboatbits and likely ask Steve to provide the shaft etc too.
Steve previously did the special 8mm to 8mm coupling for my Portgarth and custom prop tubes with lubrication points for 1:12 Shannon jet drive conversion.
I hope other Lobsterers will share their work here :-))
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Well for what its worth I built mine well over 29 years ago and I have to agree construction is very straight forward. The scale of 1/12 allows lots of items to bought to add that extra touch. Good luck if decide to build this model you will not be disappointed. We may in the future have lobster boat meet something to think about. I will keep updating my old fishing boat thread to show how the refit is coming on.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Seller replied only one left and no more to come ever
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Loyalhanna dockyards in the US sells a 22” fg hull as a replacement for the Midwest hull. $85.00 USD. Not a 30” hull but probably would work okay.
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This kit went out production many years ago to be replaced with a ready to run version. I have to say over the years of attending model shows and club events I have not seen many midwest lobster boats looks like they will become like hens teeth.
Stan. :((
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As and when I get my kit I'll take steps to "future-proof" the design for anyone who wants one in the future. Ain't these 'pooters wunnerful?
DaveM
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As and when I get my kit I'll take steps to "future-proof" the design for anyone who wants one in the future. Ain't these 'pooters wunnerful?
DaveM
That would be great :-))
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Loyalhanna dockyards in the US sells a 22” fg hull as a replacement for the Midwest hull. $85.00 USD. Not a 30” hull but probably would work okay.
I have the original but I don't like small models for sailing.
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:-)) Dave,
If you build a plug & pull hulls you may find a market here in the US. The only source for a LB hull I know of is Loyalhanna. Bluejacket sells a complete kit but it is quite pricey. These hulls are adaptable to building a bass boat or lobster yacht as well as the fishing version so they are at some level still popular.
Bill
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I had this in stock for tug a bow thruster that I’m not doing now so will go with this
SK3 28-30 3mm shaft 920kv
600 motor for size comparison
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-W8vqHQf/0/72383f5e/X3/1F5BCB4C-D2BF-418A-9B13-B69CEBA9CA9D-X3.jpg)
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:-)) Dave,
If you build a plug & pull hulls you may find a market here in the US. The only source for a LB hull I know of is Loyalhanna. Bluejacket sells a complete kit but it is quite pricey. These hulls are adaptable to building a bass boat or lobster yacht as well as the fishing version so they are at some level still popular.
Bill
Bill
I'm sorry to be a killjoy but there are plenty of reasons why this would be a non-starter - at least for me. My preferred medium is wood and not GRP, and I've long since left the commercial world for a quieter life! Besides which the cost of shipping 30" GRP hulls to the USA from UK would be truly astronomic. I'll leave it to Don at Loyalhanna to sort one out if he thinks a 30" version would be worth the trouble.
Andy
Maybe with a 50mm 3-blade plastic prop and a 2S LiPo? The orange 28mm Turnigy brushless motors fit straight into a 380/400 glass-nyolon motor mount - this one might do the same. It makes fitting the motor very easy.
Dave M
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Thanks Dave that's useful to know. I'm just looking at the old stuffing box as they refer to it.
4mm thread for prop and shaft turned down to not 3mm but 1/8th at drive end with an imperial grub screw on the collar {-)
Prop tube is 5.6mm O.D.
I'm ordering a 3 to 3 coupling and looking at a better shaft to suit
EDIT microflex 3mm to 4mm plain coupling.
Model boat bits do prop tubes and shafts separately to optional lengths so I'm looking at possibly 11" tube and a 15" plain one end shaft that I can cut to length.
tube is 6.35mm O.D. but I'm sure I can modify to fit
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Actually having looked at Stan's very useful pictures I think I might be better making the prop tube go right through the bulkhead to the cabin.
(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62785.0;attach=192169;image)
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340mm is favourable
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I've just sent this to Steve
Hi Steve
Can you make me a 6.35mm O.D. prop tube 340mm long with an oiler point (20mm tall max) at 250mm.
A 4mm shaft threaded one end plain other end 365mm long
Accompanied by a micro flex coupling 3mm to 4mm
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Andy....
1. is your plan a true 1:1 scale?
2. the Microflex coupling is listed as 45 mm long overall [-10 each end for engagement]
3. the propeller may have up to 10 mm for engagement
365 -10 for engagement in the propeller - 10+35 - 10 for the coupling
:o if so, won't a 356mm overall shaft will place the motor mounting face about 10>12 mm further inboard?
Derek
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Thank you Derek
I’ve ordered the shaft longer to cut down as required. The further forward the motor the more room beneath to take a motor mount across the V of the hull :-)
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The cabin area is very large and should accommodate all the electronics needed for this model.
Stan
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Ahah........sorry, I missed the shorten actual prop shaft ., 'cut to length to suit' :embarrassed:
I accept that cold drawn precision 4.0 mm stainless bar will be the nominated shafting, however do the Model Boat Bits manufactured shaft & outer shell construction include a mid position bearing?
The reason I ask.......if we bring this back to full size....a scale of 3/4" to the foot is a factor of 16
a 340 mm long outer shell with bearings is 344 x 16 = 5440 mm overall tube
the shaft of 4 mm is 4 x 16 = 64 mm diameter bar
Now I ask in full scale life, would we have a 64 mm diameter shaft, whipping around & unsupported [except at extremities] ...... over ~~ 5440 mm? <*<
Derek
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Good point but I don’t think 4mm will behave like a full scale shaft as centrifugal force will be nothing with barely any weight
I’m sure Steve’s shafts perform satisfactory
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Order paid.
No there is no centre bearing, bronze bearings both ends. As I anticipated.
The original has no bearings at all and just has the tube crimped down to the shaft at the ends and no oiler. This has noticeable play and pretty poor for the 80's obviously to a price point.
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I'm pretty sure I replaced the shaft and tube supplied with a M4 x 8mm one with bronze bearings, although it was the same length as the kit version. The Mabuchi 555 even on 14.4v is a low-revving motor anyway.
My kit arrived about twenty minutes ago - yippee!
DaveM
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I made my own shaft years ago and it was taken out during the refit just has good has the day it was fitted. Dave M you'll be like a kid in a sweet shop.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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No more stock now, last one in the world just been sold %%
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My kit turned up today. I've had a quick look in the box. As mentioned above, the propshaft will need replacing with something better. Apart from that, everything looks good.
I do think it might be a little ambitious for my first build. Although I am probably capable of putting it all together (the instructions seem to be very comprehensive), it would be a shame to do a less than perfect job through inexperience, especially since there's no possibility of having another go later.
I've got an Aeronaut Mowe 2 kit that I picked up at a good price on eBay. I think it makes sense to build that first, use it as a cheap way to try out things like finishing with epoxy, glassing, etc., then come back to the lobster boat if the Mowe turns out OK.
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Just wait until you turn 14+ :-))
Just take your time with it. No prizes for speed O0
I just got one of these for £10 delivered from a UK seller, don't know what I'll do with it but for £10 who cares {-)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/264265211390?chn=ps (https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/264265211390?chn=ps)
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Could argue that the orange motor I linked to is maybe a better orientation (shaft and stator) than this option but I’ve used this mount from my bits drawer and drilled/taped it to suit. Now I need an ESC with reverse function.
Hobby king website is down just now and painfully slow to navigate when working >:-o
BTW all the pictures I post as we go can be found here directly https://techno.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-ZX9tNCT
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Whilst my main project is stalled due to the weather preventing painting I've made a start.
I find the keel parts need some adjustment and perhaps some of the wood has shrunk but I've focused on making parts fit where they will meet other parts and not concerned with the outline of the keel.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-Prp4d5n/0/8d5f14fd/X4/E033058B-C709-4660-99B7-C5AF62CBA013-X4.jpg)
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Now awaiting custom prop tube
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This will be evened out later
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Been to Doncaster exhibition where I found this chap from mountfleet models.
He's now checking out the plans for his new home and advised me on materials at Leeds model shop :-)
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Parts prepared up to step 19 page 15
It's a shame that midwest were not sympathetic to the grain for the deck for those using stain and varnish. They have cut all parts with ply one way up and the deck is either all lefts or all rights resulting in as pictured with one side flipped over.
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As for sanding the edges square. If only it was that simple, all the mating edges are convexed so need trimming minimalistically. Steel rule used to make a clear sanding line
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Andy,
Of course you can & should build the boat in any configuration you choose. Just a tip however....one would never see a lobster boat with varnished decks. The lobster yachts had a lot of bright work.
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Yes I've read that Bill thanks however it does look nice. I'll have plenty of time to decide :-))
My criticism is aimed at Midwest who picture their model such but then make it extremely difficult to achieve purely by thoughtlessness.
If I go that route I should be able to match the colour but not the different grains
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I have seen the grain issue in other kits.Too bad. Perhaps they should have had a real builder on their staff. O0 O0
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Thinking about it just now it would be no great shakes to buy a piece of ply and use this deck as a template for a one piece deck
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I know a company who can emulate a planked deck on 0.8mm ply, using a laser. All we/they need is a CAD file of the required part. They're called SLEC. Here's one they did for me recently -
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Awesome what do I need to do :-)
That’s a beautiful model 8)
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Thank you, kind sir. :embarrassed:
Are you planning to go to Wicksteed? If so we can get our heads together, weather permitting. I shall be taking Swordsman.
DaveM
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Yes booked for three nights Friday on :-))
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Steps 20 to 27
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All the lines for the deck supports need to be the subdeck thickness below the cut outs. It says to use a piece of subdeck to mark each edge and join up with a straight edge
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The Balsa support strip may not be perfectly straight but after applying the slow CA I've used the steel rule on the line to butt against
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Check
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Continuing with the instructions. This is a good point to fettle the cockpit deck to fit easily for later on. Not shown!
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I would ordinarily be fitting the Keel and then on to the 6 Chine logs. I believe my custom prop shaft will arrive Monday to complete this. I won't be doing the motor mount instructions as per manual is they are not applicable to my longer prop tube
6 Of
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See you Monday , Balne moor scale sailing day tomorrow :-))
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While waiting for prop shaft I’ve jumped ahead to the rudder
Exactly as detailed in steps 131-134
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Hi Andy brings back memories. Lots of comments on my rebuild at the Doncaster M E exhibition last weekend. Not sure if you noticed my rudder servo is installed at the very rear near to the rudder post. Cable for this servo is fitted in plastic tube which terminates at a veri board near the rudder will post pictures.
Stan
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Great Stan :-))
I will be copying your idea O0 what's a veri board? pleez
Most likely with a micro servo hidden in a crate or behind something. I've drilled two 20mm holes through bulkheads to carry any wires below deck.
Prop tube arrived so I can crack on
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No idea of my colour scheme yet so just grey primer for now
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Back on track now with prop tube glued in and infil strips sanded flush.
Also marked and drilled but NOT glued in the rudder shaft
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I've decided to change to one of the orange motors but too close to my holiday to order. Reasons being it is a lower KV and 4mm shaft which is easier to align perfect using a 4mm to 4mm tube
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-d2836-11-750kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html
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Hi Andy just a few pictures of the dinghy I tow behind my model. This two needs some T L C
Stan.
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Woah! where did 6hrs go %%
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So following the plan we dry fit F1 and adjust before adding slow CA. Use the joint line in the two halves as a guide to centre on the keel
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Then this part again after checking fit. ONLY glue to the keel NOT to F1 yet!
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Then you can open the gap one side at a time, apply CA and push together
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So they look like this and flush
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Then fit this assembly exactly as instructed with the transom dry fitted and mark the position of the bulkheads on the keel. Then glue in place but not the transom!
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It says to check the deck to keel with a square but personally I used my eye sight only by aligning the top edges of the bulkheads
Example
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Now the deck
Pin in place at the bow
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Then fit a spacer either side of F3 (cabin window push outs) perfect
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Press the deck down onto F2 and now glue the deck to both sides of F3 and hold until set
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Then glue the deck to the bow and remove the pin.
Then glue the deck to F2
Working back to the rear centralising and gluing the rest of the bulkheads
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Then fit the Transom
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Next the strips either side of the keel and the first of the Chine logs
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Alternating side to side to fit all 6
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Here I've planed off the meat and will finish with sanding block
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This is the best build guide available IMHO :-))
http://rktman.com/rlh/boothbay/steps/steps.html (http://rktman.com/rlh/boothbay/steps/steps.html)
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Here I've made up the frames with the help of the plan BUT don't trust the roof support spacers.Average them out so they are exactly the same port and starboard
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I finished fairing the hull ready for planking but I'm now putting the curve into the cabin sides and using spacers at the front to overbend them. Should be OK when fully dried out after a soaking. Water is free if not in a hurry so no need to rush out for rubbing alcohol {-)
Notice the bow faired
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Wow this builds flying together :-)) Looks like a nice kit. Tidy job too Andy.
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Wow this builds flying together :-)) Looks like a nice kit. Tidy job too Andy.
Thanks Mark yes its a lovely kit but alas no more other than the last three bought by Mayhem members.
Still very much a lot to do so great value :-)
Bobbing along behind, said I'd stick to one model but the lobster is a pleasant diversion
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https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62785.0.html
Hi Mark T not sure if you have seen my major refit of this model see above link. Hope to see on the 14 of July. Looking good Andy Check out Macs moulding at Hooton Park for some items to give that extra detail.
Stan.
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Thanks Stan
Absolutely no need to glue everything together, certainly not to plan but will be much easier painting etc.
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FYI I have now used a whole 1oz bottle of slow CA %%
I'm thinking of lining the four cabin windows with brass strip like I did on Portgarth
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https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62785.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62785.0.html)
Hi Mark T not sure if you have seen my major refit of this model see above link. Hope to see on the 14 of July. Looking good Andy Check out Macs moulding at Hooton Park for some items to give that extra detail.
Stan.
Hi Stan - yep I’ve seen the rebuild and it’s looking great. In fact I think we have a bit of competition between you and Andy here O0
We can’t make the July meet mate as we will be in Zante - sorry :((
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Stan’s is unique I can only steal ideas :-))
No idea how mine will turn out but the key is to avoid the picture on the box for me
RNLI colours are out !
Svitzer colours are out !
I like Man City blue but so many options
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Stan’s is unique I can only steal ideas :-))
Hard to make such a pristine model as Stans!
Ned
No idea how mine will turn out but the key is to avoid the picture on the box for me
RNLI colours are out !
Svitzer colours are out !
I like Man City blue but so many options
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It's occurred to me today that when both are finished they'll make a great double act O0 both 1/12
Spent all day getting ready for road trip leading to Wicksteed eventually so no work on Lobby today.
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Advance warning!
The drawing for assembling the windscreen is wrong. If you make it to the plan it will be up to 3mm short.
Regarding the rudder note that only one piece of wood is to be used and the other discarded
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Hi Andy things must have changed over the years since I built mine. The rudder was much thicker and had no problems with the windscreen. Just posted some pictures on my old fishing boat thread showing rudder supplied in the kit years ago
Stan.
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Original instructions Stan, I don’t thing they’re updated. Two pieces of wood die cut but one to chuck away
http://rktman.com/rlh/boothbay/steps/step131.html (http://rktman.com/rlh/boothbay/steps/step131.html)
Roger's Notes: You will only need one of the die-cut rudder parts from the die-cut sheets.
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Hi Andy my rudder is much thicker but we are looking at 29 years ago since my build. But either way they work fine. I hope to have mine back at Wilton in about four weeks time.
Stan.
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In four weeks time I hope to be well on the way down the Mosel in Germany Stan :-) Going with advice from DaveM I bought two motor mounts today on a whim, both similar but huge price difference. The dearer orange Graupner does seem more Stout and probably use it.
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Here a picture of the alignment tool and micro flex coupling from Modelboatbits .
Essential for success of minimal or no vibration
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I must have spent near £50 today at macmouldings in 1:12 scale :-)
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Good stuff from Macs.
Stan
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Today’s shopping
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£50 for that lot is pretty good. I think I'll be buying some bits from there soon...
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That’s only for the resin bits not the component shop products
Also not including the seated figure from mount fleet £15
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Hi Andy hull repainting well under way. Thought you might like these pictures.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Looking fresh :-)
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I’ve now ordered the 750kv Turnigy motor with 4mm shaft and a new alignment tool and coupling for delivery next week.
I don’t like plastic propellers while I can afford brass and I’m wondering if downsizing the 50mm to 45 might be advantageous? Comments invited
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Andy
The 50mm plastic prop on the model I made has a very fine pitch - possibly too fine, because I had to use 12 NiMH cells to get anything like a reasonable performance from the boat. Most of the bronze/brass props I've had are of a coarser pitch, so maybe you should start with a 45mm cast one. I can recommend Protean Design's range, specifically the General Scale pattern. PM me if you would like Simon's contact details.
Hope to see you on Saturday at StickyWeed when we can have a good old natter.
DaveM
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I’ve now ordered the 750kv Turnigy motor with 4mm shaft and a new alignment tool and coupling for delivery next week.
I don’t like plastic propellers while I can afford brass and I’m wondering if downsizing the 50mm to 45 might be advantageous? Comments invited
I've just bought a Turnigy 2836/11 750kv for my Aeronaut springer. I'll be using it with a parallel pair of 5000mAH 2s LiPos, running a 40mm 3 blade Raboesch brass prop. Should be good for about 200watts.
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Cheers Dave
I have a few props from Simon already :-))
See you soon
Sounds good clockworks
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Hi Andy my models runs a 30 or 35 prop never had a large prop but I have no wish to influence your choice for info only.
Stan.
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Thanks Stan
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I've just bought a Turnigy 2836/11 750kv for my Aeronaut springer. I'll be using it with a parallel pair of 5000mAH 2s LiPos, running a 40mm 3 blade Raboesch brass prop. Should be good for about 200watts.
Too much grunt on a Springer turns
it into a diving boat.
Take it easy on the throttle stick.
Ned
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Too much grunt on a Springer turns
it into a diving boat.
Take it easy on the throttle stick.
Ned
Yes, I'll be fitting the batteries as far back as I can to try and help keep the bow up. I might have to use "dual rates" on the throttle to avoid mishaps.
If it proves to be too much, I'll fit something a bit smaller, and save the Turnigy for my lobster boat build.
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Just checked the prop on my model. Prop shop prop 30mm.
Stan
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Stan
What motor and what voltage are you running?
DaveM
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Hi DaveM 7.2 Nimh motor was a very old johnson 540 size. Now replaced with a M F A 540 not sure of full spec.I will see how if performs after refit.
Stan
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Bear in mind these boats ran between 12 & 18 kits. Of course if you have lb races there go for it!
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Thanks, Stan MFA motor specifications are here https://mfacomodrills.com/motors/motors.html (https://mfacomodrills.com/motors/motors.html)The 540 LN is much the slower of the two.
DaveM
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A few posts ref Springers have infiltrated this thread.
Would a Mod kindly move to the appropriate section
TIA
Ned
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A few posts ref Springers have infiltrated this thread.
Would a Mod kindly move to the appropriate section
TIA
Ned
Sorry about that. I originally posted on this thread because I have bought the same kit to do as my second build. I then posted that I have bought the same motor as the OP to fit in my first build. Not my intention to derail the thread.
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HI Dave the motor is re 540 /1 7500 at 6 volts with a stall current of 8 amps at 6 volts.
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Stan
If there's such a thing as a 'bog-standard 540' then that's it, so 7.2v with the 30mm prop should be OK - just like it was before the upgrade. My model had a 555 which is more torquey but a lot slower, hence my using a larger prop.
DaveM
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I noticed at the start that the cross sections of the plan show a rounded hull. I didn’t know how to relate this until chatting with Richard Shapiro on Facebook who noted the hard chine appearance that some modellers have adopted. This is probably very much easier than creating the original soft chine curves of the kit creators intention. I will be sticking to the plan to be authentic in shape.
Very much looking forwards to continuing next Tuesday
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I noticed at the start that the cross sections of the plan show a rounded hull. I didn’t know how to relate this until chatting with Richard Shapiro on Facebook who noted the hard chine appearance that some modellers have adopted. This is probably very much easier than creating the original soft chine curves of the kit creators intention. I will be sticking to the plan to be authentic in shape.
Very much looking forwards to continuing next Tuesday
Well on you for sticking with the rounded chine which was typical for that era lobster boat. For lobster boats the hard chine did not evolve until much later.
Bill :-))
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A busy day
I made a decision to plank the bottom rather than the sides first in contradiction to the instructions.
It would be very difficult to see that you had completely resin coated the inside with the sides on first.
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For glassing the inside areas I made paper templates to mark the cloth for cutting
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I added support for the modified custom length prop tube end. (modelboatbits)
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Repeated for other half
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Finished by resin coating all inside bare wood through the oval cut outs
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I concluded the instructions for marking out the side sheets was utter nonsense unless you have three hands.
I opted for making a paper template for these too . Then cut the balsa 1/2" oversize.
Once the side sheets are fitted the hull will be sanded to the profile of the plan bulkheads.
I'm not going to do these until my deck is ready.(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-bV4KsPJ/0/560a9132/X3/E784ABAF-CED2-4461-9BA8-5FCFF627EC71-X3.jpg)
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The eagle eyed may have noticed my transom is not to plan.
Somehow it ended up short in length so I have added another thickness of ply to correct this. I am using a deck skin on top of the original so this will fit to plan now I have made the correction and the ply edge will be covered over.
All will become clear later.
Another change to instruction manual
The side sheets will be a better easier fit if the bow blocks are fitted and shaped now. So this is my next job.
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Hi Andy I've sent you a couple of PM's re Loster Boats you may find interesting. Paul Zippy
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Yes Paul thanks sorry I didn't get around to reply yet :-))
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Prior to this build I looked long and hard for a kit.
This was the other option with GRP hull 33" long but I felt too expensive with import duty etc
http://www.bluejacketinc.com/kits/rclobsterboat.htm
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Heading the right direction
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Minimal filler required, basic shape is good enough for planking then final shaping
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This is the filler I'm using from Cornwall models. Been on my shelf 2 yrs, just add some water if it goes dry.
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A bonus of moving the motor is I can place batteries low right next to the keel.
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A sample of my decking on the access hatch . Yet to choose a colour finish
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A lovely job thus far, Andy. My Swordsman has a similar ply deck with laser-inscribed planking. For the darker areas (kingplank and toerails) I applied several coats of Rustins Light Teak woodstain with an old but clean cotton tea-towel followed by three brushed-on coats of slightly thinned Rustins Plastic Coating, which is a very hard two-pack clear varnish. The pale areas are not stained but they are varnished.
Dave M
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Thank you for the tips Dave :-)
Now the rudder frame. The plan calls for two wood screws supplied. This is pretty naff unless sealing over them rendering it fixed.
I want mine removable for future servicing
Here I cut the treaded part off two servo rod horn connectors (2mm thread) . I poured thick CA in the holes and stirred it around the sides and bottom of the drilled holes with a piece of wire . Then inserted with a screw and more CA and removed the screws before complete set.
The rudder frame made to the plan then I've lined the holes with brass tube and fitted with Araldite rapid before countersinking after dry. The brass tube is to prevent the wood crushing when the screws are tightened.
I have made it to accommodate the 50mm prop even though I'll be fitting possible a 45mm brass
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Then I've given a good coat of finishing resin and re tapped the holes before set
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Likewise to the frame . These will be sanded and coated again. For final fitment after paintwork I'll use silicon grease on the threads and mating surfaces.
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Im still toying with making the whole cabin removable
It would only require two cuts and it would lift off in one piece
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Point taken, but how much more access would you gain or need? I had similar thoughts when I built mine but there was plenty of access via the roof, which comes off in one piece. I concluded that with the fuss of having to build coamings and some sort of retaining device it just wasn't worth the effort... and that would be a tricky transition from the open cockpit area to the for'd cabin space with those staggered cabin sides.
My motto is KISS. I have a lot of respect for the person who designed this model so I won't be changing details that fundamental as/when/if I get around to building my #2. Now..... laser-inscribed deck overlays is another matter entirely!
Dave M
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These two threads should be very interesting for all. Seeing a very old model having to have a major refit and a new build of a very old kit. See the link below repairing my old lobster boat.
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=62785.new#new
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Well Dave mine is a very snug fit so would need no fixings.
The joint between deck and cabin is masked with the mahogany trim
I just think it makes the whole job of painting and detailing with it off and upside down easier
It sits level and secure in the slots at F1andF2
Still undecided :-))
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I’m really happy with this now and one more resin coat will finish it ready for primer
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coat 2
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For later
https://vod.ebay.co.uk/vod/FetchOrderDetails?itemid=232777955985&transid=1688467367013&ul_noapp=true (https://vod.ebay.co.uk/vod/FetchOrderDetails?itemid=232777955985&transid=1688467367013&ul_noapp=true)
Protean are at CADMA show this weekend so I will buy a prop :-))
I will be displaying Portgarth on Saturday
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Back to the detachable cabin scenario.
I propose two precision cuts at 45 angle
The lines are for impression only and will need to be moved to suit the rear section when it is trimmed flush to deck
Here
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and here
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The thickness of the cuts will be equal and negligible. The cabin can be moved back 1mm without being noticed leaving no gap.
The long side of the cabin has a natural tendency to spring outwards thus keeping itself tight to the deck edge
This additional brace out of sight maintains the width
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The mahogany trim on the bridge shelf hides the joint too
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If I may add my two-penneth gents - I did a similar thing with the Cranberry Isle version,
I made the whole cabin and rear well with additional false sides into a one piece lift off unit !
A floppy structure that required stabilizing with epoxy and matting,
this was left to dry and cast itself into a solid unit while jigged into position in the hull, worked all ok in the end.
Sadly was sold to a foreign gentleman at Beale Park who made me silly offer for my pair of Lobster boats
and they went back with him to Singapore ? HoHum.
Andy guessing your forward cabin sides may spring out of shape a little (flattening the curved sides)
if you make the cuts taking the tension out of the timber,
temporary cross braces in the cabin and with the roof glued on, it should form a nice solid structure,
an interesting little conundrum.
H'mm wondering if I still have the plans stashed in the collection ! tempted to build another,
they sit so nicely on the water and create a nice wake when on the move for a smallish model. Paul
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I think I'm going to complete the cabin then glue it %%
Rudder foot is a success but I need to build the keel up a bit due to the 4 layers of resin between the mating surface.
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Will look great with a Protean prop :-))
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Built a new front screen to fit
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For the door I’ve chosen to relieve the outline with scalpel and file rather than us pinstripe tape
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I got all this way and discovered the pulley block is missing from the kit :((
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MIne went AWOL when I repainted the hull so a kind member made me one from ali. Here's a drawing.
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Great Dave
I’ll sit back in the hope someone with a lathe takes the bait {-)
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I think this concludes the brass work
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MIne went AWOL when I repainted the hull so a kind member made me one from ali. Here's a drawing.
These are very close, possibly need the centre hole sleeving down in size
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Miniature-U-Groove-Guide-Pulley-Rail-Track-Ball-Bearings-Wheel-4x-13x-7mm/191890827747?epid=1863982768&hash=item2cad95a9e3:g:TkkAAOSwqBJXVqeZ
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Looking good Andy ! your cracking photo's are stirring up great memories for me,
and I've spotted something else I did on both models that might help you -
I chopped a big hole in the first bulkhead - turning it into a 3/4 inch approx wide outline frame,
this allows access to flood lots of of resin and matt around the underside of the deck / stem / side skin joints,
nothing like a bit of overkill !
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I like that Paul :-))
Where’s me drill O0
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A few minutes later. I'll expand on this :-))
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Voila. Thanks Paul
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All wood has now had a thorough coat of finishing resin ready for fine sanding and primer
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Just as I was in the process of making a motor mounting platform
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A very nice very very nice man knocked
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https://www.facebook.com/508612592/posts/10157121048127593?s=508612592&sfns=mo (https://www.facebook.com/508612592/posts/10157121048127593?s=508612592&sfns=mo)
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Frisky little devil, that motor!
DM
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Has a nice slow start and steady responsive control
Certainly won’t be too fast.
Memory is failing I cannot find my RPM measurer :((
EDIT
Found it!
5,400 no load speed with a charged 7.2 nimh
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The bed is now glassed in with SS nuts resined & clothed below.
Once set I'll remove the mount and replace the coupler with a microflex.
Hard to believe these excellent motors are less than £12
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There you are
In those immortal words of Shrek
That’ll do donkey that’ll do :-)
https://www.facebook.com/508612592/posts/10157121992297593?s=508612592&sfns=mo (https://www.facebook.com/508612592/posts/10157121992297593?s=508612592&sfns=mo)
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run all day
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This is the double sided tape I use
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I've only just fully understood the settings procedure for the ESC without a programming card so I have some fine tuning to do later today
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Nice, neat and even colour matched ! installation - r/c gear is wonderful in these modern times and relatively cheap !!
Another thought/suggestion re the cabin chopping - looking at that pretty interior it's not going to like water finding its wicked way into your electrics !
which it might if the cabs not glued and sealed in place as per instructions etc.
A trickier to build than a bog standard hatch coaming, but better waterproofing trick used in my offshore powerboat racing days,
was to sit the hatch/cabin sides in a U shaped channel, the inner side extended upwards, vertically as high as feasibly possible.
Simply built out of 1/16 ply vertical sides with a 3/16" or 1/4" square spacer to suit the thickness of your cabin sides plus paint thickness etc,
the cabin drops into the U channel and is reasonably watertight - to improve on this we fitted 1/4" square rubber gasket
glued to the top of the inner surface of the channel, this really did work well - but way over the top for Lobster Boats !
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Thanks Paul
I wouldn't go to those lengths, much easier to allow the odd bit of water to get in but place everything out of the path of drips :-)
The car ESC is waterproof too
My Shannon in early testing took loads of water in but never suffered water on the important bits.
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The tiller arm supplied has a rather large hole in it
So I ordered a 3mm one from Steve and drilled it out to 1/8
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Lovely crisp woodwork Andy
One thought, is there room to
secure the Orange RX in the
vertical. A tad more range
perhaps.
Ned
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Thank you Ned :-))
I use these same receivers in my RG65 yacht and it doesn't seem to mind orientation but its only fastened with tape if the fail safe ever kicks in I'll try a different position. Just now its there because of a cross brace on my cabin that may in the end be a demountable unit.
A very big thank you to SLEC O0 Laser-Cutting-Service.html (https://www.slecuk.com/balsa-wood/Laser-Cutting-Service.html) I can now crack on. Once fitted and trimmed I need to bite the bullet and settle on a finish. I cannot fit the side sheets until the deck is finished and protected.
Here I have just made the cuts for the hatch and will completely dry fit before laminating to the original deck ply with a coat of Aliphatic wood glue
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My DF65 has the same RX stuck
to the underside of the deck as
do all my yachts. Never a problem
with range on our large lake.
Ned
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A job for Sunday
See some of you at CADMA
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Taranis - I have been enjoying your build. You may find this for sale item interesting.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3318801-Midwest-Lobster-Boat (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3318801-Midwest-Lobster-Boat)
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Thank you
That’s quite a bargain if you live over there :-))
Nice pictures too and very timely ! as the plan does not show the location of the exhaust stack on the deck relative to keel line
Interesting that it has two forward speeds rather than proportional
Shows it’s age
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Special mention and thanks to DAVEM for his valuable help :-))
So rest of the deck dry fit and thanks to last post I have placed exhaust near enough
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:embarrassed: It was the boys at SLEC that did the hard stuff. All I contributed was a computer file.
BTW "The Gentleman" and I got on very well, Andy! :-))
DaveM
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The Gentleman being? The prototype builder ?
I’m now at Saltaire Brewery trying to restrain myself %%
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The Gentleman being? (My 'friends' are notorious - especially this one...) 8)
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I’m now at Saltaire Brewery trying to restrain myself
Why??
DM
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I’m now at Saltaire Brewery trying to restrain myself
Why??
DM
CADMA tomorrow displaying Portgarth and buying stuff {-)
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Fantastic evening at Saltaire Brewery only £2 a pint and direct from the keg.
The new opening created in F1 thanks to the suggestion from Paul happens to be big enough to house a sound unit . The Sense innovations ESS dual has already been used on my Portgarth and Shannon.
Here the original prototype build that was probably the mutts nuts in its day and still holds it's own today
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Definitely on the cards
This will fit either way
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Thank you Simon £17
Interesting that at CADMA show today the lobster boat attracted far more interest than Portgarth %%
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Hi Andy having done many shows over the years its no surprise that people like to see models under construction. The prop looks good I picked four for the Yamato from prop shop very good quality.
Stan.
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What I find amazing is just how many modellers have never heard of MAYHEM %%
Many don't even use the internet. I keep saying it's all on the forum with hundreds or thousands of photos and they look so completely out of depth
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In those other immortal words of Eric Morecambe You can't see the join .
At this stage I simply must decide on a deck finish. This needs to be complete and protected before any other work.
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This is a lovely build and lovely kit too. I cannot believe that its no longer manufactured its such a shame for our hobby. As for the deck get some maple on it - it'll look amazing :-))
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This is a lovely build and lovely kit too. I cannot believe that its no longer manufactured its such a shame for our hobby. As for the deck get some maple on it - it'll look amazing :-))
Thanks and I completely agree
Sounds good do you have a brand in mind and is it acrylic or solvent based?
P.S the more advanced modeller could make this from plan. I believe some Kirklees club members are doing this
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Just my two cents worth...lobster boats of this era had painted decks. No time to maintain a varnished deck. Pulling & resetting traps is a messy business.
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Hi Andy I meant real maple not a stain or paint mate. Some thin planks would bend very easily to make the shape of the deck and quick line of archival ink down the side of the plank to simulate the caulking would look great
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sakura-38081-Pigma-Brush-Pen-Black/dp/B0011457H0 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sakura-38081-Pigma-Brush-Pen-Black/dp/B0011457H0)
I would spend time on the deck as its such a prominent part of the boat :-))
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It wouldn't be varnished Bill not in the way you mean
The idea is to colour the wood and any finish over that would be matt to protect and waterproof.
So it will look natural like the Cutty Sark etc
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Hi Andy I meant real maple not a stain or paint mate. Some thin planks would bend very easily to make the shape of the deck and quick line of archival ink down the side of the plank to simulate the caulking would look great
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sakura-38081-Pigma-Brush-Pen-Black/dp/B0011457H0 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sakura-38081-Pigma-Brush-Pen-Black/dp/B0011457H0)
I would spend time on the deck as its such a prominent part of the boat :-))
Nice but that renders the laser etching by SLEC a waste of time
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There is a silver grey maple stain
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Or it gives you the perfect guide - just my thoughts bud :-)
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I think I'll primer the cabin now as I'm looking at too much bare would to be judgmental
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Has anyone experience of small proportional smoke generators to simulated diesel exhaust?
Tom Hugill?
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While looking for inspiration I found this interesting article https://www.boothbayregister.com/article/get-ready-some-awesome-wake-its-lobster-boat-racing-season/71672 (https://www.boothbayregister.com/article/get-ready-some-awesome-wake-its-lobster-boat-racing-season/71672)
Our (Maine) rules say the boats must be working lobster boats.”
Quality but too Shineeee for me
https://youtu.be/bBdP8y37OSM
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It wouldn't be varnished Bill not in the way you mean
The idea is to colour the wood and any finish over that would be matt to protect and waterproof.
So it will look natural like the Cutty Sark etc
Andy,
A grey teak look would work. Even that would show dirt, scuffs, dents & other warts caused by sea weed, mud, & the traps. Such mars would be mostly in the area of the pot hauling davit. Your build looks very good. Always look forward to your photos.
Don’t know if you saw them but in a separate post I added some photos of lobster boats in Plymouth Harbor. Felt more like hauling out weather rather than prepping for the season’s first set.
Bill
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Thanks I very rarely post without a picture included if not several
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Andy,
Here is a link that might interest you. It is focused on WILD WILD WEST, a 28’ Wesmac hull. WWW set a speed record for its class two seasons ago. It is not a working lb such as the ones in your posted link. IMHO
the races between the working boats are more exciting.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wild%20wild%20west%20lobster%20boat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m#ip=1 (https://www.google.com/search?q=wild%20wild%20west%20lobster%20boat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m#ip=1)
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Did that guy say 1000HP? That's the equivalent power of the PV-12 in the K5054 prototype Spitfire. That much poke just to haul lobster pots seems a bit like overkill to me. Are there really that few lobsters left in Maine?
DaveM
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My son just reminded me of a local shop that just specialises in wood coatings. I will visit tomorrow with some spare deck for sample colour testing.
I missed this tip. For sanding combings I used broad thin masking tape and course sandpaper. Then remove the tape and sand with 600 paper to flush. This is topped off with mahogany square section later.
I threw away the rear combing as it was poor ply and used an offcut of wood from the cabin sheets to remake so it's the same as the sides
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I'm starting to err towards this colour for roofs and hull sides with white cabin
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Did that guy say 1000HP? That's the equivalent power of the PV-12 in the K5054 prototype Spitfire. That much poke just to haul lobster pots seems a bit like overkill to me. Are there really that few lobsters left in Maine?
DaveM
Dave,
WILD WILD WEST is not a working lobster boat. It is designed strictly for the lobster boat races. Saw it run and got an up close look a few years back in Pemaquid, Maine. It has had a couple of flips and at least one sinking in it’s history. There are quite a few racing-only lobster boats on the Maine racing circuit.
Once again, I find the working boat races much more interesting.
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Chum
You still have a little to learn about the British sense of humour (humor), but don't let that stop you posting.
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While applying primer I can say that I have filled the grain with the earlier resin but still retained the appearance that it is wood. An affect that is desirable given that it is a wooden vessel unlike the Portgarth that had to look like steel. I have filled any holes and pits and re primered
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.... I very rarely post without a picture included if not several
:-))
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Andy, Your proposed color scheme looks good. Lobster boats are painted according to the skipper’s taste. Have you been thinking about a name? Keep the photos coming...they show a some fine build.
Thanks Dave. I pretty much got the humor...after all I understand down Maine humor. :} Entrance of these boats in the races rightfully stirs a lot of controversy with the lobstermen/women. Now let’s watch Andy’s progress. :-))
Bill
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Thanks Bill and Stan agrees on potential colour :-))
Yes my eldest daughter will be adorned across the Transom and appropriately Shelley-Ann :-) out of Hartlepool
She doesn't know
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Now please forgive my childishness but as this kit is for 14+ I could not resist {-)
They are of course unseen with the cabin in place :-))
Hobby King occasionally do prizes for photos of Turnigy equipped models so I'm prepared :-)
My cabin has the cross brace removed now so I've raised the Receiver Ned O0
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Happy with my decision :-))
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I know I could build this from a plan but thanks to HMRC I have some money like a windfall
So £37 after taxes
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-Products-Dinghy-all-wood-display-model-kit/254230915031?pageci=3eaba281-c3c4-49dc-8abc-58a7760b27a6&epid=1404111668#vi__app-cvip-panel (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-Products-Dinghy-all-wood-display-model-kit/254230915031?pageci=3eaba281-c3c4-49dc-8abc-58a7760b27a6&epid=1404111668#vi__app-cvip-panel)
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I've not been able to find a deck stain I'm happy with so rather than be at standstill I decided to mask the deck and fit the first sheet. I've now used TWO bottles of ZAP slow CA %%
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A lot of shaping to do once the other side is on but already looking sleek with a nice concave shape
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This is a trial of cabin colour on grey and white primer
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Inside view
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If I can find a clever way to overcome the rudder post I'd prefer to keep my working deck loose fitting and removable
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Rudder post issue resolved by cutting a panel out of the deck. The panel can be fixed and act as the servo mount location whilst still being able to remove the rest of the decking. Only achievable if the cabin is made removable :-))
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3rd incarnation of linkage now works a treat without any clashes and with hatch cover. Stops not set yet
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10157133758777593/ (https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10157133758777593/)
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I've finished cladding now and started contouring to the plan. I'm thinking I might do better to apply a thin coat of resin all over before starting with glass cloth. This could be in the water next week for speed trial now the rudder works
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I may get some cloth on tomorrow after the cinema and X-Men dark Pheonix
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Not my strong point but handy with sanding {-)
First piece of cloth
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Both sides now skinned and ready for resin high spots sanding down for second layer.
Could be in the lake on Sunday
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Matted off with 400 grit wet & dry. I've just applied a coat of resin the the Transom, Once set I'll start second coat of glass. Already feels very solid.
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My cabin colour
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That looks like Wedgewood Green, Andy. Not a colour I'd have thought of, but very interesting all the same.
DM
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Tamiya AS-29 GRAY GREEN (IJN)
a lovely finish
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Perhaps not what the instructions intended but I prefer things to be knock off proof.
This piece of wood was missing too but mine is harder.
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Very tight fit without glue
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I bought some more mahogany strip wood today . Some in the kit is poor but worse! the box is plenty long enough for parts but they supplied strips not long enough for the hull thus requiring joints
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Final piece of cloth.
Probably primer tomorrow. Shape feels good and I doubt much filling will be needed.
This will be dry enough to burn the midnight oil sanding.
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I have been sanding all day to the point that I'm satisfied. Not sure when these mahongany trims should be fitted but to me the time is now with CA direct to resin. The longer strips are much better quality than those supplied. This is where I stick my finger tips together :embarrassed:
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Her character is developing now. I really do like this colour
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I'm starting to like the deck plain
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Plan today is
1 clean up the craft room its in a state %%
2 make a stand for the model
3 fit the spray bars
4 fit the rubbing strips and resin them. paint can be sanded off when complete
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Just found this presumably for scratch builders :-)) £10.12 delivered
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233024452632
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No.1 took 3hrs <:(
no.2 done in a fashion, the stand templates are rubbish {-) will make a better one down river.
no.3 done after identifying water line
no.4 in progress.
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Oh, Andy! Are you going to have some fun masking those six short mahogany strips? Yup - I've been there and I did it (twice). Good fun!! O0
DaveM
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I'm not masking them Dave
I didn't like the idea of CA ing them to finished paint work %%
My plan is to apply resin and when painting is finished sand back to the mahogany. not bothered about the edges
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Yep - that's certainly a plan. Stan and I would err towards using cyano onto finished paintwork, but only because we've both done it that way before and had no trouble with it (mine on another subsequent build). I've also used so-called 'canopy glue' for the same purpose with no adverse results.
Wouldn't life be dull if we all thought and acted the same way? 8)
DaveM
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Alternatively I may mask the whole rectangle off and hand paint the spaces.
I have already used CA on the cabin.
Ignore the black line on the hull it's nothing to do with the water line but was to aid shaping the chines :-))
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Before retiring last night I soaked the working deck halves with rubbing alcohol (£6.75 litre delivered) and clamped them down to the sub deck to make them set to the shape
This morning they now sit very snug with no fixings at all
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"alcohol (£6.75 litre delivered)"........thats good value Andy %) ............did you purchase a truckload?..............
Not sure the planking spacing around the fore & aft lines for the lift out section is/are correct >>:-( .........Derek
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It’s as the plan Derek
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Tip time, take it or leave it :-)
I don't have years of experience but I have done a LOT of brass.
Etching primer does not perform on brass and car primer is too thick.
I use this chemical for all flux removal and cleaning.
I use exclusively Tamiya FINE primer for plastic & metal in grey or white.
Tamiya also dries fast and I top coat this in less than an hour.
For the crane to cabin fixing I've used a brass split pin and once formed around a same size steel rod I have soldered the split.
Once set up on the model at the right height and angle I've CA'd the pin to crane.
The instructions show brass nail through the top of the crane arm then bent to carry the pulley hanger.
I found this impossible and used brass wire instead and soldered a nut on top then filed to shape
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Its coming along beautifully mate - I'll give that Tamiya primer a go as I agree with you etch primer just does not quite bite into brass deep enough and comes off quite easily
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Thanks Mark. Yes Etch is meant for ferrous and aluminium. Just apply thinly nothing to gain from applying more than a covering and its expensive
The Pot winch was not to my liking and despite missing parts I was supplied with two cabin hatches.
The spindly legs were a fail too for me.
So I made it my way
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I've now fitted a brass washer to the exhaust base and piped it for a smoke unit. Painted helm and throttles
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Cab hatch and winch frame painted
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He loves it so far but he's keeping a close watch
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One for luck
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The inner hull sides and ribs will be white. The cabin bulked will likely be white to. The coaming below the mahogany kicker will be cabin colour.
For now I'm thinking white for the hull exterior but all may change when I colour the deck silver grey with OSMO oil (in the post)
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Lightbulb moment!
Hatch handle
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Screws way up the legs past the weak points
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PS please check your kits have the winch pulley!! if you have 2 by any chance I want it
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Just found this presumably for scratch builders :-)) £10.12 delivered
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233024452632 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233024452632)
I have this excellent book. Instructions are geared to a display model but with a lot of effort it probably could be converted to RC. In the 2010 Sep/Oct issue of Ships in Scale R.Royer adapted the plans to a miniature (24 cm) version which I constructed. Rather than impinge further on Andy’s thread I will post some photos of it on my lobster boats thread.
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Thanks Mark. Yes Etch is meant for ferrous and aluminium. Just apply thinly nothing to gain from applying more than a covering and its expensive
The Pot winch was not to my liking and despite missing parts I was supplied with two cabin hatches.
The spindly legs were a fail too for me.
So I made it my way
Andy,
Your installation of the pot hauler is more typical. For the snatch block that hangs from the davit you might want to consider the one sold by BlueJacket. Very realistic and the correct scale. Your boat is looking very good..excellent work.
Bill
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Thanks Bill :-)) Bluejacket are expensive to UK unfortunately. Still live in hope someone will make me one %%
The BJ lobster boat is $430 dollars plus shipping plus import duty etc . A quite ridiculous price
My calculation makes it £450 to UK buyers after taxes and shipping.
P.S. thanks for the correct terminology! I do struggle you may have noticed :embarrassed:
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Andy,
I was suggesting their snatch block might work for you. Depending on size, they range in price from 1.45 to 2.94 BP. Shipping costs probably more than the part. Yeah, their lb kit is expensive.
Apologies for sounding like I was issuing a correction. After all many things in the UK are termed differently than in the US. Those terms are just second nature to one who has been around lobstering. I hate to think of what words I might use to describe components of a puffer.
Bill
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Andy,
I was suggesting their snatch block might work for you. Depending on size, they range in price from 1.45 to 2.94 BP. Shipping costs probably more than the part. Yeah, their lb kit is expensive.
Apologies for sounding like I was issuing a correction. After all many things in the UK are termed differently than in the US. Those terms are just second nature to one who has been around lobstering. I hate to think of what words I might use to describe components of a puffer.
Bill
It didn't sound like a correction Bill thanks
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I've just addressed a problem that Stan pointed out to me.
The cabin roof warps in Sunshine and needs magnets.
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So much easier to do with a detachable superstructure :-))
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Last one today
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Good morning {-)
The provided white metal cleats are just not good enough for me infact there are no white metal fittings that I like at all :((
I found these in my parts drawer as a better solution.
Brass sticks very well to the plastic with CA
Pictures say more
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Decision time. One coat of cloth applied OSMO oil stain silver grey. a trial of a second coat will happen tonight.
The longer I look the more I like.
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I’m liking it! Will be interesting to see what a second application looks like on the trial panel.
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Thanks, sometimes you have to be brave. Applied with small brush
Gone the whole hog. 12 hr drying time then I'll decide what next if anything.
I need to be cracking on with the windows now (yes I'm doing glazing %% )
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I've just ordered the OSMO Polyx oil matt finish to top it off
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Pit stop
Looking back to first post I've had two weeks away on holiday so not much over two weeks building this. I estimate she's at about 80% complete. Happy so far with my off the wall choices but struggling now with hull colour above and below.
Some photos to help me focus and near 250 of them so far in this thread.
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Can anyone guess what I'm using this for ...................
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Insulation for exhaust stack.
Stan
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:-)) heck you're on the ball Stan 8)
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Pit stop
Looking back to first post I've had two weeks away on holiday so not much over two weeks building this. I estimate she's at about 80% complete. Happy so far with my off the wall choices but struggling now with hull colour above and below.
That's a smartly turned out crew.
I would appreciate scale (I'm currently looking to muster 1:24 deckhands) and source from which they can be press ganged.
Thanks in anticipation.
Popeye
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This build is 1:12 scale and the figures are from mountfleet models who also do other scales.
These pre painted at this size are £15 each
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This build is 1:12 scale and the figures are from mountfleet models who also do other scales.
These pre painted at this size are £15 each
Thanks Taranis
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Looking now at the sail cloth. The book says to brush Urathane (their spelling) into it. What product are Midwest refering to?
What is best for making the holes?
Thanks
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a synthetic crystalline compound used in making pesticides and fungicides, and formerly as an anaesthetic.
short for polyurethane.
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I found that word for word on google too O0 Yanks can't spell
Thanks Dave
enough cloth for two just in case :embarrassed:
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The heat shield sprayed with Tamiya Nato black. I'm quite pleased with this idea and will certainly find other uses.
Tamiya silver leaf spray makes it look just like hydraulic brake line braid
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The mast is primed and finished in Tamiya white. The top of the mast will be finished in another contrasting colour
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I'm strongly erring towards dark green or BRG above the waterline. I've ordered some paints from wonderland models Edinburgh as currently they have 10% off Tamiya which covers the postage if you buy enough.
The continual presence of the band saw it giving me subliminal messages {-)
Either that or a shade in the red spectrum
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A test picture for Martin :-)) it's not all about the camera, it's equally about the file size and web hosting.
This is still not the full size on my hosting site but click it for an example of resolution at near original with no compression.
This is iPhone XS max point and shoot
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My experience indicates to me that image size is the issue. I post in several other places where image size is never a problem. Perhaps it is a matter of cost for server allocation which is understandable. However, if the image size limitation could be eliminated posting would probably increase a lot.
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I pay less than £1 per week for unlimited picture storage that has proven reliable for a decade unlike photo bucket {-)
My images are backed up in three servers across America by smugmug :-))
Can’t even buy a half pint of beer for that.
However I’ve gone off topic and this has been discussed in the past
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Looking good Andy !
I remember spending many hours on early (crashing) versions of 'Google Earth' searching harbours along the coast of Maine for colour scheme ideas,
plumped for boring safe old white on my model, but I recall similar nicer pale greens like yours,
lots of light blues even yellow seemed popular in one area (poss. Bar Harbour?).
Looking at your pics, reminds me of one thing that bugged me at the time of building mine -
what a shame we have to paint the hull ! but the full size are all painted, hey ho.
Re the sail, looks like they want you to varnish it ?
this goes back to good old fashioned 1940's model yachting practice when they did varnish cotton sails - see VMYG website for info.
I don't recall doing this, might have used weak Tea to mucky it up a tad and mrs Zippy to sew a hem or two.
You can use teeny tiny brass eyelets to make the holes and stitch the seams or
my latest build - the small free sailing yacht, we were messing about with at Mayhem,
uses modern white kite rip-stop nylon sails,
whereby holes are melted with a hot needle and seams made with 1/4inch double sided tape.
Another idea - you could make an easier, cheats version and have the sail rolled up around the mast !
which is probably how the full size would spend most of its time - might look nice/different.
regards Paul
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I think the varnish is as much to stop the cloth fraying. I’d rather have the sail working it would add interest to playing with it :-)
Yellow also crossed my mind but the shade would be so very important with that option
Red and green both go well also if the shade is right and I will do test cards first
Thanks Paul all food for thought :-))
P.S I’m sticking with Tamiya spray as it has a nice sheen and touching up is very easy without respraying a whole panel as it blends itself so well
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This just arrived to top coat the deck stain
I have a piece of deck with different amounts of stain on to test with this. At the moment she only has one coat.
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Andy,
If your have not already planned to do so you might consider making the staysail removable by lifting the mast out. It’s presence is going to alter the maneuverability of the boat causing it to be more wind-set among other things. The staysail’s purpose is to reduce wave-induced rolling while trap hauling and to keep the head of the boat into the wind. You probably already know this so I may be preaching to the choir. :-))
Just a suggestion.
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Thanks Bill
The manual says not to glue and I would not have glued it if it did :-))
Most of my model is dismantle-able
No I did not know it’s true purpose thanks again
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My mast is a snug fit without using a wedge as per instructions
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I've settled on a single coat of the stain and now applied the matt oil which is still drying.
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I'm going to ballast her tomorrow for a maiden sailing at Kirklees on Sunday. No need for paint as she's tight as a drum.
Weather permitting! Flaming June as usual for that last few years has been flaming raining
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This will be delivered tomorrow :-)
Compared to retail price in its day in USA the near £37 I've paid to import it seems dear BUT realistically not much over what you might expect to pay at a local model shop today
Rare as rocking horse doo doo
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-Products-Dinghy-all-wood-display-model-kit/254230915031?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-Products-Dinghy-all-wood-display-model-kit/254230915031?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
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Enough today. Almost fully dry. Not unhappy
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I think motor esc and prop are all about right
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master.m3u8 (https://videos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-JzHrQh4/0/SMIL/JzHrQh4.smil/master.m3u8) Will sound better out in the open with cabin windows fitted.
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Looks like you nailed it with the ballast.
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Looks like you nailed it with the ballast.
Two 5000mah batteries and quite a weight of lead shot so plenty of room for adjustment :-))
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I just upgraded my 4 yr old MacBook Air to the new one with Retina display today and the pictures on the screen are unbelievably better.
I've just done the first primer in between the rain.
No filler needed so far just high spots
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I'm happy that the profile is to the plan
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One more round of sanding and a final prime should see it ready for finishing
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Aha! Now I know who owns the rescue boat that displayed such a realistic wake at Wicksteed.
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Aha! Now I know who owns the rescue boat that displayed such a realistic wake at Wicksteed.
She's waiting patiently for July when the rain stops I hope.
Once the window openings are fixed I can spray the cabin and move on
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A bit of filling required being my over critical self but done and now being left to fully harden.
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So now I have to get serious about hull colours
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Looking now at the sail cloth. The book says to brush Urathane (their spelling) into it. What product are Midwest refering to?
What is best for making the holes?
Thanks
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Another task mastered :-))
With Bill's contribution and google this is a mizzen or steadying sail to help keep the boat facing the wind while hauling.
For information sharing I used Halfords satin lacquer on the cloth but any would do. For rigging rather than punching holes I threaded the cord around with a darning needle. All the markings are marked in pencil before the lacquer
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To be able to remove my working decks my servo also needs to be easy to take out.
I cut the mountings off this excellent mid size servo from hobbyking (6 of in my Shannon) and made a bracket that would hold the servo upright whilst the transom slopes away. The servo is CA'd to the brass.
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I have a more than double thickness transom due to an error early in the build so this has been doubly rewarding now.
I used some shorts screws and screwed them in as far as I dare without breaking through then cut them down to a safe length.
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Servo lead connection under sub deck.
Also good shot of my deck finish on SLEC lazered ply :-))
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Rudder travel set to 70 in servo settings
Video
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Thats a very neat solution for the servo - tidy :-))
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Thats a very neat solution for the servo - tidy :-))
Thanks yes I had three attempts to arrive at this compact reliable solution :-)
Shown hard to starboard
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I mentioned earlier that the drawing templates for the display stand are terrible.
This took me an hour including making cardboard templates. I think I'll finish it with the silver grey deck stain as I have hardly used any .
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I can now use this to aid marking the waterline
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Agree with you on the template for the stand.
You might find this interesting.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3335127-Lobstering-in-the-Northwest-Atlantic-Gulf-of-Maine (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3335127-Lobstering-in-the-Northwest-Atlantic-Gulf-of-Maine)
I also sent it to Stan.
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Thank you Bill
Fathers day here in Blighty 8) unfortunately I discovered an error whilst re establishing the water line. The starboard spray bar was out of parallel so I've had to hack it off make a new one and resin coat again :embarrassed:
Once I've regained my place I plan to paint below the waterline first and work upwards.
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Time to relax
Thanks kids :-))
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Not raining this morning :-)) Once dry the prop the rudder shoe and rudder can all be fitted for good :-)
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"The starboard spray bar was out of parallel" ......I looked at that in the stern view of post #284, but assumed an optical illusion :o
So anyway........Happy drinking that Elephants .....{***] Beer :-))
Derek
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Stern was fine it was leading edge too low
Love all Belgian beers
Daughter bought me a 15 bottle mixed case for dads day :-)
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Loctite 243
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Agonising choices but I think this is next
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I'm now seeing other colours in my mind. I even like the grey %%
Possibly a cream too {:-{
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Andy
If you paint the hull cream then it really will look like it came out of the Wedgewood factory. Nice, though...
DaveM
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I have 4 tins of Rover Arum white that might look nice in gloss. The tug is all satin lacquered
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Is that the colour of the superstructure on Portgarth?
DM
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Is that the colour of the superstructure on Portgarth?
DM
Yes Arum White but in Satin
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I think the grey primer looks just fine. Authentic also. LB’s are usually no gloss finishes. When do you think you will splash it?
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Already did further back :-))
Grey primer with matt lacquer then :-)
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Already did further back :-))
Grey primer with matt lacquer then :-)
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Great choice IMHO.
I did see the indoor launch...looked good. Actually I look forward to seeing it run.
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Perfect day, barely a wind. Needed re priming anyway and should go darker with lacquer.
Once lacquered if I like it I'll sand off the faces of the hull protection strips then lacquer again over mahogany
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-rxCBPFW/0/4b639842/X2/7B741DE5-27C5-4D2C-AD7B-33204D61B198-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-mT2XVtf/0/7c64da43/X3/A1BAF192-2B05-4400-806F-3463B9D41A4F-X3.jpg)
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Great choice IMHO.
I did see the indoor launch...looked good. Actually I look forward to seeing it run.
Aah yes. It's only Wednesday so Lacquer tomorrow and if no changes she should sail Sunday even though there is still much to do the functionality is there
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You might consider just scuffing the haul strips. Will make the strakes look like they do after several hauls.
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An idea but I don't do weathering and stuff and once you start where do you stop.
I have my own style of clean and crisp :-))
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To match the mast head
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-Xq2Kvn2/0/ba004392/X2/08D42105-F08D-401E-A021-7DEE9FB882F8-X2.jpg)
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An idea but I don't do weathering and stuff and once you start where do you stop.
I have my own style of clean and crisp :-))
Of course you should remain true to what is pleasing to your eye. I like to try to capture the reality of my builds. My sport fishermen have very little weathering since a charter boat captain would not obtain many customers with a boat that appeared to be worked very hard. Same with my modern day LB....since it is glass-hulled & easier to maintain they seldom look as weathered as the older wooden hull boats. I like my tugs to reflect the hard work they do everyday so weather them rather heavily.
All that said, diversity in how one interprets what they are building is to me a major plus when I think about our hobby. Good that we all view things through a different lense.
Looking forward to pics of your launch.
Bill
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Nice shape
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-5s8Ltrj/0/f61b5333/X3/5D0F6141-CF66-4A5E-BF55-A310F9C02648-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-cFsDqQZ/0/decd8f23/X3/BB8E1A46-B3EF-445E-88BD-5FBB35EB8C22-X3.jpg)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-pS6hcTr/0/2f96e798/X3/1E3D2FFA-0CEB-4C09-9628-4301F8A2CF29-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-63dL2D9/0/05908a9d/X4/EFA68759-D0EB-415C-8160-6CF38854E210-X4.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-5WjSr4c/0/5bcdc510/X3/94CF1990-3697-4775-8A06-31C6858A7E54-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-hwfJKVX/1/aaeee4fb/X4/D6ADC260-CD02-4730-AAC9-0D3B3BCB693F-X4.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-bCv9fRv/1/62eebd4a/X4/3B892069-E50C-4E55-81A0-57B4A8D91D34-X4.jpg)
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Hi Andy I love battleship grey.
Stan
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Will someone PLEASE make Andy a pulley block??!!
DM
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A pristine lobster boat, fresh off
the ways oop in that there Yorkland :-))
Think we need a new section on
here, "Andy's Grand Designs"
Ned
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Thanks {-) the last 10% should last me while September %%
Strakes sanded off and the whole hull will be re lacquered when the stern decals (Chris Gillespie) are applied.
Not sure about a waterline yet. I might add a black pin strip with tape and if I don't like it remove before lacquering
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-ZqLjJ2D/0/aab790c8/X3/8F703A74-0454-462F-A8DE-11EFA317FCFE-X3.jpg)
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Will someone PLEASE make Andy a pulley block??!!
DM
O0
I've ordered a pack of those bearing pulleys from China, maybe ok :kiss:
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Hi Andy I love battleship grey.
Stan
Me too {-) Watch out for the deck gun :-)
FYI this is Hycote primer which is a lighter shade than Halfords :-))
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Will someone PLEASE make Andy a pulley block??!!
DM
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Would Mast Man have summat suitable?
Ned
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Would Mast Man have summat suitable?
Ned
Probably make me one but I'd prefer metal. Plan B perhaps Ned
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Squires do a 4mm brass pully block. Any good?
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Squires do a 4mm brass pully block. Any good?
No but thanks
its about 13mm diameter
EDIT
from DaveM
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62915.msg666319.html#msg666319
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I just looked on Cornwall model boats and there's lots of pulleys / sheaves to chose from around that size. Brass if you prefer. Personally I'd just dig the compass cutter and make one from 3 polystyrene discs personally. Old pennies could be recycled or used as templates also.
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Thanks but generally too narrow
I ordered these and will sleeve the centre to the correct size
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Miniature-U-Groove-Guide-Pulley-Rail-Track-Ball-Bearings-Wheel-4x-13x-7mm/191890827747?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Miniature-U-Groove-Guide-Pulley-Rail-Track-Ball-Bearings-Wheel-4x-13x-7mm/191890827747?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
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I've added lead shot either side of the keel set in resin.
In addition a bucket of lead shot on deck and a bag in front of the motor. I have plenty of scope for adding details to the model with no fear of being too heavy.
Still not down to the line but looking good.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-H5w6wrV/0/34a9f5d6/X2/01EDA722-C057-4B68-B2A3-06529D78C149-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-MZjm8D2/0/93581676/X2/71AE268B-4651-4FBA-BF4B-415B1E44031B-X2.jpg)
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She would be quite happy at 3.6kg
Currently at (see below) with removable ballast and 2x 5000 NiMh
Hopefully will see on Sunday whether to up the KV on the motor or not
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-KB2NVF8/0/3a8a8cba/X3/68AB19ED-B6BE-4625-90F8-ED3447F31406-X3.jpg)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-QBrQVr9/0/41a16d11/X3/EF8AA2D2-E470-40D6-93BE-CF17C7181D65-X3.jpg)
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Colour returned to strakes with matt lacquer
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I like that battery removal loop idea.
I ordered the ebay build book that you linked to here a while ago. Just had my money refunded, as the seller can't get the book from his supplier.
Probably won't need it anyway, because pretty much everything has been covered by this thread and Stan's rebuild thread.
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I like that battery removal loop idea.
I ordered the ebay build book that you linked to here a while ago. Just had my money refunded, as the seller can't get the book from his supplier.
Probably won't need it anyway, because pretty much everything has been covered by this thread and Stan's rebuild thread.
:-))
Yes I was refunded too
There are other sellers with actual stock but I decided not to bother too
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Don't know too much about these boats but sure I've seen similar ones in real life on my travels. The 'marker buoy": is that a permanent fixture on the roof so folk know which pots belong to which boat?
Not sure I fancy sailing one with the mizzen sail up though. Might make steering "interesting".
Am interested in your faith of the tamiya spray primers. I've had no luck at all. Maybe I had a couple of tins from a bad batch.
Rich
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Tried a similar way of removing
batteries, but the adhesive did
not like the warmth from the
discharging batteries.
I managed with cyano after removing
The sticky pad residue.
Ned
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Don't know too much about these boats but sure I've seen similar ones in real life on my travels. The 'marker buoy": is that a permanent fixture on the roof so folk know which pots belong to which boat?
Not sure I fancy sailing one with the mizzen sail up though. Might make steering "interesting".
Am interested in your faith of the tamiya spray primers. I've had no luck at all. Maybe I had a couple of tins from a bad batch.
Rich
Only the FINE primer that says for metal is any good
Yes to the bouy
Not sailed yet will let you know
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Tried a similar way of removing
batteries, but the adhesive did
not like the warmth from the
discharging batteries.
I managed with cyano after removing
The sticky pad residue.
Ned
The pads I use are ok :-))
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I always heat these type of pads up before sticking down (hairdryer works) it practically doubles the bond of the sticky pad. Even rubbing hard with a thumb before peeling the film off works ok. Some cheap tiewrap bases are really hit and miss, a 3M logo on the pad makes a big difference. I do similar things with batteries but usually use masking tape or insulating tape to make little tabs you can pinch between fingers. Bit like you get in TV remotes / smoke alarms .
Noted re tamiya, I think their regular plastic primer sucks.
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Just wipe with isopropanol before applying
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Ready for first open water test at Wilton Park tomorrow :-)
I'm hopeful the motor choice is adequate but it's not expensive to swap for a higher KV if required
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Its the little details that I really like about this build - The strakes look great on the side of the hull and it must have been a very meticulous job to get them back to wood. Looks great on the water too :-)
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Its the little details that I really like about this build - The strakes look great on the side of the hull and it must have been a very meticulous job to get them back to wood. Looks great on the water too :-)
Thanks and not really Mark
The strakes were covered in Finishing resin before painting and all I have done is sand the face off back to the resin :-))
Actually an easy cheat. The instructions called for them to be CA'd onto finished paintwork which although it works I think my option is better and more secure
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I'm with you on this - its no good gluing onto a painted surface as its only as good as the adhesion of the paint to the sub layer. Its not going to last in the long term so your solution is simple but very effective - nice one!
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I'm with you on this - its no good gluing onto a painted surface as its only as good as the adhesion of the paint to the sub layer. Its not going to last in the long term so your solution is simple but very effective - nice one!
Thanks I thought so
They are CA'd to the resin glass hull then resined over then painted over then lacquered over after sanding. Pretty permanent {-)
Likewise the spray bars! they are meant to be attached after painting too %%
Stan will supervise tomorrow after a late change of plans :-)
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I bet no one would know that my cabin is not glued on either unless they read this thread :-)
Almost everything is detachable
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Is there a good reason why people have throttle on left and rudder on right stick ?
I’m thinking to be able to film and take photos it would be better to have rudder on throttle stick
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I've not tried to swap them over yet, but I guess it would depend to some extent whether you're left or right handed?
Regards
Ray.
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Definitely phone in right hand {-)
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Is there a good reason why people have throttle on left and rudder on right stick ?
I’m thinking to be able to film and take photos it would be better to have rudder on throttle stick
Andy
For goodness sake don't go there! It's like asking what the best make of car, TV, microwave or RC gear is.The concensus seems to be that people who started with 2 channel "stick" radios are used to throttle left, while many converted aeromodellers will stay with throttle right if that's the way they flew their aeroplanes. Naturally there are exceptions to both rules, which makes life more interesting.
DaveM
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So it’s not set in stone then :-)
For the benefit of tomorrow only I’ll swap rudder to throttle stick :-))
It’s not a left or right stick issue so much as both on same stick
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Good luck with that - I think you're going to need it O0
Regards
Ray.
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Sailed absolutely perfect. Turns on a sixpence like a club 500.
Full throttle is quite believable so a good guess with 750kv and 7.2v NiMh
Produces a great wake behind.
Very difficult to film with one hand
Sail causes no problems at all.
I have reverse on the ESC set to 25% this is not enough, will try 50%
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-ScjnVnb/0/ee4bb36b/L/157ABDCD-8D73-4546-A1FF-39F3A635EBD9-L.jpg)
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Looks good afloat.
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Thanks sorry picture doesn't do justice. Now have to wait for other club members to finish theirs for some racing O0
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I watched the video on Facebook this morning. It looks great under way. You have done a wonderful job there.
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Thank you sorry the video is such bad quality. Looks much better lakeside
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Maybe a bit better from here now https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-r6hxRRZ/0/91503e47/1920/63317A57-8093-481E-8EF1-FDCA3A7F8B6A-1920.mp4
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Hi Andy,
super job on the lobster boat and looks fine on the water. Congratulations.
Wilhelm
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Thank you :-)
I’ve just had a look at the static version kit 953 that I have on my shelf
The pulley is present but a rather out of round crap white metal offering.
I also noticed the lobsters are the same size so quite a good catch {-)
I may just build this :-))
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Next time out I will try the 3s LiPo batteries for fun and at least 3000rpm extra %% a 4volt difference nominal.
I will have to add a piece of lead sheet to each battery
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-nHWffFW/0/a9825e17/X3/E8F20BCA-BA22-4183-8E1E-997A50656496-X3.jpg)
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Lobster traps tip
I had several attempts at soaking the strip with isopropanol as instructed and the wood would not bend without snapping.
Plan B soak in boiling water, I have an instant hot tap.
No problem then :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-tbxqqzR/0/f9124d8d/X3/C23AD3C7-4FC4-48FB-926F-DD271A3033FE-X3.jpg)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-6m8PxsG/0/8a31c54a/X3/9EB39F34-CEB2-481A-BF67-BF9CA86EC09F-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-HL6Q7gd/0/f053a23f/X3/80BA2DE1-E376-493F-BA57-C240F56B65BB-X3.jpg)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-HhRqGdt/0/dec9393d/X3/9D32205C-37F3-48DC-A63A-E622B58471C5-X3.jpg)
I made a bit of a cock of it but the lacquer disguises
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-NwRpzBr/0/dc33c036/X3/ECB1FA4F-4E78-4127-9E36-2B450E453DCF-X3.jpg)
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Thank you China :-))
£2.99 for 10 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Miniature-U-Groove-Guide-Pulley-Rail-Track-Ball-Bearings-Wheel-4x-13x-7mm/191890827747?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-Dm6fW6Z/0/d277c231/X3/DC73F149-EE0F-4C32-A67D-F0ED67232789-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-n8NPTCb/0/80221fe5/X3/198895A2-2553-406D-A2C3-306143919F46-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-HGmQ8rK/0/f6a5a88a/X3/AB04A0A1-4792-4E1E-A211-19F494C02F61-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-zLqMCJx/0/612bcbf9/X3/32F1A023-5FE8-443A-981C-8EAE66915669-X3.jpg)
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Anyone want the smaller version ?
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192957717835 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192957717835)
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We will have place on the club calendar next year a lobster boat meeting at Wilton Park.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Good idea :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-Nj3rHtP/0/5985b9ea/X3/4469B821-5330-4888-A9A8-410F43192D73-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-9RBXVGz/0/69c3afa8/X4/42989E55-D023-450D-9B72-7D1AFB25EDDC-X4.jpg)
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This just gets better and better :-))
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This just gets better and better :-))
Thank you and still no windows {-) Still a way to go :-)
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Hi Andy The repairs are almost finished and she is back to how she looked thirty years ago.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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I’ll be happy if I’m still here for Shelley - Ann ‘s 30th :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Kirklees-MBC/i-f22jS63/1/11288b92/X2/DSC_0070-X2.jpg)
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Some of Mac's mouldings. Tubs are handy as moveable ballast with lead shot
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-4MHLV34/0/0d0d153c/X3/E4DAE700-7B3E-4A4D-9C33-65BE049941C3-X3.jpg)
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It's worth putting in the effort to round these off along their length. Once fitted its quite a transformation. Roof ones to do then windows. Also looking at other equipment for the roof
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-vBZVh8v/0/c7cbecca/X3/3622DA3F-DD65-422B-BB24-00E8BFE83AA8-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-WDsZZNq/0/d2ac0cd4/X3/6609052A-831A-4A80-B4D6-75FDF68C3719-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-58QgDBt/0/4925d766/X3/AEA124A8-AD6E-4939-BD94-609D537E8AD3-X3.jpg)
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Looks great Andy
Went with decals 1. i see :-))
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Yes centre thanks
I ruined the first and again with the second the top edge of the film folded back underneath itself and I could not rectify it but barely visible when blathered :-))
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Those who know my history know of my aversion to windows {-)
This model is ages 14+ so I'm not going to embarrass myself :-)
The front windows are to go on the outside and the sides on the insides.(to the instructions)
I've discarded the provided very old glazing supplied and I'm using this
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-dxn9gcH/0/86d39a00/X3/49C11B86-DF1A-4AFE-9024-AD1A7311681B-X3.jpg)
So I've made paper templates of the fronts to help cut glazing exactly to fit the openings with no overlap.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-m2LmDSh/0/1d7a3c67/X3/19F97DCA-0169-4492-BEA2-87B4EBAB677B-X3.jpg)
Then I've used my own stock of wood to trim with cockpit glue
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Perfect fit
only two more of these
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-JrTjRWG/0/558c9f84/X3/321BA83B-BE00-4DB9-8F2D-83EF605DB1C8-X3.jpg)
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Had to have a look
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-gSPgbgc/0/c230b076/X3/6E550191-1DA9-4C7F-8FBD-08CDC9920238-X3.jpg)
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I've been unable to be free of marks on my glazing :(( but by the time she's sailed a few times I guess it won't matter.
Now three side windows to do internally
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-NnVZmsC/0/2059d2d4/X3/D932ABD9-502E-44FF-A8EA-9DB03D0B018B-X3.jpg)
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Hi my glazing shows its age nothing to get up tight about looks good.
Stan
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Andy Try some toothpaste to get rid of marks on the glazing BUT TRY it on a spare piece of glazing first....it works well on Car headlamps that have gone cloudy.
Dave
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Thanks Dave but absolutely any attempt to remove marks with anything other than breath will create more marks. It will be forgotten with usage :-))
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More Macs
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-x3CSDpc/1/e4ae9eba/XL/DC0F6CC2-9907-46B2-AAA2-6F68CA28C4B7-XL.jpg)
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Sailing tomorrow :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-RDQL5t5/0/beb47186/X3/65A65DCF-00E6-4FD2-804D-1DE9B3732767-X3.jpg)
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Yesterday I bought some Graupner Nav lights Aero type and I'm now looking for a suitable sized enclosed radar.
She sailed great on Sunday so no changes to motor or batteries. HOWEVER steering in reverse is a bit hit and miss especially to port which I put down to LH prop
I've decided against a water line and just taken advantage of the morning Sun to give a final ALL OVER of matt lacquer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-qNdZ6kx/0/4f28d07c/X3/78E5343C-BC49-49D6-89EE-F863D2D17552-X3.jpg)
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-LNwmj5N/0/c6bb766a/X3/DBA9F288-6102-4DEB-8876-10EA29BA0AA5-X3.jpg)
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Those would not be legal on a vessel or an aircraft
come to that. Rivet Counters would have a hissy fit
seeing those on a vessel.
Ned
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Meanwhile ......
A super video
https://youtu.be/YjnlVnGTeww
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Hi Taranis We have been running in tandem with these lobster boat builds/repairs. Final ballast checks done today the motor which is little sluggish needs replacing just the dinghy to repaint now.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Gents,Very nice jobs on your builds. Weathered and spanking new, both look the part. About the cats though... you are aware, no doubt, that on this side of the Pond, we use fish for bug bait. I fear your cats will end up in a trap as bait {-)
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Just caught up with this Andy, fantastic job and a very quick build, kicking myself I didn't get one now before they all went
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HI Andy all the work needed to repair my model is now complete final pictures placed on the thread. Back now to the grey funnel line.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks Akira and Paul
I’m really tempted to build another from the plan they really are a pleasure to build
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Mine has more work to do Stan but I’m restarting my Shannon after our current trip
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Stan, you have done a wonderful job - - - again !!!!.
Looking forward to seeing the boat in real Life !!.
John. :-)) :-)) :-))
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First of the three side windows glazed from inside with mahogany trim
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Why do so many boats have a stand for the Radar that leans forwards. Does it somehow relieve the wind force transferred to the roof
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/b8/a5/71b8a5706dd71d29eb83c7d1993d8f1c.jpg)
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I'll decide on this when painted and detailed(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-5gw5LdH/0/1e949b31/X3/3BB0189C-0962-42B0-9B36-DEADDCC71320-X3.jpg)
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Why do so many boats have a stand for the Radar that leans forwards. Does it somehow relieve the wind force transferred to the roof
When the hull is on plane the bow is angled upward. Raking the radar mount forward is an attempt to keep the radar array parallel to the waterline to improve fidelity.
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Sorry Bill bit I just don’t see that
Regardless of the angle of the post if the radar is level at standstill and the boat goes into a plane it will still go out of level
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Exactly my take on it Andy :-))
Think it's just aesthetic.
Ned
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I’ve just had a google and found that an angle of 3 or 4 degrees is advised but this is regardless of the angle of the post. It still applies on any mounting so doesn’t explain the angled post.
Also the other boats in that picture don’t use a leaning mount
I think it is to get the radar as far forwards as possible
https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2014/june/mounting-a-radome.asp (https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2014/june/mounting-a-radome.asp)
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Ease of maintenance, maybe? You can reach it by standing on the cabin roof and you wouldn't need to lean over the cockpit roof to acces the radome.
DM
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We'll happen never know Dave
I've remodelled and painted but not need to spend a fiver on a sheet of Becc decals
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HI My model is to early for radar your build is looking good. Still need to test mine but once again things get in the way.
Stan.
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Thanks Stan, see you Sunday :-))
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Now I need a mast and aerial
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Can't decide on a lifering or not. This wall looks favourite
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Certainly that is true Andy. If one gets down in the weeds with the initial installation, an inclinometer is used to determine bow angle at plane. The radome or the open array is then installed while the hull is at rest to look downward at an angle equal to the upward plane angle.That way the radar operates parallel to the water while underway. BUT, that is getting WAY down into the weeds. O0 Besides running takes place at different speeds and thus different angles. There are many reasons for the angled mount including those mentioned herein. If one is in a situation where a 3 or 4 degree angle makes a difference in the display fidelity one is having a really bad day. {:-{ Not all boats have an angled mount...many lobster boats have their radars mounted on an arch along with search lights, antennas, etc.
Makes for an interesting discussion.
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Mine is pointing down 3.5 degrees O0 {-)
It will never work though as its constructed from ladies cosmetic tops %%
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Mine is pointing down 3.5 degrees O0 {-)
It will never work though as its constructed from ladies cosmetic tops %%
Excellent...you have minimized your radome’s cone of silence.
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Example pic isn't supporting the argument much. Out of the 5 boats, one has fwds pointed mount, one straight, one mounted (looks like) on the roof, and the one in the back, bit difficult to see but looks straight, or on a frame. One has no radar at all.
Not seen a "preference" for forwards pointing in UK boats anyway, strange I did wonder also why in some pics why lobsterboat models had a backwards and bent pole for the steaming light, rather than just straight up. Fashion maybe??
...Apologies, I "quoted" the relevant pic. but the forum seems to remove the image. Tried 2 or 3 times to correct so you'll have to remember the pic I'm refering to above.
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Lobstermen/women are all staunch individualists. They do what they think is right for them. Explains the differences you see in lobster boats from hull, engine choice, right hand/left hand, radar installation, & anything else you can think of. Well on them!
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Your sctarch built effort looks good though! But beware a potential problem I had with BECC stickers for labelling exactly the same thing. They advertise 2 different sheets of stickers at different scales with the same product code! I ordered one and got the other, seller wasn't very sympathetic though it was entirely their mis-advertising. Hope you get the right sized sticker sheet / labelling, my radar stickers cost a tenner instead of a fiver, just kept the other stickers for future use on other models.
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Thanks Rich
I've already ordered 1/10 and 1/12 scale from CMB
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Aerial added.
Flagpole base painted Humbrol chrome. Carbon antenna Tamiya white
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As I approach the finish line I'm wondering how the other three lucky people are doing with their kit?
I'm itching to build another
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Hopefully I will not have do anything with mine now for years after its repair . Good luck to all you builders hope all goes well.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Just looked up the designation for a group of lobsters - it's known as a 'pod' so, if you ever get a few together for a sail you could call yourselves the pod fleet %) .
Regards,
Ray.
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I’m hoping the other Kirklees members who are building from plan get their act together so we can race {-)
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I'm going to have to do some shots with a full size camera. The iPhone although good is not a big enough aperture to capture without distortion. This model looks so much better in the flesh.
Anyway I just love this shape despite the distance in the image being made smaller by the small lense
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-25q84sj/0/d8dafdc2/X3/3BC94F56-ECA0-46A9-BD57-8A38C324AFD3-X3.jpg)
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Sorry to butt in, Andy, but I've been in contact today with Ian at SLEC who tells me that they have been receiving requests for details of the kit. I must emphasise that there is NO KIT produced by SLEC for this model. SLEC will supply laser-etched deck planking overlay panels for this and most other boats if you can provide a suitable CAD file. The original Midwest kit has apparently gone out of production, but quite whether or not a new kit appears in the future is anyone's guess and would depend on many commercial factors.
DaveM
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No problem Dave thanks for the info
The plans are kicking about the Internet for anyone who wants to cut their own parts off plan
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Just arrived. I believe the correct orientation is rearward facing
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As and when I get my kit I'll take steps to "future-proof" the design for anyone who wants one in the future. Ain't these 'pooters wunnerful?
DaveM
How will this work in practice Dave?
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I'll trace all the parts full-size and retain the shapes in AutoCAD. The plan can be scanned........that's after I've finished all of the present umpteen projects! Don't hold your breath, anyone.
DM
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I wish I knew how to do that stuff :((
I feel I want to make a BIGGER one O0
Its not a heavy model (3583grams)(7.9lbs) so 1/6 would be great.
Portgarth is 33lbs
Google tells me action man is 1:6 scale {-)
90mm prop %%
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Hate to say but there's so many sketches and photo databases for these boats out here, combined with a feew good pics, it seems pretty easy to end-up with something fairly close to proptotype if you want to cut your own materials which seems not hard for this. What exact prototype? I've been watching for ages, also considering ORCA which seems the same. Taranis has produced a perfect buld blog for the kit and photo's to scale one way or 'tother. Perfect for a little ingenuity to make your own!! It seems a very simple hullform anyway.
...Great build blog though. Great modelling!
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I built my model 30 years ago in that time I saw very few of these at club level or shows. The model is a very simple construction which builds to a very stable platform. It would appear that my thread and the thread by taranis have stirred a lot of interest in this model. It's a shame Midwest seem to have dropped this kit.
Stan :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
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Thanks for the accolade Rich :embarrassed:
Stan I believe MidWest dropped all kits and possibly don't exist anymore. Ebay just finds old stock items
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I like the horn bare so I lacquered it. I have quite a few items on the way from CMB to fit yet
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NIKON
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Stan I believe MidWest dropped all kits and possibly don't exist anymore. Ebay just finds old stock items
Also some in USA are taking the hit and miss because they deem their item EXTREMELY desirable NOT
This Seguin is ridiculous money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-Seguin/264358705626
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There's more :-)
Busy day. I've had to increase my wife's workspace in her craft room, managed another 2.2 metres so she's a happy bunny.
Then clean my road bikes for sale.
Then get ready for club open day tomorrow.
Managed a bit more, drawing from stock photos I decided on this location for a life ring (not finished)
Deck retainer from brass angle tapped to deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-J7BSpQp/0/7bdd83e7/X3/A077B14C-B5ED-4749-A6B6-42041BEE62C6-X3.jpg)
Cabin side retainer from brass and wood
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Brass 1.4mm bolt to make sure I don't lose it at play time
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I'm happy with that
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Hi Andy,
Thoroughly enjoyable day at your lovely lake yesterday was had by one and all,
has to be one of the best model boating lakes in the country for access etc and nice setting.
A quick flick through my old American mags looking for lobster boat info - found 3 Midwest adverts
dating back to the 1980's, I've scanned and will post below.
We think I may have taken the US mags with the original lobster boat build articles to Beale Park on that fateful day
and might have given them to the guy who bought the models,
but will have a trawl through my collection just in case. Regards Paul
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This is the man who built that for the photos and the build plan is dated 1987 with his name on it.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3318801-Midwest-Lobster-Boat (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3318801-Midwest-Lobster-Boat)
I have acquired the dingy but I'm not doing the slipway
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Sherlock here has deduced that Midwest are still in business selling hobby timber but gave up their kits years ago.
I have contacted them with some questions and to see if they would object to the Lobster boat being produced by someone else
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Mike told me orf for not having fitted his flag {-)
So I decided to use a mast stump for sailing days rather than on display
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-7SJGsHG/0/3e63a55d/X3/05B7E543-F012-497A-BEF1-6C7F2A278C4C-X3.jpg)
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I've only just started to read through this thread.
What a beautiful looking boat.
I am in awe of your building skills.
I saw this quote "Not sure the planking spacing around the fore & aft lines for the lift out section is/are correct (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/tickedoff.gif)>:-(" title="Tickoff" class="smiley" style="vertical-align: bottom; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12.92px; background-color: rgb(236, 237, 243);">[/size] [/size].........Derek"
I have looked and looked and looked again at the photo that this comment is referring to and I cannot see anything wrong with the planking spacing. However, I am not one hundred percent sure where "around the fore & aft lines for the lift out section" actually is.
If someone could expand on this, I would be very grateful.
Maybe I need to go back to Specsavers or get a better magnifying glass.
This boat looks absolutely perfect to me and I can only dream of producing a model build of this quality.
Ian.
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Thank you Ian for your kind comments
An equally perplexed Andy {-)
I have managed to acquire a second kit and I will be building a second with a different style
I’ll transfer all the shapes onto fresh wood stock and save the kits parts
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Seeing your build on this boat led me to buying a Lesro Sportsman kit just so I could build something out of wood again. Can't say I like the Lobster boats myself but you've done a grand job of putting it together
Richie
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Thanks Richie
Yes it really is a nice feel doing old traditional wood kits
I hope you’ll share your build :-))
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I've only just started to read through this thread.
What a beautiful looking boat.
I am in awe of your building skills.
I saw this quote "Not sure the planking spacing around the fore & aft lines for the lift out section is/are correct (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/tickedoff.gif)>:-(" title="Tickoff" class="smiley" style="vertical-align: bottom; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12.92px; background-color: rgb(236, 237, 243);">.........Derek"
I have looked and looked and looked again at the photo that this comment is referring to and I cannot see anything wrong with the planking spacing. However, I am not one hundred percent sure where "around the fore & aft lines for the lift out section" actually is.
If someone could expand on this, I would be very grateful.
Maybe I need to go back to Specsavers or get a better magnifying glass.
This boat looks absolutely perfect to me and I can only dream of producing a model build of this quality.
Ian.
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...Think I remember that at the time. Seemed a random comment at the time.Nice build though personally I'd have that mizzen mast over the flag any day at the moment. Each to their own.It's such a clear build thread, you could pretty much scale templates off the pics if you wanted to build your own. Close-enough anyway!
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It’s not appropriate to sail with the mast up tho Rich
The mast is used while pot hauling only so will be used for display only and the flag for sailing
Nothing is glued and is interchangeable
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It’s not appropriate to sail with the mast up tho Rich
The mast is used while pot hauling only so will be used for display only and the flag for sailing
Nothing is glued and is interchangeable
...think that was my comment earlier wondering how well it would sail with it. It would look better with the mast fitted but the sail furled IMO. Not my choice though.
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Yes it was your comment :-)) and indeed it sails fine with the mast but doesn't look right.
A flutter is much better
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Furled or not and I can't find any stock photos of a mast being used on the real boats
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Apart from this {-) https://maineimaging.smugmug.com/Aerials/Maine/Maine-Boats/Lobster-Boats-and-other-Commer/i-PNBZZgn/A
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Lifering complete
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Proposed life raft case
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Good to be back. Still bits to add
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Radar monitor added
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Second Aerial in progress. No idea of the technicalities but they all seem to have more than one
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Getting busier, 360 light in foreground
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More from Macs mouldings
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:-)
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That's very clever!! :-)) :-))
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Copying someone is the best form of flattery :-)) Whoever it may be but I guess a man {-)
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Now glued and I've revised boat carry level to a taper. Fitted ply tray to bottom.
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Like the carrier. Where did you buy the fittings, particularly the 4 way ones?
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Like the carrier. Where did you buy the fittings, particularly the 4 way ones?
All the fittings were £20.32 delivered from Hendersons. The pipe was £24 from eBay in 6x1.2m lengths
http://www.hendersons.co.uk/pipework2/metric_pipe_index.html
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Thanks for the link. Did you use 32mm or 40mm pipe?
Also, what do you think is the maximum weight that this can carry before it starts bending?
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32mm
Several kilograms
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Thanks. I guess the weakest point will be the handle.
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A wooden dowel inserted into the top handle
should stiffen it up.
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Good idea Ned :-))
For this particular use it is only 880mm long and is OK
Indeed I’ve just checked and a broom handle will fit with room to spare
Could also fit an axle and wheels at one end
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Broom handle is an excellent idea.
Did you use the thick solvent plumbing "glue" to stick it together, or thin MEK?
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Solvent weld for high pressure pipe
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Two lobster boats seen at Kirklees this morning. My very old model and the new build by taranis. We may have set a trend to build this model.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Nice :-)
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Great photos lads :-))
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Hi Andy
and congratulations. A great looking lobster boat, well done.
Wilhelm
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Thank you both. Still some bits to add if time ever permits.
This was a wonderful build experience and a very refreshing change from Lo.........ng builds
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HI Taranis the final touch just 30 years of natural weathering. They do look good on the water.
Stan.
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Really enjoyed reading through this build log
I now find myself REALLY wanting one of these kits for myself, but cannot find one for love nor money anywhere
If anyone anywhere has access to one or knows of one available PLEASE let me know!!!!
:-))
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Thank you Dave
I’m always on the look out myself
There are plans knocking about on the web in pdf
If you can’t find any send me your email address and I’ll try to help
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Dave
I've sent you a PM.
Dave M
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Hi Taranis
Have just read this build from beginning to end and love it
One question I have is how do you keep the dust situation down?
I notice in a lot of your pics you have a band saw, a sanding disc etc but no sign of any dust or detritus.
I am considering having a room in the house for this hobby but am put off at the thought of the dusty workshop mess in the house?!?!
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See here Dave
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,57583.msg606551.html#msg606551 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,57583.msg606551.html#msg606551)
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Thankyou!
Which vacuum did you for for?
I have a Titan from screwfix...
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That’s it in the link to my thread with my original user name
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Ah ok ta!
Another great build log to read!
I guess just a decent vacuum in when using a machine?
Any other advice?
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Another obsolete kit so no point starting a fresh thread.
I feel the need to work with wood so I'm going to knock this ages 14+ kit together to complement Shelley-Ann.
I have loads of paint left so she'll be matching cabin colour.
DaveM you are welcome to the plan when I've finished if you would like it :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-QZ9Rjk7/0/10a00991/XL/4A425E27-FC85-4492-8CA9-60AB78B1A3FB-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-mgV7FLW/0/d4d497a3/XL/BAE3E0D3-9E00-42D8-8F69-C8EE9C7F6259-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-DKH3npM/0/21cedb6c/XL/D3999EE7-254E-4B99-8483-A0E70AB169EA-XL.jpg)
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Will probably take you less than a day to complete it. :-))
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DaveM you are welcome to the plan when I've finished if you would like it
Thanks for the offer, Andy, but I already have several projects in mind after the current one and static models aren't my 'thing'.
DM
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It will take mucch more than a day Bill
I’m spinning plates here ok2
Won’t be static Dave towed behind {-)
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No use to me then, dude - you bought my Lobster Boat kit!! 8)
DM
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I also have two skiffs :-) and thanks to you probably the only 2 unbuild 30" midwest Lobster kits worldwide :-))
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I also have two skiffs :-) and thanks to you probably the only 2 unbuild 30" midwest Lobster kits worldwide :-))
So that means you have at least one set of plans which are redundant...... %)
DM
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Andy - any chance of scans of the parts and the Plan for the rowboat for Ian H - asked me to PM you but that's blocked - could you PM me please
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Does this do it?
Download using the download icon NOT the BUY tab https://techno.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-tktDxn7/A(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-5qg5mSH/0/fc563fda/X5/632B0724-2A33-437C-A331-9F820DC3E937-X5.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-tktDxn7/0/4623e90d/X5/88161B2D-4004-48CF-A5AF-A92AEB38CBD1-X5.jpg)
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beyond andy's plans post... even if this is out of production, these are still readily available... i just checked the online auction site, and there were 12+ listed, several in the UK.
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Indeed and usually silly money or extravagant postage.
I got this one at just over £20 delivered thanks to a heads up from a Mayhem member :-)) Jason.
Despite being rated as 14+ this should not be dismissed as easy {-)
There are many opportunities to get things wrong and have a disaster
My progress so far
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-bs7JL3w/0/d5105ab4/X3/97315533-C23B-4177-BAAF-9C3F50A2B0C7-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-btBmfn9/0/babc5e95/X3/E596F7C3-BE74-40CC-A25B-83E4371A5A77-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-vdQf9db/0/c3b27844/X3/DC8B7087-7EFB-4FD4-BDC8-2CF0B1F88CF9-X3.jpg)
Soon I'll be totally soaking in diluted finishing resin plus a second coat before sanding and painting
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I was hoping today to take some pictures of the dinghy been towed behind my lobster boat. but the weather conditions were not ideal. Just a group of shots taken at the pond side showing the Midwest dinghy kit. Hope this is OK with you Taranis?
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks for sharing Stan
Mine is nearly ready for resin coat
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-PDQCKxB/0/45437e2c/X3/7DC1BE11-04A6-4A3F-AF66-B5C423E6C585-X3.jpg)
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First I prepared a resin mix of 3 equal parts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-dgXjVsh/0/075eb89e/X3/A750C741-E317-4B01-9FF6-B19321FF873A-X3.jpg)
Then applied liberally to all surfaces
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-gSrmFnH/0/465c4b37/X3/139A82B6-BA55-4F48-B700-62A03FB038E8-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-M45xttc/0/de7e699c/X3/D0A80DF0-1B11-4E2D-918B-264A2F79C8B7-X3.jpg)
The seats will be kept as clear mahogany but the whole boat will be matching the LB cabin
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I'm now at the rubbing down stage and another oar to make yet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-TZ99bJB/0/b15c9764/X2/8FF7D462-0415-4803-8ED1-DD633E8A7AC0-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-JLV9bn8/0/77333e72/X3/DF00F6C7-C18C-49E4-B18A-560C08E475C5-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-573dD3G/0/8908095f/X3/879BCEC2-CDAE-4BF0-904B-39FE9C8739B3-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-fcvKJ98/0/5b885332/X3/DE8771DD-F0D7-4FEA-925B-A2259A8D65D6-X3.jpg)
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Seems a shame but ready to paint now the seat support stringers are fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-RsvLDjk/0/e7c41e3b/X3/7B451860-2BD9-4407-88E2-83FCCD29D1DB-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-TcxkNTB/0/289e87e8/X3/269904F3-EAE6-483A-9F25-6784081CDB74-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-H56p93K/0/c64eb87c/X3/5AECFF1A-59A3-4D3B-AD33-774575F77B6C-X3.jpg)
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Hi Guys
it seems that Dumas have produced a 32 inch Lobster boat kit that is almost the same as the old Midwest kit.I have emailed the link to Martin to post here as I cant cut and paste in in this reply.I hope he can do that for you .
Regards
Derek
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Hi Derek yes its been covered previously. The actual hull is very boxy and nothing like the sleek lines of Midwest
http://www.dumasproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1313 (http://www.dumasproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1313)
Also for some strange reason it is 1:16 scale and plank on frame construction
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Hi Derek yes its been covered previously. The actual hull is very boxy and nothing like the sleek lines of Midwest
http://www.dumasproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1313 (http://www.dumasproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1313)
Also for some strange reason it is 1:16 scale and plank on frame construction
Designed by someone who apparently has seen very few lobster boats. I offered some information to Dumas but they said they were too far along in the design/manufacturing process to make any modifications. Understandable that.
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Based on my previous experience of a Dumas POF kit then I wouldn't consider this one. Good drawings and folksy "down-home, y'all" text in the instructions but the materials were rubbish, the die-cutting was atrocious and the design ill-conceived and impractical for a working model.
Ah yes - it was the 'Lord Nelson Victory' tug, which isn't a tug anyway. Save your money and avoid.
Dave M
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Hi Dave
So as midwest no longer make RC kits since they were bought out
could you use your drafting skills and get Selec to do a kit to add to there
range of Aerokits wodden models. :} :} :}
Regards
Derek
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I can always ask*. The drafting part is simple but I'd need a set of plans. Over to you, Mr Waters 8)
DM
*E-Mail and link to this thread have just been sent to The Man at SLEC. We'll see.
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I had hoped they would have done that. I don't see an issue there are no copyrights on the packaging or drawings and Midwest will not answer emails regarding this.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z6xinoskgsrwxj/Lobster%20boat%201.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z6xinoskgsrwxj/Lobster%20boat%201.jpg?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q42gwiy0zcm0ujv/Lobster%20boat%202.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q42gwiy0zcm0ujv/Lobster%20boat%202.jpg?dl=0)
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:-)) Cheers, m'duck!
DM
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There might well be an issue with copyright with use for commercial purposes - Dodgy who created the Old Boats and EeZeBilt websites (among others) asked for permission to publish the Midwest plans - despite Midwest telling him that they had no intention of re- issuing the kits they would not give permission to do so . So please be careful here . There are a lot of their plans already on file but this Lobster Boat and the Dinghy are not among them hence the earlier request. The smaller model is however , as is the Freedom Song small version which is very similar - being the own brand kit of Ted Stinson who designed most of the Midwest models, as well as most of the Laughing Whale / Bluejacket ones. He sadly passed away in 2018 and Freedom Song kits & plans are also no longer available.
We would be grateful for for any of those plans in digital format which could be published on the Old Boats website once copyright has expired when the plans/kits are no longer available commercially for a certain length of time.
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You do have to look hard at high magnification, but there is a copyright symbol in the box at lower right on page 2 (underneath "Approved by Frank Garcher"). Although if Midwest won't respond to questions what is one to do? %)
Greg
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Very many people have those drawings indeed they were emailed to me originally . I dare say unless someone starts making serious money they will not bother their **** ;D
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Rather begs the question about how you copyright a scale model of a full-size boat. Do you make it as exact as you can, and therefore risk someone else being as accurate, pernickety and maybe litiginous; or do you introduce a deliberate error which distinguishes it as your own work but makes it "un-scale"?
Fortunately very few folk make a living out of model boat kits - well, too few to bother a sizeable US company which is probably owned and run by lawyers and/or cost-accountants anyway.
Trust me - I wrote the book!
DaveM
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Display of the Copyright symbol means the copyright is filed with the U.S. Library of Congress. As such any infringement in the U.S. could result in legal action. I don’t know how U.S. copyrights are treated in Europe; are they treated somewhat like patents per the Paris Agreement? Copying the plans and building a scratch model for one’s personal use might not be actionable, I am not sure. However, selling even one could result in litigation assuming a U.S. copyright enjoys protection in foreign countries.
A complex issue for certain.
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It just needs the current Midwest owners to get off their backside and make it clear whether they retain an interest and let the model world get on with it
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It just needs the current Midwest owners to get off their backside and make it clear whether they retain an interest and let the model world get on with it
Good luck with that. I'll not hold my breath. Like I said, however, a model of a prototype to scale is impossible to copyright absolutely. If I had a pound for every 1/5 scale model of a Spitfire I'd ever seen then I could buy a very decent round of drinks.
DM
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For myself its not a concern as I own THREE {-)
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*E-Mail and link to this thread have just been sent to The Man at SLEC. We'll see.
The word is that "perhaps we will have a talk about this when we get nearer the time for the next project". In the meantime my thanks to Redpmg for his wise advice and other contributions.
DaveM
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During the build of the Billings boats Boulogne Etaples in my craft room with the lobster boat in the back ground I am stirred to build the smaller version of the Booth Bay that I bought by accident. This at 3/4" to the foot would be 1/16 scale.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-Bf96sSH/0/4880879b/L/D3087B36-66F8-43E7-A56A-0903FFBB8179-L.jpg)
The 1/12 scale behind is far far bigger than the 1/20 scale Boulogne in the foreground
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boulogne-Etaples/i-HJtkkDg/0/d952379e/XL/12173A2B-3481-485E-AF3B-9C11E2C0181B-XL.jpg)
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I've just been trying to tidy my photo galleries when I found this from my phone and realised I never posted it. Not very good resolution but I think captures a suitable plane.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-7g7KPXP/0/5447b80f/X2/E4481FE9-936C-4AA5-A605-26AA3E1CB879-X2.jpg?fbclid=IwAR3PbOCVX85dWJulVFajJd3k7c-q5vm_8yPKKhbWVkvQTj-J5BDWBwU7EmI)
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Whoever bought my plans from this build via Stan, I'm always happy to answer questions if I can where the photos don't quite do it.
Enjoy your build of this lovely classic model :-))
(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62915.0;attach=194202;image)
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Long overdue but I decided I should at least have ONE finished boat {-) and this is the easiest to complete.
Navigation side lights
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-DPps4mT/0/427f5167/L/CF968E2F-E399-4AD6-80B1-1CA3281B5C96-L.jpg)
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Painting in progress.....
Decisions 🧐
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Three location options 🤔
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Decision made. I will fit them above the mahogany strip shown here rather than below. Fitted picture after tea :-)
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My very first 100% build :}
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-82hwJK6/0/d23f13ce/XL/53655740-7F52-4AFB-99F8-9EAEF649959A-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-PWJN85B/0/95f1a9c3/XL/6BA435F7-2EB7-465E-AA3D-C8EBB2CE738F-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-4CKpPLT/0/ec16fb39/XL/2DD8DD59-88FE-49AA-A120-1796C9B030D3-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-547vVQG/0/61cd1834/XL/843A7A3C-2947-4D1E-BBF7-E5A7F66A742A-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-RdhF5Rn/0/3780301d/XL/C5E739C8-779F-496F-8341-A190349983AA-XL.jpg)
1:12 scale is so nice
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-33K6KLC/0/d4119e11/XL/446665AB-52C2-486F-8CAB-3478A4F0D174-XL.jpg)
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Hi,So after viewing this thread late night, I stopped by Ebay and saw a 24" version new in the box. I bought it and its on its way. 110 us, seemed reasonable.Currently building an MFA Spear, i cannot find any info on this kit. I very new at all this so your build will help me greatly.Side note: My grandfather built Lobster boats, real ones. launched on a rail track. The unique this was this was in Rhode Island, town of Cranston. He then delivered them as far north as Bar harbour Maine. Imagine that trip in the late 40's? No radar, gps, etc.Bud
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Interesting, I have the smaller kit also that I bought by mistake while searching for this one.
Enjoy :-)
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I think this may be a different model even still?Trying to post pic, may work, may not.Say's 24" on box, model
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One more time.
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It’s the smaller static display model exactly the same boat downsized. https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62915.msg692774.html#msg692774 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62915.msg692774.html#msg692774)
Should be easy enough to make it RC
A difference I have noticed is mine says hull length and yours says overall length which includes the sail boom but same model produced a different year.
I have this kit too gathering dust.
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Andy,
Don’t want to impose too badly on your thread but here are a couple of pics of my modern lobster boat. If I’ve posted before I offer apologies.
Bill
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Probably but worth seeing again, Cheers Bill :-))
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No two kits are ever built the same! :-))
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Seems a shame but ready to paint now the seat support stringers are fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-RsvLDjk/0/e7c41e3b/X3/7B451860-2BD9-4407-88E2-83FCCD29D1DB-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-TcxkNTB/0/289e87e8/X3/269904F3-EAE6-483A-9F25-6784081CDB74-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-H56p93K/0/c64eb87c/X3/5AECFF1A-59A3-4D3B-AD33-774575F77B6C-X3.jpg)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Midwest-The-Dinghy-mint-in-sealed-box-Easy-level-Kit-/325091857705?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
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If anyone is smitten by this Lobster boat I have two complete unbuilt kits that include the SLEC laser etched deck skins thanks to the late DaveM. I also have one unbuilt smaller version. Due to a change of interests I won't get round to using them.