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Title: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 07, 2019, 03:55:29 am

Hi Folks,
Well, I finished my Mayflower build and have moved in to my next project.  I have always been interested in paper or card models and came across the USS Arizona at 1/250 scale.  Not so long ago, I built a plastic model of the Arizona at 1/200 scale and sold it.  I really didn't want to part with it, so the chance to build another one at a fraction of the cost, peaked my interest. So, here we go.  I ordered the kit from Ebay and not long, an envelope arrived, stuffed with 30 or more sheets of colored parts that needed cutting, folding and gluing.  Also were included several 1mm sheets of card stock which are used to stiffen frames and other parts requiring more strength.  A set of printed instructions with sketches show how to assemble.... well sort of.... I quickly realized that I had just bit off more than I can chew.  But, I have always loved a challenge, so I took this on with gusto. {:-{  Cutting and folding must be precise, or the fit will be off in assembly.  Having recently built the plastic version of the Arizona did help with layout and look of this famous battleship of WW2, sunk at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.  i carefully reviewed my instrucitions and got some tips off the internet and have started, first with thickened spacers for the bulkheads, then the false deck and bulkheads from sheet #1 that had to be glued to that 1mm card stock to stiffen.  I'm using a #11 xacto blade and steel straight edge to do my cutting.  It is a very slow process I'll tell you and I feel that if I do complete this build, its going to take an enormous amount of time.  But, hey... time I have, so lets get cracking.  Pictures show some of the supplies for building this paper model.  Hope you all enjoy it.  Of course, this one will never see the water (can you imagine).  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 07, 2019, 03:55:56 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Footski on September 07, 2019, 07:22:27 am

This looks really interesting Dennis. I am looking forward to your progress...

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 08, 2019, 04:35:03 am

Seven sheets have been glued onto 1mm card stock prior to cutting out forms, keel, etc. to assemble hull.  I am using a white glue, water based called "Tacky Glue" by Aleen's.  Got from Ebay, but want to source locally as I will be using alot of it. Glue comes in various kick speeds and strength, plus drys clear.  I'll be using a number 11 xacto knife and steel straight edge to do most of the cutting.  I used a rubber roller to spread the glue evenly.  Arts and Crafts folks.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Rob47 on September 08, 2019, 12:54:02 pm

Good luck Dennis, I tried building the last great Battleship launched HMS Vanguard and found it incredibly hard.


Bob

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 08, 2019, 03:42:05 pm

I think you are most correct Bob, the further I get into this project, I am discovering that I got conned.  The pictures presented by the company selling the kit are not the same as what is supplied, they would have to be of a scale of 1/100 to give the results in detail shown.  The railings alone cannot be rendered in 3D at the scale provided.  I have done some deeper research on the internet and have found this to be true.  I only paind $40.00 US, so I'm not out that much, but I am saddened by the outright deception presented here.  However, I am not one to throw in the hat just yet. No harm in making a noble attempt building this thing to see just how bad it is, or good.... who knows.  Its giving me something intersting to do for the moment.  i've got alot of modeling under my old belt and my hands and eyes are still good, so lets give it a shot  >>:-( ..... worst case is the burn pile.  I could also request my money back as  well.  But, I want to give it a chance.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Rob47 on September 08, 2019, 05:14:43 pm

Dennis
My feelings as well, also the kit I had did not give you to much advice on building, lots of exploded drawings.
Still onwards and upwards as they say, will be watchin totally fascinated


Bob

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: TailUK on September 08, 2019, 07:22:18 pm

Could I ask which vendor you bought from or if there was company name on the sheets you were sent. 

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 08, 2019, 08:38:06 pm

No company name, just this:

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 08, 2019, 08:40:52 pm

Sri, the picture would not post.  Beware.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: derekwarner on September 08, 2019, 11:08:35 pm

Dennis.....your link.....opens OK...... Derek


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=9b4c4492f2f0489f8b1dbaa3da304f2f&bu=44333982810&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F321686966579&sojTags=bu=bu

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 09, 2019, 01:02:43 am

Roger that Derek, I discovered it later.  Now, those pictures shown in that ad, I found the exact same ones taken by another builder who had posted his build on another sight, claiming that he had adjusted the scale to 1/100 in order to obtain the exacting detail in paper.  He  claims they are photos of his model.  I want to be careful not to go accusing this kit manufacturer of stealing pictures, for all I know, he purchased the rights, but what I can tell you is that I will never get the results shown from this kit.  The scale I am building at is way too small to get 3D railings as shown in those pictures, unless I go with photoetch.  An interesting challenge, I suppose I could stop now and request my money back, but curiosity has got the best of me to see what kind of model I can produce.  I guess we now have pictures to compare as soon as I go 3D with mine.  I've never built in paper before, so we will see.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: xanthar on September 09, 2019, 02:14:57 am

That looks a lot like Digital Navy's Arizona model.http://www.digitalnavy.com/USS-Arizona.html (http://www.digitalnavy.com/USS-Arizona.html)

Quote from: derekwarner on September 08, 2019, 11:08:35 pm

Dennis.....your link.....opens OK...... Derek


https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=9b4c4492f2f0489f8b1dbaa3da304f2f&bu=44333982810&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F321686966579&sojTags=bu=bu (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=9b4c4492f2f0489f8b1dbaa3da304f2f&bu=44333982810&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F321686966579&sojTags=bu=bu)

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 09, 2019, 03:26:46 am

Could be... did not know about Digital Navy.  Now, if my model can turn out as nice as what those pictures show, I'll be very pleased.  Only one thing.  The railing is nothing like what I have in this kit. (I'll get a pic to post later).  Those railings sure look like PE to me.. too perfect to be paper.  I know I could never cut them out that cleanly at that scale.  I have some left over PE railings from other kits that might work for this model.  Back to cutting.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: TailUK on September 09, 2019, 09:33:54 am

Quote from: xanthar on September 09, 2019, 02:14:57 am

That looks a lot like Digital Navy's Arizona model.http://www.digitalnavy.com/USS-Arizona.html (http://www.digitalnavy.com/USS-Arizona.html)

I'd agree.  It's a good chance that you've were resold a version of DN Arizona which was printed out to the wrong scale. 

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: TailUK on September 09, 2019, 09:36:17 am

Quote from: dlancast on September 09, 2019, 03:26:46 am

Could be... did not know about Digital Navy.  Now, if my model can turn out as nice as what those pictures show, I'll be very pleased.  Only one thing.  The railing is nothing like what I have in this kit. (I'll get a pic to post later).  Those railings sure look like PE to me.. too perfect to be paper.  I know I could never cut them out that cleanly at that scale.  I have some left over PE railings from other kits that might work for this model.  Back to cutting.  Dennis

I think Tom's Model works and Gold Medal Models do generic railing sets for 1/250 American warships There may even be set available for Arizona at this scale.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 09, 2019, 05:36:07 pm

Yes, I have contacted DN and told them of my situation.. haven't got a reply yet.  they have some different approaches on their card kits and a cheaper price for the Arizona... i just might go with them.  But I agree, I will probably use the extra PE railing I have that works for scale and buy what more I need.  Tks for the help on this.  I'm moving ahead with this project and am in frame now.  We will see.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 09, 2019, 11:23:58 pm

Lower hull bulkheads are now installed.  Lower deck is upside down, tacked to a straight wood plank covered in plastic wrap.  Small straight right angle parts are spacers that are glued in between bulkheads (#7 is installed)... this will keep the frame even and strengthen it as well. So far so good.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 10, 2019, 05:21:35 am

All spacers between lower bulkheads have been installed.  It is amazing the strength that has been gained by adding these right angle struts.  The hull will be rotated when all is dry and upper hull section added in much the same way as lower.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: ballastanksian on September 12, 2019, 11:11:49 pm

Part of me is shouting to get some ply and build a 1:196th scale RC model using the kit as a template Dennis!! card is surprisingly heavy, and strong also. Keep up the good work!

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 13, 2019, 03:43:41 am

Oh, don't think I haven't given that idea some thought. For paper, this thing is built like a tank. Actually, I'd love to build another Arizona in plastic at 1/200 scale (Trumpeter kit) and put it to RC.  Got to get through this paper monster first.  Ok, aft deck is glued on, you can see the strut supports running through the hull, top and bottom to keep bulkhead alignment true.  As long as my cuts are accurate, she goes together very nicely.  Very difficult to understand logic in plans, but careful reading and re-reading has got me through most of this beginning stage.  They were not clear about giving me extra parts to do a waterline version, so I cut a bunch of bulkheads, etc. out when I didn't have to.. oh well, just resulted in sore fingers  :(( , but good practice I suppose.  Its pretty neat seeing instant decking and color go on.  This model will not be nice and clean, due to uneveness of framing underneath, etc.  But, stand back and she looks fine. ok2 .  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 14, 2019, 10:57:44 pm

Tabs are on and hull plating has begun.  One of the issues of paper models is keeping the hull fair.  Paper is paper... we will just call those depressions "dents" from hard use at sea.  All seam lines will be touched up with paint.  Hull shape appears to be mostly correct, so I am encouraged about that.  I will be adding hull reinforcement straps along the hull, 3 lines on each side per plan.  I will be taking liberty to add details where I can, including PE.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Capt Podge on September 14, 2019, 11:03:02 pm

Your determination is to be admired Dennis, I'm sure you will see this one through to the end  O0 .


Regards,
Ray.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 15, 2019, 01:13:04 am

Thank you..... for $39.95 US, I've never worked so hard on a model in my life.  I hope it turns into something nice.  I hate to work for nuthing. >>:-( Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 16, 2019, 04:17:52 am

Well folks, I'm almost embarressed to post these pictures.  This model is just about putting me to my knees :embarrassed: , but I am determined to see this through.  Parts are so small, I'm having trouble controlling and gluing them.  Paint and some trimming will help I suspect.  Either I've got to get my act together or just do what I can and when its done, its done.  Purpose?  Is to keep me busy in my old age, a challenge and something to do and it isn't breaking the bank.  I suspect it will take a good part of this winter to complete it.  Then, I'll probably sink it or use it as target practice (have to be careful what one says these days).  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 16, 2019, 04:18:10 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Geoff on September 17, 2019, 01:33:46 pm

Many years ago I tried to build a card model of "Scheswig Holstein" and gave up because it was too hard. I'm pretty sure there is a knack how to build them as I have seen some excellent articles but in my (limited) experience I found them extreemly difficult to construct, so well done in persevering! You should be commended for your efforts.


Don't loose faith, because it is a battleship, and all battleships are great!



Cheers


Geoff

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 17, 2019, 06:16:02 pm

Thank you for that inspiration Geoff,  I'm not going to give up. We will see what the end looks like.  I have done alot of modeling over the years and I have to say, this has been the most challenging and its only paper  %% .  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: ballastanksian on September 17, 2019, 10:58:14 pm

I am sure it will finish up great Dennis. Apart from their use as templates as mentioned above, I have never been a fan of paper models, but do appreciate the finished models given their intrinsic peculiarities.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Rob47 on September 21, 2019, 05:17:05 pm

Dennis following this avidly, been looking on card model site and the one thing that strikes me is the hulls don't seem tov have the joins that you have and I found when I attempted on, I know that they are built by professional modellers but what's the trick?


Bob

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: TailUK on September 21, 2019, 07:36:29 pm

Card models seem especially popular in the Eastern Europe and Germany.  A lot of the really good models come out the Germany.  In Russia and Eastern Europe books of card models were sold at news stands.  It's possible that in austere times they were the only affordable option for model builders. 

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 21, 2019, 07:51:12 pm

It most definitly takes an aquired skill level.  Without proper support underneath, paper will wrinkle or buckle.  I tried to pre-shape the hull panels and that helped some.  Precision cutting and alignment is key, no room for error.  I am painting the hull below the waterline and have added support strakes along the hull, which was the case on the real ship.  Pictures coming as its actually starting to look somewhat better and I'm getting happier  ok2 .  Have to admit, this is the best bang for the buck and is keeping me involved. Something I discovered too late was that my main deck should have been doubled to 1mm, the instructions did not state that, so I didn't do it.  One must read the instructions very carefully, study the concepts, consider added supports and the fact that they have designed in the added thickness of doubled paper.  Its quite a puzzle and I know I'm going to do another.  Also, I will be using PE to inhance the details, such as railing.  regards, Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2019, 04:39:50 am

All four screws are on, plus rudder.  Hull painting will be finished soon.  I'm pleased with how the screws turned out... frankly, how do you make a paper screw? Well, I found out. Shafts are brass, kit recommended wire.  I can take some liberty I guess.  Paint will be used judiciously as the model progresses.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2019, 04:40:21 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: joppyuk1 on September 22, 2019, 03:34:20 pm

Don't forget to colour the bare card edges as you go along. Get them to blend in with the rest. I'm following with interest, as I have a couple of card models in my stash ready for the appropriate time.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2019, 04:19:36 pm

Roger that.   Goodluck on your card projects.  I'm curious the sources of your kits?  Tks,  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: warspite on September 22, 2019, 06:27:18 pm

If you look at the polish mag thread it shows a couple of card / paper models in the thread.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2019, 11:49:19 pm

First coat of bottom paint down, starting to populate the various deck fittings, funnel and bits.   The bits will go around the perimeter of the main deck, are quite fiddly with 5 parts to cut out and glue to make them up.  Main chain cheves are made and placed, winches next after I get those bits made and mounted, still another coat of bottom paint. Need to scratch build the bilge keels.  One pesky thing about a paper model, paper bends when you run it into something, so handling the model requires constant attention to care and placement... good part is that it all bends back into place nice enough, within reason.  What can I say.... {:-{  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: joppyuk1 on September 23, 2019, 12:37:38 pm

Quote from: dlancast on September 22, 2019, 04:19:36 pm

Roger that.   Goodluck on your card projects.  I'm curious the sources of your kits?  Tks,  Dennis

I've a varied selection, some german or polish ones via Marcle Models, and some from the Paper Shipwright (David Hathaway) of pre-dreadnought vessels. About ten in all, should keep me going for a few years.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 25, 2019, 12:27:54 am

Well, I did a real mangle job on the aft catapult.  This was my first attempt at cutting out the black areas between the framework, to open it up.  Mistake, it weakened the structure so much that it became very fragile to fold and glue up.  Another kit maker suggests cutting out the basic structure and gluing up first, then cutting the areas in between.  Good luck with that.. don't see how it would work. you would mash it just taking a blade to it.  Afraid I will just have to leave it black in between to gain as much strength as I can.  For this baby, I will insert fine wire for support and try to straighten the frame out a bit and cover with some paint.  Its all I can do for now.  Makes me wonder what is coming next.  I'm working on the small bits and pieces that go on the main deck right now.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: xanthar on September 27, 2019, 01:34:59 am

Quote from: dlancast on September 25, 2019, 12:27:54 am

Well, I did a real mangle job on the aft catapult.  This was my first attempt at cutting out the black areas between the framework, to open it up.  Mistake, it weakened the structure so much that it became very fragile to fold and glue up.  Another kit maker suggests cutting out the basic structure and gluing up first, then cutting the areas in between.  Good luck with that.. don't see how it would work. you would mash it just taking a blade to it.  Afraid I will just have to leave it black in between to gain as much strength as I can.  For this baby, I will insert fine wire for support and try to straighten the frame out a bit and cover with some paint.  Its all I can do for now.  Makes me wonder what is coming next.  I'm working on the small bits and pieces that go on the main deck right now.  Dennis

Am I the only one looking at that part and thinking it needs to be 3D printed?
Also you are making me want to try this.  So much so, that I'm thinking of picking up the one from Digital Navy.  Thanks for documenting and sharing your progress.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: tigertiger on September 27, 2019, 03:00:46 am

Quote from: dlancast on September 25, 2019, 12:27:54 am

Afraid I will just have to leave it black in between ...  Dennis

   


Just a thought. Instead of using black, if you use the same color as the surrounding area of the model, it will blend in better and be less noticeable.


The model is already looking very good  :-)) :-))

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 27, 2019, 03:37:01 am

Yes, PE would be the answer and I am using some left over PE from other kits for ladders, stairs railing, etc.  Whatever will work to enhance the detail.  I am working on the mid second level section now.  Pictures to follow.  I have also intalled the aft catapult crane and am pretty happy with results.  Either I'm getting better at this or the kit area is better rendered.  Well worth the effort folks.. do give it a try.  I get the impression that  Digital Navy produces a better kit.  They have instructions for what they call 3D paper etch.. the idea is to prefold and glue the part from 2D to 3D, then cut out the areas between the girders.  I have not tried this, and frankly do not see how that would work, even with a very sharp number 11 blade. I think the first few cuts might work, but as the structure loses its internal strength, stability will result in destortion and crushing at this scale, unless the grid can be supported somehow.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 27, 2019, 05:09:37 am

Well, here we are folks, starting the base of the superstructure, mid section 5" cannon turrets.  I'll be using brass tubing for the barrels instead of the thick wire the kit calls for.  This time I doubled up the deck thickness to 1mm per plan and got better results for sure.  Should have done that on the main deck, but plans did not call for it to be doubled.. I'm smarter now. Dennis O0

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 29, 2019, 07:11:24 am

level four has been achieved.  Adding PE ladders and starting on some PE railing to enhance detail. So far so good.  Using brass tubing instead of rolled paper. (I know, I'm cheating).  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Capt Podge on September 29, 2019, 07:48:42 am

Looks like your persistence is paying off Dennis.
I would assume there will be some sort of rigid uprights required as the decks develop?


Regards,
Ray.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Akira on September 29, 2019, 12:59:42 pm

Dennis,Very nice. I would not even take a nibble at a project like that. Hats off to you.Jonathan

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: warspite on September 29, 2019, 02:43:53 pm

not cheating - recycling, the paper is easier to recycle than the PE which looks better on the model than the paper.  O0

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 29, 2019, 04:15:48 pm

Tku sirs, yes, many uprights going in after I clime up a few more layers.  Maybe hard to see in those pics, but I do have the vertical main tube inserted to act as a guide for alignment as I stack the decks up.. like a climing pole, then two angled tubes will go in to form the infamous tri-pod that will support the tops.  There will also be two more tubes inserted lower that will support the two radars that will go in.  I discovered that I need four more search lights for one of the top levels and the kit only gave me two, so guiess what?.... I'll just copy another sheet a couple more times and I got more lights.. cool! %%   Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on September 29, 2019, 04:17:51 pm

oh, forgot, I will be adding railing, both solid and PE to go around the decks.  I found a ton of left over PE railings that will work for this... a bit of trimming for scale issues.  D.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: ballastanksian on September 30, 2019, 08:50:03 pm

You'll make the PE work nicely Dennis.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 01, 2019, 04:40:21 am

To give you an idea of the detail size I'm dealing with, these gussets that I have to cut out two to make one when clued together, then glued to the bridge barrier.  There will be a top piece running along the top edge of those gussets once they are all in.  You can just see some of the PE railing that has been added.  I try not to get too close up a shot as the card gets kinda ugly looking, not like a resin or plastic casting mind you... we are dealing with paper here and there are limits I suspect, but from a smart distance, say, like one foot, it don't look to bad actually. O0 Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 01, 2019, 04:40:48 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: xanthar on October 01, 2019, 12:54:51 pm

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She's looking good. 

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 05, 2019, 09:12:16 pm

A bit of delay, my computer had to go into the shop, just now back on-line.  Been busy on the model in the mean time.  Fore Super Structure is pretty much complete.  I have used some of the PE railing I had left over from other builds.  I did use a portion of what the kit supplied.  It is railing that is supposed to show the railing covered in a white canvas, which I think was done, but not sure about that.  But I did try it and it came out "ok". Very tedious parts. The ships bell was a wonder unto itself, so tiny, I don't even know how I got it cut out and glued onto the main tri-pod support.. but its there.  I also added the range dial that the kit did not provide. I got it from a photo I took of my plastic model of the Arizona. Just happened to be the right scale, so i cut it out of the photo and stuck it on the main tripod support just below the ships bell.  I think you can see it.  The detail of this paper model is very amazing, but the instructions are very poor. If I hadn't just built this ship model in plastic, I would be having a real problem figuring out what was what and where did it go sort of thing.  The code numbering for parts are incorrect in many areas, so you have to be on top of the game.  So far, I'm winning..... O0 .   Now on to the funnel, which is turning out to be a real "xxxxx".  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 05, 2019, 09:13:01 pm

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 06, 2019, 11:59:49 pm

Ok, the stack is installed.  i'll either install anchor chain and anchor, or move on to ships boats and cranes, etc. just aft of the stack.  Also need to build AA guns and install shields.  Am curious how the guns will look fabricated from paper.  We will see.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 07, 2019, 12:00:29 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Capt Podge on October 07, 2019, 12:20:12 am

Looks good to me Dennis.
How on earth you're dealing with this build is beyond my powers of patience - truly inspirational!


Regards,
Ray.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 07, 2019, 04:52:16 am

Thank you Ray, yea... I look over at the beautiful work being done on the Yaymamoto (sp).. but quickly realize the completely different mediums we are dealing with, I can cut myself some slack.  Indeed this model is the most challenging in my closet of models and I have to admit that I'm throughly enjoying this build and just might do another.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 08, 2019, 11:53:04 pm

Aft tri-pod mast in the making with one search light installed.  Very tedious for alignment. Still having fun.  Dennis

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Post by: dlancast on October 08, 2019, 11:53:30 pm

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 11, 2019, 05:21:24 am

Main mast mounted with spots and radar installed.  Interestingly, I was wondering about the scuppers on top of the torpedo blister on sides of the hull.  Couldn't find them in the instruction diagrams or the parts, so figured I would have to scratch build them in and low and behold I found the parts, just had to fold them in my mind to get and there they were, so happily, got them mounted.  She is coming along slowly and the detail is amazingly there.  I ordered 40 custom made chocks at 1/250 scale from Shapeways, they will be coming in a week or so,, gotta have chocks.  I found enough left over railing to do the entire perimeter of the main deck when its time.  Still got lots to do yet.  Cheers!  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 13, 2019, 05:56:31 am

Port ships boat crane made and installed.  Now to make another just like it for STBD side. Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: frogman3 on October 13, 2019, 10:32:41 am

Sir I have just read your paper an card build right through an im amazed at the build I know for a fact that I could not build this an I have many yrs at modelerling under my belt very well done so far I will be lookin in at times to see how its goin  :-))
chris

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 13, 2019, 04:10:29 pm

Thank you sir for the kind comments.  Modeling experience is what it takes to do something like this.  I can't hold a candle to some of the expert builders on this forum and I have gained some good knowledge through the years being here.  I would encourage any builder to give this medium a try at least once, just for fun.  It is a challenge like no other that I have had in building and the intial cost is very low, plus there seems to be a good number of kits available now, plus, if you add PE upscale to them, they really come alive.  I'm already thinking about doing another one.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 15, 2019, 06:00:08 am

I'm using a method that I found on Digital Navy website that does what they call "paper photo-etch"... what you do is intially cut out the part and do the folds to 3D, then unfold and using a #11 xacto blade, cut out the space in between the girder frame, then refold and glue.  This way, you won't distort the paper, trying to fold with such a thin paper spacing.  It does work.  So, that is what I did on the two cranes.  I have started the AA guns, there will be eight total. I believe these are 5".  I used thick wire for the barrels.. I know, I don't get a taper that way, but it looks pretty close.  Very tedious and time consuming, I'll be at this a while.  Dennis

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 15, 2019, 06:06:26 am

completed cranes.

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Post by: dlancast on October 15, 2019, 06:06:52 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 19, 2019, 11:04:39 pm

Turrent number one is completed, it just slips on and does rotate.  I was able to succeed in making the gun barrels out of paper, I copied the hard stock to a thinner stock paper, made it much easier to roll.  I'm happy with it.  All AA guns are installed Port and STBD with shields and supports (pesky little triangles).  Tops of turrets will be painted red per original color plan.  Now, I did find a USS Missouri paper model at 1/200 scale.  Makes for a huge paper model and I can get  tons of PE upscale parts if I want to spend the money.  Interestingly, the kits come either downloaded digital file and I prent out for $7.00 US or have it come printed at $40.00 US. Still can't beat the price.  I think there is a 1/250 kit available, which will be about 30" long, instead of 4ft.  I'll have to think about it. Would like to do the Iowa as well.  No end to this madness. %%  Dennis

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Post by: dlancast on October 19, 2019, 11:05:34 pm

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: xanthar on October 20, 2019, 02:38:53 pm

She's looking good!

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Capt Podge on October 20, 2019, 09:58:51 pm

Quote from: dlancast on October 19, 2019, 11:04:39 pm

Would like to do the Iowa as well.  No end to this madness. %%  Dennis

Sir, you are a glutton for punishment! ;D

Seriously though Dennis, she's looking fantastic. If I had just walked into your workshop, I'd have thought the model was made of either wood or plastic or both.
Great work. :-))

Regards,

Ray.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 20, 2019, 11:37:42 pm

Thankyou Ray, that is a very kind compliment.  I am truly enjoying the challenge of this build.  I would have never known that paper would be like this.  Its not as perfect as casting, but in some cases, darn close. And, like any builder, I know every glaring error. One that is bugging still and I can't do a darn thing about it is that I should have doubled the thickness of the main deck.  The instructions did not tell me to do this, but I shoulda known better... the design did allow for a thicker deck (1mm), so it was just an oversight on the kit maker. In fact, there are many such errors and I am learning quickly to study carefully and plan ahead.  One's skill is developed as you go along and they tell you this up front, so it wasn't like I wasn't pre-warned.  I want to do another WW2 ship in paper and I'm looking at the USS Missouri.... 1/200 scale would be nice, but it would yield a huge model.  I like this 1/250 scale, but its not real common, especially in the after market upscale PE detail.  Shapeways Inc. will 3D print at any scale and I've got some chocks coming in next week.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 21, 2019, 12:43:59 am

Fore Turrets assembled, painted and set in place.  They sit lose and turn smoothly left and right, as I choose.  Dennis

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Post by: dlancast on October 21, 2019, 12:44:32 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 28, 2019, 04:26:16 am

Well, at least my computer probs. gave me time to work on the ships boats and get them installed.  Very tedious little buggers, but they are done at least.  Aircraft next.  Then rigging and this build will be finished.  Probably another month to go.  My next project is another static display airplane.. balsa and tissue, like the old days.  This time it will be US Navy Dauntless SBD-3 dive bomber.  31" wing span, will hang up with my aircraft collection.  Best regards, Dennis

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Post by: dlancast on October 28, 2019, 04:26:47 am

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 30, 2019, 03:56:18 am

First of two Seaplanes that will be on the model.  A little lumpy, but not too bad for scale.  Photoetch prop.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 30, 2019, 09:31:11 pm

Seaplane two comopleted and mounted to aft gun turret catapult.  Also added canvas boat covers.  Next will be foremast antenna and rigging, etc.  Finishing touches mostly.  My airplane model kit has arrived and I'm chomping at the bit to get started on that project.. tons of detail in that kit (balsa and tissue.. old school).  Dennis

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Post by: dlancast on October 30, 2019, 09:31:43 pm

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on October 31, 2019, 03:21:19 am

The beauty of photo-etch.  I had the flag support girder left over from my 1/200 scale Arizona upscale kit.  Knew it would come in handy.  Cut it down to 90mm per scale for this model.  I think it will be just fine once painted and rigged.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: warspite on October 31, 2019, 11:47:12 am

The plane on the aft turret - didn't know they could land on the rail as well -  {-) :P ok2

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on November 01, 2019, 10:58:20 pm

hahah... good one, bit of a short landing mate.  Signal flag halyards installed.  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Capt Podge on November 01, 2019, 11:17:10 pm

I always think that when the rigging starts to go on, the model comes to life and it usually signifies completion is close at hand  O0 .
Nearly there Dennis  :-))


Regards,
Ray.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on November 02, 2019, 12:45:46 am

I've always believed that as well Ray and it is. Still some work yet to do, more rigging, bow chain to lay and main deck railing, then mount the baby and get her in a case.  My other project is just waiting in the wings and I'm chomping to get started on wood and paper 3/4"=1ft scale of the USN WW2 Dauntless SBD-3 dive bomber, crammed with as much detail as I can get... moving control surfaces, retracts, bomb sling, dive brakes, moveable canopy, tail hook, retracting rear guns. etc.  Kit (Guillows) provides it all, plus detail enhancement plans.  Wing span will be 31" and she will be static display (I've crashed too many good models). Wife says "where are you going to hang it?".... I gently suggested over our bed?? {-)   That went over big.. but at least its not a B-36!  Cheers  Dennis

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Akira on November 02, 2019, 12:43:35 pm

Dennis, Your work is quite extraordinary. I will nt ask what you do/did for a day job, but with that kind of patience I can imagine.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on November 02, 2019, 03:57:25 pm

Thankyou for the kind words.  You can ask.  I was a senior engineer for a Semiconductor company in Silicon Valley.  I made computer chips, actually, the first phase, called "Photomaskmaking".  The reduction phase from full size design to final micro stage.  I loved the equipment using Electronbeam Lithography.  Spent 23 yrs. doing that exciting and crazy stuff and you know, this is probably the first time in many years that I have even mentioned it.  All to say that having worked with very small things, gave me the passion to do small detail in models.  Perhaps. I should have been the "Incredible Shrinking Man".  I sure love model making.

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on November 08, 2019, 05:15:33 am

Ok folks, my paper model of the USS Arizona is now completed.  I'll be off for a while as I build the Dauntless Dive Bomber model.  There is a paper kit of the USS Missouri out there that I might be tempted to build next year.  Cheers to all... Dennis

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Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: Plastic - RIP on November 08, 2019, 06:51:58 am

I'm impressed!   :o

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: derekwarner on November 08, 2019, 07:18:50 am

It is rather amazing that paper & card can produce such a superb model..................... Derek

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: warspite on November 08, 2019, 11:35:32 am

Just as an aside question, were the aircraft fitted to the ramps so they didn't go over the barrels?


Excellent build

Title: Re: USS Arizona paper model 1/250 scale
Post by: dlancast on November 08, 2019, 04:00:03 pm

Thank you gentlemen.  I suppose they didn't have any other place to store the aircraft. They just used the cranes to lift them out of the water and onto the ramps is my guess.  Dennis