Model Boat Mayhem
Technical, Techniques, Hints, and Tips => Modelling tools => Topic started by: dpbarry on December 30, 2020, 10:04:04 pm
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Hi folks.
What do most people use as dust extractors. A hoover or a dedicated dust (chip) extraction system?
Declan
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I use a wet / dry vacuum, i believe its an industrial vax, bought second hand at the local boot fair for £5, its a bit noisy, but has a reasonably sized dust collection chamber so only needs emptying occasionally, a spare length of hose attached allows it to reach most places, for the workshop area further away i use a second hand hetty vacuum, though thats more in a conventional role as chip pickup.
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Cheers.
Was thinking of a wee hetty, nothing too big as the shed isn’t that big (11’ x 9’ internal) and easy enough to pack away out of road. :-))
Declan
I use a wet / dry vacuum, i believe its an industrial vax, bought second hand at the local boot fair for £5, its a bit noisy, but has a reasonably sized dust collection chamber so only needs emptying occasionally, a spare length of hose attached allows it to reach most places, for the workshop area further away i use a second hand hetty vacuum, though thats more in a conventional role as chip pickup.
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thats bigger than my shed, everything is on wheels and leaves a space about 3 foot square to work, when i need tools they are wheeled into the middle for access. that includes the bandsaw, table saw, thicknesser and pillar drill.
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Hi Declan - I use a Bosch Gas 20 wet and dry vacuum for all of my machines and it works very well indeed. I use hepta filter bags inside it and they need changing probably once every 6 months. Bear in mine though I do cut a lot of wood.
The only down side is like most vacuums its quite noisy so I just put my AirPods in and listen to music when I'm machining.
I don't know if you can still get them but Andy (Taranis) sorted mine out for me from a place in Poland for a really cheap price. It was delivered within 48 hours from there as I remember.
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Hi Declan - I use a Bosch Gas 20 wet and dry vacuum for all of my machines and it works very well indeed. I use hepta filter bags inside it and they need changing probably once every 6 months. Bear in mine though I do cut a lot of wood.
The only down side is like most vacuums its quite noisy so I just put my AirPods in and listen to music when I'm machining.
I don't know if you can still get them but Andy (Taranis) sorted mine out for me from a place in Poland for a really cheap price. It was delivered within 48 hours from there as I remember.
Imports from Poland are now subject to VAT &, if applicable, import duties. Both + collection fees. You might get it tax free in Poland however as an export.
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Poland has been in the EU since 2004 and VAT has always been charged. As our trading agreement is unchanged there are still no import duties to my knowledge. However I do not remember where I purchased it from now.
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Poland has been in the EU since 2004 and VAT has always been charged. As our trading agreement is unchanged there are still no import duties to my knowledge. However I do not remember where I purchased it from now.
As of Midnight to night they change.
Prior, the vat was at the Polish rate.
Now its Value of the cost of goods. If £135+ import tax at 2.5% add. Then the cost of Postage add. Then 20% vat on that total and then £8 royal mail fee added. Poland will be able to sell it to you with out polish Vat.
Note if the cost is between £15 and £135 you may find company's do not want to ship to the UK as they have to register with HRMC. Software cost a lot as TAX is collected as source between these values. IE the shop charge you all the tax and send it to HMRC.
Yes welcome to the HMRC nightmare.
John
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Interesting thank you John.
I won't be buying another {-)
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I noticed yesterday that Reichelt.com Germany have dropped UK from their shipping destinations
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My apologies to TF for my misunderstanding your post
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My apologies to TF for my misunderstanding your post
No problem. I think that we are all going to find a lot of problems as we enter the promised land. Hopefully some issues might get resolved when everybody actually knows and understands what is happening.
I looked at the Reichelt website. We must be about the only country they don't trade with.
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No problem. I think that we are all going to find a lot of problems as we enter the promised land. Hopefully some issues might get resolved when everybody actually knows and understands what is happening.
I looked at the Reichelt website. We must be about the only country they don't trade with.
The reason is due to the farce that HMRC has done on the quiet .
Good with the value of between £15 and £135 now have to be taxed at source. Not at UK customs as like before. Over seas company MUST register with HMRC. To do this must use software. While I dont all the cost, they vary. To give you an idea 350 euros for the software and 1500 euro yearly subscription. A yearly subscription to Microsoft office is about £30 aprox .
So in short a lot of company's have said it not worth the cost or hassle to register with HMRC.
Had HMRC stuck with the old system that worked for years this would not have been happing .
John
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Is that the whole world or just part of the EU agreement. I can't see that the Chinese, for example, would have any interest in this.
Are they simply going to confiscate anything that doesn't comply?
It wasn't that long ago that you could have a package of £35(?) without anything to pay but then it went down to £15 as too many people were getting packages without paying VAT.
This is just the next step in making sure that they get our money.
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Is that the whole world or just part of the EU agreement. I can't see that the Chinese, for example, would have any interest in this.
Are they simply going to confiscate anything that doesn't comply?
It wasn't that long ago that you could have a package of £35(?) without anything to pay but then it went down to £15 as too many people were getting packages without paying VAT.
This is just the next step in making sure that they get our money.
This is what I have read on HMRC website over several pages . I am no expert on this.
I would seam to be the whole world but I stand to be corrected.
Goods shipped from a private person to a private person are not affected by this on line registration. This only applies from a business to a customer
From what I been told by several people in Europe who have looked in to this. The shipper would not accept the goods as they would be responsible for return costs . Note information on this is very thin on the ground.
China was always considered a developing nation. This meant they had a higher free tax threshold than say the USA. I dont know if this has changed.
It has always been about £15. £39 was the gift free tax limit.
What I can say a lot was changed on the quite.
John
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I think that you will find the £15 limit is only a few years old and was higher. A George Osborne change I seem to remember. I think it was £18 in 2011 but I think higher than that previously.
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I take your word for it. As it been over 5 years since I got any thing from the US due to the way tax and tax upon tax is wacked on.
To try and offer a ray of hope. To night will be day 1 . Hopefully in time HMRC will take an easier approach and allow the old customs delectation form. Once this get out in to main stream media a lot of people will be annoyed as they can not shop over seas were they use to. Maybe the government might listen or offer free software etc. Only time will tell.
John
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I will make or break the system on the 6th when I try to place an order with Knupfer in Germany
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I have just looked on ebay for battery welders (over £15). If you are in the US there are lots from China. If you are in the UK they are all UK sourced and. as usual much more expensive.
Sounds like the new HMRC regs do apply to China
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Hi folks.
What do most people use as dust extractors. A hoover or a dedicated dust (chip) extraction system?
Declan
I use a Hot Ash Vacuum Cleaner. Great suction and cheap as chips.
A little noisy but quite acceptable.
Just put the foot part of a pair of tights over the filter to make it even better.
Mike.
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Interestingly I've tried ordering from HobbyKing (Eu) over the last few days, they wont accept the order.
That's the only place that has the stock I want.
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I was at the post office this week and lady next to me was trying to send a parcel out the country. They wouldn't take it, no parcels leaving UK due to co-vid. That might have had something to do with it also, probably a backlog since which might be complicating things still? No wonder folk might not want to sell to UK at the moment though. Can't even figure out myself how I'm going to be able to run my business next year.
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Does this mean that if I can find a company willing to ship to the UK for a package £15-£135 I can expect the price to include all UK taxes & that it should just be delivered without the previous problem of tax collection & admin fees?
Are packages going to have some sort of identifying number(?) to ensure that the regs have been complied with & that HMRC will get its money?
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Does this mean that if I can find a company willing to ship to the UK for a package £15-£135 I can expect the price to include all UK taxes & that it should just be delivered without the previous problem of tax collection & admin fees?
Are packages going to have some sort of identifying number(?) to ensure that the regs have been complied with & that HMRC will get its money?
HMRC website is a nightmare. On the lower limit one page shows £0 as the start and 2 pages show £15. Yer even HMRC dont know LOL.
Like I have said information is thin on the ground.
From what I have read and understood . If you are ordering non tariffable good between £15 and £135 you will be taxed at source. So your parcel should arrive on your doorstep with no additional charges.
Note Ebay.Com (USA) has been offering this service for some time. When you back worked out there charging EBay.com were not doing for love. It was often cheaper to get it shipped and have taxed payed in the UK.
To put the problem in to reference. If a shop overseas sends a 100 parcels a month ever month to the UK. He adds about 3 euros per parcel he wont be making any money. This is all down to HMRC computer system .
As other poster on this thread are saying they can not get shipping to the UK ,it would seam to back up what i have read.
I was speaking to a friend who works in retail in Europe. He say for over seas orders all over the world except the UK is no problem. They have a stock of customs forms which can be got at there post office. They fill in the form 5 min and then post it.
For them to ship to the UK it would be expensive and a nightmare. So at them moment they wont ship to the UK. They are looking at possible restarting with orders over £135.
One option for people who want to buy overseas is. Find a forwarding company in the country of were you want to buy the goods.
Shop sends to them normal P/P charges . Then the forwarding company will ship to the UK but charge you accordingly
John
John
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I really do find all this hard to believe (but that doesn't stop it being true).
It seems to be part of a very mistaken UK obsession that the rest of the world is desperate to trade with us & will do anything necessary to make that happen.
I can't see HMRC going back on this as they are not really interested in small packets getting through easily or cheaply.
I have been having a look at the Banggood website and if I compare a £20 item delivered to the US or the UK there is little difference and certainly not enough to cover 20% VAT on items sold to the UK
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Over the recent years the process has become easier and quicker.
I was below the vat threshold so applied online to HMRC for a TURN.
A pseudo TURN, for one off parcels, would come very quick.
You'd reply with this TURN, or pseudo TURN, if you got an email notification your parcel was in customs and it then got clearance for the courier to deliver. There would be no delay if was on the parcel invoice. The first numeric part tells HMRC you are not vat registered.
Some years ago TURNs became EORI numbers https://www.gov.uk/eori (https://www.gov.uk/eori)
The bigger mail order suppliers (e.g. Digikey corp.) would do the vat addition beforehand and you wouldn't need an EORI or TURN in that case.
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Anyway this is the vac which may be found cheaper possibly but unlikely in this country {-)
https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gas20l-sfc-62ltr-sec-electric-wet-dry-dust-extractor-230v/5338r (https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gas20l-sfc-62ltr-sec-electric-wet-dry-dust-extractor-230v/5338r)
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Cheaper
https://www.howetools.co.uk/bosch-gas-20l-240v-dust-extractor?gclid=CjwKCAiArbv_BRA8EiwAYGs23GAgJqYhpmYVT1LL82Dq3RsJ4fL16SNuqTeZ-NTs76IxjKSIuqxQzxoCeukQAvD_BwE
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Afternoon All
I was looking for a dust extractor / vacuum a couple of months ago, tried to find the Bosch that Andy uses but the UK prices are well, pricey.
So I tried this https://www.cleva-uk.com/products/vacmaster-multi-20-pto (https://www.cleva-uk.com/products/vacmaster-multi-20-pto)
And have been really pleased. Its wet and dry, can be used as regular vacuum and has a PTO. I've been using it with my Proxxon bandsaw, it powers up with the bandsaw, and runs 5s after the bandsaw is stopped. I ordered spare bags but not needed them so far. At £70, its a bargain.
Best regards
David.
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Agreed excellent value :-)
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I looked at vacs a while back and thought that the type of vac required depended on the type of dust being produced.
So, Class L, M and H where H is for hardwoods (and MDF i think) and L/M for softer woods.
Obviously, the cost of the vac goes up the finer the dust.
Andy's is Class L but this one is not classified - so, just a home vac - or am i missing something? (still a good price for a home vac tho!).
Cheers,
Mark
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Hi Mark
I suspect that you absolutely correct. I did pick up a set of these filters to go with the vac and they'rethe bags I use.
https://www.cleva-uk.com/products/vacmaster-dust-bags-fine-filtration (https://www.cleva-uk.com/products/vacmaster-dust-bags-fine-filtration)
And they've been doing a great job so far. I needed a general purpose machine rather than full on workshop.
And of course this has the Power Take Off, so the vacuum switches on and off with the workshop tool being used. Ie bandsaw.
Best regards
David.
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In my days working in the material conveying industry, when close to the end of the companies life, we built industrial versions of the FOX, the type seen if you put workshop dust extractor in a web search engine, but when the boss of the pheonix company (i.e. rose from the ashes of the parent company) I joined, wanted to get a dust extractor for the shed we were working in, he chose to do a youtube version he had seen, it removed the large lumps from entering the standard henry he had, it worked reasonably well, if thats what your after then youtube has quite a few i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WnitgYFnE0
this allows the home hoover to be used without damaging it - that was the purpose he built one, it became more effective when the old company henry came into his possession, that being more powerful ok2
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I got one from Aldi its the Scheppech one great little unit packs away easy under the bench think I payed about £50 and I find it great for model making.
Regards Howard.