Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Tugs and Towing => Topic started by: tizdaz on October 29, 2021, 02:19:42 am
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Hi guys,
I Decided to start a new thread for my build as my previous thread have broken links to all the images :(
...sooo to kick it off, My electric board is pretty much done, but I'm going to be adding a P103 Parallel Power Board to bump up the capacity for longer run times.
Here's a few pics, I've done a dry test & connected everything up & ran it as I would for a good 40+ mins constant, everything seems good (touch wood!) the 2 step up converters barely get warm which is a bonus! will add some vid tommoz, I have to say, the BIER sound module is a top notch piece of kit, its a lot more than just a sound module! ..takes a little getting to grips with the software as there's hundreds of options for lights/fans/sounds etc!
Will take some vid tommoz, I'm pretty happy with the outcome, took a while to complete but worth it i think, Next on the agenda is to complete my second take on the stack (my 1st attempt was good, but the stack was slightly too large! so i made a start on a new one.
Wiring Diagram:
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/temp/diagram%20NEW.png)
Test #1
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/temp/cboard.jpg)
Completed
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Nothing beats Perspex for mounting electronics. O0
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Nothing beats Perspex for mounting electronics. O0
indeed!
the perspex i used was clear, so gave it a coat of black from the underside, did the trick! :)
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Oh yes it does, Paxolin (Tufnol - SRBP or F) isn't subject to static charges.
Regards Ian.
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Wheel almost done, made from scratch using wood & some thin brass rod, gave it a coat of stain/varnish going to give a couple of more coats & tidy it up with a little sanding :)
Last pic has an AA battery in view for size comparison,
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=437)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=435)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=436)
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Electric Board/Box complete :)
Finally finished my electric box :D
i made this box using bits of ply & Perspex, I also decided to fit a 12v fan to the case that i had laying around to help keep the temperature inside the case low. The fan is connected to the Beier USM-RC2 module & I have programmed the module so the case fan operates at 60% & it will also automatically switch off if there has been no signal from the TX after 1 min. It will automatically turn on again as soon as there is a signal again from the TX (Such as forward on throttle or light switch etc). I decided to use pluggable terminal blocks, these are pretty neat & will allow me to insert/remove the electric box with ease :) The two servo extension wires you see are for the Rudder servo lead & the main power switch which i will be fitting somewhere above deck but hidden for easy access to turn the model on/off, I will probably fit the power switch under one of the engine room hatches.
Next the Agenda, is to cover the deck with some filler & also some UPOL Dolphin Glaze as recommended to me by someone in the know! & get it ready for painting along with the hull.
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=438)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=439)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=440)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=441)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=442)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=443)
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oh yeh, also heres new diagram as ive added a P103 and made a few other tweaks etc!
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=444)
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That's a flipping micro pc %% %% %%
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Impressive design, implementation! :o
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lol cheers guys :)
when it comes to electrics/wiring i have OCD i think! even though i will very rarely see it as its tucked under the deck, i still want it to be neat & tidy lol :D
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Like the self destruct plunger on the top.. :}
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Like the self destruct plunger on the top.. :}
i actually felt like self destructing at times while trying to make it! lol
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Why two BUCK 24v converters?
NB: If you still have the images from the previous thread Daz, I'll happily re-add them for you. :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html
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Why two BUCK 24v converters?
NB: If you still have the images from the previous thread Derek, I'll happily re-add them for you. :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html)
im using 2x mist units so decided to use 1 converter for each mister :)
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....'images from the previous thread Derek'....
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do you mean DAZ.... Martin?
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Why two BUCK 24v converters?
NB: If you still have the images from the previous thread Derek, I'll happily re-add them for you. :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html)
i do have them, but no idea what ones are missing from which post etc & i have lots (100's) of images :(
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Why two BUCK 24v converters?
NB: If you still have the images from the previous thread Daz, I'll happily re-add them for you. :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56353.0.html)
i do have them, but no idea what ones are missing from which post etc & i have lots (100's) of images :(
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Deck is now fixed in place & added the coaming, the coaming was fixed in place by screws & also some Titebond III wood glue. The coaming will be covered in Body filler/dolphin glaze when i do the deck to give it a nice finish & watertight seal.
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=463)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=468)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=466)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=467)
so she's now ready for the deck to be filled using this stuff:
Big Boy Ultra Fine Body Filler
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=465)
& then i will use this to finish off:
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=445)
I also fit some Ferrules to my cable ends for the pluggable terminal blocks, I bought the tool from Ebay, and have to say it works perfectly, i tested out the fit by trying to pull the ferrule off with force using a pair of pliers, no chance! it was well & truly fixed on, the crimp tool kit cost just over £14 and that was with 1200 connectors of various sizes (AWG 10 through to AWG22) delivered!
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=469)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=460)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=459)
So next will be filling the deck & finishing it off so i can then get on with the Superstructure build! :)
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Finished the new stack!
The old one was slightly too big so i remade it & now its exactly true to scale, i just need to complete the top/bottom of it & the details etc!
The one on the left is the OLD one compared to the new one on the right side :)
They were both made using planking & some plumbing tube for the centre with wooden/plastic discs as spacers.
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=470)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=471)
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righty!
So I've almost complete new stack, just got to finish off the top of it & then paint it, the colours will be green body with a dark/racing green top section to match what the hull green colour will be.
I've also added a couple of shelves at bottom of hull to place the ballast tubs, just need to add a couple more shelves to the forward & aft of the hull. I'm hoping (if my calculations are correct!!) that the ballast tubs which will total 25kg & then the 4 SLA's which total 25kg along with the superstructure/electric board and all the other bits & pieces etc that this will be more than enough to ballast her :)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=478)
Ballast Shelving:
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=476)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=484)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=483)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=481)
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for some reason images when i post them are sometimes loading & other times they are not!?
just happens randomly what images the page will load?
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That is a bit weird!
Try:
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.msg706658.html#msg706658
or
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.msg719443.html#msg719443
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filled deck using Big Boy Ultra Fine 2-Part filler & then a thin coat of U-Pol Dolphin Glaze, Yes my filling skills are not great, but end result I'm happy with and deck feels solid. Once Bulwark supports are all in place i will then be using some high build primer to cover the whole bulwark area & supports.
I also trimmed the top of bulwark edge to give equal width right the way around.
Making a start on the Bulwark supports now, at first i was going to use 5mm ply but someone mentioned that 3mm would be more scale so im using 3mm ply now! It's a VERY time consuming process as every support has a slightly different shape so using a template to make all of them isn't possible. I still need to make about another 30!
After the Bulwark supports are completed i will then fix them in place then i will make a start on the deck planking :)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=489)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=490)
(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=494)
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(http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?aid=503)
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dont forget to cut the corner off the stay, deck to bulwark. lets the water run through. nemesis
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dont forget to cut the corner off the stay, deck to bulwark. lets the water run through. nemesis
Makes the supports easier to shape and fit as well since you don't need to worry about matching any fillet between the deck and bulwark.
Ralph
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dont forget to cut the corner off the stay, deck to bulwark. lets the water run through. nemesis
yup already noticed that when looking at real photos other day, going to cut the hole out once i have done all the supports, one side done, not fixed in place yet i just slot them in for the pics..
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Slight change of plan in terms of deck, I was hoping to add planking but after looking at the job i think its going to be too complex for me, the issue is the Bulwark is in the way, as usually I'm guessing decking would be done before the bulwark is fit in place but as this hull came with the bulwark s i didn't have that option!
So I've decided I'm just going to do the deck as it is, I know some will say "it shouldn't have planks anyway" but I'm not building my TID to any particular TID that existed, although the rest of the TID will be pretty much the same as the 1:1, the deck i really did want to plank! :(
oh well, I'm still happy with how it is turning out so far considering its my 1st model boat build :)
here's rest of bulwark supports done, i just need to cut out the rat holes & add the thin front plate for each (these are not fixed in place yet i just placed them in position for phots) :)
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Hi, suggest you make the stay cuts a little bigger as by the time you get the paint on the space will vanish and the water will not drain through. nemesis
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Hi, suggest you make the stay cuts a little bigger as by the time you get the paint on the space will vanish and the water will not drain through. nemesis
Hi,
As mentioned in my previous post, i still need to cut out the holes, the pieces i just put in plqce for photos 👍
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Deck all filled & sanded ready for primer, before that i will be fitting the bulwark supports, talking of which, i will be adding the front edge for each bulwark before fixing them to deck. Here's couple of pics of the superstructure, the stack isn't fixed yet as I'm still finishing it off.
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i just spent about 15-20 mins adding lots of update photos only to get a "database" error, its not the first time this has happened when adding images, seems the database has glitches as there's also errors a lot of times when editing a post :(
So going forward for anyone interested with the progress of my TID build, it can be followed on my own website here: http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/index.php (http://www.tizdaz.co.uk/forum/index.php) & also on my FB page for the build: [size=0px]https://www.facebook.com/RCTidTug/ (https://www.facebook.com/RCTidTug/)[/size][/color]
Cheers!
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daz.......certainly a comprehensive listing of photos & videos...well done...... :-)) always good to look back at stages during the build O0
The New Brighton video '27-08-2019, 07:31 PM' has a truck load of background noise >>:-( , but early on [first 27 seconds] and during some closer stages, the hull appears to sound if the propeller drive is cavitating....[drawing air]
So, not sure if this is the intended draft with ballast included?....[what is the unit of measure in each of the plastic tubs balllast tubs?]
I have gone back a bit....is the motor a T12 high torque low speed unit? .......excellent choice for a Tug
You may need to recheck this. I understand the model is a Tug, and it is good to see realistic speeds.......not a speed boat Looking forward to seeing more
Derek
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Hi Derek,
Thanks for comments :-))
The vid was shot very early on in the build, and as such the only ballast used was from the batterys, i think i made a post after the vid regarding the ballast as i calculated it would need around another 20kg, so the sound you heard is due to the hull sitting high so the prop wasnt fully submerged when rotating which as you mention, was drawing air. Im yet to do another wet test to determime the correct waterline/ballast which will be once ive primed/painted the hull.. soon!
The motor is from Mobile Marine Models, it was listed as 24v 12 pole, they no longer sell them i dont think, the actual rpm under load is around 3500-4000 without the need for any gearing, which is ideal for scale speed of my tid :-)) i also have a similar motor but 12v but after testing both in my build, the 24v ran smoother, im running it on 12v. The motors i believe are what are used on electric wheelchairs and escooters!
As soon i get another vid i will post it, im.keen myself to do another wet test but i want to get the hull painted first :-)
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A little more progress...
Front Cabin:
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Bulwark Edging
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overall..
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I've also made the bollards using some brass tubing & in middle of spraying them along with the stack, will post pics soon, here's a vid of my mist unit i made which works in conjunction with my ESC:
https://fb.watch/fHuL0HxyNg/ (https://fb.watch/fHuL0HxyNg/)
you can also faintly hear the sound of the engine in background (im using the BEIER sound module), but i will get a better video shortly of the sound/smoke unit working together :)
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Stack is coming along now, attached the bottom/primed & now in process of spraying it!
Last pic is current stage which shows it masked off to spray the top & bottom black. This is the colour green i will be using for the middle section of hull!
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Made a start on the mast, i made the mast using some 12mm Dowel which i sanded down to get the shape, I then used some brass tubing for the end of mast to make a plug that slots into the front cabin of superstructure where i also fixed a piece of brass tubing for the mast to plug into.
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a little more done to the stack, just some finishing touches needed such as the ring near top which will be done in hull red colour & then satin lacquer to finish,
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Hi Daz,
Great to see this all the way from Tokyo! I grew up in Seacombe and Wallasey and embarrassingly fell into the boating lake about 4 y.o. trying to retrieve my little yacht :P
Following with much interest!
Cheers,
Phil
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Hi Daz,
Great to see this all the way from Tokyo! I grew up in Seacombe and Wallasey and embarrassingly fell into the boating lake about 4 y.o. trying to retrieve my little yacht :P
Following with much interest!
Cheers,
Phil
Thanks buddy, glad you like it!
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Steam Whistle & Escape pipes that will attach to the stack, I made these using some brass tubing bent to shape. As you can see, one pipe is slightly larger in diameter than the other, as on the real TID, the Steam Escape pipe is slightly thicker. For the brackets I used some small brass screw eyes. I will not be painting these parts so they will be left brass.
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so, I've decided i wasn't too keen on the shade of green i used on the stack, so I've gone with a darker shade (this will be the same green colour i will be using for part of the hull & deck etc).
will post pics shortly of the new colour :)
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A great build blog, will keep watching :-))
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A great build blog, will keep watching :-))
Glad your enjoying it :-))
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Rework of my circuit board, swapped out the 2x single head misters for 1x 3 head mister which means less wiring and only 1x converter is needed!
Old diagram vs New diagram...
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been a while since i updated, build was on hold for a while but back on it, few pics of progress and couple of short vids of my home made mister for the stack combined with the BEIER sound module:
Decking:
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank2.png)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank3.png)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank4.png)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank8.png)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank10.png)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Deck%20and%20Hull/slides/DeckPlank14.png)
Front Cabin:
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/20231102_021911.jpg)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/20231102_021944.jpg)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/cabin%20port.jpg)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/20231102_212300.jpg)
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/20231102_220331.jpg)
Mast with internally routed LED's:
(https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Front%20Cabin/slides/mast6.jpg)
Videos of my home made mister:
https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Steam%20Sim%20Unit/index.html#img=mist_soundtest.mp4 (https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Steam%20Sim%20Unit/index.html#img=mist_soundtest.mp4)
https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Steam%20Sim%20Unit/slides/mist_soundtest2.mp4 (https://www.tizdaz.co.uk/Steam%20Sim%20Unit/slides/mist_soundtest2.mp4)
Updated my build website also: http://www.tizdaz.co.uk (http://www.tizdaz.co.uk) :)