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Sales, Wants & TRADERS => Whats in the box? => Topic started by: Alan52 on July 21, 2022, 04:03:16 pm
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Hi all
Just bought this from Mounfleet Models. Its a 1/72nd scale Puffer. Its based around a Vac formed hull and 5 printed Plasticard sheets for deck and superstructure. There are a couple of bags of metal fittings and an etched brass sheet with a lot of detailing parts. It comes with a prop-shaft propeller a plastic coupling and a tiny motor. Rudder assembly and fittings.There is a quite comprehensive instruction manual and a full size plan. Along with this there is a fair amount of plastic strip and wire.
I have attached pictures, which should give you a good idea of what is included. At the bottom, I have attached pictures of some of the accessories they recommend to finish the model. These are not included with the kit, but purchased from the Component shop and Ebay.
https://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/product/1920s-puffer/
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The following pictures are what is suggested to complete the RC installation, but are not included in the kit.
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I believe the kit was originally made by the Model Slipway. The quality of the metal and brass components are excellent and at £75, I think its excellent value for money. I noticed in the August edition of Model Boat magazine, that Mountfleet have a full page advert for this and the same scale Drifter that they do. :-))
Alan
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I built one several years ago when it was a Model Slipway kit, it goes together well and sails well. The provided motor is just right on a 4 pencell NiCd receiver pack and gives a suitable scaleish speed. It is capable of sailing in quite choppy water for a model of this size. I added an action steam sound unit and a 6V steam generator using a light oil.
Jim
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Hi Jim
Yes I agree, its a nice kit. I have started it today. Just glued and trimmed the hull half together.
The additions you added sound really interesting. I hadnt thought of that. I have the Action speed controller that they recommend. I will look into the extra bits you fitted. Thanks for the information Jim. It is appreciated.
Alan
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Hi Sybercottage
I have two sets of a puff hull that are Vac formed, that just look the same as the Mountfleet ones, I was wondering if when you get to the rudder, if you could post some photos of how you went about fixing the rudder to the hull and how you fixed the steering rod to the rudder.
Thanks
Fred
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FYI if it helps, I thought this write-up was well known out there for puffer fans but maybe not....
https://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/doris/14024 (https://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/doris/14024)
...of course I don't now myself if small details changed from Model Slipway to Mountfleet days. Alan is better to say what's provided now. My rudder on my slightly bigger one gave quite a bit of a headche for ages until I realsised how to do it with some strength.
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Hi Fred
Just started the build, but will put up pictures when I can. I shall be doing the build as per the instructions. I must say the instructions are very comprehensive and quite easy to follow.
Best wishes
Alan
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Hi ALan
First sorry that I got you mixed up with Sybercottage,
I am looking forward to your build, and to see just how you fix the rudder.
All the best
Fred
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Hi Fred
No you were right Fred. I changed my forum name today. I use the sybercotage for loads of different logins. Its over 20 years old. I had to miss spell it as at the time I first used it the correct spelling was already taken :embarrassed: .
I have been working on the puffer today and have been trimming the hull and fitting the deck mounts.
Thanks for your interest.
Alan
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Hi
I am unsure if people are aware that the sadly late Dave Milbourn designed and built this model as an actual challenge and obviously he won the bet - I have been looking through some of Dave's posts on Model Boats as I know there are one or two pictures that didn't end up in the instructions. I found one - but I am unsure if this is in the instructions - but - it may be of help to you.
I believe this model was first tried out at the very first Mayhem bash.
See if I can find some more pictures if they are of any help. There may be some on this Forum - from Dave of the build.
John
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Some photos of my build, it is some years ols now so is showing its age. The steam unit is under the cargo hatch with the 4cell NiCd forward of it to give the correct balance. The speaker is mounted under the hatch cover. A FlySky 2.4 GHz receiver (used to be 40 MHz) and the Action speed controller are velcroed to the hull sides under the rear hatch, The model is quie dry and gets very little water inside after a sail.
I have added a couple of photos showing the rudder linkage, the hinges are a folded brass etch glued onto the sternpost. The linkage is just a brass rod above deck with a slot in the superstructure that goes over the rod. The rudder post is brass rod with a brass sheet rudder and etched brass control horn soldered to it.Jim
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Hi John and Jim.
Thanks John for the information and photo. No the photo is not shown in the instructions, but any information is a help.
Thanks Jim for the photos, very nice job. Likewise I have a Action speed controller, which is what they recommend. Using 4 cell nicad as well as per the pictures at the beginning of the post. Been fitting the running gear today. A bit tight for propeller removal, but enough. Thanks for supplying the pictures of the stern and rudder gear. Jim was asking for photos when I reached this stage, so hope that helps Jim. :-))
Thanks to both of you for the information. It is appreciated.
Alan
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Hi Jim
Could I just ask what steam unit you used on your puffer and what voltage it used. :-))
Thanks
Alan
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Hi Alan52
I am going to use one of these in my puffer, I have used them in some of my other boat and it does not look to bad even if I say so myself. six volt smoke generator for a Henglong tank, with QTX smoke/fog fluid
Fred
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Hi Fred
Did you use a separate power supply for the smoke generator? I am going to run the puffer on 4.8volts. Have seen those spoke generators on eBay.
Thanks :-))
Alan
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Hi Jim
Could I just ask what steam unit you used on your puffer and what voltage it used. :-))
Thanks
Alan
Hi Alan, if I remember correctly it was a Graupner 6V version. I am running it off of the 4.8V pencell NiCd receiver battery. Been a few years now since I fitted it so can't be more certain about the make.
Jim
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Hi Jim
Thanks for that. Most I have seen are either 6 or 12v. Just wondered if they would work with 4.8v, but thanks for the information.
Best wishes.
Alan
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Handsome little boat. I like 1/72 scale.Hull is definitely proportioned around creating hold volume.
Puffer ... memory wants to say Clyde puffer.Now, off to Google to see what my memory is dredging up.
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Hi Fred
Did you use a separate power supply for the smoke generator? I am going to run the puffer on 4.8volts. Have seen those spoke generators on eBay.
Thanks :-))
Hi Alan
I don't know, as the units that I have in my other boat, is running off the 6 volt battery, the blower motor is max rated at six volts, so I see no reason why you can not run it off 4.8, I would think that if you run it at 4.8 you would not get as much smoke as you would from six volts.
I will have a look at it some time over the weekend.on the other hand you could try making one, I have used a 20mm 113khz ultrasonic humidifier mist maker + PCB board eBay No 154753018278 I know that that this one will work on 4.8 - 8 volt it cost £8.58 and works on water.
If you P/M me you email address I can send you a vid of the one the I am playing with at the moment.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thanks for the information. PM sent. :-))
Alan
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Just an update on my puffer build.
I have uploaded some pictures of where I am at the moment with a couple of shots that I took as the build progressed. The only problem is at this size any sanding mark or scratch looks like a tram line once primed. I assembled the lower cabin and attached all the steps and handrails, but once primed you could see through the holes with the steps etc fitted. I had a go at filling but with everything fixed in it was a job to sand. Anyway I am still persevering. I have planked the For and Aft decks, but not sure about the colour. That may change.
The instructions and plan are well thought out and quite easy to follow. Made a few cock ups by following the instruction book and not also referring to the plan (lesson learnt) %) .
Anyway here are some photo's of the build so far.
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That's it so far. I will post more pictures as it progresses'
Thanks :-))
Alan
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I really like how the rudder is done to make a secure attachment to the plastic hull.
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Hi Scott
Yes the whole kit has been well thought out. I epoxied the rudder onto the hull and had to hardly trim anything. The brass just folds over the keel. Its a bit of a job filing the brass rod to shape and I am not that great at soldering, but got there in the end. You can of course epoxy the rudder to the brass rod.
Alan
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Just a note re. waterlines on these models. The real thing did not have a waterline as such. The red oxide paint was extended up to the bottom of the bulwarks because when fully laden they sat quite low in the water. Also, they had a curious stern down posture, with the point of balance occurring just ahead of the wheelhouse. Just look at any old photos of the originals and note to angle of the bow/mast to the horizon--definitely not at 90 degrees! This was a distinguishing feature of puffers, as opposed to the later VICs. When empty or carrying a light cargo, the effect was more pronounced. The waterline shown in the plan is false, as is the case with most kit/model photos I have seen that show the model sitting primly on a conventional waterline.
For this reason I intend to try a 6V battery in mine, which will add a little more ballast for a fully laden look, while my Graupner 4.8V-6V smoke generator should produce a slightly greater volume of smoke. Motor speed can be controlled with the throttle stick.
I'll post some pics of the model in the water when I get around to finishing it!
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Hi Seagate
Thanks for the information. There will be a lot of model puffers out there with the wrong waterline if they have followed the supplied instructions. It makes you wonder how much research goes in when they make a kit.
I am using the suggested 4.8volt Ni-mh in mine. I also will be fitting an Action ESC and Sound generator. If it doesn't sit right I will be using car balance weights to even it up. I also intend to fit navigation lights. I have just bought some Nano led's and am trying to figure out how to fabricate the surround.
I would like to see how you get on with yours and if you could put some pictures up it would be appreciated. :-))
Alan
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Just a note re. waterlines on these models. The real thing did not have a waterline as such. The red oxide paint was extended up to the bottom of the bulwarks because when fully laden they sat quite low in the water.
Like the one pictured on the following blog page?
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/2247854/44065512 (http://www.ipernity.com/doc/2247854/44065512)
Being curious I went and played in Google.
Interesting,
The Clyde puffer is a type of small coal-fired and single-masted cargo ship built mainly on the Forth and Clyde canal and which provided a vital supply link around the west coast and Hebrides islands of Scotland. Built between 1856 and 1939, these stumpy little steamboats achieved an almost mythical status thanks largely to the short stories Neil Munro wrote about the Vital Spark and her captain Para Handy, which produced three television series.
Characteristically these boats had bluff bows, crew's quarters with table and cooking stove in the focsle, and a single mast with derrick in front of the large hold, aft of which the funnel and ship's wheel stood above the engine room while the captain had a small cabin in the stern. When publication of the Vital Spark stories began in 1905 the ship's wheel was still in the open, but later a wheelhouse was added aft of the funnel giving the puffers their distinctive image. Their flat bottom allowed them to beach and unload at low tide, essential to supply remote settlements without suitable piers. Typical cargoes could include coal and furniture, with farm produce and gravel sometimes being brought back.
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Hi Scott
Its certainly an education. I would never have guessed there where so many permutations. When you look at pictures of completed models, there are lot of discrepancy's out there. Anyway thanks for the picture Scott. Its nice to see these old puffers still about. :-))
Alan
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Hi,
There's such a huge amount of info out there on puffers you just can't not find anythig of use (someone quoted text directly off wikipedia before). They are such ubiqitous boats of their type in the era. The ones going up the canals were loaded pretty much until the decks were awash, the ones going up the coast would take on as much as they dared, the ones up and over the isles couldn't get away with that -but many sank trying and if I recall reading, skippers and some rules changed as a result.
I'm sure I said to you in PM, but on a smaller one I'm nervous about where it sits on the water, keep the weight very low-down. I painted my waterline off pictures and ended up re-painting it again. I know you're building off a good kit but it is very small and chances of it being very tender are quite high.
...Looks good anyway, I did pretty much the same thing with my rudder set-up to give strength in a vulnerable area.
...Always love to see puffer builds!
Rich
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Like the one pictured on the following blog page?
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/2247854/44065512 (http://www.ipernity.com/doc/2247854/44065512)
That's exactly what I meant. However, I believe the vessel in the picture is actually a later VIC painted and named to represent Para Handy's boat.
As an aside, I also believe that Para's puffer, at least as described in the earlier of Munro's tales, was one of those built without a wheelhouse, with the wheel being situated on the deck immediately aft of the engine room structure. It'd be fun to convert this kit into one of the early versions, which are rarely seen. Also, only the first few puffers fitted with single cylinder engines actually made the 'puffing' sound for which they were named. Action produce a sound unit for this as well as the multi cylinder version.
Anyhow, I hope my current model turns out as neat as Alan's!
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Hi Rich and Seagate.
Rich
Thanks for the information. The boat will certainly not be a rough whether boat. I had the same sort of problem with the mooring tug, which is a similar size. All the weight for that is low down, but that doesn't have a high superstructure like the puffer, so I can see a lot of adjustment in the sink to get it right :-) . Impressed with your 3D printed puffer :-)) .
Seagate
Thanks for the information and advice. The Action sound unit I have is, you are right a single cylinder version. Havant found a suitable smoke unit yet. Most of the small units seem to be for model railways and I feel would not be of much use as I cant see them producing much smoke. Looking forward to seeing yours when its finished. You can never have enough Puffers. :-))
Thanks Both
Alan
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Just an update.
Just planked the lower part of the bridge and re-painted the lower cabin. Still not sure about colours, so may change again. going to have a go at sorting the electrics as I want to make sure everything fits in and works before attaching the decks. Just bought some nano led's from www.smallascalelights.co.uk I have used them before and always get a good service. Just have to work out how to fabricate the lights into something that looks realistic. :-)
Alan
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Colors bring to mind Great Western Railway 'chocolate and cream' carriage colors on the pilot house, & the engine room, a color sometimes used on lineside buildings.
Models for illustration, http://yeomanmodels.com/great-western-railway/
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Hi Scott
Yep, that's the railway modeller in me. Always liked the GWR and it's colour schemes. Looks like the puffer will be re-locating to the west country {-) .
Alan
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Yep, that's the railway modeller in me. Always liked the GWR and it's colour schemes. Looks like the puffer will be re-locating to the west country
Speaking of GWR and looks ...
I wonder what a "Brunel broad gauge" Puffer would look like ... :D (boat which is as wide as it is long?)
But seriously, it could be fun to create a story about how the boat crew ended up with 'surplused' railway paint ... after all, don't all great models have great stories behind them?
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Another update.
Just installed the rudder servo and made a battery tray. Also used Stan's tip for Vac Formed hulls. Used fiber glass tissue and Stablit Express to strengthen the bow and stern, although not as tidy as Stan's finish. :-))
Alan
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Watching.
I guess that you all know that you can go on holiday on a Puffer;
https://cruisesinscotland.com/boat/vic-32/ (https://cruisesinscotland.com/boat/vic-32/)
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I guess that you all know that you can go on holiday on a Puffer;
https://cruisesinscotland.com/boat/vic-32/ (https://cruisesinscotland.com/boat/vic-32/)
That last bit, :}
CLOTHES
We recommend you bring simple, light clothing for hot days, together with ...
Please also remember to bring your own towels.
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I think that it is a cruise like no other. You can basically do all the jobs on the ship so if you want to get dirty you can be stoker etc but if you just want to lol about that is fine as well.
It is about as far from a Princess cruise as you can get but much more involving.
As it is Scotland I would ask about waterproofs!
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Just need a steam generator that shoots out black smoke like the Vic {-)
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Not much done at the moment. Waiting for some bits to arrive. Fitted the motor. Wired up the sound module to the speaker. Fitted the oil tank and funnel.
Alan
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Decided to make some fittings for the wheelhouse. Used some of the waste plastic to make a table first aid box and shelf. Managed to find a 1/72nd Binnacle and ships wheel on Ebay. I made the Telegraph from tube and rod.The figure is an old Dapol workman. Decided to fit the glazing. Big mistake here. Used superglue resulting in some fogging. I should have used PVA or canopy fix. I have touched it up as best I can , but not to happy with the result. Not a lot I can do now. I am telling myself its a working boat so would have dirty windows.
Here are a few photo's. Sorry about the quality. {:-{
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That works! From what is seen in the photos you recovered well from the window fogging.
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Thanks Scott.
Its OK from a distance, but not to clever when you get close up. It's 1/72nd scale and only about 13" long. I don't know what I was thinking. Used PVA on the Mooring tug with no problems. At this scale everything is a bit fiddly. Just about to make the struts for the hatch cover :(( .
Alan
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Its OK from a distance, but not to clever when you get close up.
I wonder if carefully painting the transparencies with something like Tamiya's X-22 clear gloss acrylic would help?
On small 1/72 windows even applying it with the classic hairy stick would be feasible if masking and airbrushing is too much work for the result.
"As an added bonus at no extra charge" doing that kind of thing often changes the reflectance of the clear plastic and makes it appear more like actual glass would.
It relates to where aircraft modelers often dip canopies in clear acrylic floor finish, or use the gloss.
I've used the X-22 clear on 1/87 scale and 1/48 scale model railway train windows and even a few structure windows.
Now, granted, I've not had the opportunity to use it as part of recovering from CA fogging, but something in me wants to say it remembers reading someone doing that and as part of an overall process it helped.
How accurate is that memory? There's a question that I'm not going to bet the bunch of brass 15mm handrail stanchions which I just got, on.
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Hi Scott
Thanks for the information. I might try Tamiya. I used to use Johnsons Klear for canopies and also to coat my kits in. It was ideal to give a variety of finishes and also good as a base before weathering. Not sure if I am going to weather the puffer yet. Just spent a glorious evening fitting and sanding the supports for the side of the hatch cover.
However I may try your idea Scott. Sound like it could help. Much appreciated. :-)) :-))
Thanks
Alan
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Welcome!
Because its current availability and product name are uncertain here in US and maybe UK too in recent conversations on a model aircraft forum, a sci-fi model forum, and a flying model rocket forum, I decided to not mention Johnson's Kleer. But yes, it is useful stuff.
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Your right Scott
The formula has changed and it was changing hands for silly money on EBay and else where. I dont think the product marketed now is so good. I shall try Tamiya as that is easily available and I think is worth a try.
Thanks again for the information. :-))
Alan
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So impressed with the Puffer. I couldn't resist buying the Drifter. It came today and is a vary comprehensive kit including motor. Same price as the Puffer. £75 delivered. :-)) :-))
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That is a nice looking kit. These little 1/72 scale boats are really appealing, both for being that scale and being more readily portable than a same scale 18,000 TEU container ship.
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Hi, might sound silly but I find a cotton bud (ear picker thing) wetted with a bit of saliva really quite effective removing remains of CA fumes. Maybe not perfect but has worked for me many times in the past! I'm not a fan of canopy glue, the zap stuff I tried turns back white as soon as any moisture touched it. It's permanently binned now. I went back to epoxy, or clear silicone glue from Hobbycraft for window glazing now.
Rich
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Hi Scott
Yes I agree, they are just the right size to stick in the car for that unexpected piece of water that you might find. Not sure if these kits are available in America, but I am sure they do mail order. I am impressed with the quality and also the supplied instructions.
Alan
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An outfit here in US which I have used in past carries the brand but not any of the 1/72 scale boats at present, https://www.loyalhannadockyard.com/MFM%20HEADER.htm
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Hi Scott
The box it came in is quite small. 17 x 9 x 3 and there is hardly any weight to it. I would say 2 or 3lbs. Not sure what that would cost to post to America. I would have thought that the 20% vat we pay would be taken off of the price. Your stockiest in the US might be able to order it for you :-))
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Hi Rich
Thanks for the tip. I have now cleaned it up as best I can and it doesnt look to bad. I may decide to weather it later so that would sort it, but grateful for your help.
Thanks
Alan
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Just as a bit of info the Slipway steam drifter is a bit of a mix between a drifter and trawler. It's missing the gallows so is not quite a trawler and importantly it is missing the steam capstan that was essential on a drifter for pulling the nets ( with a total length of several hundred yards it would be very hard work to pull them by hand.) The steam capstans went back to the earlier sailing drifters as the only powered machine on board.
Jim
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I would say 2 or 3lbs. Not sure what that would cost to post to America.
Julie in Surrey and I have mailed various things including books and model trains both ways between Surrey and Missouri: it recently cost just over $40 to send a 2lb book first class from here to there in a minimum allowable dimension 4 inch deep box.
Modeling is currently being financed off Social Security Disability and unlike those people you hear gossip about I've not yet figured out how to get rich off that income.
I would absolutely love to build their 1/72 scale series, Puffer, Drifter, and somewhere I think I've seen a 1/72 tug, to go with my supposed 1/72 scale rubberband powered balsa submarines but there is only the one of me and health is a bit inconvenient.
Wish Mountfleet's product listings were more open and up-front about what boat is what scale, https://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/the-range/ (https://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/the-range/) A few boats give scale up front but all the rest are a rather irritating buried treasure adventure.
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Hi Scott
Sorry to hear about your situation. Unfortunately postage charges these days are astronomical when sending or buying from overseas. Have you thought about converting 1/72nd plastic kits. I had a Linburg tug years ago that I converted to RC. I have seen motor and prop shaft with propeller set up on Ali express for not a lot of money. I bought my servo off of EBay they are quite cheap.There is a lot of cheap stuff from china, but I know some of it gets a slating.
No one asks for disability and people that make comments are lucky they are not in the same situation.Not sure what your welfare system is like in America but you deserve some help.
Best wishes
Alan
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Hi Jim
Thanks for the information.
I shall do a bit more research before I build the kit.
Best wishes
Alan
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Progress a bit slow this week.
As before made a tray for the batteries to sit in and also added some ballast. Now I have made a removable tray to sit over the top of the battery tray.I have connected the steam module to the speed controller and these now sit on the tray along with the receiver. The Micro Steam Whistle arrived from the component shop today and this will be fitted to an Action Electronics P69 micro switcher. They told me that a new version of this is due in next week, so I have put one on order. Still not sure about fitting a smoke unit yet though.
Just fitted the main deck and waiting for everything to dry. Hopefully once that is dry, I can fit the rear deck. :-)) :-))
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Decks fitted and hatch cover finished. Speaker installed under the hatch. Not to keen on the colour of the hatch cover, but it's the best I could find. Still a fare bit to do.
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Oh, just leave the hatch cover out in the sun and salt spray for a couple years and that will mellow the hue.
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Might just stain it :-))
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Bit more progress today. Made the railings and connected everything up. Needed to tidy up the wiring as it's all over the place, but it all works :-)) :-))
Also treated myself to a portable airbrush. Normally use rattle can's but thought I would give this a try. It's from a company called Neat & Handy. Based in America , but have a warehouse in the UK. The revues seem pretty good and for the amount of stuff I will use it for, it,s enough.
https://www.neatandhandy.com/products/premium-airbrush-for-hobbies-crafts?currency=GBP (Admin)
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Ooh, I like the look of that little gizmo - I'll have to have a look later - thank you for sharing. :-)
Ray.
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Ahh, airbrush brings to mind something I was going to say about that brand-new-bright hatch cover but decided to not say since it was unknown whether you had one.
If it were me wanting to tone down the hue ...
I'd mist it with a thinned coat of a light olive color so as to suggest sun fading/bleaching.
(Assuming such a thing is even possible in the rainy British Isles)
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Hi Scott
Yes that was one of the reasons I bought it :embarrassed:
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You're making another great job of this one too Alan! What type of coupling is that for the motor?
I'm also interested in that smoke unit :D . Following along and looking forward to your next updates. =)
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Hi Phil
The coupling is as supplied with the kit. Its rubber tube. The motor has (for solar power) written on it so I would suspect its used with some sort of garden object. However it runs very smoothly. I have just received the steam whistle from the Component shop. Just waiting for the switcher unit from them to make it switchable from the transmitter. Still not sure about the smoke unit Phil. Been looking for a while but most searches come up with the type fitted to OO scale trains. Someone mentioned that Grupner did one, but most require 6v and I am running 4.8v.
Waiting for some figures to arrive from Modelu, who put a post up recently. The boat looks to clean at the moment, so may get a dose of weathering when finished.
Thanks for your comments Phil. Much appreciated. :-)) :-)) :-))
Alan
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Figures came today from Modelu.
They put a post on the forum introducing their range of figures. The figures are 3D printed and come attached to a frame, which is very easy to remove. They show the figures painted and unpainted on their site, which is helpful. Mine are 1/72nd scale, but their range goes from 1/148 right up to 1/10th scale. Mine cost £4.50, but price obviously goes on the scale size. Really impressed with the detail and quality. :-)) :-))
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Hi Alan,
Build looks great.
I'm not knocking action electronics but their steam simulator outwardly looks quite large in a model this size -especially so if a separate switcher is needed also. Mike at modelradioworkshop makes the little twin "toot" (puffer) steam whistle I have in my puffer. The PCB is similar to a large postage stamp, probably about same weight of a 20p piece and fed straight from Rx channel using 4.8v compared to Action saying they need 6v+.
For smoke units it might have been me in PM: I've used the little Seuthe 6v smoke units before (Gaugemaster / Robbe / Grupner re-brands etc). I didn't have any problem running them off less than 6v (model railways dont run constant voltage either). My little 14" TID type tug had one fitted in a funnel made, if a recall from an old solder tube. I used the "popping" fluid rather than the contstant smoking one. But for my 1:48 puffer now I'm all out of weight that far up abve waterline and the funnel was printed from PLA which has quite a low glass transition temperature so deforms much more easily with temperature so my spare unit is saved for some other rainy day.
Rich
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The figures are 3D printed and come attached to a frame, which is very easy to remove. ... Really impressed with the detail and quality. :-)) :-))
3D printing has been a huge benefit to having figures for scale models. Other bits too, even entire model kits, but especially beneficial for having figures.
Some years back it was hilarious on a scale model tank and airplane forum to see members talking about whether 3D printing would ever be of use to the scale model hobby when miniatures gamers; sci-fi modelers; 1800s model railroaders; narrow-gauge model railroaders; garden railway modelers, had already been using it for a couple years.
Step outside the box and cross pollinate, mate, cross pollinate.
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Hi Rich
Thanks for the info on modelradioworkshop. Never heard of them, but will have a look. I am still not sure about the smoke unit. I think at this scale its probably not worth the bother. Modelboatbits do a very nice smoke unit for £35. This unit would be ideal, but to big for this scale boat.
I have loaded the boat with lead tyre balance weights and its near the waterline, but may need a bit more. Action are bringing out a replacement micro switcher soon. Surprisingly there is still a fare bit of space still left in there.
Thanks again for the information.
Alan
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A bit more progress. Finished the rear steps and grab rails. Rear deck fittings attached and rear box and pips. I have weathered the deck and also the main hatch. It's toned down the deck quite a bit. Also assembled the winch. Just needs painting and fixing in place.
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And she keeps on coming together quite nicely. :-))
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Thanks Scott
Just starting to weather it down a bit. Every time I think its nearly there I find more stuff in the box {-)
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Every time I think its nearly there I find more stuff in the box {-)
Do ya think they might have inadvertently got some role playing gamer's 'box of holding'?
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I think someone keeps dropping bits in the box {-)
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Test picture
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Thanks for the information Stan. I am on Google now looking for Images with paint. :-)) :-))
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Puffer whistle sound module came today. Thanks to Rich (RST) for the recommendation. It uses real sound and is straight forward to fit. Bought it from www.modelradioworkshop.co.uk . They sell a number of different sound modules as well as other bits and pieces. The unit is powered via the receiver battery and no extra wiring is necessary. Simply plug into a spare channel and connect to a speaker. The unit is not waterproof and will need to be put in a plastic bag etc. The sound quality is very good. :-))
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Cool stuff.
Okay, this is where you go back now and build a brand new hatch cover from that cloth they put over stereo speakers ...
ok2
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Or just use the existing speaker :}
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A bit more progress. New horn installed and nearly finished the front end. Winch and front deck fittings in place. Just put first coat on the mast and boom along with mast fittings. Waiting for some bits to arrive, before I can do anymore.
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Coming along nicely Alan,
I just posted some pics. if you're interested. Not very often you get the chance to get close to one in the flesh these days!
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,68624.msg743494/topicseen.html#msg743494 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,68624.msg743494/topicseen.html#msg743494)
Rich
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Hi Rich
Thanks for that, now thats what I call reference photos. Great pictures. Looked like you had a great day. :-)) :-))
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Alan, she is coming together nicely!
Rich, those are great photos. Hmm, in photo named VIC32, 14, is that multiple cords to multiple whistles on back of stack?
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Hello ScottW,
It is indeed 7 whistles I think at aft in addition to 2 forwards (not near my computer to check at moment). Maybe there's a keyboard inside next to the wheel? The Engineer was away by the time I saw that!
...Maybe better to keep questions on that separate from Alan's thread. Actually I realised after the uploads that the thread is in the wrong section of the website so asked them to be moved to "steam R&D" and if possible to sticky it. I can post a little more info on a few things there.
Alan, I've a few MRW boards. I didn't wrap or box them up because I figured no different from RX if water gets that far. I only just thought tonight though maybe a smear with silicone or a careful thick coating of varnish might help moisture proof them.
Rich
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Needs a bit of work / maintenance chaps....! ok2
https://youtu.be/3z6nl3EyOo4?t=33
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She's going into Corpach this winter for repairs otherwise she looked pretty good considering build date of 1943. I can explain some of what on the other thread.
...I just had dogs running round in someone's living room on your video?
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Started to paint the crew today. Really impressed with these Modelu Figures. :-))
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Hi Alan,
Thank you for providing the info on the coupling.
I'm currently on a 3 hour train journey and so relaxing and catching up on your build updates. It's looking excellent, with plenty of character 👍
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Thanks Phil
I have been following your Zwarte Zee build. Great photo,s. Really looking forward to this build. :-)) :-))
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Tried a bit more figure painting today. I am afraid my eyes are not to great, but he is passable at 1/72nd :-)
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Tried a bit more figure painting today. I am afraid my eyes are not to great, but he is passable at 1/72nd :-)
I'd call him passable at 4 inches, 10cm, tall on this PC monitor. :-))
Nobody expects you to paint the blackheads on his nose at that scale.
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Just trying to get the colour of the tea in his cup right {-)
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Ok she has a name. Rosie after my mum.
Finished quite a bit today. Rigging etc. Still have the electrics to sort out and tidy up and a few more detailing bits, but I think its nearly there. I bought a micro speaker which is attached to the bottom of the funnel for the whistle and the engine sound comes out of the speaker under the hatch. Next a bit of weathering, then hopefully down to the lake. :-)) :-)) :-))
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OK she has a name. Rosie after my mum.
Lovely!
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Love this build... :-))
Would you mind giving us a running total / 'bill of materials' for your build ... excluding tools etc...?
£75 - Kit https://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/product/1920s-puffer/
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Hi Martin
Kit Mountfleet models
.£75
The following from the Component Shop:
Action P68a esc
£21
P64a engine sound module
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£23.50
4.8 2600 AA Niamh 2x2 battery pack
..£6.90
40mm Mylar speaker
£3.50
Miniature toggle switch
..£0.90
Modelradiosupplies. Puffer whistle sound MRW66
£26.50
Ebay
Small speaker. 14mm x 20mm
£3.49
MG90s servo
..£3.90
1 Mtr Fibre glass tissue
.£4.89
Cotton fabric
£2.60
Wood planking
..£4.00
Gutter man line for rigging
.£1.86
Wheel weights
£4.99
I make that a grand total of £183.03 or there about.
I also bought 3 figures from Modelu at £13.50.
Radio used is a Planet TS2.
Obviously paint and glue etc on top of this.
I still plan to add a bit more detail. I want a dinghy to go on top of the hold and a few other bits. Then I think I will be done. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Rosie and the crew look good, ready to get underway and ply their trade!
(Hmm, "Rosie and the crew", if that was a band's name what would they play?)(actually, that could be a fictional back story for the model, the guys are popular at the pubs when they overnight in port)
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Lovely model.
Looking at your costing it really is a very complete kit. If you extract the rc and sound bits there is not much extra cost left.
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Hi Tug
Yes you are right. You dont have to put the sound modules in, so that would bring the price down by about £50. I think for the money, they are a good buy. No problem with the quality and fit of the parts, all are very good. Its a compact kit, so easy to cart about. Instructions and plan are very good and easy to follow. I have bought the other kit from Mountfleet the Drifter. Content seems similar and quality is as good. I did a review of that in whats in the box.
Thanks for your comments Tug :-))
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Forgot to say, the battery pack was as suggested in the plan and as the picture shows. This is the layout suggested. It does help with the ballasting placed in the position shown. Part number 4vp2600aa-h. From the Component shop. :-))
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Hi Alan,
A great looking vessel, the shot outside in the light shows her off beautifully.
I'm looking forward to seeing what additional details you'll add. Keep up the good work!!
Phil
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Hi Phil
Thanks for the comment. I have managed to find a clinker dinghy to add to the hold on Fleabay. I will put some pictures up when it's finished. Also I am going to put a picture up of the micro speaker which I have fitted below the funnel.
Love your Zwarte Zee build :-)) :-)) :-))
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A Few more photos. Had a bit of ballasting to do as it had a list,but I think its nearly there. Tested in the sink. Fitted a clinker dinghy to the hold. Waiting for a few more detail bits to arrive. Also picture of the micro speaker fitted to the base of the funnel. It is surprisingly loud. Tidied the wiring up and fitted cable tidies to the hold. I think I might need some more wight at the back end.
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Even if merely the sink, a boat looks 'right' in the water.
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And so it begins. The next project????
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Hull form has quite the tugboat look to it.
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Mountfleet Steam Drifter .... ?
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No Martin, but it is 1/72nd. :-)
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Dumas Carol Moran?
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Tug
You are spot on. Its the 1/72nd Dumas Carol Moran :-)) :-))
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You are spot on. Its the 1/72nd Dumas Carol Moran :-)) :-))
https://www.hobbies.co.uk/dumas-carol-moran-harbour-tug-1-72-scale-rc-ready-model-boat-kit
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Thatll be the one Martin.
I will start a build log soon but not on this post :-)) :-))
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Just bought this off of Amazon.
Its a Mini cordless electric grinder come drill. Uses USB to charge and comes with a selection of bits.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09CLHYG8G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Its on offer at the moment at £18.36
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Congratulations! You've made a fine job of her. Agreed, love the shots in the sink {-)
At that size, maybe I could 'shimmy' another model into our fledgling fleet here.
Please add a clip of her sailing if possible (Vimeo is a decent service)
Yeah! A Carol Moran - eager to see how this one goes.
Cheers,
Phil
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Hi Phil
Thanks very much for the comments.
You have always got room for another kit ;) . Yes as soon as I get chance I will take some videos and let you know.
Just started on the Carol Moran and will get a build thread up soon. Just bought the Van Strealen Mine sweeper off of Deans Marine, another compact kit. Must try something bigger soon. :-)
Thanks
Alan
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Just had these arrive today. Bought off of Ebay. Laser cut MDF. He does them in different scales as well.
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Hi ALan52
Could you please post a link for the ladders, I know I am just lazy.
Fred
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Hi Fred
No problem, its www.scenicroutemodels.net
Alan :-)) :-))
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Thanks Alan :-))
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Hi ALan52
Could you please post a link for the ladders, I know I am just lazy.
Fred
Fred I think I found the same on Ebay inside half a minute searching for "laser cut model ladders".
Alan,
It's all the little details that make Puffers come to life. I found some laser cut bicycles for mine at 1:50 (they might be from the same place -I can't remember where I put them now!). Am interested what steam sound unit you fitted. You know that Puffers don't "puff" or "chuff" since about 1900ish when they came out of the canals? You have reminded me to fit the scupper flaps on my Puffer to keep water off deck though as mine is a bit tender -I couldn't have the steam whistle loudspeaker under the funnel -had to go lower down to keep CoG lower.
Rich
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Hi Rich
Yes you are right about the detail. I have just found some 1/72nd bicycles and a few other little bits that I plan to add. The puffer sound unit is from Component shop and is from their Action range. Its ok, but not true puffer sound. It is generated sound. In fact I have that sound going through the small speaker and the whistle, which is a real recording through the large speaker under the hold. Thanks on the tip for that as I had never heard of that company.
I have just started the next project which is the Dumas Carol Moran tug. Similar sort of construction to the puffer with two piece hull. I will be putting some pictures up soon on a separate listing.
Thanks
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Speaking with Chef Engineer on Vic 32 a few weeks ago when she was in town -the boiler / engine sounds much like a kettle on full boil at most (I can vouch for this having seen her sailing past in previous years and all there was was black smoke and a slight hiss).
Good luck with the Dumas kit. I'm not a modeller of American prototypes but I do watch lots of builds on rcgroups and other forums. I think Dumas have some very strange use of materials in some of their smaller kits so it would be interesting to see how you find them. There is a relatively recent (I mean within last few years) someone built a small Dumas tug on thercmodelboatforum.com if you haven't found it already.
Rich
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Hi Rich
Yes I think the only way to get a decent sound for the puffer would be a recording. Unfortunately at this scale it would be hard. Really nice experience you had though Rich.
With regard to the Dumas Carol Moran. The hull although vac-formed is not the type I have been used to. It's a strange type of thick plastic. They recommend CA to join the hull together, followed by a fiber glass bandage. Seemed to work OK, but might give it a coat of Stablit.
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Yes, PVC etc. Using Cyanoacrilate on plastic that can be solvent welded is just moronic to me but seems to work for some!
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Still waiting for a few other detail bits to arrive, but the bicycles arrived. Bought these from a company called Scalemodelscenery. A search on google should bring them up. They mainly deal with Model Railways, but sell some useful detailing peaces.
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HI RST
It's just me being Lazy. need to work on my time management.
Fred
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Nice additions on the detailing Alan, they fit right in with the working look of the boat. ;D
Have you started a thread for the Carol Moran build? I had a hunt around on the forum but couldn't spot it.
Cheers,
Phil
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Hi Phil
Your right, I think adding a little extra detail does improve the look.
I havent started the thread yet as I am waiting for a reply from Dumas. I have a problem with the combing around the hold. The cutout for the hold is pre-cut and the lower cabin is made on a jig. Problem is with the combing fitted as per the instructions. The cabin will not fit. I had to hack away about a quarter of an inch to make it fit, which then leaves a gap. I followed their instructions and also watched two other builds on YouTube, so I know the method I used was correct. I can only think that I that their must be a problem with the supplied parts.
Once I receive a reply I will move forward. It is reparable, but should not happen. Once I start again I will put a build thread up.
Thanks.
Alan
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Received answer and parts from Dumas to correct and at no charge. Brilliant service. :-)) :-))
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That's good news Alan, glad it could get sorted for you. Looking forward with interest to your next posts.
Cheers,
Phil
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Thanks Phil
Hoping to post the build soon. :-)) :-))
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Just re-ballasted using Tyre Balance weights. Windy day on the Isle of Wight.
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Weather was great but very windy. Needs a bigger motor for this type of water. {:-{
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Alan she looks absolutely perfect on the water. It's such a good job you've made.
I'll be honest, following your build thread has planted a bit of a seed in my mind to pick this kit up, the idea is percolating atm hahaha. I have some non-boat related projects to do first so I'll see.
Thanks for posting the pics, can you describe the handling? (Noted it was windy on the day). Also curious, how accessible is the propshaft for future greasing.
Cheers,
Phil
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Hi Phill
Thanks for the comments.
There is another in the same range from Mount-fleet at the same price, I have this in my stash, It's the Drifter. I think they are incredible value for money and not a lot more required to finish. As for handling. It's certainly not a rough weather boat. I have wheel balance weights for ballast and I am still not sure it's right. The day in question was quite bright and sunny with a moderate breeze. We where on a lake on the sea front on the Isle of Wight. However it did struggle a bit. I would say it would be perfect for large ponds or areas that are sheltered with little or no breeze. It was bobbing about a bit, but that may be down to my ballasting.
As for the accessibility for greasing. It would not be as easy as in a larger size boat, but having said that it is not a hard job to do, just a bit more time consuming.
Next project at the moment is the Dumas Carol Moran. I have had quite a break on this one and am about half way through. I must start posting some photo's soon. :-))
Thanks again for the comments Phill and great job on the Zwarte Zee :-))