The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Pleasure boats, Sports, Race, Power and Leisure Boats: => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on April 23, 2023, 04:24:39 pm
Title: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 23, 2023, 04:24:39 pm
Club 500 Model Boat Build - part 1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONntneGFKTQ)
It certainly does O0
Cheers!
Ray.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 23, 2023, 07:38:57 pm
Ditto :-))
I have been tempted to try a Club 500 many times over the years, and if one should happen to present itself …..I still could be %)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 24, 2023, 05:44:14 pm
Changed the music & a couple of bits! -https://youtu.be/DTcpyscLbE8 (https://youtu.be/DTcpyscLbE8)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 24, 2023, 05:55:09 pm
Love the music - and the basic assembly (part 1) {-)
How about a link to the supplier.....................and (part 2) of the build ? :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 24, 2023, 06:25:49 pm
I bought one ready built from a club member to get used to power boats when I first started (doesn't matter if you hit anything! - well apart from someone else's boat!) and to have a go at racing at our club. They go well and are Good fun.
You can only buy the kits from the manufacturer www.club500slipway.com (http://www.club500slipway.com)
I've thought about building one myself.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 24, 2023, 06:46:11 pm
Thanks a bunch Chris >>:-(
I have just enquired about the availability of an all orange coloured kit!
You should now do the decent thing and also order one (not all orange!) so we can share building notes here on the Mayhem .
I will see if I can get any interest in the Southport club when mine is built.........and maybe (if you can squeeze one into your TT) invite you for a trip to the seaside so we can enjoy some racing together....? {-)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 24, 2023, 07:01:28 pm
You're welcome Bob!
My orange TT!
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 24, 2023, 07:07:38 pm
Nah - yours has got a white hull - and you didn't build it ;D
Your new build has got to be a different colour combo (to stop you sneaking in the same old ready-built) {-)
Lot's of colour combos to choose from.............
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on April 24, 2023, 07:35:34 pm
Here’s mine along with my wife and daughter who were ‘volunteered’ to help with the scoring and starting last week.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 24, 2023, 08:30:02 pm
Here’s mine along with my wife and daughter who were ‘volunteered’ to help with the scoring and starting last week.
I bet the orange and white one won! They're the fastest!
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on April 24, 2023, 08:39:04 pm
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Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 24, 2023, 08:40:25 pm
"I like orange, I also had a motorbike in that colour! And now you're saying I can't have an orange Club 500! "
Oh - go on then - I hate to see a grown man cry - and I can always add a black stripe on mine {-)
If I paint the transom black it won't matter much - as its the only part of the boat you will see when we race together :} ;D
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 24, 2023, 08:51:46 pm
I've got a blue and white bike so could always go for that!
No cheating with a brushless motor and a LiPo! {-)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on April 24, 2023, 09:04:24 pm
I sold my warp missile Triumph as I’ve fallen out of love with biking after 45 yrs….
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 24, 2023, 09:15:22 pm
Yes, must admit that thought has been going through my mind lately as Ive not used them much over the last few years, not helped by losing over 2 years due to Covid.
I did swop my Tiger 1050 (orange!) a year ago for a more leisurely Scrambler 1200 though and have a couple of other Triumphs including a 1973 Tiger 750 - I would miss having a bike in the garage though.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: TheLongBuild on April 25, 2023, 12:46:41 am
Best thing I found to cut the parts out was a steel dart :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 25, 2023, 08:02:00 am
My orange Club 500 will be delayed for some time as the orange plastic is currently out of stock !
I would have liked to get started a little sooner to see if I can get any interest in our local club.
With that in mind, I will look around to see if I can find a tidy used example (any colour - but it would be a bonus if it had some orange on it) to get me started sooner.
As soon as the orange plastic arrives (expected delivery currently unknown) I will build the new kit and if I am lucky enough to find one to run in the meantime I can pass it on to another club member when mine is built to help get them started :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on April 25, 2023, 10:08:53 am
Orange is obviously popular! :-)
Interesting that it says in the racing rules that you can only use a simple 2 channel Tx? Can you gain any advantage from a more sophisticated set? By increasing the throttle percentage maybe, though I would have thought maximum was maximum?
I used to run mine using an old 27mhz Acomms Tx from another boat but changed to a trigger and wheel type which is multi-channel so that wouldn't comply.
My boat doesn't anyway as the previous owner changed the coupling for silicone tube, which is worse and the motor gets very hot. Also I replaced the servo and ESC mounting for plywood after the original came loose (was a lash up anyway) after a boat/launching ramp interface. Mine's now heavier! Not a problem when doing our club racing as it was informal and we had a mixture of boats.
I can't run mine flat out either because it starts porpoising, a common problem, must try moving the battery forward a bit.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 25, 2023, 10:57:56 am
That sounds really bad Chris. O0
I can do you a favour and take your Club 500 off of your hands for a fiver if you like so you can focus on making your new blue and white one from a nice shiny new kit :-))
Meanwhile - I can't imagine that the type of radio used makes any difference as the only two functions used operate the steering servo and the speed controller and nothing else.
Some owners will prefer stick sets and others will prefer a steering wheel and most come with various additional channels for mixing etc that will remain unused in your Club 500.
I see the pictures posted here by Bustergrunt show a variety of different transmitters being used in their recent race meeting and they don't all look to be two channel sets either. I am sure that the transmitter choice make's no difference.
As a matter of interest I will probably also be using a RadioLink RC4GS as I already use it for racing 1/12 scale r/c cars and my other fast model boats. Only two channels are used on any of them!
I am not so sure about replacing the radio mount with plywood or not using the specified coupling - but I am sure that someone that knows a lot more about the racing rules than us will come along to clarify that for us shortly................... ;)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 29, 2023, 06:57:37 pm
Club500 rc boat build - Part 2 - First cut is the Deepest
https://youtu.be/vL9EZjdYa8k
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on April 30, 2023, 11:14:22 am
Nice to see your progress with the kit Martin :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 30, 2023, 03:16:28 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 07, 2023, 03:05:23 pm
Come on….what are you waiting for? Drums fingers
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 07, 2023, 03:16:45 pm
My kit is on it’s way now Martin, so your next riveting (should that be glueing) instalment may just be in time to give an alternative to the flour and water mix that I was going to use :D
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 07, 2023, 03:18:34 pm
{-) Got the test glueing done yesterday..... should be ready for stress testing after dinner tonight! :-))
.... now which one was the glue and which one is the mayonnaise ..... ???
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Big Ada on May 07, 2023, 04:35:32 pm
Er, Taste test?.
Did you try Plastic Pipe the Plumbers, Cleaning agent, not the adhesive!! it works just fine and costs a lot less.
Retired Plumber and used it on All Styrene builds,
Len.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Andyn on May 07, 2023, 05:22:21 pm
Are we going to see it at Mayhem at Wicksteed? ;)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 07, 2023, 07:57:47 pm
Did you try Plastic Pipe the Plumbers, Cleaning agent, not the adhesive!! it works just fine and costs a lot less. Retired Plumber and used it on All Styrene builds, Len.
Which type Len?
This stuff? - FloPlast SC250 Solvent Cement - https://www.wickes.co.uk/FloPlast-SC250-Solvent-Cement---250ml/p/175692
As a matter of interest Martin, are you spending the extra time testing various glues because either:
a) your previous Club500 model fell apart ;D …..or b) the Club 500 models have a history of bond failures? .…or c) previously available adhesives have embrittled the plastic used in these kits over a period of time? …..or d) advances in adhesive technology may have come up with something better than recommended in the kit building suggestions. ……or e) none of the above [/font] :embarrassed:
a) No.... well not the last time I saw it in the shed! ( Can't remember what glue I used .... )
b) No, but they can take quite a hard hit in racing.
c) No, not if store away from sunshine ... mostly!
d) Instructions say to use 2 part epoxy or Evo Stick “Nail & Seal” … I can’t find any current Evo-stick product called, 'Nail & Seal', does it have a new name? Or do they just not make it any more? 😕
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 08, 2023, 02:16:25 am
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 08, 2023, 04:31:14 am
Evo stick nail and seal widely available on the internet
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 08, 2023, 10:48:07 am
Thanks for the test with the Gorilla TLB - it will save me having to test it. The brand has become very popular and available from a good variety of suppliers, so it would be tempting to try it. Shame it doesn’t work on the Club500.
PVC pipe adhesive should be a good contender for the job. I glued layers of PVC sheet together and then turned them into a base for the funnel of my TID tug some time ago and it worked really well. Years later (and lots of use on the lake) is is still a solid laminate with no signs of failing.
Your test video was both informative and amusing and I am looking forward to any sequel(s) that your success (and failure) may encourage you to make...... it will certainly prevent me buying and using a glue that does not suit this application :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: TheLongBuild on May 08, 2023, 07:05:08 pm
Thanks for the test with the Gorilla TLB - it will save me having to test it. The brand has become very popular and available from a good variety of suppliers, so it would be tempting to try it. Shame it doesn’t work on the Club500.
The test was by Martin, but is not the GGlue I used, it has held everything together ( Engine mount, Battery box etc ) for over 7 years . So for me has worked fine on a Club 500, admittedly does not look great as I used the expanding type of GGlue ( Brown) but then inside look for this type of boat is not really important.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 08, 2023, 07:43:18 pm
The test was by Martin, but is not the GGlue I used, it has held everything together ( Engine mount, Battery box etc ) for over 7 years . So for me has worked fine on a Club 500, admittedly does not look great as I used the expanding type of GGlue ( Brown) but then inside look for this type of boat is not really important.
This stuff?
Gorilla Original Waterproof Polyurethane Glue, Brown: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gorilla-Original-Waterproof-Polyurethane-Bottle/dp/B094Q7VQ9B
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: TheLongBuild on May 08, 2023, 07:56:18 pm
Yes, that's the stuff.
However before applying I roughed up both surfaces, cut holes into the engine mount to let it oooze through like a rivet and serrated the edges and folded the glue over the edges.
Also need to apply weights to keep the sections down while expanding.
Not pretty but appears to be doing the job..
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 08, 2023, 08:11:54 pm
I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn .... I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.
For further testing, I'm thinking off:
Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal
Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! ) Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear 100% Waterproof & No Run Formula
..... thoughts please?
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 08, 2023, 08:28:14 pm
Here’s mine with the ‘plastic weld’….I Also used clips to keep the cables tidy, well it’s my day job so got to keep standards up
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 08, 2023, 08:36:32 pm
‘Nother photo, the orange strip on the battery box is a velcro ‘retainer’ so I’m not faffing about trying to wrangle the velcro every time
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 08, 2023, 09:18:26 pm
I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn .... I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.
For further testing, I'm thinking off:
Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal
Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! ) Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear 100% Waterproof & No Run Formula
..... thoughts please?
I will be using two part epoxy ( 20 minute cure) to assemble the components into the hull and Suodal FixAll Crystal to bond the deck to the hull as recommended by Malcolm Griffitt.
Sorry this thought has come attached to your quote Martin (and in the same blue colour) please modify for me please if you can.
Many thanks - Bob.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on May 08, 2023, 09:19:09 pm
Hi Bustergrunt - Where do you get your cable clips from? Thanks, Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 08, 2023, 09:22:36 pm
They’re not specific cable clips, they’re for use with the removable adhesive backing tabs, but they work with the plastic weld which was the important bit
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on May 08, 2023, 10:03:02 pm
Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 09, 2023, 08:36:59 am
Good call Zooma!
From the manufactures....
..... I use and recommend a good two part epoxy for fitting all the hull parts except the battery tray which is done with Velcro.
Fixing the deck to the hull used to be done with Evo-Stick Nail & Seal which has now been updated to Evo-Stick Strong Stuff, available in white or clear, however another excellent one is Soudal FixAll Crystal which I first used on the Ghost model and works very well.
Regards, Club 500 Slipway
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 09, 2023, 09:12:11 am
I was very disappointed with the Gorilla Heavy Duty Grab adhesive but you live and learn .... I've emailed Club500 and see what they say.
For further testing, I'm thinking off:
Screwfix: No Nonsense Solvented Grab Adhesive Screwfix: Soudal Fix All Sealant & Adhesive Crystal
Amazon: E6000 PLUS Industrial Strength Clear Glue ( or Shoe Goo! ) Amazon: Everbuild Stixall Extreme Power Building Adhesive, Suitable for Automative Gap Filling and Sealing - White Amazon: UniBond 1381190 Repair Power Epoxy Plastic Amazon: Gorilla 5 minute Epoxy Crystal Clear 100% Waterproof & No Run Formula
..... thoughts please?
I use a lot of Shoo Goo reinforced with self adhesive plasterboard tape to strengthen and repair my 1/12 scale Lexan body shells as it stays flexible and does not embrittle the plastic.
1/12 LMP and GT12 racing cars are very fast and body damage is the “norm”. Those with better funding just buy (and paint) lots of new body shells, but this is very expensive and wasteful. Shoo Goo helps to preserve a little more of my pension for other hobbies (such as model boats) O0
Shoo Goo is very expensive and comes from the USA (via Amazon) and I have been looking for a less expensive alternative......but not found one yet <:(
Your testing with this on the Club 500 plastic would be interesting as it is massively strong when used with the self adhesive glass fibre plasterboard tape and would be perfect for reinforcing and repairing the thin (less than1.5mm) hulls ....as long as it does not attack and distort the polystyrene that is used to vac form the kit parts from.
I have never tested it as a construction adhesive, but it is incredibly strong and if it works it could tick all the boxes :-))
Apparently it can also be used to repair and waterproof shoes .............
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 09, 2023, 11:44:05 am
What about B7000 Glue Adhesive ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-wkBT1zuu0&t=29s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-wkBT1zuu0&t=29s)
Glues for plastics are very difficult. I am not sure exactly what plastic the Club 500 is made from. Has anybody asked the manufacturer? As you know this does matter.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 09, 2023, 03:25:54 pm
Comment from Utube video ....
The problem is that construction adhesive, which is what you have there, relies solely on a mechanical bond, and strongly prefers fairly rigid materials to join. The actual adhesive isn't particularly strong, and it relies on a large contact area to maintain strength. If you can bend up one corner, you can overcome the adhesive one tiny spot at a time. I suggest looking for adhesives that contain solvents for the plastic in question, so that you can obtain a chemical bond, or adhesives that are known for their remarkable mechanical bonds. Here in the States, we have a glue called "plastic surgery" - it's one of 2 products by a company called "Surehold" that combine CA glue and an aggressive solvent. It will bond most plastics. I would think there are equivalent glues in the UK. I would also suggest sanding she surfaces with fairly course sandpaper and trying epoxy. That works on blow-molded DF65 hulls when they crack. Best wishes with this!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 09, 2023, 03:39:36 pm
The problem is that there isn’t a gapless joint all the way round the contact area, so a degree of gap filling property is required. I agree re sanding the ‘contact’ areas to provide a key and tack joining in place with ‘plastic weld’ where firm plastic to plastic contact is made, but then filling the rest of the joint with a flexible adhesive.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 09, 2023, 03:52:38 pm
I'll be having another go tonight ..... :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Big Ada on May 09, 2023, 04:26:46 pm
Glues for plastics are very difficult. I am not sure exactly what plastic the Club 500 is made from. Has anybody asked the manufacturer? As you know this does matter.
Apparently it is Polystyrene - NOT ABS !
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 09, 2023, 06:57:28 pm
If Polystyrene then traditional plastic kit glue would do the job. This included a solvent so it welds rather than glues.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 09, 2023, 07:03:25 pm
It is actually HIPS.
High Impact Polystyrene.
Hope this helps :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on May 09, 2023, 08:56:47 pm
3M Scotch-Weld Low Odour Acylic Adhesive DP810 sounds ideal as not only does it glue HIPS as the name says it is low odour and no fumes. Also you have 10 minutes working time with 20 minutes setting and curing in 24 hours. Downside is that it is quite expensive at around £15.00 but then most quality adhesives generally are.
Another option is to use a suitable adhesive tape 3M will do one.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 09, 2023, 11:07:30 pm
All held together with good old fashioned polystyrene cement. The best glue for Club 500 builds as it dissolves the surface of the plastic creating a completely fused and welded joint.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 10, 2023, 10:36:54 am
All held together with good old fashioned polystyrene cement. The best glue for Club 500 builds as it dissolves the surface of the plastic creating a completely fused and welded joint.
I like orange O0
What did you use to stick the deck on with?
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 10, 2023, 11:13:20 am
No, that will only hold as a result of excluding air between the adhesive and the plastic but the adhesive will peel away from the plastic. The clue is in the "Solvent free" bit. You need to dissolve the surface of the plastic to create a proper plastic to plastic welded bond.
You need a glue that is designed to dissolve polystyrene. Many of them, such as Plastic Magic, Tamiya Liquid etc, are limited as they are of a very low viscosity so will only be good for bonding surfaces that are flat together. Revel Contacta is medium viscosity so better and has good control from a fine metal tube. If you want something that will fill a gap as well, i.e. deck to hull, then you need a thicker polystyrene dissolving glue, such as good old polystyrene cement.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 10, 2023, 11:17:38 am
I thought you may have used something in addition to fill the gaps after bonding with the plastic glue.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 10, 2023, 01:12:39 pm
The only glue I used was polystyrene cement on the deck to hull joint. First I taped the parts together with vertical strips of tape with the boat upside down, then I spotted the joint between the pieces of tape with polystyrene cement. Left it overnight to totally harden, removed the tape then ran around the joint with a bead of polystyrene cement. Do not overdo the glue as it can cause ripples in the plastic surface as it dissolves right through. A couple of lighter runs is better than one very heavy one. If you don't get a seal then follow up with a fillet of silicone rather than apply too much polystyrene glue and deform the plastic.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 10, 2023, 02:03:24 pm
No, that will only hold as a result of excluding air between the adhesive and the plastic but the adhesive will peel away from the plastic. The clue is in the "Solvent free" bit. You need to dissolve the surface of the plastic to create a proper plastic to plastic welded bond.
You need a glue that is designed to dissolve polystyrene. Many of them, such as Plastic Magic, Tamiya Liquid etc, are limited as they are of a very low viscosity so will only be good for bonding surfaces that are flat together. Revel Contacta is medium viscosity so better and has good control from a fine metal tube. If you want something that will fill a gap as well, i.e. deck to hull, then you need a thicker polystyrene dissolving glue, such as good old polystyrene cement.
Cheers BB ! :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Big Ada on May 10, 2023, 03:58:37 pm
Could that be used as a re-enforcement for the bow?
YES<
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 10, 2023, 04:54:00 pm
My new Club 500 kit has just arrived (via FedEx) so I am looking forward to opening the box and seeing what progress I can make before we go away again with the (small) amount of time left in-between the various jobs around the house and garden that I have to get done first!
Hopefully I can get everything cut out and make a decision about the various adhesive's suggested on this thread and keep half an eye on Martins glue testing to see how he gets on with testing the Liquid Poly and the traditional "plastic kit bashers" tube of polystyrene cement.
From my own kit bashing experience over the last 70 years or so (I started making Airfix kits when I was 4 years old) I have found that the various liquid poly type's vary vastly from being almost ineffective to being really fierce.
MEK (supplied in a glass bottle for use with a thin brush) was always the best (of the "easy to get") types but maybe there are better types available these days? I welded the plastic card superstructure of my TID tug together with this stuff and it really melted the joints together very well, but it is super - thin and has no substantial viscosity, so it does need really good fitting surfaces to work well.
My own experience with Tamiya "Green Top" super-thin liquid poly has also been very good - but maybe these two liquid poly types do not work too well on HIPS - especially if precision fitting joints can not be achieved and a more viscous (thicker) type would be better (such as the BB recommended Revell type)?
I never noticed much difference between the various branded tubes of plastic cement, but it would still be good to know exactly what brands of plastic tube cement have been used with success on Club 500 kit plastic - as results may vary with the slightly different composition of manufacturers products.
The Revell liquid poly (blue plastic "non-tip" bottle with the thin metal tube applicator) has already been used and worked well, so that one is already "in the bag" :-))
I would also guess that the prop shaft will need to be epoxied into the hull as no type of plastic adhesive would be the best choice for this particular job?
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on May 10, 2023, 06:34:14 pm
This is what I’ve been using for the internal glueing…
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 11, 2023, 04:51:26 am
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on May 11, 2023, 10:27:31 am
' There's only one way to deal with a mole' O0 {-)
Clue is in 'Solvent', BB is quite right , Ketone (MEK) (NOT MEKP) is the solvent for Polystyrene. In its raw state you can paint it on with a brush BUT, its viscosity can be modified. Chop some bits of scrap polystyrene up and dissolve in Ketone 'till the thickness suits, it can be thinned down by adding more liquid. The guys in the 3D model shop of one firm I worked for made their own 'Glues' for the different types of plastics using the different solvents for whichever type of plastic needing to be joined - in ALL cases a welded joint. MEK, Acetone, Trichlorethylene (Snopake thinners) all used with dissolved base materials. Chopping up the bits makes them dissolve quicker. 'Nother thing to remember, wash the moulding to get rid of surface greases and scuff the two surfaces to be joined.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 11, 2023, 03:14:02 pm
Spoiler Alert!
Screwfix, No Nonsense 'Solvent' Grab adhesive was a bust too! .... pity, it was cheap and has a strong Solvent smell! :(( It's grey and has the consistence of toothpaste.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 14, 2023, 05:52:16 pm
You need to get a trade account with your glue supplier! {-)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 14, 2023, 10:14:27 pm
You think that's embarrassing ! {-) {-) {-) %%
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 14, 2023, 11:09:06 pm
Martin
When you have found an adhesive that you like you can start to think about what water immersion will do to the bond over time.
If you want to be really sure I would dissolve some of the styrene into a styrene solvent of you choice to make a thick solution (splodge) and attach the parts using that. To fill any gaps you just introduce slivers of the styrene into the gap with more splodge.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 15, 2023, 08:15:57 am
Yes good point TC.
The experimenting is very interesting as I was hoping to find a suitable 'mastic' type adhesive as it covers all basses but I'm probably going to go with 2 part epoxy in the end.
I'm very wary of using a total solvent as any melting or distortions of the hull will be hard to disguise on such a simple boat as the Club500....
Which styrene solvent do you recommend?
M
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on May 15, 2023, 08:57:30 am
Replies #s 81 & 87 spring to mind.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on May 15, 2023, 12:35:38 pm
Hi Martin - I think the Soudal would be good for fixing the deck to the hull and the flexibility would be of benefit.
I'd be interested to see how the 3M adhesive that I mentioned performs. Did some reading on 3M adhesives and it sounds as though it would do the job once fully cured.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 15, 2023, 01:11:53 pm
I had high hopes for the Soudal Fix All, but under test, it easily pulled apart and could easily be peeled of the plastic.
See video: https://youtu.be/VfRNuWb2qQc?t=288 (https://youtu.be/VfRNuWb2qQc?t=288)b
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 15, 2023, 02:07:32 pm
Martin
The total solvent that I use is plain old MEK which I was given by a friend but is available cheaply on ebay.
I have never had distortion when using fillets of dissolved styrene in MEK but I would suggest that thin layers are less likely to cause it than thick layers and if there is a gap then building up with scrap styrene in stages reduces it further. How big a gap are you trying to fill?
I guess epoxy will work but I don't really like hard glues on flexible material that will be subject to bending stresses and even more so if I had used it to fill large gaps.
There are so many club 500 models out there that I am surprised by the lack of a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 15, 2023, 02:43:02 pm
I had high hopes for the Soudal Fix All, but under test, it easily pulled apart and could easily be peeled of the plastic.
See video: https://youtu.be/VfRNuWb2qQc?t=288 (https://youtu.be/VfRNuWb2qQc?t=288)b
Yeah, watched the video before I posted, with the large surface area it doesn't have to grip that well. Maybe bathroom sealant would do in that case.
Have a read up on 3M adhesives, they are stating good peel resistance and shear strength. They do an epoxy as well as the acrylic I mentioned.
It's only the motor and servo mounts that need to be securely fixed though Ive even got my servo/ESC mount secured with Velcro, though it is plywood, and has survived a few battles! Oh, and the rudder mounting, which is the important one!
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 15, 2023, 08:18:59 pm
No, that will only hold as a result of excluding air between the adhesive and the plastic but the adhesive will peel away from the plastic. The clue is in the "Solvent free" bit. You need to dissolve the surface of the plastic to create a proper plastic to plastic welded bond.
Hi Bunkerbarge,
Re: EVO-STIK: Gripfill Laybond Solvent Free Gap Filling Adhesive
I was just cleaning up after another day of failed glue tests, this stuff didn't seem to set after 12-18 hours cure time, when peeled apart ( it didn't put up much of a fight ) and still seemed quite viscous but after 48 hours, it's now set ( open jointed ) and bonded to the plastic very well, .... did I just not give it long enough?
Martin
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 15, 2023, 09:18:55 pm
It smells like a glue factory in here this evening! %%
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 21, 2023, 05:57:41 am
Martin
As previously mentioned you can make the non gap filling adhesives become gap filling by dissolving bits of the plastic in it overnight in a sealed jar to make a paste. Ideally I paint the edges with neat adhesive then immediately apply the paste. If necessary repeat.
The Revell Contacts at 99p is much cheaper than I have been aware of it.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 21, 2023, 07:21:09 pm
Well, nearly got it finished for Wicksteed ... but, in the end, the fates conspired against me ....
But this happened:
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Is that your version of running in the brushes?!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on May 27, 2023, 10:21:10 am
ChrisF, in a car it used to be called 'running in', surprising how much carbon can be 'Discarded' from the brushes converting them from flat ended to concave to fit the 'Comm'.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Stuw on May 27, 2023, 10:43:09 am
Is this for real? I thought water and electricity shouldn’t mix! :o
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 27, 2023, 11:08:36 am
Is this for real? I thought water and electricity shouldn’t mix! :o
At low voltages you can get away with it. Water actually isn't a very good conductor but the impurities in it can be. This is why saltwater is a much better conductor than fresh water.
For high current use, like a Club 500, we used to run the brushed motor in under water and with 2.4v for around 20 minutes. Not sure how much good it did but it was a routine that we all followed and it certainly made nice black water.
It looks like Martin has used washing up liquid, or something similar. We didn't do that!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on May 27, 2023, 11:50:45 am
ChrisF, in a car it used to be called 'running in', surprising how much carbon can be 'Discarded' from the brushes converting them from flat ended to concave to fit the 'Comm'.
Regards Ian.
You learn something new every day!
Stu - with some models they actually have the motors with a prop attached running in the water.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on May 27, 2023, 01:45:05 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on May 27, 2023, 04:29:18 pm
Not uncommon to have brushless hanging out the bottom of the boat for fresh water use. Corrosion of the bearings is the only thing to deal with (blow out & dry + oil after use). Brushed motor immersed in water is less common other than small coreless motors in micro models.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on May 28, 2023, 10:59:23 am
Just got back from Kirklees club 500 event, seems EVERYBODY has used a solvent cement to glue the lids on %)
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 11, 2023, 09:34:34 pm
Hey Andy, you thought I was obsessed with types of glue, looking for something else, I've found....
1. This new lead free solder is rubbish 2. Copper mains wire has changed!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Andyn on June 20, 2023, 10:39:21 pm
Ready for Wings & Wheels? ;)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on June 21, 2023, 10:08:14 am
60/40 is still available Martin.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 21, 2023, 01:16:00 pm
Yes, found it on Amazon in the end, as per photo below! :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on July 04, 2023, 09:18:44 am
I called by the Southport Club lake on the way back to the van from the Lydiate Classic Car Show........as I just happened to have Rapier1 in the boot of my car! O0
As I was "running-out" my LiPo battery I was aware of another car pulling up in the otherwise deserted club car park and was surprised to see two Club 500 boats being unloaded..........and they were both ORANGE! One with a white hull and one with a grey hull.
The owner of these two Club 500 boats was Rob who had travelled from Leeds to give these two boats a run with his son, and he introduced himself after he had recognised Rapier1 from the Mayhem restoration blog :-))
It was really nice to see a pair of Club 500 boats being run together on the club lake (the first time I had seen this) and I was quite impressed by their speed as well, and I recognised their "nose bobbing" action when they were being run flat out as I had seen this on all the other Club 500 boats I had seen on various online videos.
We had a nice chat about the boats and commented on the plastic "age cracking" on the boats as they got older. I was unaware of this problem, but as inexpensive boats it was not seen as a big problem, but I did wonder of this could be influenced by the choice of adhesive?
As a matter of interest, one of the two boats was 7 years old and had the internal components fixed with epoxy and both boats had the deck fixed to the hull with sealer adhesive of different types. The cracking that I noticed (only a brief glance) was not where the plastic had been glued, and so it would appear to be caused by ageing (or stress?) of the plastic and had not been influenced by the adhesive choice.
Would any other Club 500 owners like to comment on any of their boats that have cracks in them that may have just appeared from ageing and not collision or impact damage ?
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on July 05, 2023, 11:35:29 am
Plastics age. Some of the garbage stated about accelerated testing is just that. Remember VIP? (Victory Industries Products). How many of their boat and car moldings distorted badly over time. It's surprising how few 'Good' versions of the ubiquitous Crash Tenders have survived bart twists. The digital buzzword is "Stress Corrosion", a term used to explain unplanned material failure. :-))
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on July 09, 2023, 08:11:04 pm
Plastics age. Some of the garbage stated about accelerated testing is just that. Remember VIP? (Victory Industries Products). How many of their boat and car moldings distorted badly over time. It's surprising how few 'Good' versions of the ubiquitous Crash Tenders have survived bart twists. The digital buzzword is "Stress Corrosion", a term used to explain unplanned material failure. :-))
Regards Ian.
"Stress Corrosion" - that is a new one on me - but it sounds a bit snazzier than "age related plastic embrittlement" which is what I remember it being called previously.
No doubt some types of adhesive could cause this age related embrittlement to accelerate (as could some paints) but from what I could see the cracks on the two hulls that I was shown were not in areas that have been glued (or painted) so the integrity of the plastic had purely failed with age and/or use.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on July 10, 2023, 10:09:20 am
Yep Zooma, and when the term was bandied about, I got a strong whiff of Bovine Excreta. Problem is, virtually all plastic materials will have an age related stress related relaxation. In injection molding the material swirls into the mold and is then artificially cooled to ease ejection which then, depending on the manufacturers 'Cost' cycle determines how soon distortion occurs. Compare early Airfix to Tamiya Kits? With Vac-forming the materials get a double bang, first in the manufacture of the base material and secondly in the forming process heating ,sucking and then cooling on the former. Don't forget, wooden model are also subject to distortion.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on July 10, 2023, 05:07:05 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 29, 2023, 07:14:59 pm
Sharp steel dart, that's what I used.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Andyn on July 29, 2023, 09:22:30 pm
Scalpel and patience ;)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on July 29, 2023, 09:46:11 pm
For round corners you can start off with a drill and then enlarge using one of those conical drills, do carefully by hand. For the straight runs, as others have said a good sharp knife, probably something hefty like a Stanley.
For the corners you could practice in the middle of the piece to be discarded.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 29, 2023, 10:59:54 pm
For round corners you can start off with a drill and then enlarge using one of those conical drills, do carefully by hand. For the straight runs, as others have said a good sharp knife, probably something hefty like a Stanley.
For the corners you could practice in the middle of the piece to be discarded.
Excellent! :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: TheLongBuild on July 30, 2023, 12:35:17 am
Use the drill to create the hole and then a steel dart to slowly score out the rest, you will get a much better line in my opinion.. That is how I cut out all the bits on mine.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bunkerbarge on July 30, 2023, 09:41:13 am
It was just a Stanley knife and steel rule for me. Make sure you add support strips to the lower face of the deck to support the hatch and to strengthen the corners. I used Polystyrene cement and scrap bits of trimmings. The handle is a plastic screw from a vehicle number plate fitting kit. After the switch got wet a couple of times it went back inside and the hole was blanked off. Before a race the hatch is sealed off with electrical insulation tape around all four sides.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 01, 2023, 05:52:13 am
That actually went better than expected !
https://youtu.be/XZ0lQtWOEWM
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 05, 2023, 08:58:56 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on August 06, 2023, 07:22:53 pm
I dont think so if racing using Club 500 rules that call for one 7.4v NiMH battery pack.
These boats do tend to porpoise and moving the battery tray forward can help. Don't know about two batteries in the bow though!
If you want to spend a bit of money get yourself some heat shrink and a small electric heat gun. I've got a Proxxon and it makes the job easy and neat.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 06, 2023, 08:52:00 pm
I dont think so if racing using Club 500 rules that call for one 7.4v NiMH battery pack. These boats do tend to porpoise and moving the battery tray forward can help. Don't know about two batteries in the bow though! If you want to spend a bit of money get yourself some heat shrink and a small electric heat gun. I've got a Proxxon and it makes the job easy and neat. Chris
1. Just joking Chris! ok2
2. I forgot the heatshrink, three times .... in a row! Hot glue will do for now. {:-{
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 06, 2023, 08:54:13 pm
Anyway ..... I think I'm ready for the deck join.... See anything I've forgotten?
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMkthzzm/50001.jpg)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on August 07, 2023, 10:04:16 am
I assume the servo is just to catch me out again! :embarrassed:
Glad that cutting out the cover went well.
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on August 07, 2023, 02:56:47 pm
Three thirteen amp plugged appliances for empty sockets? :D
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Big Ada on August 07, 2023, 04:47:12 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Andyn on August 08, 2023, 10:22:10 pm
Double servo linkages are nothing but a recipe for disaster. We don’t use them on 50+mph race boats with 30kg+ torque servos, so a club 500 definitely doesn’t need them
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on August 08, 2023, 10:49:49 pm
I'm trying to get my head round it but don't non-parallel linkages cause binding?
I'm using double linkages on my big heavy Swordsman, but parallel. Not essential if you use fairly short and strong rod but I think makes for a balanced system and shares out the forces, particularly on the servo. Doubt I shall wear it out though!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 09, 2023, 12:01:16 am
Double servo linkages are nothing but a recipe for disaster. We don’t use them on 50+mph race boats with 30kg+ torque servos, so a club 500 definitely doesn’t need them
I agree .... but I'm a poor builder and terrible at geometry!
With non-parallel links, something is bending.... but I don't know what! - https://youtu.be/qcl8A0RbL8Q (https://youtu.be/qcl8A0RbL8Q)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on August 09, 2023, 01:36:20 pm
With that rod Martin you definitely only need the one!
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 20, 2023, 02:55:04 pm
Final Stretch! - https://youtu.be/_6Wlv5Smo9A
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ChrisF on August 20, 2023, 07:34:15 pm
Martin
I hope those "slinkies" between the servo and rudder are only temporary!
Chris
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 21, 2023, 08:34:54 am
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Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 26, 2023, 01:27:07 pm
Finally plucked up enough courage to glue the deck down today!
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on September 17, 2023, 10:19:18 am
My Club 500 kit remains firmly in its box!
I will build it in the winter when I am at home more and have finished my scratch Sea Commander build project, but I am enjoying your build, and I would hope to finish mine a bit faster O0
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 04, 2023, 03:23:50 pm
Ok, so a couple of weeks ...! since an update .... where did I leave off?
... oh yes, wet washing the motor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfNjF5_PFsQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfNjF5_PFsQ)
Let me edit up some progress from then.....
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: J.beazley on November 04, 2023, 03:39:49 pm
Out of interest did you test the current draw on the motor before and after washing?
Jay
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 04, 2023, 05:05:24 pm
Danm it, NO.... should have shouldn't I >:-o
.... it did sound a LOT smoother and Quieter after wards... can that be measured?! %)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Circlip on November 05, 2023, 10:38:01 am
Even if you don't do a 'double' linkage (although easier on the servo bearings) rod should be parallel to servo and rudder post centre lines. Correction for reduced rudder throw can be done electronically.
Regards Ian.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Fastfaz on November 05, 2023, 11:47:38 am
Hi Martin, I've just watched the motor washing video (thought it was a wind up) it's unbelievable how much muck came out of the motor. Does doing this damage the motor long term though? Re adhesive have you tried Stixall Stan from Kirklees put me on to it and I have to say I've found it brilliant and you can paint over it unlike Silicone. Good luck with the rest of the build. Cheers, Pete. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Tug Fanatic on November 05, 2023, 12:45:05 pm
Hi Martin, I've just watched the motor washing video (thought it was a wind up) it's unbelievable how much muck came out of the motor. ....................
It isn't really "muck". When the motor is assembled the (often square) brushes are not a good fit on the (always round) commutator. The "washing" process wears the bushes so that they are a good fit. The "muck" is thus mainly the carbon that has been taken from the brushes. The theory is that after this the motor will run better with better contact and less arcing between the brushes & the commutator. This might actually improve the life of the motor but then again it might not.
Back in the day when we did this we used a very low battery voltage and thus low revs.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 05, 2023, 02:59:23 pm
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Re adhesive have you tried Stixall Stan from Kirklees put me on to it and I have to say I've found it brilliant
The problem is that there isn’t a gapless joint all the way round the contact area, so a degree of gap filling property is required. I agree re sanding the ‘contact’ areas to provide a key and tack joining in place with ‘plastic weld’ where firm plastic to plastic contact is made, but then filling the rest of the joint with a flexible adhesive.
is 'Plastic Weld" a brand name? ( I was looking for a "glue" - but is it a solvent liquid?).
Cant find anything of that name on eBay............
If it works for you (and can look as neat and tidy as yours) then I would like to try it on my Club 500 build.
I can buy Sticks Like S**t form my local Screwfix.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on December 01, 2023, 11:52:41 am
Plastic weld is great for things like the motor mount or rudder post, but just in case you may at some point need to remove the upper deck, then I use a silicon type adhesive which can be cut or gently prised apart. With the plastic weld it’s a permanent joint and can’t be ‘unwelded’ once applied… If you need to put a patch on the inside of the hull i.e. after hitting a buoy (guess how I know) then you’ll appreciate being able to separate the hull and deck
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 01, 2023, 03:24:16 pm
Realistically:
Maxi Fit ( Reply #159 ) but it doesn't seem to be available any more, well not under that name. Deluxe Materials Plastic Kit Glue, seems an excellent substitute, albeit a lot thinner. Also used Soudal FixALL crystal, for a large gap at the transom. ( Most of the mastics I tested only gave a mechanical bond, not a full chemical join, Soudal was the best of the bunch - Reply #190)
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2023, 11:24:13 pm
Thanks for the glue advice .
I would still like to find somewhere that I can buy some “plastic weld” from (if I can).
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 02, 2023, 12:38:24 am
I would still like to find somewhere that I can buy some “plastic weld” from (if I can).
Me too, great stuff! :-))
Maybe good old Polystyrene cement is close too: https://uk.humbrol.com/products/poly-cement-medium-tube-ae4021 https://www.revell.de/en/products/modelmaking/colors-accessories/glue/contacta.html
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on December 03, 2023, 01:22:28 pm
I use this stuff
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Ralph on December 03, 2023, 02:59:21 pm
I've got the EMA plastic weld from Scoonie Hobbies in Kirkcaldy in the past. Not been in for a while so I'm not sure if they still stock it, and their website is totally out of date but worth giving them a call perhaps? 01592 651792.
Ralph
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: tonyH on December 03, 2023, 03:02:55 pm
C'mon Bob, even A****n sell it. Jus' punch in "plastic weld" O0
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 03, 2023, 03:28:53 pm
I don't use plastic weld ( dichloromethane ) much, I find it too tricky to use. It evaporates very quickly, strong odour, zero gap filling. I know you can dissolve scrap plastic in the bottle to thicken it up ... personally I want that all done for me, hence the plastic Maxi Fit or Plastic Kit Glue.
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: Bustergrunt on December 03, 2023, 04:23:29 pm
I wouldn’t try and attach the whole upper deck using it, but to ‘spot weld’ the bow in place and at the stern, to hold it whilst a gap filling adhesive does the main task…also when plastic is dissolved in it and it is then used as a ‘potting’ agent i.e. around the prop shaft…it can cause the surrounding plastic to sag….again…ask me how I know {:-{
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: zooma on January 11, 2024, 12:57:28 pm
Title: Re: Club 500 Build, 2023
Post by: ray123 on February 29, 2024, 09:43:11 am
at the time in southend club there were a lot of club 500 builds ' Rodger cumbers from the club was man for help and building advice on the club 500 at the time ''
each were glued with different glues from silicone 'not good!
gripfill 'kind of no nails building adhesive' NO GOOD it melted the hull
the best glue i found and Rodger recommended it was deluxe 'super crylic' it was bullet proof survived a lot of bash & crashes due to the glue having some flex https://deluxematerials.co.uk/collections/all-products/products/super-crylic