Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: Ferryfan on October 20, 2023, 02:17:03 pm
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Does anyone have a copy of this MB issue, and specifically the plan that was included? If so, would you be willing to provide a copy of the plan? Any costs incurred would, of course, be reimbursed.
My 11 year old grandson is very enthusiastic about modelling a Japanese warship. He wanted to start with a model of the Yamato but I've managed to talk him down to a destroyer as a more suitable vessel for his second model. The Glynn Guest "Kirisame" is an ideal choice and, although the magazine is available on the internet, no-one is selling the plan, that I can find.
Thanks.
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I have the magazine and plan, but not sure how I can copy the plan to send it to you. Would a photo of the plan be sufficient?
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Hi Dave,
My apologies for not replying to you earlier. "Things' got in the way of checking this request.
If you have a local print shop who can scan the plan into a digital file (preferably pdf), that would be my preference. You can then email it to me and I can then take that it to my local print shop and print it off. The alternative would be to scan it to a print and post it.
A photo is not really suitable because I would like to have a full size copy of the plan for my grandson to work to.
I can make payment of your costs either by mailing you a cheque, or by a direct electronic transfer to your bank account. (I am in Canada).
Thanks,
Roy
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The only print shop in town has closed, I will ask around and see if there is anything nearby.
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Thanks, Dave, that would be appreciated.
If you would consider it, you could send the original plan to me, I will get it scanned here, and then return it to you? I fully understand if you prefer not to let it out of your control.
Roy
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I'll dig it out and check the condition it's in. All of my magazines are stored indoors in plastic boxes to keep them safe. Most are catalogued on the computer, but I am still trying to catch up with that!
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OK, thanks Dave,
Roy
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hi there
Have you tried this Company for plans - they are based in Canada - I myself have had several plans from them. They are also very helpful and well worth a try.
Vintage Model Plans (https://www.vintagemodelplans.com/?syclid=cl314autuops73cl3s10&utm_campaign=emailmarketing_147280822524&utm_medium=email&utm_source=shopify_email)
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Thanks, John.
I had not come across this supplier before so it's very useful to know about them.
Unfortunately I could not find the Kirisame, or any other Japanese destroyers, in their collection of boat plans.
Roy
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What an excellent range of plans! Thanks for sharing the link. I might have a copy of the plans somewhere as I was ordering the magazine via my newsagents at the time.
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Be aware that these are basically rip offs of the original Model Boats plans, some of which are still officially available from Sarik Hobbies.
But some of them are no longer listed by Sarik.
I bought a copy of the ps Bilsdale plan for my build of the model published recently in Model Boats magazine as it was no longer published by Sarik.
The plan arrived OK but I did find that it had suffered distortion in the copying process so some of the dimensions were innacurate. Fortunately I still had the original plan published in the magazine to enable me to make corrections. So buyer beware!
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Useful to know Colin, thanks!!!
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I'll try to dig the plan out this evening, I'm out all day 'working' as a volunteer at Pendon Museum.
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Sent PMs Dave on 20th Oct and Yesterday did you receive either? For some reason, not showing in my sent items box.
Regards Ian.
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Hi there Roy,
Try dropping vintage plan Company an email - and they may be able to help you that way. I must admit the plans that I have had from these have been pretty good up to now.
John
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Sent PMs Dave on 20th Oct and Yesterday did you receive either? For some reason, not showing in my sent items box.
Regards Ian.
No, nothing received. Last PM I got was in February!
Cheers, Dave
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Just tried again, Hasn't worked, seem to have lost a posting on another thread from yesterday.
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Hi John,
I checked with Vintage plans and they confirmed they do not have the Kirisame plan.
Roy
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Just tried again, Hasn't worked, seem to have lost a posting on another thread from yesterday.
I finally received your message a couple of days and did reply.
I was unable to get around to digging the magazine & plan out as a good friend of mine passed away on Monday. I'll do my best to find the plan today.
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I have the magazine with the plan still stapled into it. It is a typical Glynn Guest design, elegantly simplified for the less experienced builder. I think it would be ideal for an eleven year old.
Just need to work out how to get the plan to you. I have had a suggestion that I send it to another MM member in the UK who will scan it, return the plan to me and the scan to you, hopefully that will work out.
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Excellent, Dave.
THat will certainly work for me. Let me know the costs involved, please.
Thanks,
Roy
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Roy,
Do you need the magazine as well as the plan or just the plan? I have them in front of me right now and another member has offered to scan them, but I don't want to send the magazine unless you need it.
Cheers, Dave
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Dave,
The plan only please.
I have obtained a copy of the magazine article from pocketmags.com.
Thanks,
Roy
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OK, I will get the plan in the post to the fellow mayhemer who has offered to scan it for you.
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Hi Roy,
You have a personal message, please reply so that I can send you the plan for IJN Kirsame.
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I want to record my thanks to Dave_S and Circlip for their time and effort spent in obtaining and providing a copy of the IJN Kirisame plan for me, and for my grandson. A fine example of the great support that members of this hobby provide.
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You're more than welcome, we're all members of the modelling family (or all infected by the same madness!)
Happy New Year to you.
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Dave_S,You were kind enough to provide a copy of this plan at no cost and requested some follow-up of the build. Progress has been very intermittent, in other words, slow. Grandsons can be easily distracted these days by things like 3D printers.Anyway, he made good progress this past weekend on the hull, as you can see. To be fair he has spent some time producing a 3D print of a gun turret and a part of the bridge.ROy
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Hi,
I'm so sorry to interrupt you on this topic.
But I have gotten confused which ship you are building since I feel something contradictory from the names you have used. {:-{
IJN Kirishima (as in the title)----was a battleship of our old navy(IJN)
IJN Kirisame---------------------did not exist in the old(IJN)navy
JS Kirisame----------------------now in service in JMSDF as DD-104 a kind of destroyer
IJN Kirsame--------------------I haven't heard about such name so far of both IJN and JMSDF
Pic attached; IJN Kirishima ---the first BB built in Japan
Judging from the model shape in your pic, you may be building JS Kirisame,??? not IJN Kirishima....battle ship {:-{
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This model is based on the Special Type Destroyers built by the Japanese Navy before WW2. It is being built to the plan and construction article by Glynn Guest which was published in the Model Boats magazine in February 2015.
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I'm afraid to say, but I could not find IJN Kirisame except JS KirisameDD-104 now in service.
Anyway, IJN Kirishima in your title seems strange for me.... IJN Kirishima is a BB and not a destroyer that you are building...
I'll research more about "IJN Kirisame".
According to my provisional check, Kirisame is the very first given to DD-104 now in service through all Japanese naval vessels. {:-{ (from wikipedia)
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I think you are looking too deeply into the build and name, The Build as already mentioned is based off the plan by Glynn Guest, names given to models by Glynn and other plan contributors are not necessarily actually based on an actual ship but an interpretation as stated these are loosely based on vessels of that time. The post Title could be confusing as the plan name is Kirisame and not Kirishima.
Possibly based on the Fubuki Class
Fubuki-class destroyer - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubuki-class_destroyer)
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It's quite OK if scientific fiction.! :-)) :-)) :-))
Have a nice time to build the awesome IJN Kirisame.!
The name is contradictory each other, though..
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Although have noticed, the Plan says " Kirsame ", and the article is headed " Kirisame" .
Assume this was a printing error , but could not say which is correct, Maybe GG might be able to shed some light on this ?.
The Build looks good and will be nice to see it on the water, with which ever of the 3 names is chosen %%
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Yes, indeed.!!!!
Wishing a great success on the water.!! :-)) :-)) :-))
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Oh dear.....
Much confusion which could have been sorted if the original construction article had been read first and the original poster had not changed the name and clashed with a real vessel.
This model was based on the Japanese "Super Destroyers" built prior to WW2 and not on a specific vessel. I did however want to give it a name and, using an English-Japanese on-line translator, came up with Kirisame. This followed the Japanese practice of naming destroyers after metrological and weather effects. Kirisame had not been used by the Japanese Navy, was a weather effect and seemed very appropriate for a model to be sailed in British weather! This was explained in the construction article.
Yes, the name is misspelled on the plan sheet.
Glynn Guest
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FYI,
The Yukikaze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_destroyer_Yukikaze_(1939)), a particularly notable Japanese destroyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer) of World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
Japanese destroyers of World War II included some of the most formidable destroyers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer) (駆逐艦, kuchikukan) of their day. This came as a surprise to the Allies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II), who had generally underestimated Japanese technical capabilities. The Japanese had reassessed their naval needs in the mid-1920s and, placing an emphasis on ship and weapons technology and night-fighting expertise, developed a completely new destroyer design. Subsequent development from one destroyer class to the next was not, however, a smooth progression. Aside from the usual changes arising from experience, serious design faults also came to light and naval treaties imposed restrictions. As a result, the early "Special Type" destroyers required significant changes and the specifications of subsequent classes was reduced in one way or another. Naval treaties were later abrogated in 1937 and so destroyer development continued without regard to limits.
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Thank you for a nice pic of our IJN Yukikaze which I ever built at 1/100 so many years ago. :-)) :-)) :-))
I used to learn our own old navy and its naval vessels including their history containing what you mentioned above so much by many books, magazines and professional information partly for the sake of building RC model warships when I was young. O0
From this background, I just felt and noticed something strange "IJN Kirisame"?....while IJN Kirishima as in the title must be a BB {-)
That's all for the background to have commented O0 O0 Please build a nice IJN destroyer which was once a super type of destroyer literally in those days. O0 :-)) I will be soooo glad if I may be able to see it sail on the water by a video on here. :-)) :-)) :-))