Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: JayDee on April 25, 2008, 04:47:59 pm
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Hello,
I am building a 6 foot hulled model of the J Class yacht Endeavour.
Using the book by Ian Dear "Enterprise to Endeavour" as my guide.
It has stopped guiding me when dealing with the deck details !.
What wood are the deck planks made from, how wide are the planks and what length are they ??.
Photos in the book show the planks to be about 3 inches wide - - - judging by peoples feet standing on them, but no lengths showing anywhere.
All of the planks on the deck are curved to the outside of the Hull, which explains the narrow width of plank used.
The wood is possibly Teak, which does not stain when used next to metals etc, its very expensive too, but all the J Class owners were millionares - -so it wouldn't matter!.
I have spent hours searching the Web, all to no avail, any offers on definite details of the Deck ???.
Cheers,
John. :( :( :(
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Hi John
Have you tried contacting the J class association. Their website is
http://www.jclassyachts.com/index.html
Richie
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Hello Richie,
Great minds etc !!! - - - sent them an email this afternoon, will have to wait and see !!!.
Cheers,
John.
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Hello Richie,
I got two replies to my Email, both from the Secretary of the J Class Association, Mr David Pitman.
My Email was as follows ;
Hello,
I am building a 6 foot long hulled model of Endeavour 11, which will be radio
controlled.
Can you give me some details of the Deck.
What wood was the Deck made of.
What was the width of the deck planks.
How long were the planks.
The finished model will be for my own use only, for pleasure sailing.
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The reply was ;
PS - there are lots of pictures on our website that should help you.
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So I sent another Email ;
Hello David,
> I think the pictures on your Website are terrific, BUT, I need
> sizes to build my models Deck.
> Do you know of any source of these details ?, hardly the thing to
> do while building a Scale Model, is to be guessing the size of something so
> obviously in view as the Deck!!.
> Please can you help.
> Very Best Regards,
> John Dowd.
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The reply was as follows ;
Sorry, no I just do not get involved in this - just too busy managing
the full size ones
Sorry again,
David Pitman
Secretary, J Class Association
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So much for asking the EXPERTS.
John. >:( >:( >:(
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Not much help was he. Try this website
http://www.yacht-designer.co.uk/page29.html
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Sorry to say this, but some yachties (not all) can be extremely snotty.
Particularly those with a title. I don't mean titles such as 'Lord', but lesser mortals like Comodor, Secretary, etc.
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Hello,
Inspite of all the problems with the Deck layout, I have sailed the boat.
Went very well, had to remove the outer Jib, it needs more work to make it move from tack to tack.
The boat sails very fast and turns well too, lots more work to be done yet, painting, the Deck, fittings, etc etc !!.
John. O0 O0 O0
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Hi John
Looking very good.
TT
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John, your boat looks absolutely great! Sorry to say, that I too have not learned anything new since our last conversation. If I do, I'll post.
Ooby
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Hello,
There are more pictures of the Endeavour on my Website.
www.john-dowd.co.uk
Building is continuing, the boat sails and turns very well.
Next is the Deck planking, then painting the Hull, so lots more to do !!.
John. O0 O0 O0
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Hello
Been to the Southport Clubs hosting of the Lifeboat Rally this weekend.
Sailed the Endeavour and my Schooner, Bluenose on their very nice Lake.
What an Event !!, very well organised, Clubs and traders, really good P A, clean toilets, good food, good Company,
what else could one need??.
Even the weather was kind, mornings were a little cool, but no rain and it soon cleared up into a lovely sunny weekend.
Met up with lots of old friends and made a good few new ones too, was smiling all the way home in the car!.
Roll on next year !!!!!.
John, O0 O0 O0
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Hello,
Some photos of my J Class Endeavour, taken at the National Lifeboat rally at Southport.
Photos by Jon Godsell.
John. :) :) :)
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John, great looking boat, hope I can do half as well with my 4foot version. Did you find anything anywhere that gave really good pictures of deck layouts and cabin/cockpit sizes and positions on any of the J's? I would like to make mine at least semi scale looking, preferably of Ranger but any of them would help. I have tried the results of Mr Googles search and although there were some general photos there were not any I could scale dimensions off. Have you seen the Christchurch (New Zealand) club pages at www.canterbury-j-class.org.nz ? Regards, Ian.
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Hello Ian,
Yes the Canterbury Js are very good, but not as scale as I would like.
There does seem to be a shortage of info on the Js in general, I have a deck layout,
but looking at pictures on the web, I don't think it is correct.
John.
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John, most of the Canterbury J's in the Christchurch club are built as straight out race boats without worrying about the scale look but I live hundreds of miles away and so am just using their hull to build something for the fun sail days we have locally. 48" is a good size for transporting for me. I would like it to look something like scale but not neccessarily 100% accurate, perhaps a combination of cabins etc from more than one J. I have some old articles and have noticed that the pictures on the J website of Ranger as she is now do not have the same cabin as the old days so obviously there have been changes over the years. Any books, magazine articles or plans you can point me towards would be appreciated. Thanks, Ian.
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Hello Ian,
The only book I have regarding the J Class is by Ian Dear, "Enterprise to Endeavour, The J Class Yachts", ISBN 0 946052 2.
It is an absolute Bible of the J Class, very expensive, but worth every penny.
The best website about Js is a French one, loads of very good photos, of an enormous model boat, 1/10th Scale, the Hull is 13 feet long !!.
He must have a truck to transport it to the Lake.
http://cmnc.hippocampe.free.fr/page.php?lang=FR&id_page=endeavour
John. ;)
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As much as I love all things nautical, boats with engines are great - a boat like that heeling under sail, now that IS a thing of beauty.
could you poosibly get some video of it sailing?
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Thanks for that John. I will see if our library can find the book for me. I get very good service from them. If any library in the country has it they will procure it for me for three weeks and I only pay 45 to cover postage both ways. I will have a surf around your wesite and the French one and I am sure I will come up with enough ideas to put together something I am happy with. Again thanks for your help. Regards, Ian.
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Hi Guys,
I have just been down the local pond for the first time and introduced myself. Its a large lake in wonderful setting but full of weed at this time of year.
Most of the guys were having trouble but one chap sailing a not to scale J class was zipping along due I believe to the shape of the keel.
So I must have one could anyone tell me were I could get a hull please.
Yours Colin H.
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Hello Colin,
As far as I am aware there is no one producing J Class hulls in Europe.
In the USA there some being made, one of which is Larry Ludwig, who can be contacted on larry@ludwigrcyachts.com
The USA hulls are all 1/16th Scale, which gives a hull of 8 1/2 feet long !!, also they are VERY expensive.
My Endeavour is built onto an existing 10 Rater hull, and is a mere 6 foot long - - - BIG boats.
John. O0
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John- just a thought...... as the J-classes are all pretty similar, did you have contacted Southampton Yacht Services and Gerard Dijkstra in Netherlands? As they had restoring the Velsheda I am sure they know a bit more about the planking.
If this doesn`t work, try to find via Google or something similar the website of Elisabeth Mayer. She was owning the Endeavor for a long time and the refurbishment was made on her own dockyard.
Just my penny.
All the best, Jörg
P.S.: Bloody hell, the boat looks brilliant- keep on the good job!
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How about a French 1/10th scale !!!!!!
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a3nige,
Yes, i have known about that boat for a long time, the hull is over 13 FEET long !!.
A fabulous boat, BUT, how does he move it about ?, a 1/10 scale mast is almost 17 feet long.
Even if the mast is in two parts, it and the Hull would need a rather large trailer to get to the lake.
Another photo on his website shows two guys putting VERY large lumps of Lead into the boat, before it starts sailing!!.
Just imagine sailing that boat, then realising that all your mates had gone home!!!.
Not much use calling the French equivalent of the RAC for help, or dashing round looking for a Fork lift truck!.
I would love to know how he moves it around.
The website is at http://cmnc.hippocampe.free.fr it is well worth a visit.
John.
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Magnificent ! The site has some nice steam engines and boats too. Construction of the sailing boats is well covered, some excellent workmanship.
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A great site now added to my favourites.
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Thanks for that John I will start to have a look around I am looking at something 24 to 30 inchs.
Colin H.
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Hello all,
Couple of photos of my yacht Britannia which is 850 m/m x 1150 high plank on frame. Unfortunately she is a static so will never see water! Not an official J-Class but was adapted later to compete. Cant remember when but have got details somewhere. There is a company in Holland that is making (real - replica) J-Class yachts and one of them is the Endeavour and I think two more which will be completed sometime around 2010 ish. Google J-Yachts and its bound to come up. When I come back from holiday, I will put the site on here, have not got time at moment.
Ron
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Meant to put on earlier that this is my first attempt at a j-class - or any type of yacht - and a lot of things I had to make myself as parts supplied were c##p. Winch etc.
Have missed some fittings I'm sure as plans were also not the best. If you can tell from these photos please let me know as I am now doing the Rainbow and want to get this correct. Thanks.
Ron.
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JayDee,
PM and regular email (picture) sent.
Ooby
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Hello,
My J Class boat is out of commission at the moment - - in the workshop, having a new ply deck, which is to be planked, Cabins made and fitted, generally being made much more "Scale" looking.
Tearing around with a white plastic deck and no Cabins, is not on, all the "testing" has been done, now is the time to get down to making her look a lot more like the original "J Class Endeavour".
I have to admit that the "testing" was very enjoyable, was tempted to leave things as they were, as most of the Scale fittings will not be seen out in the middle of a wind swept lake - - but the boat cannot stay out there all day !!.
But approach the bank and someone is bound to say, "Oh, you have no Cabins!", I know they will !!.
So its out with the tools and such, for a good while.
John. ok2
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Hello Andrew.
"Hi, Jaydee, how did the hot-goo-veneer go?"
It didnt happen, I bottled out working with very thin bits of wood !!
Still trying to pick up the courage to do it, did a small test piece which looks very good, but no planking!.
I have built a scale "Park Avenue Boom", which has turned out very well, it was a real pig to make though.
Lots of the yanks make them, but they make them of solid wood, which must be too heavy.
Mine is made from 1/16th ply, with a carbon tube through the middle for added strength.
Needs filling and painting, all the fittings are done on it - - pleased with it!.
Park Avenue Booms were make to hold the bottom edge of the Mail sail in a prescribed curve, by means of small runners
and pegs.
They were around 4 1/2 feet wide, folk used to sit on them on chairs, with a table, drinking Chamapagne!,
Things you have to do when you are Rich !!.
The idea behind the wide Boom was the same as the small Wing-lets on todays airliners, it stops the air from spilling out over
the ends of the Wing or Sail.
Makes them more efficient.
I will not be fitting the slides and pegs to my scale boom, scaling them down, there is no way to make them strong enough,
which is a shame.
John.
www.john-dowd.co.uk
MARTIN, CAN YOU MOVE THIS TO THE ENDEAVOUR THREAD!!!!!
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Hello,
I posted the previous post into the wrong thread, Martin corrected my mistake!!.
These are the pictures that should have gone into the other post.
The construction of the park avenue boom.
The boom is 36 inches long, 2 1/2 inches wide, nice and light !!.
John.
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Jay,
I am sorry I missed this thread some how. I used to own a 6 meter sailboat and my decks were 3" teak planks with a 1/2" holly wood strip in between each plank. (see diagram below) My decks did not have varnish on them they were finished with teak oil, every other week I would scrub down the deck and apply new teak oil (really hated that <*< job). Each plank was some where between 12' and 16' feet long depending where on the deck it was. There were three sets of planks from the bow to the stern with the plank ends off set by one frame in sets of four. Cleaning that deck is the one thing that I don't miss at all. The reason for teak oil over varnish is that varnish will give a very smooth deck by filling up the grain of the wood and putting a high shinny surface that you will slip on where the teak oil will shed water but not make the deck slippery by leaving the grain of the wood open, which then collects water, salt grime and seagull mess, >:-o ( So help me God I don't know why the Seagull was a protected bird, oh yea if it wasn't protected we would have shot as many of them as we could have gotten ) hence the every other week cleaning. >>:-( >>:-(
I hope this helps,
Andre
Over yonder in Portland Oregon
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Hello,
Been working on a "Park Avenue Boom", finally made one at 1/20th scale!, not the easiest thing I have made, rather like making a VERY long, narrow Hull !.
Sorted out how to make the Tracks and Sliders, which control the base of the Mainsail, - - - - - now comes the difficult part.
How was the Mainsail fastened to the Sliders on the top of the triangular Boom ????.
The ONLY photo I can find on the Web, shows the tracks and the Sliders, BUT no picture of the Mainsail in position.
I am trying to keep the boat as true to scale as possible, so I dont want to "guess" how the Sail was connected to the Sliders.
Any offers?, obviously a photo would be the best solution, but a memory of a photo would do at a pinch !.
Done a lot of work on this Boom, would be a shame to spoil it by getting this wrong.
John. :(( :(( :((