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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Pleasure boats, Sports, Race, Power and Leisure Boats: => Topic started by: das boot on May 19, 2008, 05:37:50 pm
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My old w/cooled Bullet powered MFA Spearfish...the grandchildren got at the photo before I could rescue it. :'( >>:-(
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I have one of these in the loft, great looking boat.
Too many other projects to do first though!
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It's no good sitting in the loft man...either build it or sell it to me!! I fancy another Spearfish...big boat, easy to build, lovely handling in a chop, and the possibility of shoehorning a really rapid motor in it. Yea...sell it to me!
Cheers,
Rich
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Have built it, had 2 days study leave. Sorry ;)
Has the now infamous s.m.b.c. Andrew Nightingale merco .61 in it
However, not being the one to dissapoint, go to https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1520081/0 , theres one for sale there, if you fancy going to dubai and the missus will allow you £22,250.
Or, if the missus wont allow you this much, go to http://www.formbymodelshop.com/468---spearfish-2-287-p.asp , where there is a much cheaper (admittedly much smaller) one, starts life as an electric for a 850, but is still moulded glassfibre so could be beefed up slightly to take an i.c. It is the same size as mine.
I am thinking of entering mine into omra do's, so look out for B204 in the future!
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TRY D203.
What have you done now?????? >:( I hope the pipe works/ is fitted even. If the answer to this is No, then don't even bother bringing it down to the lake as you will not be able to run it. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Andy.
As for your history so far, OMRA will be shaking in there boot's NOT!
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Have built it, had 2 days study leave. Sorry ;)
Has the now infamous s.m.b.c. Andrew Nightingale merco .61 in it
However, not being the one to dissapoint, go to https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1520081/0 , theres one for sale there, if you fancy going to dubai and the missus will allow you £22,250.
Or, if the missus wont allow you this much, go to http://www.formbymodelshop.com/468---spearfish-2-287-p.asp , where there is a much cheaper (admittedly much smaller) one, starts life as an electric for a 850, but is still moulded glassfibre so could be beefed up slightly to take an i.c. It is the same size as mine.
I am thinking of entering mine into omra do's, so look out for B204 in the future!
Good man, well done...any pics of the finished item? Lovely looking boats, aren't they? I prefer the Spearfish to the Huntsman/Fantome any day. I went to an offshore race day at Llyd years ago, it was held at a big gravel pit just off the main road if I remember rightly...a guy there had a Spearfish with a chainsaw motor in it, it was frightening to watch the thing trying to get airborne when he opened the throttle!
I'm trying to downsize, by the way...it may be a bit tight trying to get a full size Spearfish in my front room. I don't have a missus now [twice bitten...never again!] but the smaller version appeals to me.
Cheers,
Rich
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TRY D203.
What have you done now?????? >:( I hope the pipe works/ is fitted even. If the answer to this is No, then don't even bother bringing it down to the lake as you will not be able to run it. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Andy.
As for your history so far, OMRA will be shaking in there boot's NOT!
It wont be down for a while, but i have a source for a new manifold!!
Be afraid omra people, be very afraid!!!! O0
Ive also sorted the reliability issues, by stripping it down and removeng about 1 1/16 of an inch of solid gunk from the bottom of the crankcase and cylinder head!!
P.s my omra number is 204 :)
Also nice to know you have confidence in my abilities Bill =]
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oh and as another little ad-lib, my building is quite good when i build the whole thing!
whoever made the huntsman put in a manifold thats too big and can't be attached without it falling off, a radio box that may have well have been a sieve, and a fuel tank that would have sunk the titanic without the iceberg!!
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I got me a photobucket O0
Heres some pictures of the finished item:
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Note that the pushrods are not yet connected, as I have no spare Bellows, I have some on order at Mainly Models, and should be in tomorrow, so it can go for a sail sunday O0
Shall take some photos of it on the water
Andy
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How much Ex pipe is hanging out the back??? If you want to go in OMRA race's you are only aloud 65mm What have you raped round the pipe & why?
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Its got some ally foil around the pipe to try and deflect heat away from the radio box, as its only a couple of centemetres away.
It also has 11cm of overhang at the back, but I do have a much smaller first stage pipe in the spares box O0
I was kinda joking about the OMRA races though, I may do it if that other merco runs, as it is newer. I have cleaned it with an old electric toothbrush, soaked it in fuel for 2 days, cleaned all the grime from the inside of the piston liner, removed and soaked the ballraces in oil, then I reassembled it and squirted some after-run oil in. It has plenty of compression and is now as smooth as a babies' a*** O0
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How could I make a lid for it? I think it needs one. I do have some glassfibre, but I would need for you to teach me how to do it Bill ;)
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I would try and make a lid in the same style as the cabin ton, but with loads of vents in it. I made them out of plywood and balsa before.
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wassa cabin ton?
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A cabin ton is what you will have to accept if you want me to help you. Don't start. 8) 8)
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Thats still as clear as mud stirred with a stick ???
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Wats that girt great metal tube hanging out the back for then? Stick a Bullet in there, hook up 24 D cells to it...just as quick and lots less hassle!
Nice boat, by the way...
Cheers,
Rich
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That great metal tube is a pipe that was nicked from a huntsman that had its engine a lot further forward.
I do have another first stage of the pipe that is a lot shorter, so will be fitted soon.
Thinking of that Merco's track record, the electric version would be faster.
You're not one of those electric boat people are you? UNCLEAN!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
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Not A demented egg whisk owner ;D ;D
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Andy. take a look at www.speedline-models.com then go into the lifeboat section
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Andy. take a look at www.speedline-models.com then go into the lifeboat section
Bill's new un- secret desires O0
Can that rib be powered? we could do formation driving to rescue a stranded person after the rescue boat is hit again and sinks O0
Actually thats a bad idea as I would probably be the person in the rescue boat O0
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To the Bat mobile Andy {-) {-)
It looks the biss, what do you think? number 2 OMRA boat or Lifeboat.
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That great metal tube is a pipe that was nicked from a huntsman that had its engine a lot further forward.
I do have another first stage of the pipe that is a lot shorter, so will be fitted soon.
Thinking of that Merco's track record, the electric version would be faster.
You're not one of those electric boat people are you? UNCLEAN!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
Used to dabble a bit in fast electrics, I had one or two boats, but the lure of submarines was always too strong. And yes, my subs were/are leccie powered. There's barely enough room in a sub to squeeze everything in as it is, let alone big noisy ic motors...and hulking great exhaust pipes!
Unclean indeed...sniff sniff. :D
Cheers,
Rich
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Seeing as its in a sub, you shall be excused ;)
The old torpedoes had a petrol engine in them, fed with air by a bottle of oxygen, and the exhaust went out through the middle of the prop, like a modern outboard's exhaust does. These were quite large and so an RC sub powered in this manner would not fit into the back of your car, even if you had a transit van. :)
I'd quite like a sub actually, but they're far too expensive for me (a student, says it all O0) and our lake is also quite smelly and brown, so I wouldn't be able to see it if it did dive, and if I did dive it the water would probably dissolve all the internals or something!
Andy
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Bit of an update to the Spearfish, I've put the new fully rebuilt and cleaned merco in, and my neighbours are very friendly and kind so they let me run it up in the garden. Ran about 14 oz. of fuel through it (two tanks full). Had it purring beautifully after a bit of a mod to the needle valve (it was freely spinning and b***ring up any adjustments I made). Now sings and throttles well. Watch it stop in the middle sunday O0 ::)
Unfortunately I didn't take photos as I was too busy manually operating the throttle and getting two lungfulls of exhaust gases :(
Completely drained one glowstart in the process, and rigged up a system with a fuel/water pump connected via some silicon tubing to the water pickup tube on the cylinder head and to a bucket of cold (now quite warm) water to keep it nice and cool. took a reding off the cylinder head at 54.8ºc
Another finding I have is that the hull halves were stuck together with :o :o :o :o bathroom sealant :o :o :o :o :o Which has split open at the front left when the expanding polysteyrene was doing it's business. May have to revise that somewhat.
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To the Bat mobile Andy {-) {-)
It looks the biss, what do you think? number 2 OMRA boat or Lifeboat.
They do look really good. The diesel sound effect you were on about is a Robbe unit, and is £24.99 from Westbourne Model centre www.westbourne-model.co.uk, they also do a fog horn for £11.50 and a destroyer siren ( O0 ) for £13.99. I'm having one of their Smoke Generators in this PT boat I'm building, Rolands got one in a battleship, it burns baby oil!
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Hi Andy.
Did you know that that builders foam stuff expends and will B()ger a boat up???? Twit ;D Why do you think I have per formed foam bits in my boat. If you have to do any repairs on the hull you have to dig it all out to get to the inside. NOT one of your good moves I think. :D
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Are you going to fit sound units to a boat with a Merco engine AND a tuned pipe?
To make a lid for it, I would start of with a paper template of the opening, transfer that to plywood,
build up a cockpit or cabin to your own preferences, skill and time constraints
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Are you going to fit sound units to a boat with a Merco engine AND a tuned pipe?
No I'm not martin, I'm just about to start build of the Higgings Hellcat in this months Model Boats, and shall hopefully be fitting a sound system and smoke generator to it.
As for the expanding polystyrene, it was the stuff that expands as soon as it left the bottle, I left it plenty of room both vertically and horizontally to expand further, but it was that little bit there that prized the bathroom sealant apart....
No need to worry about collisions anymore, as the front of that hull is ROCK SOLID O0 any scrapes/holes it does get could just be filled... but then I'm a careful driver O0
No cutting needed, it just compresses back down again with just finger and thumb so I'll just stick some P-38 in and get the big clamps on it. It'll be fine for sunday morning :) Oh wait you won't see it... damned shame... ;)
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Hi Andy.
Did you know that that builders foam stuff expends and will B()ger a boat up???? Twit ;D NOT one of your good moves I think. :D
It would have been fine if the hull halves were joined properly, it would have expanded laterally instead of pushing it open O0
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Another update to the Spearfish, I filled the gaping expanse with P-38, then leant on it for about three quarters of an hour, whilst reading model boats (got a bit bored of leaning and looking at the wall). It didnt stick, it just lifted off again >>:-( , after considering this, I decided just to fill the hole.
This didn't work either, it's lifted even further, so I've now decided to just leave it. There's plenty of foam in there so it won't sink ;) . When it eventually does come apart, I can cut the foam down and seal it properly. Doesn't seem as if it's going anywhere so it should be alright.
To the Bat mobile Andy {-) {-)
It looks the biss, what do you think? number 2 OMRA boat or Lifeboat.
I reckon a lifeboat, it's something different, and you can only race one boat at a time O0
As for a bat mobile, don't know where we'd get one of them from, and I doubt it'll float O0
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Hi Andy
Came 9th on Sunday. I had a water cooling prob which caused me to stop and investgate. Started off again and it started to steam so I was forced to pack up. If I hadn't have had probs I think I would have made it into the top 4/5 place. Trying a new water pick up now. Should be down Sunday to see if it makes things better or not.
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It didnt stick, it just lifted off again >>:-( , after considering this, I decided just to fill the hole.
Clean ithe surfaces off with meths or turps or the like and use Epoxy glue.
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It didnt stick, it just lifted off again >>:-( , after considering this, I decided just to fill the hole.
Clean ithe surfaces off with meths or turps or the like and use Epoxy glue.
Aha, I shall then O0
See you sunday Bill, maybye a leak in the water cooling O rings seeping water onto pipe/cylinder head, boiling the water? Just a thought...
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Found you on our very own Model Boat Mayhem website not one, but two boats Bill, take your pick O0
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/Photo%20month/images/Acland_Lifeboat_sml.jpg)
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I have one of these in the loft, great looking boat.
Too many other projects to do first though!
{-) Mines in the loft too {-)
Good easy build and very nice boats, mines electric O0 Oh one quick question do you think it would have problems if i put a 2.4 reciver in mine?
Its kinda quick but not to rapid??
All the best
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I have one of these in the loft, great looking boat.
Too many other projects to do first though!
{-) Mines in the loft too {-)
Good easy build and very nice boats, mines electric O0 Oh one quick question do you think it would have problems if i put a 2.4 reciver in mine?
Its kinda quick but not to rapid??
All the best
No probs at all O0 As long as you're using a 2.4Ghz transmitter too ;) ;)
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Didnt think of that :angel:
Thanks for the advice though, i wasnt to sure if it would be a good idear or not, but il be swopin it over to 2.4 with all boats then
All the best O0
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Hi All
Take a look at the Photo off the month. IT'S MY BOAT O0
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andyn,
The foam will keep expanding and contracting due to the temperature.
If you can take the deck off and cut the foam at lease 1/8 inch below the deck level to allow for a little expansion.
This foam will expand in ALL planes!!
Bob
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andyn,
The foam will keep expanding and contracting due to the temperature.
If you can take the deck off and cut the foam at lease 1/8 inch below the deck level to allow for a little expansion.
This foam will expand in ALL planes!!
Bob
Maybye I shall O0
Shall cut it into sections for easy removal later...
Cheers
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Been in the shed repairing...
Or just making even more of a mess...
Looks like I've fixed it...
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But I haven't...
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Its now as smooth as a babys a*** though O0
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After a trip to Bill's to remove all the gunk and bathroom sealant with a Dremel, it was decided that the old thing needed a new paint job, so off I trundled to Halfords to get some paint and primer. I think the finished result looks quite good, even if I do say so myself ;) . I've also scrubbed all the grime off the propshaft and water pick up to make it shiney, and have made a start on the manifold. Paints used were Ford Black and Ford Azure metallic- for that shiney look O0
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Nice one Andy. Don't give up your day job {-) {-) {-)
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Dammed fine paint job there young Sir keep up the good work.One point that does worry me slightly is the expanding foam as that stuff has a tendancy to absorb water
stavros
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Andy. Don't forget AFTER it has dry-ed off for a few days Spray it with a Fuel proof varnish. This should lock all the paint in and stop the fuel from eating the paint.
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Andy. Don't forget AFTER it has dry-ed off for a few days Spray it with a Fuel proof varnish. This should lock all the paint in and stop the fuel from eating the paint.
Ok then where can I get some from?
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Barry dose one or Halfords dose a Petrol proof varnish. Not sure if it is any good for nitro fuel . Maybe someone out there can tell us?
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I have the stuff Barry sells but it says NOT FOR METALLIC PAINT >>:-( on it. damn metallic paint, why didnt I get it.
Oh yes, because its shiney and sparkles a lot O0
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You live & learn then Andy. Back down to Halfords then. You MUST let all the paint dry for a few days before you Varnish it up.
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Okey dokey O0
What am I looking for in Halfords? going to one in Hitchin tomorrow anyway
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Just done the top too. Matches almost perfectly to the bottom.
Its a hell of a lot shiney..er in real life than in the pics.
Got some Halfords fuel proofer on the way back from an exam today, shall spray it when I've joined the hull halves. I might join them tonight.
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{-) Mines in the loft too {-)
Build it then, we can race them O0 There would be a race within a race at the OMRA dos then :)
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show and tell ;)
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back in 2006 ^^
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Done the joining, has held very well, left it to dry with 30-odd half inch wide wing bands from the gliders.
As soon as my bellows come in I can take it to the lake :)
I may borrow a cameraman and possibly take a vid
Looks good that boat, just a snappy paint job and some equipment to go then O0
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I WANT ONE !!!! ;D
http://www.wawu.eu/V12video.html
What do we reckon, the project after the Crusader? A V12 PT boat??
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I don't think so Andy. 1 Its seems to be very low revving. 2 YOU CAN'T afford one.
I'm off to Wales in a bit. Have a good weekend.
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You should have used pool noodles £1 from poundshop or pipe insulators from B&Q even cheaper,dont absorb water either.That stuff you used will be like a sponge :o.Like the blue hate the black though sorry.
Mart
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I don't think so Andy. 1 Its seems to be very low revving. 2 YOU CAN'T afford one.
I'm off to Wales in a bit. Have a good weekend.
Hehe I'll stick it in one of those rtr bat boats instead then ;)
Have tried and it doesnt seem to absorb anything, but i'll chop some out and fit some pool thingys before I take it out anyways. Did you manage to get any from the beach Bill? don't worry if you didn't, I have another source O0
Hope you win the race, see you next week? O0
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Didn't make it to Wales. Mess up and had to stay in Wiltshire till this afternoon.
Yes I have 6 Noodles £1.50 each. If you want to pop round in the week for them Andy.
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Been to wings & wheels today, you should of seen the lifeboat! about 50 odd inches in white gel coat. He wanted £165 for it.
www.metcalf-mouldings.co.uk (http://www.metcalf-mouldings.co.uk) <- is there for same price.
They also do other lifeboats O0
They launched off 4 Weston UK Tigersharks and within five minuits three had crashed and one had to land dead-stick.
There was also a spectacular piece of flying with a Starfighter, the wind caught it on landing and it started rocking about, the bloke managed to land it (vertically) then bounced it onto its wheels, think it was alright.
The wind was far too high. There was some good trade stands though.
The Daleks and tanks were there, one of witch was about 5 foot long with quite a good sound and smoke system.
Couldn't quite get my head around why one stand had two tops for a nuclear sub for sale, but no undersides ???
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my spearfish
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The fairey spearfish would of been ok if it had been 46 inch like the big huntsman.
The problem with them was they were too shalow in the freeboard.
The fibrglass models were not right compared to the real ones, mfa used a fantome hull and reduced the size.
again the fantome in model form has not got the right hull,especially when looking at it from the front on.
And not the right amount of spray rails !!!.they were only made as stand off scale.
a good 40 size engine in the spearfish was plenty enough power, ive seen hp40 gold cup beat a austro webra 61 in these boats
and both were owned and set up by the same person.(back in early 1980's)
61 was too much power for the little boats, but loads of people had a merco 61 in them buzzing around the lakes.
Those old merco's were very decent engines,and pretty reliable too.
But i have seen a couple of wooden home made speafishes that looked real nice, and went very well.
Mfa done the spearfish in a few colours, white (you dont see very often) orange(early 80's), light blue, and i did see a red one ,but
that could of been painted.
The thing that was good for the spearfish was the size of the hatch opening,this was considered big when they came out ha ha .
Like them or hate them, they are still around and still available new, just a pity they are not made in the 46inch size.
something about all the fairey marine boats ,its those classic lines that never look outdated.
phill