Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: Faraday's Cage on May 19, 2008, 08:02:56 pm
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Starting tonight (Monday19/05/08) Channel 5, 21.00.
Life aboard HMS Illustrious. First of 6 episodes.
Apologies to all the ex - pats and all others who can't get Channel 5
FC
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Hmm. Jury still out on this one. Not sure if it was incompetent film making/editing or the demeanour of some of the younger crew members. Complaining about only getting 5 hours sleep a night during a "work-up"! Luxury! But the film never once mentioned that a ship doesn't go into the Thursday War until it has done a couple of weeks basic training. The impression given was that the ship went directly from a long spell in port into a practise "war-zone". Surely not so. We used to have the 1st week of "work-up" in harbour doing all the usual stuff and drills etc. before we went out into the channel. Also during that 1st week, all the ships systems and procedures were checked out ( in my dept. that meant all Nav. charts and publications, ammunition stowage and papertrail etc.). It is also pretty common knowledge that the FOST staff will mark you down during the first couple of weeks no matter how perfect you may be. Then in the following weeks you will be gradually get marked higher...this is supposed to reflect well on the FOST staff input and "their" training regime. Some of the staff are superb and really want to help, but I'm afraid that quite a lot of them just like being in a position to hector rather than "train". Like I said, the jury is still out.....nearly forgot, does the "Lust" really only have a Lt.Cdr. as its senior engineer officer? And does that rather dirty air compressor really get used for recharging B.A.tanks?
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got to agree with you there bryan,times must be a changin...two weeks `work-up` was hard graft in my navy time.
Not completly sure but ships co was always in war mode, 4 on 4 off....what do you reckon?
Unfortunately I dont live in the UK so as for the 6 part serial....got no idea....but it is about Jack so
I hope someday SVT will show it.
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Most impressive clip for me was when the seaman "let go" the anchor (is that the correct phrase?), I love to have a go at that!
I like the fact there's another seaman behind him to pull him back, in case he slips I guess.
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I am not sure about it, it did not portray the crew and the ship in very good light. Some of the crew gave the impression that the only reason they signed up is because they could not get any other job, and then moaned about the job they were doing.
Technical question, would they really use an HP air compressor to fill BA equipment, seems a bit excessive?? We have HP compressors where I work and would not use 50bar pressure to fill a BA set no matter how it is regulated.
Brian
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It might just be the impression that came over on TV but I got the impression that it was a bit of a scruffy, old rustbucket :(. I liked the mini-gun though - I'll bet that would be quite impressive on a clay pigeon shoot ;) {-)
Derek. :police:
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Yes they do use the compressors to charge the ba upto 270 bar which gives about 45 minutes breath time. Lusty actually has 4 of these compressors on board. IT all goes into a ringmain and you have charge panels which you fill the ba bottles from
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Thanks Warship1
I understood about starting the engines using the hp compressors, I have seen that done but charging ba sets up to 270bar that is some serious regulating, the bottles must get nice and warm.
Brian
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"ba bottles"......?
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all hand regulated mate, so it depends on who is charging them.
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got to agree with you there bryan,times must be a changin...two weeks `work-up` was hard graft in my navy time.
Not completly sure but ships co was always in war mode, 4 on 4 off....what do you reckon?
Unfortunately I dont live in the UK so as for the 6 part serial....got no idea....but it is about Jack so
I hope someday SVT will show it.
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Apart from the "harbour week" we were on "Defence Watches" a lot of the time, but as the RFAs prime role is re-supply a lot of the time was spent doing just that...and that is difficult (and dangerous) with only half a crew. If we had an "emergency" during a RAS then an "emergency Breakaway" would be conducted. Do you think the "forum" would be interested in some "personal" memories of "work-ups"? Some very odd tales therein!. Bryan.
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Hi there one and all
What seems not to have been mentioned & clearly forgotten on the discussion about air compressors for BA Systems (or breathing aparatus) - when the air leaves the compressor it goes through various stages of filters. The last stage of filtration for breathing is normally through a ceramic air filtering system - these systems clean the air twice as clean as the air we normally breath. The same sort of system is used as a back-up supply for decompression chambers for divers' use - only with the decompression chambers there is a gas-mix filtration system as well. Some of these systems are that good you can 'scrub the air that clean' it can clean an 'unwanted body function smell out of it - in no time'.
I know that the Royal Navy have three 4-man portable decompression systems. I know that one of them is aboard HMS Ark Royal (that is if she is still in commission) Lusty will have the other 'in service' decompression chamber which would be linked directly to one of these compressors, via the filter system.
aye
john e
bluebird
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In the US, Public Television recently aired a ten hour series called "Carrier" , documenting a deployment of the USS NIMITZ. Would very much like to watch "Warship" concerning the HMS ILLUSTRIOUS for comparison. I suspect we'd see a lot of similarities.
Swordfish
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There all too soft these days, Work up at Portland was never ending graft both alongside and at sea...........we even did a two month work up prior to our deployment
round the WEST INDIES for 6 months, although we ended up going a lot further than the west Indies. We pulled in at New Orleans as the representatives for the British Film Industry
Bash!!! don't ask how we got to that.
Greatest trip I ever had that was and for all those who remember.......the exercise called R.A.S Replenishment at sea with the RFA.
Now that is something to be seen at speed too, ratings frantically transferring stores below.....I think it went.....ONE FOR THEM.......2 FOR US!!!!!!
I really enjoyed them as you got to use some of the lesser known and used skills like the Bosun's Chair transfer, purely as an exercise of course but
when you in the chair dangling between two fast moving beasts its get the old heart pumping....great stuff.
Will we see anything like that????
HMS GHURKA Tribal Class Frigate 1978 west Indies deployment.
I shall watch and see how things are done today.
Cheers
Cliff
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YES, please, Brian....it's the way you tell um!
Roger in France.
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Martin
BA Bottles = Breathing Apperatus Bottles, the cylinders you see on the back of firefighters when they are fighting fires with toxic fumes. The navy have them if the crew have to fight fires on board ship, damm awkward to move about with one of those on you back.
Brian
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There all too soft these days, Work up at Portland was never ending graft both alongside and at sea...........we even did a two month work up prior to our deployment
round the WEST INDIES for 6 months, although we ended up going a lot further than the west Indies. We pulled in at New Orleans as the representatives for the British Film Industry
Bash!!! don't ask how we got to that.
Greatest trip I ever had that was and for all those who remember.......the exercise called R.A.S Replenishment at sea with the RFA.
Now that is something to be seen at speed too, ratings frantically transferring stores below.....I think it went.....ONE FOR THEM.......2 FOR US!!!!!!
I really enjoyed them as you got to use some of the lesser known and used skills like the Bosun's Chair transfer, purely as an exercise of course but
when you in the chair dangling between two fast moving beasts its get the old heart pumping....great stuff.
Will we see anything like that????
HMS GHURKA Tribal Class Frigate 1978 west Indies deployment.
I shall watch and see how things are done today.
Cheers
Cliff
Funnily enough I was on that deployment! Especially if you are on about RFA Resource. It was one of the odd times when we used the "monkey on a stick" rig, and I recall completely overwhelming the "Ghurka" with the speed of our transfers. So we all had a bit of a smoke-o to let you lot catch up. I was the Nav. on Resource at the time. But our prime reason for being there was twofold. Neither one to do with keeping you lot fed and watered (a mere by-product). No, it was the aerial transfer of a 600lb "naughty" weapon from us to you with the assistance of your little buzzing Wasp. Towards the back end of the main deck of Resource (and Regent) was a closed but open ended "garage" that was originally designed as a nuke prep area. I think this was the first time it had ever been used as such. Normally it was just a repository for any odd bits of stuff that was lying around. The decks were cleared of all personnel...but I could see from my Ivory Tower. The designated "stonnery" got their act together and eventually this little white thingy with little wings and a tail fin emerged on the forks of a carefully driven fork lift truck. Now that WAS a first! Usually the trucks would scoot around like in a fork lift grand prix. Not this time. The "thing" was duly delivered to the prep area where it remained for nearly an hour. Now remember all of this was very "hush-hush"...notwithstanding that the taxi drivers in Plymouth kept asking "us" to deliver parcels to their relatives/pals on "Ghurka". Eventually the "thing" was ready for transportation, and very heavily disguised in a tight fitting wool suit. Wow! A wooly bomb! That'll keep the secret from the Russkies. And I am not going to tell you what our second mission was for otherwise I may get into trouble....but does the word "Chevaline" mean anything to you?
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Not forgotten bluebird as i used to be a maintainer just didnt feel the need to go all the way in. The reason that the carriers have 4 compressors was because they used to create their own LOX and GOX for the pilots but these have since been removed. The new Ba is also Alot better than the old Basca system.
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Hi there Warship
I think really it is up to folk like yourself and others who have the knowledge of the workings of the engine room and auxiliaries - of Warship & Merchant vessels - to try and enlighten others of the true workings of a sea going Vessel's engine room. It is not just a case of a large engine which drives the ship forward - there are compressors, generators, fire pumps, bilge pumps as well as many other items. Some of them are not only used for one application, they can be cross-linked to do many other functions. Like in an emergency, how bilge pumps can be linked into the fire mains system.
We have to keep sharing and expanding our knowledge to help those less fortunate who have not managed to experience life aboard a ship yet. O0
aye
john e
bluebird
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Totally agree with you there, i just didnt want to flood people with information. But in future i will tell all and let people make up their own minds if they want to know it.
if you could amend this when you get a moment it would be much appreciated as i dont want to seem confrontational with it how it stands.
many thanks
Stu
Edit - Admin
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Warship1
Perhaps you and Bluebird could start a thread similar to BY with your experiences on board ships, I am sure a lot of members would be interested in it.
Brian
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I dont know about that mate i only posted as it was a subject i have some knowledge on, but i messed it up a bit.
stu
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Quote - And I am not going to tell you what our second mission was for otherwise I may get into trouble....but does the word "Chevaline" mean anything to you?
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Bryan,
You can forget the Official Secrets Act now - Your secret is out! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline.
By the way, did you have a highly secret official knitter making romper suits for H-bombs? Probably designated HiSOK?
Cheers,
Barry M
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Quote - And I am not going to tell you what our second mission was for otherwise I may get into trouble....but does the word "Chevaline" mean anything to you?
Bryan,
You can forget the Official Secrets Act now - Your secret is out! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline.
By the way, did you have a highly secret official knitter making romper suits for H-bombs? Probably designated HiSOK?
Cheers,
Barry M
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My remark was meant as a joke...but I realise it was a bit flat. Sorry. Bryan.
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Bryan - so was mine - sorry, Barry M :D
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HMS Illustrious, 5 minutes ago;
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Alright Christian, so you have a big pond at the bottom of your garden. ::)
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HMS Illustrious, 5 minutes ago;
Those piers in Gib used to be so attractive...but the tanks (fuel type) ruin them. So gather that "lust" passed out OK. Saves watching the rest of the prog then. (You spoilt the ending!!). BY.
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Think its good to watch and, see the difficulties in the modern navy with old, dated equipment etc.
So what if its not done the way some old salts on here say it was in their day? Things change!
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Think its good to watch and, see the difficulties in the modern navy with old, dated equipment etc.
So what if its not done the way some old salts on here say it was in their day? Things change!
What's your point? I criticise the filming and the crappy editing. The crew come across as a bunch of amateurs and the ship is portrayed as falling apart. Nothing to do with being an "old salt". Use your eyes and ears. The film makers seem to want to portray the ship and its crew in a very subtle derogatory way...and have succeeded. I am not the greatest fan of the RN, but I believe in fairness, and this bilge wasn't fair. Also too much coverage of the "kids" and not enough of the people who do the things that makes the entity "work". The equipment is not old and outdated...her recent refit (at our expense) brought her up to modern standards. Get your facts right before you spout off.
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Think its good to watch and, see the difficulties in the modern navy with old, dated equipment etc.
So what if its not done the way some old salts on here say it was in their day? Things change!
What's your point? I criticise the filming and the crappy editing. The crew come across as a bunch of amateurs and the ship is portrayed as falling apart. Nothing to do with being an "old salt". Use your eyes and ears. The film makers seem to want to portray the ship and its crew in a very subtle derogatory way...and have succeeded. I am not the greatest fan of the RN, but I believe in fairness, and this bilge wasn't fair. Also too much coverage of the "kids" and not enough of the people who do the things that makes the entity "work". The equipment is not old and outdated...her recent refit (at our expense) brought her up to modern standards. Get your facts right before you spout off.
Oh do calm down. I didnt think the crew did come across as a 'bunch of amatuers.' Far from it in fact. Some of those featured were young and probably inexperienced. How are they to get experience then? The ship had problems, why the heck should the bbc, or anyone else for that matter, paper over those faults? I suggest you climb down from your high horse. I didnt get the impression the film crew or producers wanted to portray the ships company in the light you suggest. You seem to be quite hysterical about a matter of fact programme that showed warts and all which were few and far between. Perhaps later programmes will concentrate on the people who make the entity 'work' as you say, later in the series? It was only the first programme for god's sake!
The refit may have brought systems up to date but was the refit doen before, during or after the programme? If after, I dont see how you can say the air compressor was modern. It looked old and had quite a bit of rust on it by the look of things so the refit obviously didnt renew that piece of equipment. There was also the problem with the shaft. Perhaps the refit didnt cover that?
And have you stopped for just one moment to think it may well serve the people of this country what difficulties our service personnel have to put up with as regards pieces of equipment that may not be up to the standard they or we expect? Obviously not!
As for getting facts right, why dont you accept others have a perfectly good right to have an opinion and that opinion may well differ from yours? You seem to have a bit of history of going off on one!
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Now, now guys....let's keep it civil. We may not all agree but we need not get irate with each other. Direct personal criticism and attacks as well as angry responses (if they are made) will be moderated.
Just a friendly warning.....at this stage.
Roger in France
Global Moderator.
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Its not really surprising that some of the equipment looked uncared for.
The way we operate these ships will always lead to that.
1 operational, the other in operational reserve tied up in 3 basin Portsmouth Dockyard.
You cannot expect to keep any ship in good condition unless fully crewed.
This will show up in equipment not overhauled in the refit IE Diving Air Compressors etc.
They are Naval Stores items and without maintainers are UxE (upkeep by exchange).
Bob
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Hi BY was Chevaline to do with the penatrative ability of Polaris missiles? If so see Wikipedia, info released in 1980!!!
regards Roy
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Roy,
Count back 11 postings before yours and try not to get your ankles bitten by the GOM in passing... ::)
Barry M
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Think its good to watch and, see the difficulties in the modern navy with old, dated equipment etc.
So what if its not done the way some old salts on here say it was in their day? Things change!
What's your point? I criticise the filming and the crappy editing. The crew come across as a bunch of amateurs and the ship is portrayed as falling apart. Nothing to do with being an "old salt". Use your eyes and ears. The film makers seem to want to portray the ship and its crew in a very subtle derogatory way...and have succeeded. I am not the greatest fan of the RN, but I believe in fairness, and this bilge wasn't fair. Also too much coverage of the "kids" and not enough of the people who do the things that makes the entity "work". The equipment is not old and outdated...her recent refit (at our expense) brought her up to modern standards. Get your facts right before you spout off.
Oh do calm down. I didnt think the crew did come across as a 'bunch of amatuers.' Far from it in fact. Some of those featured were young and probably inexperienced. How are they to get experience then? The ship had problems, why the heck should the bbc, or anyone else for that matter, paper over those faults? I suggest you climb down from your high horse. I didnt get the impression the film crew or producers wanted to portray the ships company in the light you suggest. You seem to be quite hysterical about a matter of fact programme that showed warts and all which were few and far between. Perhaps later programmes will concentrate on the people who make the entity 'work' as you say, later in the series? It was only the first programme for god's sake!
The refit may have brought systems up to date but was the refit doen before, during or after the programme? If after, I dont see how you can say the air compressor was modern. It looked old and had quite a bit of rust on it by the look of things so the refit obviously didnt renew that piece of equipment. There was also the problem with the shaft. Perhaps the refit didnt cover that?
And have you stopped for just one moment to think it may well serve the people of this country what difficulties our service personnel have to put up with as regards pieces of equipment that may not be up to the standard they or we expect? Obviously not!
As for getting facts right, why dont you accept others have a perfectly good right to have an opinion and that opinion may well differ from yours? You seem to have a bit of history of going off on one!
You are absolutely correct. I apologize. We are all entitled to our opinions and one is as good as another. Sorry. Bryan Y.
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After watching the episode last night, it strengthened my thoughts on the series. Unlike previous programmes on various branches of the armed services where I think the general aim of the programmes was to instill respect from the general public, this series seems to set out to trivialise the crew on 'Lusty'. The chap doing the commentary is more suited to some programme about 2nd hand cars or similar, perhaps Channel Five does not hire commentators of the same quality as the older TV channels. Hopefully it will improve as the series goes on, but my finger is inching towards the channel button on the zapper >:(
Mike
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After watching the episode last night, it strengthened my thoughts on the series. Unlike previous programmes on various branches of the armed services where I think the general aim of the programmes was to instill respect from the general public, this series seems to set out to trivialise the crew on 'Lusty'. The chap doing the commentary is more suited to some programme about 2nd hand cars or similar, perhaps Channel Five does not hire commentators of the same quality as the older TV channels. Hopefully it will improve as the series goes on, but my finger is inching towards the channel button on the zapper >:(
Mike
Guess I have to agree with you. But I still think the actual filming verges on the amateur, and the editing still leaves a lot to be desired. The commentary is by that chap who plays the rather seedy concierge in Hotel Babylon..not too far from your second hand car salesman. For some reason the photos of a "party" in todays Mail are of much better quality. (9 days off to play football? Free flights?)
From my recollections of the 3 ships, they always had a shaft / vibration problem. The blame "seems" to lie with MoD changing the spec during building, and it was never totally rectified. Bryan.
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Juries still out I guess. Enjoyed some of it but was horrified to see guns being fired without any anti-flash and with sleeves rolled up.All RN and RFAs have barbeques when they have time (even on ammunition ships), but a quite a few of the crew still seem to treat it all as a big joke. Might perk up a bit when they get a few aircraft on board. Going from the UK to the Indian Ocean without any embarked flight must make the deck crews pretty rusty....and shows the dire straits the RN must be in.
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I was also interested to see they didn't seem to have any sort of target practice..... :-\
Also the office said 'shoot back ... but you could end up in court or at a war crimes tribunal!'
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Never mind Lusty. I know it's off topic but did anyone see 'The Gadget Show' on before it?
Incredible robotic jelly fish at some German robotics firm. Basically a tank full that were self controling would swim in their own space and not colide and take it in turns to power up at an in tank charging system. Very impressive. And then they went into an atrium at the firms H.Q and had a air version - enough helium to float in air and the jelly fish arms 'flapped' to power skyward.
They also had aclip of the firms robotic rays which apart from the firms logo on the top of each 'wing' were indistinguishable from the real thing. Dont think they would of tasted too good though.
Mogs
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I was also interested to see they didn't seem to have any sort of target practice..... :-\
Also the office said 'shoot back ... but you could end up in court or at a war crimes tribunal!'
I've exercised with the Army (when in the RAF) and had one of our blokes subject to an exercise Board of Inquiry for 'shooting' a 'protester' who had jumped the fence and was running toward the Operations Block. The reason the Brigadier gave was that he, the protester, was not an obvious threat! This was prior to suicide bombers.
However, after that we couldn't get the blokes to take any 'offensive' action against the 'enemy'.
Guys posted to Iraq had to leave a letter saying how they would indicate they were acting under duress if captured and videoed. I found that particularly distasteful. It seems we don't even trust our own. Sad state of affairs.
I would hate to be in the front line these days.
Doug
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Given that some of our matelots burst into tears when relieved of their Ipods (essential military issue?) by Iranian erks, Wellington's phrase "I don't know what they do to the enemy but by God they frighten me", takes on a new significance.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Barry M
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After the last episode my jury has given it the thumbs down. I would imagine the RN being very wary about letting this sort of prog being made again. If the film was meant to show the RN in "an honest light" then the average viewer must be wondering where all the money goes. Vieweres with even an inkling about the operation of the RN must be holding their heads in disbelief. The filming, the editing, the script / narration is awful. The "grandstanding" is gross and encouraged. Misfits are singled out and given "starring"roles. Can the RAF really only "supply" 4 fixed wing aircraft? Personally, I cannot believe that a Harrier pilot appointed to an operational carrier has never done a deck landing on one. Although (as I have said before) I am not the greatest fan of the RN I do believe in at least a bit of fairness and take no pleasure in seeing such a revered institution being so royally shafted. BY.
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On another note..... and being a confirmed land lubber, I was surprised to see how tight the formation of the ships were as they made way. Is that usual?
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After the last episode my jury has given it the thumbs down. I would imagine the RN being very wary about letting this sort of prog being made again. If the film was meant to show the RN in "an honest light" then the average viewer must be wondering where all the money goes. Vieweres with even an inkling about the operation of the RN must be holding their heads in disbelief. The filming, the editing, the script / narration is awful. The "grandstanding" is gross and encouraged. Misfits are singled out and given "starring"roles. Can the RAF really only "supply" 4 fixed wing aircraft? Personally, I cannot believe that a Harrier pilot appointed to an operational carrier has never done a deck landing on one. Although (as I have said before) I am not the greatest fan of the RN I do believe in at least a bit of fairness and take no pleasure in seeing such a revered institution being so royally shafted. BY.
I have to agree, although to be fair the program does give a more human slant to the activities of the ships company and has a warts and all approach. Whether this is appropriate for the Navy or for that matter any of the armed services is a mute point but that’s up to the program makers and their MOD/Navy minders. I know that not all in the Navy are comfortable with this type of semi- reality TV production and in the way it presents “life” aboard ship. But the alternative is to show the navy through rose tinted lens or keep the Navy / Army and RAF well out of it. I wouldn't extend my own criticism of the program makes and the MOD of allowing the Navy to be shafted, there are worse ways of denigrating the Navy and I would conclude that the Iranian affair did much more harm to the Navy's image than any light hearted TV documentary.
Bowwave
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On another note..... and being a confirmed land lubber, I was surprised to see how tight the formation of the ships were as they made way. Is that usual?
Not UNUSUAL. They get pretty tight when done for a photo shoot. And for a RAS (obviously). But just possibly the area they were in at the time was the bottom end of the Red Sea, so they could all have been closed up a bit.
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Shops "closish" together.....for Martin....
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Some sharp ship handling
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff272/Turrets1/Principe-de-Asturias_Wasp_Forrestal.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff272/Turrets1/Fleet_5_nations.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff272/Turrets1/RefuelatSea.jpg)
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Can the RAF really only "supply" 4 fixed wing aircraft?
to answer Bryan's question;
the RAF is now down to 2 squadron as is the RN all based at RAF Cottesmore under the joint harrier force.
both forces are working with 903 Expeditionary Air Wing (http://www.raf.mod.uk/904eaw/ (http://www.raf.mod.uk/904eaw/)) this means that 1 squadron is deployed at a time
4 months in Afghanistan then 8 months home on a cycle. add to that the fact that the harriers were stopped in mid upgrades from GR7 - GR9 (no money)
this results in the GR7 requiring more ground maintenance time. I think they were lucky to get the 4 harriers
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I don't know why, but I found last nights offering a bit more watchable than most of the earlier ones. But I found myself wondering when this thing was filmed. There were numerous references to the USS "Cole". She was attacked in Aden quite a long time ago. So if the film is "x" no. of years old how does that relate to other events that occurred later? I can only assume that the film is a cobbled together bunch of episodes filmed over a number of months or even years. But that would mean that the female Eng. Officer had been aboard "for ever". Someone put me straight here! It's also a bit odd that totally new voices and tattoos are appearing. In previous programmes we had seen the ship spending quite a lot of time in hot weather without any (or much) flight activity. Now we see a lot of fish-belly-white bodies gathering on the flight deck. I think there has been a massive crew change somewhere down the line, and we as viewers are being "conned" a little. Nice to see my old ship "Fort Austin" making an appearance. But again, if a bit of machinery breaks down during a RAS ...and it happens to all ships...why on earth was the RAS sort of cancelled? Why not just switch to a Vertrep using the Lusts Merlins? Also, I have never seen a major RFA without a flight embarked during a deployment. Something not right here, methinks. BY.
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I think the USS Cole was repaired some time ago so the pictures are almost certainly recent.
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I think it's still about
http://www.cole.navy.mil/site%20pages/history.aspx
Hs93
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Some information on the RN site here...
http://admin.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.6940 (http://admin.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.6940)
Richard
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Must say, I did enjoy that series, most informative for us land lubbers!
... and that was a nice model sub too for the exterior shots! ;D
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Yeuch.What's the point of an aircraft carrier without "proper" aircraft? What's the point of an anti-submarine execise when the "seekers" have to be given a blatant clue? Sorry people, but that series did nothing to enhance the profile of the RN (to me, anyway).
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Thought it was an interesting series , but have to agree with BY that surely the purpose of an exercise is that in this case the sub's job is to get to the aircraft carrier without being detected and not helping the Enemy by telling them where they were , my impression on this exercise was that the carrier would have been successfully attacked without detection.
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I found it was interesting that the submarine could not only hear the sonar buoy (looked about 24" long x 8" dia)
being dropped into the water but also could hear it "fizzing" as it descended and "pop" as went below a
certain depth. :o
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Hi all
After watching last night's final episode I was, like the rest of us, would have been mislead by what they were saying about the Submarine having to surface to give the Merlin Helicopter a chance at locating the Submarine on exercise.
However, anyone knowing anything about the tactics about what the Royal Navy use these days to sub-hunt - they would have realised this was obviously put on for the camera crews. If we think back and look at the surrounding vessels which were in support of the Illustrious in amongst them were the very sophisticated sub-hunter vessel - the Type 23s - specifically built to hunt submarines. She is fitted along with her gas turbine drive system, a diesel electric system which enables her to run very silently and she has highly sophisticated Towed Array Sonar (TAS) to locate submarines. Also, she has other devices fitted in her bow; the Merline helicopter was built to work in conjunction with this vessel where the Merlin drops its Sonar buoys in the water at a distance away from all shipping movement and the information not only is sent to the Merlin but it is also transmitted to its parent ship which is the Type 23.
The Merlin is basically the 'killer' the Type 23 is the finder analyser.
So.....that was a bit of a show last night - not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing I would say.
aye
john e
bluebird
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Thought it was a really good insight into what our forces personnel have to put up with ie some machinery old and out of date, some of it top notch, the dedication of many of the crew, the pitance that gets spent on their meals (how come prisoners get more money spent on them per meal?).
Despite all that, if I were younger, it would certainly have made me consider enlisting despite the drawbacks.
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Thought it was a really good insight into what our forces personnel have to put up with ie some machinery old and out of date, some of it top notch, the dedication of many of the crew, the pitance that gets spent on their meals (how come prisoners get more money spent on them per meal?).
Despite all that, if I were younger, it would certainly have made me consider enlisting despite the drawbacks.
Please do not worry about how much the catering allowance is. Both the RN and the RFA have a catering allowance less than that in HM Prisons. The question should be why. The service catering is more than adequate and is sometimes outstanding. Answer? Reduce the prison catering budget.
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Thought it was a really good insight into what our forces personnel have to put up with ie some machinery old and out of date, some of it top notch, the dedication of many of the crew, the pitance that gets spent on their meals (how come prisoners get more money spent on them per meal?).
Despite all that, if I were younger, it would certainly have made me consider enlisting despite the drawbacks.
Please do not worry about how much the catering allowance is. Both the RN and the RFA have a catering allowance less than that in HM Prisons. The question should be why. The service catering is more than adequate and is sometimes outstanding. Answer? Reduce the prison catering budget.
I think its bloody disgusting jack sh*t prisoner gets more spent on his \ her scoff than our lads and lasses serving the country do.