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Title: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 23, 2008, 05:06:30 pm
hello there guys

Im a little ashamed to admit that I have joined this great forum to ask you chaps of your vast knowledge :)

my names Mike 24 from Liverpool, and I am a big model making fan, particulary model railways and Gerry Anderson sci fi shows

still awake? ;D

im sorry I do appreciate great model making, but I do know very little about ships and boats.

what it is, I am constructing a replica of a weird and wacky helijet vehicle from the 1960s TV show Thunderbirds, using the original aurora, revell and hawk kit parts as the studio model did,

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-91880.png)

problem is, stuck on the side is a rectangular porthole/window frame with rivet detail, Ive been told this may be from ripmax? as a detail accessory for wooden boats
you can see it painted silver on the side of the picture above

but Ive been searching the net for ages now trying to find this out, it is approx 20mm x 35mm and I cant find it at all, and it is holding up my build

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/014-3.jpg)
does anyone recognise this part at all? I would be very greatfull for any help

and I dont mind any micky taking at all  ;D

thanks

Mike

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Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Circlip on May 24, 2008, 08:02:05 pm
Nobody wants to reply to you Mike so I will from hibernation. They were made in the late 50's early 60's by RipMax and were available in plain white or chrome plated and had two styles. The rectangular ones you show and some with a raked leading edge. You might find someone on Flebay selling rediscovered old stock.
  Regards Ian.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 24, 2008, 08:49:26 pm
thanks Ian,

thats a great help,

so I take it these where ripmax's own product?

is there a particular name or terminology I should be searching for, Im not really sure what type of boat these would have been intended for.
maybe there was a product number or something?

I can imagine that they are old hat now, and the sort of thing modellers wouldnt use nowadays as theyres lots more better and products on the market now.

problem is most of the model shops that would have stocked these have closed down now,

Ill keep searching and although this is a weird request to be starting out on, I will be sticking round and lurking and learning as I would love to build working RC submariines and boats in the future

cheers

Mike



Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: RickF on May 24, 2008, 11:20:35 pm
Mike,

Here is an advert from the sixties -  actually from Vic Smeed's 1963 "Model Maker Annual".

Hope it's some use

Rick
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: bigfella on May 25, 2008, 01:40:02 am
Hi Mike

Wellcome to the forum. I  just love Thunderbirds. I never realised that the making of the models on the show was using parts of existing kits and splicing them together. But now that you have pointed it out it seems obvious now. Could you post pics of some of your builds as I am sure the rest of the forum would love to see them. Hope you are successful in your search for the portholes. O0 O0

Regards David
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 25, 2008, 05:50:46 pm
thanks guys

Rick that looks exactly the part that im after, even better that it has the product codes, it will certainly help tracking one down.

big thank you

please excuse the ignorrance, is Vic smeed, anything to do with ripmax? certainly rings a bell and maybe why Im not having much luck searching, certainly helps with google and the like if you know what to search for,

is there any good shops that people could recommend to ask, as at least now I know what to ask for

David,Im a big Thunderbirds nut,it what got me into model making,

I tend to like all the vehicles that had minor screenroles, as most of the main vehicles where specially scratchbuilt, wheras the less important models where kit bashed from plastic kits and also toys and household items and so if you can find them it makes it easier to make a replica
 Im a member of a forum specially dedicated to making replicas, might be best if I post a couple of links to my projects rather as its easier, Ive got a few Thunderbirds replica models on the bench, although all are waiting for parts to be recognised from kits and toys etc, Ive got a couple of fire engine replicas using the actual 1960s toys, and also an explosives tractor which uses toy tracks and model railway and model car kit parts

http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5232

they also where very clever at filming model boats, heres a link to some behind the screen images where they where filming harbour scenes, members of the forum may enjoy this one moreso.

http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5288&highlight=behind+scenes

thanks

Mike


Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: djrobbo on May 25, 2008, 08:21:25 pm
Hi mike d.........now you know us old farts never throw anything away.....saw your post and thought .Hmm they look familiar , so a quick check and what do you know............i have four of those windows in white approx 20mm x 35 mm , not pristine , but unused and useable ...let me know if you are interested

               regards......bob.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 25, 2008, 08:36:27 pm
Hi Bob

yeah, definatley PM sent

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 26, 2008, 11:22:29 pm
you guys have been great and the most helpfull

I got thinking,seeing as you guys know your stuff.

could I ask you of a couple more Thunderbirds model boat accessory items from the 60s?

id imagine they where from the same supplier as the boat window, ie ripmax

firstly this searchlight, as Im also building a replica of these fire engines, I managed to track down they where based on 1960s toy amphicars from hong kong, and also lots of airfix kit bits
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/Firetruckreda.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-233860.png)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/Picture004.jpg)

and what appears to be.... what you would wind rope in on a boat?
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-15420.png)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/firetruck9.jpg)

really appreciate any advice, if you dont ask you dont get, and best to ask the experts :)

thanks

Mike







Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Reade Models on May 27, 2008, 07:12:55 am
Hi Mike

The rectangular porthole and the searchlight were both manufactured by ourselves (then trading as the Northern Model Supply Company) for Ripmax (Max Coote) in the late 1950's and 1960's.

We still manufacture the searchlight http://www.reademodels.com/page35.html  (http://www.reademodels.com/page35.html) but unfortunately the rectangular porthole is no longer available.

I hope this answers your query.

Regards,
Malcolm Reade
Reade Models

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 27, 2008, 10:38:17 am
Hi Martin

thats great news, never thought I would hear from the actual manufacturer themselves,

Bob has come to the rescue with the windows, which Im delighted with

and I will definatley have a couple of large searchlights off you, they look excellent, although just debating to have the working or non working, reason being, although they where working on the old studio models, I dont think LED's where available back then, do you know wheather you may have changed from bulbs to LED's over the years?
its a bit of a trivial question really, it doesnt bother me that much, the main thing was to get hold of the actual searchlight. but was just wondering really

out of interest, was there much more from your range at the time that isnt available now?

would be great to see maybe an old catalogue or something

heres a couple more pics I meant to upload yesterday

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-228319.png)
you can see a wire out of the back of the searchlight

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-230719b.png)
and you can see that it is lit up in this shot

thanks

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Reade Models on May 27, 2008, 05:40:47 pm
Hi Fred

(If you call me Martin, I guess it's OK to call you fred)? {-) {-)

On closer inspection, the searchlight in your photograph doesn't look like one of ours - there are some minor diffrences...but if it does the job?  (The bezel on the one in your photograph is upside down).

Our range used to include all sorts of fittings that we no longer have the moulds for - I know that my dad used to re-cycle brass moulds to make new items that would sell better than ones that didn't.  I wish he hadn't, but I guess that's business?  I know that after WW2, things were very tight financially, and even the cost of a piece of brass bar to make a mould would keep food off the table...

I do remember the rectangular porthole, mast steps, sheet horses, and particularly a ships jolly boat that was a joy to behold - but the mould was apparently "mislaid".

Our searchlights have high output white Nichia LED's and a matching resistor built in. We supply the resistor separately with the small searchlight (it won't fit in the lamp).  I'm not sure of our stock position at the moment and not able to manufacture to to major ongoing structural work to our home.

Regards,
Malcolm Reade
Reade Models





Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 27, 2008, 05:55:35 pm
thanks Malcolm, sorry, dont know why I put Martin :D

yeah it doesnt look like the chrome one, dont know why I put that picture up, but looks like the one on the fire engines, which is what Im after, I will still have 2 off you if you have them in stock.

the only last thing Im wondering about is the black windless on the rear of one of the fire engines, at least thats what it appears to be?

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Reade Models on May 27, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
Hi Mike

You'd be surprised how many people do call me Martin - Graham is another favourite...I generally answer to pretty much anything... ::)

Send me a PM and I'll get back to you late tomorrow with our stock position on searchlights - I'm sure we can do something to help you out?

The windlass (winch) on the back of the fire engine isn't like anything I've seen previously, but shouldn't be too difficult for you to make one?

Regards, Malcolm

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 27, 2008, 06:35:40 pm
thanks Malcolm

PM sent

and if people dont think that the windlass winch is a model boat accessory, thats ok, as all it tells me is to look somewhere else, I think it may be a model kit crane part actually, but if not, will make it from scratch

a lot of people like to make studio replicas of the Thunderbirds vehicles, Ill mention your site on the www.eagletransporter.com/forum might put a bit of business your way hopefully

for example I know lots of people have made replica firefly models, and have wondered over the ships hooter on the roof, looks to me as if that was one of yours

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/firefly.png)

thanks

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: bigfella on May 28, 2008, 08:58:29 am
Hi Mike

I have taken a look at the links you provided and the site is great. When you mentioned that almost anything was used to make these fantastic models on Thunderbirds it was sort of like a light had just gone on. I can recall that when watching scenes of T1 (I think) in its hanger there was what looked like a citrus juicer on the wall and several times when there was a scene where someone was using a desk microphone it looked like the mic was a Din Plug used for audio connections. Next time I put the DVDs I have of Thunderbirds on I will be looking for familiar looking objects.

Regards David
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 28, 2008, 12:34:36 pm
yeah thats right its a lemon squeezer thing and either side of that is 2 toy periscopes from Marx  :)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 28, 2008, 03:31:39 pm
heres a pic :)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/tb1bay.jpg)

loads of airfix girder bridge bits in there too  :)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: djrobbo on May 28, 2008, 04:29:01 pm
Hi mike.........launch windows in the post..........the twin horns on top of firefly........well i've got two of those aswell.........cant have them though as they are on my springer tug ..fubar......if you look at the piccies stavros put on for me you can just make them out either side of the wheelhouse.


                      regards.....bob.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 28, 2008, 04:33:42 pm
thanks Bob

no worries about the firefly horns as its not really on my lists of things I want to build, but good to know where they are from for future reference

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Guy Bagley on May 28, 2008, 05:04:40 pm
aaah thunderbirds and anderson productions, great weren't they


i was luck enough to restore and refurbish some of the 'zeros' from terrahawks and work with sylvia anderson....

and i now work only about 4 miles away from where the andersons filmed most of thier shows...and my son loves the films, - i guess we all recognise model bits in the different productions - it keeps you on your toes !
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 28, 2008, 07:29:19 pm
yeah definatley,

the studio building is still there I believe, on the slough industrial estate

only just caught up with Terrahawks, I must have just missed it when it was on first time, it is weird, but I reckon I would have liked it as a kid, like it now actually

I got into Thunderbirds when it was repeated in the early 90s, I was 8, my dad made me watch it,remember him always banging on when he saw something obvious like a household item disguised :)

I always wanted to know how big or small the models where, and the only way to find out was if they where next to something you could recognise, so you could get an idea of scale, I always thought they where a lot bigger than they actually where

theres only one major thing I want to find now, its the large toy ladder from what Id guess is a toy fire engine from the 60s,Ive searched for hundreds of toy fire engines and havent found it yet, once I find that, I can build my replica fire engines :)
large metal ladder, approx 20 inches long with a rack arangement so you can raise and lower it, probably an american toy as they where always bigger than the british stuff.
anyone know any vintage toy fire engine experts?  :)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/vlcsnap-358598.png)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/fireengine.png)
can anyone fill in the question marks? its took a long time just to find out all this

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/boxes.jpg)

and also these plastic boxes (I know theyre plastic as one melts in a fire scene {-) ) approx 4 inches x2 inches, the closest suggestion so far is 6v lantern battery cases, note the distinctive pattern on the side, and also the lid, other suggestions where drill bit boxes, but I got hold of a load of them and I dont think its one of them

cheers

Mike

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: bigfella on May 28, 2008, 10:55:26 pm
Mike

Thats the juicer thing. I never recognised the periscopes until you pointed them out. One other thing that I have noticed is some of the sounds they used for rockets and jets must have been made with an amalgam of other sounds including household appliances. I can hear a Hoover or hairdryer sound when T2 is slowly coming into position to land. Wow they were clever, it all seemed so real as a kid and even as an adult {-) {-). Now I have been thinking about your Fire engine ladder and just a suggestion, could part of it be a bridge for a mini scale train???

Regards David
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 09:02:47 am
I only just found out about the periscope myself, then I showed my dad, who said he had one! :)
I did think about the ladder being something else, maybe a bridge as you say, size wise would be perfect for 00 gauge but when I saw some toy fire engines, and real fire engines, it looked just like one, also the pattern of the girders makes me think it wouldnt be a bridge, its not symetrical.

terminlogy Ive found so far to help search is merryweather, turntable ladder or arial ladder, I know this is a 1980s fire ladder, but only the cab will have changed

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/1980s_turntable_ladder_bw.jpg)

Mike

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame (first post)
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 01:59:15 pm
Big thanks to Bob,the windows arrived today, I can now finish my helijet off, as I can cut away, and fit them in before I move onto the next stages
 it was a big relief to finally work out and then get hold of some, really greatfull for everyones help  O0

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/003-1.jpg)
this is the one Ill be doing, they used the same model several times, but repainted it, it was originally yellow as in the first picture I posted, reason for doing this red one as it will go alongside a tractorcat  Im building from the same episode

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/vlcsnap-232513.png)


Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 29, 2008, 03:15:44 pm
Hi Mike,

As youknow EVERYTHING Thunderbirds... and actually done it! Do you have any information
regarding the ship Ocean Pioneer featured in episodes 19 "Danger at Ocean Deep?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok65WXVavUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok65WXVavUA)

I'll probably never get round to building a model of her but it would look good on the water....  O0





Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 03:24:41 pm
I havent actually built anything yet, only research :)

yeah, one thing I remember my dad banging on about when I was a kid, that a fully laden ship wouldnt be that far out the water  :)

actually, there where 2 scales built. the main large one which I think was destroyed in filming as it blew up,

but..... there was a smaller scale one for distance shots, which actually still survives in the collection of Phil Rae I believe an avid Anderson collector, there is very little that still survive from Thunderbirds, as most things where either blown up, savaged and changed into other things for other programmes and episodes, or more than likely, thrown in a skip when the studio closed in 69 :( it was also used in a background scene in Captain scarlet, will get some pics up tonight when Im back home

its a great looking ship, as you say would look great as an working RC model, I could try and find out if theyres drawings to help build her, fittings on it are more than likely from Ripmax, ie malcoms, reade models. the music as its sailing along from Stingray is great I think too.

theres also a shot of it being filmed in Derek Meddings book, will get a scan of that also

Mike


Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: tigertiger on May 29, 2008, 03:40:12 pm
Ref the Ladder.

Did this melt in the scene? If not it may be die cast.

How big is it? approx. This may give a scale that could help track it down. e.g. if it is 1:50 it isn't airfix. This may be tricky, but if yu know the size fo adjacent pieces and you can get a view of the width of the ladder (then ask a fireman how wide a ladder is/was), you can guestimate it.

I remeber that Dinky did a Dennis fire truck in the 60s, but fire tucks and turntable ladders were very popular toys in the 60s and 70s. Many of these toys were not scale so the symetrical trellis is not an issue. But if it is to scale, you are in with a chance of finding that scale (see above).
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 04:01:19 pm
nope it never melted and was used in quite a few close fire scenes, although the box thing on top did melt which made me think the ladder was metal, maybe diecast, tinplate, or it looks aluminum to me?, think it could be either a japanese toy or american?

no idea of scale, although model cars used in the same scenes as it was 1/25. Ive estimated the ladder, when down was about 20 inches long

if you compare the box on the top of the ladder in these 2 shots,you can see how the box has melted  :)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/vlcsnap-356676.png)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/vlcsnap-358434.png)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 05:55:58 pm
here is a link to a great site, with all the model boats in from Thunderbirds, and what they where made of

http://www.supermarionation.tv/sfx/tbirds/models6.html

my favourite is the hydrofoil rescue boat O0

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 29, 2008, 06:23:06 pm
Re: Ocean Pioneer

Does Phil Rae have a website?
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 06:47:32 pm
Im not to sure to be honest Martin

although I have seen pics of his collection a few times on the supermationation.tv site and also eagletransporter.co.uk/forum

will find the links

 :)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 29, 2008, 11:06:58 pm
heres some screengrabs from Captain Scarlet with Ocean Pioneer in the background as a model ship at a ship launch, think this will be the small scale model, as the puppets in Captain Scarlet where a lot smaller than the Thunderbirds ones
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-56885.png)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-57131.png)

and a behind the scenes picture, filming Ocean Pioneer launch,only the side that is being filmed has been painted,  and also a model maker working on Lady Penelopes yacht Fab2
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/oceanpioneerfab11.jpg)


Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: djrobbo on May 29, 2008, 11:25:46 pm
Hi mike...glad the ports arrived o.k.............glaqd to be of help.

          regards...bob.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 30, 2008, 12:14:05 am
thanks again Bob O0 really saved the day there :)

with regard the Ocean Pioneer, apologise, it does still survive, the small model, but not in the Phil Rae collection, its known that it is owned by a collector in Canada, dont know anything more than that Im afraid, although there is pics of it at conventions over the years, heres one in 1979

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/lamdelz/ModelDisplay79.jpg)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 30, 2008, 02:36:25 pm
I have a feeling, that this... could be the toy fire engine, converted to a truck once theyd pinched the ladder from it, as they never seemed to let anything go to waste.

anyone recognise what this is, recognise the cab?
its got the look of a toy to me, especially the wheels

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap-132967.png)


cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on May 31, 2008, 10:20:02 am
Ive done a quick cut and shut, to see if it looks like a fire engine, anyone recognise it?
all suggestions welcome

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-132967.png)

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 05, 2008, 12:51:41 pm

Sorry, a bit off topic but I've found a giant working model of Thunderbird 4 on YouTube!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuBPX4BtLoA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuBPX4BtLoA)
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on June 19, 2008, 07:44:22 pm
excellent, would love one in the future,

the old window has been temporarily fitted to the helijet model, just like the studio model had, really happy, thanks again guys, when theres more progress Ill update,

all this great info has also helped other people who like to build replicas of "The Mole" find the correct circular porthole theyve been searching for for ages, luckily theyre still available from Reade models

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/002-1.jpg)


cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 19, 2008, 11:08:47 pm
What was 'the Mole' based on?
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on June 19, 2008, 11:38:24 pm
think the best way to answer that Martin is to look here

http://www.martinbowersmodelworld.com/html/the_mole.html

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on June 23, 2008, 12:58:05 am
I thought you guys may be interested to see some screengrabs of the model ships and vessels from Stingray where theyve used reade models (ripmax) boat window fittings on them...

 (http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-114691.png)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-180193.png)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-118453.png)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-122327.png)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-176448.png)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk50/mikedela/vlcsnap-290768.png)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 23, 2008, 01:34:06 pm
Hi Mike D
Just as a little more info (which may or may not help) I was working as one of the model makers on Alien (the first) which we shot at Bray Studios next to Anderson / Burr studio, which at the time were making "Terrorhawks", now back to the story. We used to use lots (and I do mean lots) of plastic kits, mainly tank parts as they have great little / large odd looking bits, when not connected to make a tank. I gather that that is how Gerry Anderson worked, along with anything that was lying around the studios, if a knob looks like a tooth paste tube cap, then it was a tooth paste tube cap. So chances are when you are making your models you may have to look no further than the contents of your abode.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 13, 2010, 03:22:45 pm
Hi Guys

I said I would come back to let you know how I got on

the helijet that uses the the ripmax window isnt quite finished just yet, just need to find one bit for it and itll be in primer soon.

the fire engines I have nearly finished over the last few months, I managed to find the 1960s spice canisters and the toy fire engine ladder!


(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/firetenders.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/firestationlights.jpg)


Im now moving onto this hydrofoil boat, I think it has ripmax fittings, I think the white handrails may be old ripmax? does anyone have a scan of an old ripmax catalogue pleas?
it was based on a toy by victory.http://madmalc.screaming.net/1960.htm
I could do with some advice on how to construct hydrofoils for it, the original was pulled along by a trolley underneath and so didnt have any hydrofoils but Ill need to make them...
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/vlcsnap-379480.png)

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: tigertiger on July 13, 2010, 04:21:22 pm
Cool nostalgia trip :-)) :-))
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: jonny shoreboy on July 13, 2010, 08:13:28 pm
WOW! I can't believe I missed this thread! I loved Thunderbirds/Captain Scarlet/UFO/Space 1999 and the Terrahawks.

I'm sorry to report that all that stuff was actually real and when I was younger and the teacher was asking the other children what they wanted to be when they grew up (Doctor,Cowboy,Tiger etc) I reported that I wanted to be the thunderbird pilot for thunderbird 3 (because it kind of looked like the Liberator aka Blake's 7)..

As for the models, I really liked the Concorde/Firefly? superjet thing that had to land on the little flat trucks... that was cool... Perhaps I could make one out of a Concorde model..
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Guy Bagley on July 13, 2010, 11:16:51 pm
Hi Mike D
Just as a little more info (which may or may not help) I was working as one of the model makers on Alien (the first) which we shot at Bray Studios next to Anderson / Burr studio, which at the time were making "Terrorhawks", now back to the story. We used to use lots (and I do mean lots) of plastic kits, mainly tank parts as they have great little / large odd looking bits, when not connected to make a tank. I gather that that is how Gerry Anderson worked, along with anything that was lying around the studios, if a knob looks like a tooth paste tube cap, then it was a tooth paste tube cap. So chances are when you are making your models you may have to look no further than the contents of your abode.

 oh yes i can vouch for that, i refurbished some of the terrahawk models about 20 years ago when i worked for a modelmakers near oxford.... !!!!- and there was all sorts of bits n bobs in there, the sort of bits you find in a kitchen drawer !!!= best bit was returning fully refurbished 'zeros' back to sylvia anderson personally !
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 14, 2010, 01:22:44 am
thanks fellas

just realised its 2 years since I posted this asking for help.

the model making side didnt take that long it was just collecting all the bits together that took an age

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 14, 2010, 11:32:56 am
heres the boat that will become the hydrofoil rescue boat...

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/boat.jpg)

the battery case top,looks like it was stuck on the rear, the life ring on top is from the red amphicar toy which became the fire engine.
and Im pretty sure they used parts from a helicopter kit that they used plenty of for the front hydrofoil struts(is that the correct term?)

apart from that it looks like it had ripmax air vents on the rear, and also white 3 railed railings, which may either be ripmax or could be model railway fencing?

cheers

Mike

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: lifeboatpaul on July 14, 2010, 11:48:16 am
Hi Mike,

I was discussing this thread just the other day with Delboy-1958 , I was brought up on thunderbirds -sunday lunch was even delayed so me and my Dad could watch it while I always asked "could happen in real life"   anyway do you display any of your models at shows as I would love to see them one day

P/S thunderbird 2 always did it for me ! :-))

Paul.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 14, 2010, 11:51:53 am
hiya Paul.

yeah they will be at a convention in October http://www.fanderson.org.uk/news/fanderson_convention_2010_announced.html

my first ever one.

my  fire engines, my other models along with other peoples vehicles original and replicas from the shows, along with puppets and actors etc.

and hopefully this hydrofoil boat if I get it finished :) should be finished in time, not much to do, Im just not sure on how hydrofoils should look under the water line.

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 14, 2010, 02:23:14 pm
Im hoping someone has some of this old ripmax railings, the 3 railed railing which I think is the larger p80 one, although Im not sure, but I have seen them use 2 railed railings in places which I think is the smaller one.

its a white plastic, its not available now as far as I know, but you guys are the experts who should know more :) .

Im not sure how long the lengths they came in, but Id need quite a bit, Im aware that posts are available now, but not 3 rail and Id like the original style as thats what they used, they wouldnt have had time to thread wire between posts. they just stuck the moulded rails on to the models.


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/ripmaxrails.jpg)

can anyone help please?

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 14, 2010, 05:46:56 pm
I may even try to make the boat radio controlled one day with hydrofoils :)

 but thatd be a while yet, for now just trying to make it look like the one in the show.

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 15, 2010, 02:00:45 am
Ive managed to get hold of better HD blu ray screengrabs, and with the help of a scan of a 1966 vic smead ad from Rick I think we can identity most of the bits, although Im still stuck on a few such as the ariel gubbins.

Im pretty sure I can get most of the bits I need from Reade models, just need to find the handrails and ends, and anything else anyone can spot....

link to larger pic... http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/boatitems3.jpg

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/boatitems.jpg)

thanks
Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 15, 2010, 02:36:45 am
better close up of the front

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/boatfront.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 15, 2010, 03:40:29 am
Im thinking after looking at the front view, that the white ariels may be the ripmax jackstaffs?

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 16, 2010, 06:26:27 pm
aswel as the original style handrails, if anyone has a couple of these chrome horns they have and want to sell, please get in touch


(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/chromehorn.jpg)

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 24, 2010, 02:41:39 pm
heres a shot of the boat being filmed back in 1965.


still trying to locate some old ripmax handrails for it, no luck so far :(



(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/tank.jpg)

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 27, 2010, 09:23:04 pm
If anyone does have any of these old ripmax parts, including the launch window which I asked for originally please get in touch.

I sound like Im after them for free, but theyre is cash waiting, so get looking in those spares boxes chaps :)

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: gondolier88 on July 28, 2010, 06:35:49 pm
Hi Mike,

Reading through this very interesting thread, you mentioned on an earlier occasion that you wondered what the ladder on the fire engine was made out of;

I'm no expert on Thunderbird models at all, but it looks like an early diecast Hornby/Lima/Flieschman etc Girder Bridge, maybe N Gauge.

Greg
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 28, 2010, 06:39:57 pm
hi Greg

I did manage to find that, it was from a large toy fire engine


Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Big Ada on July 29, 2010, 04:34:30 pm
In the Ad on TV,....Should have gone to Specsavers Virgil,      FAB,    what does FAB stand for ?.
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 29, 2010, 06:00:35 pm
probably the most asked question, loads of fans have tried to make it stand for something

but Gerry the creator said it was just the word "fab" as it was a cool word at the time in the 60s, fab lollies etc

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: hollowhornbear on July 29, 2010, 07:19:15 pm
and Specsavers should have gone to specsavers, cos it's Scott in virgil's suit. or am i the only one to notice this, does this make me a geek? %%
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on July 30, 2010, 05:28:08 pm
Ive managed to get hold of a pic of an old ripmax display, in the hope it can jog peoples memories

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4865/ripmaxfittings1.jpg)
[IMG]

cheers

Mike (http://img834.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ripmaxfittings.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: essex2visuvesi on July 30, 2010, 06:24:15 pm
Love the searchlights in the middle, does anyone make anything like that now?
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 30, 2010, 06:29:51 pm
probably the most asked question, loads of fans have tried to make it stand for something

but Gerry the creator said it was just the word "fab" as it was a cool word at the time in the 60s, fab lollies etc

Mike

F.A.B.  short for ........ FABULOUS!

 but I made up Fantastic and Brilliant ... when I was younger
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on July 30, 2010, 08:01:27 pm
Love the searchlights in the middle, does anyone make anything like that now?

Cornwall model boats do them.  I've used them on my Severn. They are around £5 to £8

regards

Ken


Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: SteamboatPhil on July 31, 2010, 10:47:49 pm
Reade models do them as well  (see earlier posts) cos they did lot of the original parts   :-)) :-))
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on August 02, 2010, 10:26:40 pm
the old style ripmax handrails are proving harder than I thought to track down

If I dont find some soon, Ill use modern brass ones, however does anyone know the size/dimensions of the 2 original styles, so I can match up modern brass ones.

and also, if we find that out, would you guys be able to tell me who does the closest modern ones

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on September 03, 2010, 08:56:03 am
just a bump in case anyone may have some of the old ripmax handrails.

still on the lookout for some

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on October 26, 2010, 02:25:45 am
Hi Guys

the helijet with the ripmax rectangular window is coming along nicely

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/IMGP3075.jpg)

as is the hydrofoil boat, just need to find some old ripmax railings for it. I did manage to get some ends..

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/IMGP3130.jpg)

got quite a collection of studio replicas of vehicles from Thunderbirds building up now :)

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/IMGP3216.jpg)

cheers

Mike

Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 26, 2010, 07:10:23 am
Thunderbirds Are Go was on telly during the night...made in 1966, Still Brilliant!    :-))
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Guy Bagley on October 26, 2010, 12:19:24 pm
just a bump in case anyone may have some of the old ripmax handrails.

still on the lookout for some

cheers

Mike

 i am sure i have seen these recently whilst trawling through e bay for  'model boat fittings'
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on November 07, 2010, 11:56:01 pm
Hi Guys

I think you guys may like these pics and frame grabs as its all boats :) in one of the episodes,that is set in a Monte carlo style harbour, there where some model boats I was wondering the origins of. kit or toy.

I came across this archive photo, and got searching for the boats on it as Im sure Id recognised them before, the one on the left.


turned out it was a Triang Scalex boat. they had at least 3 of them in the show, one painted blue with "SHARK FISH" written on in letraset, 1 standard brown and white, these 2 didnt make any sort of real appearance just background models.

but one played a big part in the episode as it was used by a villain in quite a bit of the episode, it had a new body with ripmax handrails and windows on it, Im going to convert my one like this, so need even more of those old ripmax handrails now :) will go nice alongside the hydrofoil boat that Im building already as theyre both from the same episode.

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/mi5workshop.jpg)

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/boat-1.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_0154_20101107_025247-1.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_0040_20101107_025131.jpg)

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_0046_20101107_025204.jpg)


(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/brianjohncockboat.jpg)


(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00012m2ts_snapshot_4515_20101107_031437.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_1727_20101107_153328.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_1735_20101107_153349.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_1744_20101107_153414.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_1810_20101107_153458.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00006m2ts_snapshot_3112_20101107_154820.jpg)

and from the behind the scenes documentary.

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00012m2ts_snapshot_4519_20101107_031352.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00012m2ts_snapshot_4715_20101107_031747.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00012m2ts_snapshot_4724_20101107_031840.jpg)
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/00012m2ts_snapshot_4848_20101107_032107.jpg)
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on November 16, 2010, 01:06:27 am
Hi guys

Im on the lookout for a Ripmax hatch cover p130

and also oval window p120.

if you have any of these bits and the white handrails in your spares box, and dont mind selling me them,

 please get in touch, cash waiting

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: help identifying porthole/window frame - Thunderbirds
Post by: Mike D on November 23, 2010, 12:44:38 pm
Hi guys

Ive finally managed to track down some of the old small ripmax plastic handrails...

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab227/sabredelamar/IMGP3358.jpg)

Mike