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Masterclasses => 1915 steam drifter build => Topic started by: gary r uk on November 15, 2006, 09:57:12 am

Title: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: gary r uk on November 15, 2006, 09:57:12 am
Hi Ian
Yes please fella my mate is currently build a drifter.
these things are like RN corvettes one hull and so many variations.
cheers
gary rowe
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: RickF on November 15, 2006, 11:59:22 am
And me -  always interested in seeing how other builders tackle the inevitable problems.

Rick
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: gary r uk on November 15, 2006, 02:16:05 pm
Boatmadman
Were you a virgin before the drifter,i think your very brave as there are a lot of different skills to master in plank on frame.What with constant temperature at this stage in construction and tools to but as well as steam.
looking very good
cheers
gary rowe
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on November 15, 2006, 03:35:18 pm
Hi,
Gary, no not a p on f virgin! Have done 4 before, but even so, I think this is turning out to be the most difficult.
Temperature? my garage is constantly cold!

This is my first go at steam though!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: RickF on November 15, 2006, 08:24:36 pm
Ian,

The ST engine look interesting. Hand tool assembly? Degree of difficulty? Cost?

Rick

Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on November 15, 2006, 10:16:22 pm
Rick,
You can buy them as a kit to assemble I think, but I bought it as a set of castings and machined them. The casting set was 63 I think, but to be honest, by the time I bought all the tools I needed it was prob about 150.
I already had a small lathe etc. The machining was a little challenging, working out how to set up. It involved a little lateral thinking. For one operation I held the workpeice in the lathe chuck, and mounted a dremel flexi shaft in the cross slide clamp and used it as a mill. It worked!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: andywright on December 11, 2006, 07:56:14 pm
Nice hull, personally I hate building hullls, maybe I'm to impatient. I usually build from a grp hull, but i have to complement you on yours its really nice. The last hull I built took me 10 years on and off. It was a model of a Trawler/ longliner I used to own. She was built to 1/24 scale which gave model length of 24 inches.

Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on December 12, 2006, 09:10:56 am
Hi all,

I use filehigh for pics, seems ok.

Ian

http://www.filehigh.com/
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on December 12, 2006, 08:47:27 pm
I would like to acknowledge the information I am receiving without which this build would probably be impossible as there are no plans for this vessel.

My thanks to Glenn Mcintosh, who has a really good informative website at

http://glennmci.brinkster.net/mcibb/mcibb.html

I would also like to acknowledge the Buckie heritage museum in Buckie, (Scotland for you non brits), for supplying the one and only photo I have of BCK 209 Jeannie Mcintosh.

http://www.buckieheritage.org/

Ian

Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on December 15, 2006, 09:26:52 pm
Can anyone suggest materials to use to represent steel on a superstructure? Would plasticard look ok? And what is the best way to prep and finish?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Bunkerbarge on December 16, 2006, 01:35:54 am
Ian,  I really think that a steel structure can be represented by a number of materials as it is all in the paint finish to bring it to life.

I have added a couple of shots of my Ben Ain model which uses ply for bulkheads.  The wheelhouse though uses white metal curved corners and  deck supports but, hopefully, you cannot tell the difference in materials when painted up.  At the end of the day after a good filler-primer and two or three coats of enamel rubbed down at some point in the process you should achieve a smooth enough finish to represent steel.  I added panel lines and rivets to mine to give it some credible surface detail.  The aft housing and hull are fibre glass but, given the same paint treatment, I am hoping that they will both look equally steel like.

Plasticard is possibly a bit easier to work and not susceptable to water but getting the paint to stick to it is a little bit more difficult but when finished you wouldn't be able to tell the differrence between wood or plastic.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on December 16, 2006, 03:32:42 am
Hey bunker

you got more 'G' clamps than I got clothes pegs 8) ;D
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on December 16, 2006, 06:21:49 am
Bunker,

That looks v good to me, where did you get the white metal curves from, or did you cast them yourself?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Bunkerbarge on December 16, 2006, 11:22:01 am
Bunker,

That looks v good to me, where did you get the white metal curves from, or did you cast them yourself?

Ian

The corners were included in the Mountfleet kit.  The trick is trying to stick them to the ply bulkheads with a bit of support which cannot be seen from the outside.  They do make a much neater job though than carving your own from stock which is how the corners were made on the forward bulkheads.  As you cannot see the insides there that works fine though but the wheelhouse would look a bit clumsy if it was built in the same way.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on December 20, 2006, 10:42:17 pm
Think it will be wood and perseverence then!

Nothing done for a few days, SWMBO pushed a 1:1 roller and bucket of emulsion in my sweaties and said go forth and paint before xmas.

Done now, so maybe a bit more between xmas and new year, help rid xmas hangover and prep for new year session!

so, a Merry Xmas and a happy New Year to all my readers!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: timg on February 03, 2007, 09:49:04 pm
looking good, nice piece of wood work and nice DOG!!
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on February 22, 2007, 07:15:24 am
Superb 8)
This thread has been of great inspiration to a newbie, I now want to buiid a hull of my own.

BTW
How did you do the graphics?
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on February 22, 2007, 09:16:00 am
Hi,

Go for it! Any questions just ask away, pleased to help.

I bought the graphics from signature graphics, they advertise on the directory on this website, good stuff, good service.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: billj on March 01, 2007, 09:03:49 pm
this is one fantastic build project, well done!, please keep the pictures coming, what part is leaking on the stuart engine?

billj
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: catengineman on March 20, 2007, 01:56:36 pm
Hi,                      WOW              nice build

Richard,
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on March 20, 2007, 02:02:36 pm
Looking great 8)
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 09, 2007, 03:38:19 pm
I've looked out a few photo's from the trawlerphotos site of real steam drifters of this style to try and help with the detail work if you need it.

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1931/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/903/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/550/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/548/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/645/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2791/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2820/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/4215/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3119/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/3019/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2280/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1961/cat/516
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1944/cat/516

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 09, 2007, 06:38:47 pm
Thanks for that Davie, I have already found your site and 'trawled' through the pics.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on April 09, 2007, 08:26:33 pm
billj ... what engine is that by your name and any pictures you could put in the steam section. Peter
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 21, 2007, 08:29:46 pm
Very very nice well done so far  ;D
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on April 22, 2007, 02:22:02 am
I always enjoy your posts.

Enough pictures, with enough detail to be really informative.

Big thanks
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Tug Man on April 22, 2007, 03:42:20 pm
I really enjoy reading of your progress. The pictures are very helpful. Thanks for sharing them all.

Don
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 22, 2007, 06:28:54 pm
Looks fantastic Ian!  :)

I am really enjoying following this build.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 22, 2007, 06:35:12 pm
Thanks for the comments fellas.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on April 25, 2007, 07:16:45 pm
Looking really good. Had me worried initially, thought you had diversified into the umbrella stand business. ???
But it all came clear in the end.
Great build.

Richard ;)
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 26, 2007, 03:53:32 pm
Hi all,

Your thoughts please, I am on with the superstructure at the moment, from the pics you can see I have dry fitted dividing beams to get the panel effect. I have been told from a reliable source that the superstructure would have been wooden.

Thing is, I have no plans for this, and v little information, those of you who may know more than me, (all of you!) do you think this is someting like it may have been?
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 26, 2007, 08:31:46 pm
I've dug thru the site I go on so here goes.

(http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/data/522/Zephyr_BF301.jpg)
Motor drifter but the wheelhouse is the same style
(http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/data/522/medium/Silver_Crest_FR123_s.jpg)
again a motor drifter originally before being modified for trawling but in colour
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Image0006.jpg)
same boat as above as a drifter
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/XmasStar_1960s.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Radiant_Star_LK71_s.jpg)
^^painting by Jim Pottinger which is spot on for colours/etc

Hope that helps

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 26, 2007, 08:38:28 pm
Thats great Davie, thanks. Any suggestions as to how to acheive that golden colour?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 26, 2007, 08:58:38 pm
They still paint the steel wheelhouses to look like that Ian its a medium Yellow base coat and a medium brown grain effect

(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/medium/sunlightrayBF101-8april2007.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/silverfernFR416-13april2007.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/headwayBF856-5april2007.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/last_trip_030.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/last_trip_035.jpg)

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 26, 2007, 09:34:55 pm
Thats a great help Davie, much appreciated.

I have done a little research on the Jeannie McIntosh and it turns out she was involved in the evacuation of Dunkirk.

All the information available to date can be seen at :

http://glennmci.brinkster.net/mcibb/jmc.html (http://glennmci.brinkster.net/mcibb/jmc.html)


Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 26, 2007, 10:14:50 pm
According to my books her war registration was FY1635 , 88gt , built 1915 , requisitioned 1940 as a Minesweeper/Auxiluary Patrol and returned in February 1946 ( probably when she was sold for scrap ).

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on April 28, 2007, 08:08:53 pm
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/jeanniemcIntoshBCK209-small.jpg)

Didn't know if you had a full size scan of this photo or not.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on April 28, 2007, 10:03:32 pm
Hi Davie,

Yes I have a copy of that pic, I got it from the Buckie heritage museum last year.

Thanks anyway

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on May 02, 2007, 06:10:58 pm
A question for Davie,

I am starting to think about the mast on the wheelhouse roof, but I have no idea what lighting should be on it, how big it is etc etc etc. The photo doesnt give anything away. I cant see if where the nav lights would be either.

I guess she would have had a running light slung from the forward mast?

Do you have any suggestions please?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 02, 2007, 08:22:26 pm
Some had fixed lamps some had detachable ones and some didn't have a light on the forward mast at all from what I can see !!

If fitted it would be similar to these lamps but with a clear lens as it was a white light only on the forward mast
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/mastheadlights.jpg)

some also had lamps for lighting up the deck fitted but again not all and they would have been similar to these
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/decklights.jpg)

this motor drifter shows a small all round white lamp on the mast
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Whitehill_PD_302_Lerwick_.jpg)

The port and starboard navigation lamps would be on the aft side of the accomodation area , this photo is of the Philorth FR211 , built in 1907 for my Great Great Grandfather and is a pretty standard steam drifter. She has the all round white lamp on the foremast and her port and starboard nav lights are aft above the last man on the rights head and are large , probably 24" diameter. There would be a white running light on the bottom of the aft mast ( a 180' lamp ) and you can see the style and size of the deck lights on the wheelhouse

(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/philorthFR211-1920s-small.jpg)

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on May 02, 2007, 08:51:14 pm
Davie,

Thats fantastic, thanks for your help.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 03, 2007, 12:22:14 am
Not a problem Ian just glad to be of help. Your putting a lot of work into the build to make it as accurate as possible and I like that a lot. I have seen far to many model fishing boats at shows/etc that the builders states are "as accurate as can be" but to the experienced fisherman just scream of errors lol. There have been a lot of photo's of older drifters ( both steam and motor ) uploaded recently to the trawlerphotos site in the vintage section showing deck equipment , etc.

If you need any help with how the deck is laid out just ask and i'll see what I can do.

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 03, 2007, 04:30:12 pm
Took a couple of better photo's showing the wood grain effect

(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/painting-on-wood-grain.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/wood-grain-colours.jpg)

Hope that clears up the colours and shapes

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 10, 2007, 09:34:16 pm
I'll have a good look thru my photo's and online for a typical wooden steam drifter deck layout as they were all pretty much the same ( apart from small details that any skipper would change ). I'll see if I can upload photo's of the stowed drift net ( you'll only need to similate the top bit of it and the floats ) , etc for you over the weekend.

Looking good  ;D

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on May 25, 2007, 12:21:33 am
Davie,

A question about the steering gear chain pipes (dunno the proper name).

Would they have run parallel to the deck up to the wheelhouse before going vertical then horizontal through the side of the wheelhouse? Or, would they have angled upwards as they approach the wheelhose? I have seen both on different pics.

Also, would there have been any crew accomodation/storage below deck in the bows, and if so, was the access through the deck via a sheltered companionway of some sort?

Thanks in advance

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: bobdoc on May 26, 2007, 08:49:56 am
Ian

It seems wooden and steel steam drifters were different. Some time ago, Paul McD posted the following:


"Hello to All.....! I found these some time ago and thought they might be of interest.....

Admiralty Steam Drifter (Wood)
              http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/86wd.htm
 Admiralty Steam Drifter (Steel)
                http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/ssd.htm

There are further details here: http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/cont.htm

Bobdoc
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 12:12:35 pm
I'm just back from a long weekend away to Fife. I bought a 1/24th scale steam capstan for my own drifter hull from Scoonie hobbies , they get theirs in 2 scales 1/24th and 1/32nd and they are cast in resin so are very lght and very detailed. I'll try and get a photo uploaded tonight of the model for you. I also took a photo of the original steam capstan on the Fifie sailing drifter Reaper FR958 ( museum ship at Anstruther Fisheries Museum ) for comparison.

I'll be a couple of days before I can answer your questions on the run line of the steering chains and the deck layout but I will get back to you on these.

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 03:49:45 pm
From my weekend in Fife

The sailing Fifie drifter Reaper FR958
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/reaperFR958-25may2007b.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/reaperFR958-25may2007.jpg)

and the all important steam capstan

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/steam-capstan-reaperFR958-26may2007.jpg)
and the cast Resin 1/24th scale Steam Capstan from Scoonie Hobbies in Kirkaldy
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/steamcapstan1.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/steamcapstan2.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/steamcapstan3.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/model%20boats/steamcapstan4.jpg)

hope this helps

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 08:00:53 pm
Just spoke to my father about the run of the steering chains and the NE of Scotland boats were all basically similar. The Yoke on the rudder was at deck level right in the stern covered in by a box. The chains ran inside pipes on the deck beside the accomodation right up to the front of the wheelhouse. They went into the wheelhouse base and went vertical via a pully for a few feet before running in towards the steering support under the wheelhouse floors again via a pully wheel , then vertically up to the wheel inside the wheel support column.

You can simulate this with pipes running along the deck in parallel with the casing and have your real steering below deck hidden from sight.

First 3-4 boats my father went to sea on were either converted Zulu's or early pattern motor drifters working the seine net. I was 4 months aboard the Silver Wave BF372 which was built in 1952 as a drifter complete with chain steering ( still rigged for herring in the hold , still had the chain steering and the belt driven winch and had had a steel wheelhouse fitted in 1970 when I was aboard her in 1989 !!! )
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 08:40:26 pm
I'm still hunting around for good photo's of the deck layout on the steam drifters Ian i'll put them up as soon as I can as i'll need them for my own build further down the line.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on May 29, 2007, 09:35:25 pm
Didnt know you were on with one, you should do a build thread for yours.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 09:43:43 pm
Got a bare hull and a set of plans and now a steam capstan !! thats as far as that ones got so far. I'm going to restart my building soon once this weather settles down into warmer temps ( hellish having 2 squashed disks in ya back !! ). First up will be a 1/350th KGV Battleship then a 1/24th 1970's style Norweigan built seiner ( about 8 were built for Scotland in the early to mid 1970's ).
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on May 29, 2007, 10:47:49 pm
You need to do a build thread of those!

You got any pics of your 1:1 boat?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on May 29, 2007, 10:55:10 pm
Here is a picture of my grandfathers old steam drifter ex Fraserburgh reg Hamnavoe but shows some detail that other photos dont that I posted on trawler photos hope it helps you
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/medium/image221.jpg
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 11:02:31 pm
The pipe going up to the under floor of the wheelhouse is the steering chain Ian. Will's photo explains the run line of it better than I could
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on May 29, 2007, 11:23:42 pm
Well the Silver Wave BF372 started out life as a seiner/drifter in the early 1950's
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Silver_Wave_BF372_Shetland_c_1960_s_.jpg
She was like this except for the "new" steel wheelhouse and the trawl gallows aft when I was aboard her in 1989
She was sold and had a second hand whaleback/gutting shelter/hydraulics/power block fitted and she fished for a few years before finally succumbing to the dreaded chainsaw of decommisioning
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/2/medium/Silver_Wave_BF_372_at_Mallaig_c_1992_.jpg

My families boats were the Jeremiah BF705 ( Zulu type sailing drifter ) which was my Cullen relatives boat from the 1880's till the early 1900's
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/jeremiahBF705.jpg)
We then shift sides to my Fathers side for the Philorth FR726 ( again a Zulu type sailing drifter from 1880-1906 )
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/philorthFR726-1900-small.jpg)
Then the Philorth FR211 of 1907
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/philorthFR211-1907-small.jpg)

back to my Mothers side of the family to my Grandfather Davie Jacks boats
1948-1959 Avondee A826 Strath class steam trawler
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/AvondeeA8261.jpg)
1960-1969 Forward Pride A367 - 118ft middle water side trawler
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/ForwardPrideA367_4.jpg)
then our last boat 1969-1988 David john A169 the last propper sidetrawler to fish from Scotland
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/davidjohnA1691.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/bigscotsbloke/trawlers/davidjohnA1694.jpg)

Back to thread lol
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: chromedome on May 30, 2007, 08:44:58 am
Nices ones Dave
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on June 03, 2007, 11:28:50 pm
Found some more photo's of the decks of drifters

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/All_Boat_s_etc_323.jpg

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/Dischargin--herrin_.jpg

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/medium/Havilah_BF_161.jpg

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/medium/All_Boat_s_etc_234.jpg

http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Plenty_Boats_146.jpg

More when I find them

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on June 04, 2007, 10:29:59 pm
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showgallery.php/ppuser/217/cat/500
Plenty of old drifter photos if you follow the link Davie has shown a fe already but here is the link to my gallery with bits and bobs if you go through it
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on June 04, 2007, 10:55:07 pm
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/image10.jpg
Deck layout of a drifter forward of the wheelhouse ;) with the link
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on June 04, 2007, 11:30:11 pm
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/medium/Broch--steam_drifters_c_1943_.jpg
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on June 05, 2007, 08:11:22 am
Great pics fellas, very helpful, thanks a lot.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on June 05, 2007, 03:15:26 pm
Davie,

Thinking about the graining effect on the superstructure, would there have been grained panels along the full length,? And would it have  followed around the curve onto the horizontal surfaces?

The rearmost part of the superstructure, would the grained effect carry right over the top?

Or, would the grained effect only be on vertical surfaces?

Puzzled!!!!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on June 05, 2007, 03:55:17 pm
Vertical panels only Ian the tops of the superstructure would have been painted dark brown as far as I can see
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on June 27, 2007, 10:03:14 pm
Really lovely job. Admire the graining thats, hard enough 1:1 scale.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on June 27, 2007, 10:07:09 pm
Excellent graining Ian well done.

Right for deck lights , look at my photo of the Philorth FR211 and you'll see 2 large deck lights on top of the wheelhouse , they also had 2 or 3 lamps on a wire they could attach to the mast above the deck and 2 smaller down lamps on the mast 3/4 of the way up.

The lamps on the wire should be "helmet" style ie they should have a lip around them in the middle.

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on June 27, 2007, 10:46:01 pm
Thanks Davie, a great help as usual.

Now, what lights would she display when running? port, starbd, mast head....any others?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on June 27, 2007, 11:19:27 pm
Port , Starboard , All round White on the mast head and the Stern Light , she would only have used a coloured fishing lamp when lying to her nets and when hauling them if you want i'll try and find out which colours and where they were
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on June 28, 2007, 12:02:15 am
Thanks Davie, but maybe thats going to be a little difficult to incorporate. I only use 2 channel radio, but can do the running and standing lights with that.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 05, 2007, 07:58:16 pm
How did you achieve that wood grain effect?

Also, I have been experimenting on some test pieces to work out how to get a wood grained effect - I think its acceptable, Comments anyone?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on July 05, 2007, 08:15:51 pm
You can use a switch unit for the lights with a Y lead from the rudder and set it to work on full rudder with trim and use one that latch  . I have used an electronize but the action will prob work the same. 
Peter
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on July 05, 2007, 08:16:55 pm
Ian before you go any further detailing the deck PM me your home address and i'll send you a couple of DVD's with films of the Steam Drifters and From Drift net to Purse Net which shows the boats working with all the deck details including colour film showing you have the colours spot on.

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 05, 2007, 08:38:40 pm
Hi,

Martin, I used a butchered nit comb and a  sharpened rubber to get the grained effect.

Peter, I will be using an action switcher to switch between running and standing lights using the throttle lever.

Davie, thanks, pm with info sent.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on July 05, 2007, 08:52:19 pm
sorry Ian I mis read the "can" in your post after seeing the" only use 2 channel radio"

Peter
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on July 09, 2007, 10:55:45 pm
At least you got the hoosie (wheelhouse) rebuilt and the blocks look good keep checking to se how you are getting on do you have plans for this model at all
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 09, 2007, 11:40:11 pm
wbeedie,

nope, no plans, just a photo from 1915 or so, some lines from an old book and lots of help from people who know more than me!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on July 10, 2007, 12:01:10 am
boatmadman

don't know whether you had problems getting the cord to stay on ,but I read an article some time ago in one of the mags (I think) about blocks and they used a couple of strands of copper wire wound together in a hand drill and painted for the rope around them as they where having problems with the cord staying on , But they may have been on a boat that req them being strong for sails.

Peter
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 10, 2007, 12:10:39 am
Peter,

No real problem with the cord, i just used cyno - works for me!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Bryan Young on July 10, 2007, 07:17:09 pm
Port , Starboard , All round White on the mast head and the Stern Light , she would only have used a coloured fishing lamp when lying to her nets and when hauling them if you want i'll try and find out which colours and where they were
Just a query, but by "multicoloured" do you mean the infamous "tri-coloured" mast light?
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on July 10, 2007, 08:13:43 pm
I never mentioned multi-coloured lights. All the lights were seperate lamps for each colour
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 12, 2007, 07:41:51 pm
Davie,

Looking closely at the pic you posted of the real steam capstan, there is a pipe to the rear right that appears to be connected to the capstan. Is the the steam supply/discharge? If so, does it penetrate the deck and where was the engine sited?

If it isnt, what is it?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on July 12, 2007, 08:30:27 pm
The red pipe is just the deck cleaning hose coiled around the base Ian and nothing to do with the Capstan.

The steam motor was directly below the deck supplied with steam from the boiler so no need to worry about it. There was a steam discharge pipe up through the capstan tho what you can see in some of the film on those DVD's I sent you tho.

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 16, 2007, 10:10:14 pm
And in those times when I was fed up/frustrated with jeannie, I built Skitzo!

From free plans on the net! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: dougal99 on July 19, 2007, 08:13:26 pm
Wonderful job, lovely detail. Like it a lot.

How did you make the lamp shades? - something I tried a few years ago and failed miserably.

All the best

Doug
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 19, 2007, 09:25:02 pm
Skitzo "Powered by Mayhem" Brilliant!!!  ;D
Can we have a picture of the guts please?

Am I getting senile or wasn't the wheelhouse damaged at one stage?  ???
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on July 20, 2007, 08:53:56 am
Gets better all the time Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on July 20, 2007, 10:43:00 am
Doug,
The lamp shades are from scoonie models, part of their deck light kit. I made a different top for them so the tube carrying the wires entered from the side, rather from the top as scoonie supply them.

Martin,

Pics of Skitzo guts will appear when they are all fitted!

Yes, the wheelhouse did get damaged, but I managed to repair it, which was a releif. Building a new one would have been a pain!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Willit on August 03, 2007, 10:15:04 pm
its been a while since I've visited the forum, been making tram models!  Drifter is looking great...scratch that its looking terrific!!!!! (all the exclamation marks were necessary!)

I especially like the wood grain detail on the wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on August 19, 2007, 03:23:10 am
looking marvelous. O0 Too clean though  ;D
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: OMK on August 19, 2007, 05:41:01 am
Aw, these pics are nice - especially that one where we see the 15-way D socket and all the internal gubbins.
It's similar quality to 2772e's stuff, over at http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1867.msg19669#msg19669

Top-notch work!
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 19, 2007, 08:15:00 pm
Thanks fellas.

Next question, does anyone know what size the net floats were on the origional boats?

Thanks

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on August 20, 2007, 09:43:40 pm
remember seeing old floats in my Grandas net store that were about eight inches long from some of his old drift nets O0
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on August 20, 2007, 10:26:06 pm
The floats on the net itself was 8"x4"x2" made out of Cork. The bigger white floats would be 24" diameter roughly , they varied from 18" to 30" depending on the skippers preference and how deep the net was being fished.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 20, 2007, 10:29:49 pm
Thats great, thanks guys.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: wbeedie on August 21, 2007, 09:04:00 pm
Havent a photo of the wee floats but the link is a picture of my father with a bigger float getting ready to shot away the drift
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/505/medium/Black_n_white_shottin_2.jpg
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 28, 2007, 04:20:20 pm
Once again, thanks for the help.

The small cork floats, did they have a rope attached? How many would you expect to see on a drifter? Where abouts and how would they be stacked whilst on passage to/from fishing grounds?

How many of the larger floats would I expect to see?

Thanks

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on August 28, 2007, 08:18:54 pm
The small ones were spaced about a foot - 2ft apart along the headline of the net , all along so there would have been close to a thousand in total. The larger ones were spaced every net so around 40 in total but you could have a cage on the port side of the wheelhouse for them and just model the external ones bulking up the middle. They were white and had the boats registration letters/number on them.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 28, 2007, 08:34:26 pm
Thats a sh1t load of floats!

Where would the net be stowed in passage to/from fishing grounds?

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on August 28, 2007, 09:39:23 pm
Well where the hatch is opens up and the net is in there. When filling the hold they opened up round hatch's in the deck and just let the herring drop into the hold below. The hold is seperated from the central section so the net can be stowed there.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 29, 2007, 09:55:31 pm
Davie,

Any chance you could sketch out the shape of a net so I can try to get reasonably close to the real thing?

Also, what colour would the net be?

Thanks

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on August 29, 2007, 10:26:50 pm
I can do better than that Ian i've already scanned in drawings that i'm using for an article on another website
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DavieTait on August 29, 2007, 10:30:30 pm
The nets were very dark brown almost black but not quite. The big floats were white the corks usually unpainted. I forgot that the flat corks were only on the ends of the nets with a circular cork float ( threaded onto the headline ) on the rest of the headline.

The heavy ropes would be a slightly lighter brown/black than the net ( both were "tarred" or "barked" with cutch to preserve them as the nets were heavy cotton with hemp ropes ).

Davie
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on August 29, 2007, 11:18:39 pm
Thats great Davie, once again, thanks for your help.

I think I will prob make up a few sections of net to look something like and drape them over the hatch.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on September 03, 2007, 04:05:16 pm
Looked brilliant out of the water, looks even better on it. Well done Ian.  O0
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Willit on September 03, 2007, 11:26:27 pm
I've been watching this build closely, and it looks grand.  Well done!!!
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on September 18, 2007, 07:25:45 pm
Looking really great Ian, bit clean though, or not. O0
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on September 18, 2007, 07:30:40 pm
It will weather naturally as I play with it!

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: DickyD on September 18, 2007, 07:33:27 pm
Good for you, mine weathered, nice to know its going to be used and not just admired.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on September 18, 2007, 07:37:30 pm
Oh yes, she will get used - I need to increase the voltage though, on first sea trials she struggled to turn into the wind, so I will go from 12 to 24v before next outing.

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Franklin on March 13, 2008, 11:43:19 pm
Can anyone suggest materials to use to represent steel on a superstructure? Would plasticard look ok? And what is the best way to prep and finish?

Ian

***I have used Aluminum printers plate about .012" thick on some of my models, Simply cut it to shape and glue it on with contact cement. If you like riveted detail you can roll the rivet indentations from the opposite side with a modified gear, attached with a handle. Looks very realistic when painted.

Cheers
 Franklin
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on March 14, 2008, 01:40:43 am
Can anyone suggest materials to use to represent steel on a superstructure? Would plasticard look ok? And what is the best way to prep and finish?

Ian

***I have used Aluminum printers plate about .012" thick on some of my models,

I have used drinks cans in the past. Very thin alloy and almost free.
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: tigertiger on March 14, 2008, 01:43:40 am
Boatmadman.

Jeanie looks great on the water.
You must be well happy.

TT
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: boatmadman on March 14, 2008, 10:35:44 am
Thanks TT, yes I am very pleased with it.

The link below will take you to an interesting website with lots of pics and history.

http://glennmci.brinkster.net/mcibb/mcibb.html

Ian
Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 09, 2008, 06:38:49 pm

  This is the Q & A topic for BoatMadman's 1915 Steam Drifter Masterclass build.

                            (  Link to the Driffter Build )     (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1951.0)
 
 

Title: Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
Post by: GreenSteam on February 03, 2016, 04:00:30 pm
Just spoke to my father about the run of the steering chains and the NE of Scotland boats were all basically similar. The Yoke on the rudder was at deck level right in the stern covered in by a box. The chains ran inside pipes on the deck beside the accomodation right up to the front of the wheelhouse. They went into the wheelhouse base and went vertical via a pully for a few feet before running in towards the steering support under the wheelhouse floors again via a pully wheel , then vertically up to the wheel inside the wheel support column.

You can simulate this with pipes running along the deck in parallel with the casing and have your real steering below deck hidden from sight.

First 3-4 boats my father went to sea on were either converted Zulu's or early pattern motor drifters working the seine net. I was 4 months aboard the Silver Wave BF372 which was built in 1952 as a drifter complete with chain steering ( still rigged for herring in the hold , still had the chain steering and the belt driven winch and had had a steel wheelhouse fitted in 1970 when I was aboard her in 1989 !!! )

DavieTait,

Thank you for the great information!

I'd like to get ahold of an old (scrap value?) wheelhouse, but with the original wheel, and ideally, instruments, of ANY commercial, maritime vessel, just so I could, as I say, the WHEEL HOUSE, etc...possibly for mounting on a (short) "tower."  Something that would otherwise be scrapped.

How feasible is my dream, in your opinion?

Thanks much,

Peter